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Poll Results: Are you glad overall that you bought the PanasonicTC-xxPS64?

Poll expired: Jun 22, 2013  
  • 88% (22)
    Yes, totally glad.
  • 0% (0)
    No, I regret it.
  • 12% (3)
    I'm ambivalent. Serious doubts.
25 Total Votes  
post #31 of 758
Thread Starter 
Input from others in AVS S60 thread below about my panel's popping starting at post 1806. Looks like rare and minor - if it stays that way - is considered a plasma TV to keep.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461177/official-panasonic-s60-series-discussion-thread/1800

I didn't know it was that common.
Edited by MountainMichael - 5/30/13 at 2:39pm
post #32 of 758
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Originally Posted by copene View Post

Anybody see a 50" in Canada yet? I want one for the bedroom. Any idea what they are going for in the States? Maybe I'll grab one in Buffalo like I did my 65"VT50.
Have you seen the S64 at all in Canada? I gave up my search a few weeks ago and was going to pick up an LCD this weekend, but if S64s are now available at Canadian Costcos I will definitely give that a shot.

I just checked online and see that they've added the S60 to the site, but not the S64!
post #33 of 758
Thread Starter 
Hubology Now,

This doesn't answer your question, however, for others: AVS member nsps posted in the S60 thread that the CostCo near him has twenty TC-50PS64's in stock. So the 50's are finally arriving!

I've asked about the location in the S60 thread.
post #34 of 758
I've had my 65ps64 for ~ 1 week now. I originally had a rear projection LCD 50" Sony Wega (KDFE50A10). I replaced it with a 70" Vizio e701i-a3 LED. I was not impressed with the Vizio LED picture quality. Even after calibration I felt like my Wega had better PQ in pretty much every facet. I took the Vizio back and replaced it with the 65ps64.

Primary viