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post #1 of 32
Thread Starter 
Hey guys,
What front speakers would you get from this link if your budget was $1000. Listening 60% music, 40% movies

http://app.audiogon.com/listings?page=1&no_listing_types_auctions=false&no_listing_types_classifieds=false&items_per_page=100&order_by=&location_filter_radius=100&location_filter_zip_code=94536&filter_category_id[]=16&filter_category_id[]=9&filter_category_id[]=41&min_condition=1&max_condition=11&listing_types_auctions=1&listing_types_classifieds=1

Or should I look for brand new pair?

Thx guys
Edited by emporio - 5/25/13 at 7:59am
post #2 of 32
^^^^^^^ Just going off the link only, I would think about either the Energy Veritas 1.8s or the KEF XQ5's.......both good choices.

More options if considering new, including Arx A5c and Emptek E55Ti........and then there's bookshelf speakers ( Ascend Sierra-1 with RAAL upgrade, Philharmonitors fron Dennis Murphy, among others).......
post #3 of 32
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Thx - padgman.
Not sure if both pages are included in the link.
http://app.audiogon.com/listings?page=1&no_listing_types_auctions=false&no_listing_types_classifieds=false&items_per_page=100&order_by=&location_filter_radius=100&location_filter_zip_code=94536&filter_category_id[]=16&filter_category_id[]=9&filter_category_id[]=41&min_condition=1&max_condition=11&listing_types_auctions=1&listing_types_classifieds=1

I apologize in advance for silly questions. I am a newbie.

I was not sure about energy because they are glossy.

What do you think about those B&W P6 series?

Do you think going used is bad decision, should I go with new speakers ?
post #4 of 32
Sierra-1 with RAAL upgrade is like $1650 before taxes, that's more than $1000...

Also the Sierra-1 with RAAL tweeter may be one of the most imbalanced speakers ever, it has a tweeter you might find in speakers costing $10,000 or $20,000, but the woofer clearly belongs in a lower price class and I don't think the woofer meshes well with the tweeter.

It reminds me too much of the Usher BE-718 which has a very poorly performing woofer. In almost parallel fashion, Usher decided on also upgrading the tweeter without touching the woofer.
Edited by astrallite - 5/25/13 at 11:02pm
post #5 of 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by emporio View Post

Thx - padgman.
Not sure if both pages are included in the link.
http://app.audiogon.com/listings?page=1&no_listing_types_auctions=false&no_listing_types_classifieds=false&items_per_page=100&order_by=&location_filter_radius=100&location_filter_zip_code=94536&filter_category_id[]=16&filter_category_id[]=9&filter_category_id[]=41&min_condition=1&max_condition=11&listing_types_auctions=1&listing_types_classifieds=1

I apologize in advance for silly questions. I am a newbie.

I was not sure about energy because they are glossy.

What do you think about those B&W P6 series?

Do you think going used is bad decision, should I go with new speakers ?

Buying used speakers is a great decision, particularly when you can buy local. I think the B&W P6 would be a great pick-up and , with a local buy, sure there is room for negotiation on price.
post #6 of 32
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Originally Posted by astrallite View Post

It reminds me too much of the Usher BE-718 which has a very poorly performing woofer. In almost parallel fashion, Usher decided on also upgrading the tweeter without touching the woofer.

Huh? How do you figure that woofer is poorly performing? Usher's 7" mid-bass drivers have some of the lowest measured distortion of any driver in that size class, basically equaling the performance of Scan Speak drivers that cost twice as much (both of which have better bass performance then Seas Excel).
post #7 of 32
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Originally Posted by Jay1 View Post

Huh? How do you figure that woofer is poorly performing? Usher's 7" mid-bass drivers have some of the lowest measured distortion of any driver in that size class, basically equaling the performance of Scan Speak drivers that cost twice as much (both of which have better bass performance then Seas Excel).



4% THD at 100Hz is TERRIBLE, I'm not sure what you are getting at.

Most speakers shouldn't even have 1% THD at 100Hz, like below:




Also 11.7% THD at 40Hz. Most speakers should be at 5% or less. It's just not a very good woofer at its price range.



post #8 of 32
Thread Starter 
Thx Steven,
Would you recommend B&W P6 or Kef XQ5?

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Originally Posted by stevensctt View Post

Buying used speakers is a great decision, particularly when you can buy local. I think the B&W P6 would be a great pick-up and , with a local buy, sure there is room for negotiation on price.
post #9 of 32
Well that's pretty strange. The 8945A, which is basically the same driver with a different cone has extremely good performance



Here's a $300+ Scan Speak woofer for comparison (18WU8741T)

post #10 of 32
Check out zaphaudio, they have quiet few 6-7 in woofer tested and the usher 8945 A and P score pretty good.
post #11 of 32
Wish I could make a recommendation, but I have not heard the XQ5. Since both speakers are local, try to hear both. FWIW, the MSRP for the Kefs is $3k, MSRP for the P6 is $1.8k

A very quick check of used prices suggests the P6 should be around $600, XQ5 around $750

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Originally Posted by emporio View Post

Thx Steven,
Would you recommend B&W P6 or Kef XQ5?

Edited by stevensctt - 5/27/13 at 7:27am
post #12 of 32
I used to have the XQ1 and was not that excited by it. KEF has greatly improved the uniQ driver and the super tweeter is just a band aid that defeats some of the purpose of the uniQ driver. if you don't need a great bottom end then the LS-50 used might be a good buy. I have recently purchased the Gallo Ref 3.5 and am very happy with them. The Stradas are sort of on close out for $1K a pair, you would likely need a sub with those but they throw a great soundstage and have nice detail.
post #13 of 32
Thread Starter 
Thx Steven,
Is it me or it seems B&W are holding better value (comparing to MSRP)?
Where do you check used prices?

What's your take on Dynaudio Excite X32?
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Originally Posted by stevensctt View Post

Wish I could make a recommendation, but I have not heard the XQ5. Since both speakers are local, try to hear both. FWIW, the MSRP for the Kefs is $3k, MSRP for the P6 is $1.8k

A very quick check of used prices suggests the P6 should be around $600, XQ5 around $750
post #14 of 32
Thread Starter 
Thx Simon,
Gallo speakers are waaay out my range.
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Originally Posted by simon wagstaff2 View Post

I used to have the XQ1 and was not that excited by it. KEF has greatly improved the uniQ driver and the super tweeter is just a band aid that defeats some of the purpose of the uniQ driver. if you don't need a great bottom end then the LS-50 used might be a good buy. I have recently purchased the Gallo Ref 3.5 and am very happy with them. The Stradas are sort of on close out for $1K a pair, you would likely need a sub with those but they throw a great soundstage and have nice detail.
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post #15 of 32
B&W speakers do sell well in the used market and do hold a greater percent of MSRP. They are good choice used for these reasons.

The XQ5 seems to have been sold by discount, on-line retailers at some point for $1000/pair new, driving down the value used.

I find used prices googling "KEF XQ5 For Sale"' for example.

Have not heard the Excite line from Dynaudio but I owned Focus 140 and still own Contour 1.8 MKII - both purchased used.

From my experience, the Dyns do everything well and the Excits would be worth a listen. A pair of Contour 1.8 MKII should be $1k or less used.

A pair of used Vienna Acoustic Mozart would be a worthwhile pick-up at $700

You are in a great area for shopping used speakers. Here is a good example, consider these: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ele/3829622616.html
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Originally Posted by emporio View Post

Thx Steven,
Is it me or it seems B&W are holding better value (comparing to MSRP)?
Where do you check used prices?

What's your take on Dynaudio Excite X32?

Edited by stevensctt - 5/27/13 at 9:20am
post #16 of 32
Thread Starter 
Thank you so much Steven, your input and help is greatly appreciated. I am newbie in this area. You gave me more homework that I will quiet enjoy.

Which of these speakers, that you mentioned, you prefer or recommend. My guess is contour ?

I think I should mention that I have Marantz SR6006 to juice up these speakers. That should be sufficient ?
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Originally Posted by stevensctt View Post

B&W speakers do sell well in the used market and do hold a greater percent of MSRP. They are good choice used for these reasons.

The XQ5 seems to have been sold by discount, on-line retailers at some point for $1000/pair new, driving down the value used.

I find used prices googling "KEF XQ5 For Sale"' for example.

Have not heard the Excite line from Dynaudio but I owned Focus 140 and still own Contour 1.8 MKII - both purchased used.

From my experience, the Dyns do everything well and the Excits would be worth a listen. A pair of Contour 1.8 MKII should be $1k or less used.

A pair of used Vienna Acoustic Mozart would be a worthwhile pick-up at $700

You are in a great area for shopping used speakers. Here is a good example, consider these: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ele/3829622616.html
post #17 of 32
The Contours are 4 ohm speakers and maybe OK with Marantz 6006, but I probably would not do it. By far, the deal for the Forte II would be my recommendation. The seller is open to offers and you could sell the stands and SW. The Forte II has an excellent bass on its own and really don't need a SW unless using for HT. The stands aren't really needed either. No problem recovering money spent here!

I owned Forte II about a month ago and now own Forte I. At 60/40, music/movies you may love the Fortes - 8 ohms, high sensitivity, very easy to drive with about any amp. I also own Klipsch Heresys and Cornwalls, the Fortes are the most "musical" of the group.
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Originally Posted by emporio View Post

Thank you so much Steven, your input and help is greatly appreciated. I am newbie in this area. You gave me more homework that I will quiet enjoy.

Which of these speakers, that you mentioned, you prefer or recommend. My guess is contour ?

I think I should mention that I have Marantz SR6006 to juice up these speakers. That should be sufficient ?
post #18 of 32
Thread Starter 
Steven - On that link I don't see forte II, are you looking at different link?
post #19 of 32
This link, Forte II with stands and SW, manufactured Day 177, 1993: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ele/3829622616.html

$500 would be a good offer.

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Originally Posted by emporio View Post

Steven - On that link I don't see forte II, are you looking at different link?
post #20 of 32
Thread Starter 
Thank you, those got denied by my wife smile.gif, she said they look "old" lol.

I think now are going to educational part: why did you chose those? cause Impedance? Should i try to match 8 Ohms to my Marantz output?
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Originally Posted by stevensctt View Post

This link, Forte II with stands and SW, manufactured Day 177, 1993: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ele/3829622616.html

$500 would be a good offer.
post #21 of 32
The Boston vs lines are excellent from avs classified. They use the sb mid and tweets. Some of the best drivers I've heard.
post #22 of 32
Thread Starter 
I just checked the back of SR6006 and the manual,
it says :
Speaker terminals Speaker impedance
FRONT A
6 – 8 Ω
FRONT B
FRONT A + FRONT B 8 Ω
CENTER
SURROUND 6 – 8 Ω
SURR. BACK / AMP ASSIGN

I dont think 4Ω would be good idea
post #23 of 32
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post #24 of 32
Opinion only, but I would not consider the B&W 685. I owned those too, and a departure from the B&W sound. These are basically a Best But offering, made in China.

If you are set on the XQ5 and P6, no reason not to contact sellers and inspect/hear both.

quote name="emporio" url="/t/1474250/speakers-from-audiogon#post_23361833"]So i am back to square one, but with much clearer picture. From that link its either:
B&Ws
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-b-w-bowers-wilkins-preference-series-p6-p-6-tower-speakers-in-exceptional-condit-2013-05-09-speakers-94925-corte-madera-ca

or
KEF
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-kef-xq5-2013-05-02-speakers-94708-kensington-ca

Would the B&W 685 be even worth looking at?
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-bowers-wilkins-b-w-685-like-new-with-box-2013-05-17-speakers-94107

Thx again[/quote]
post #25 of 32
Made in China is not necessarily a bad thing. I could be wrong but I think only the current 800 series is still made in England and the 805D starts at $5000. You could always have a listen at BB and see if you like the 685. Also, that poster should probably be asking more like $500 even in excellent condition.
post #26 of 32
Agreed, "Made in China" not a bad thing. I just think the new 6 series is a departure from the "B&W Sound", regardless of country of manufacture.
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Originally Posted by postrokfan View Post

Made in China is not necessarily a bad thing. I could be wrong but I think only the current 800 series is still made in England and the 805D starts at $5000. You could always have a listen at BB and see if you like the 685. Also, that poster should probably be asking more like $500 even in excellent condition.
post #27 of 32
Fair enough. wink.gif
post #28 of 32
Thread Starter 
Thx Guys, especially Steven!!

i will contact sellers to hear their speakers.

Another question: what do you guys think about Tektron Mini Lore and Lores?
http://www.tektondesign.com/oriel.html
PS i've spend lots of time reading and researching about speakers smile.gif.
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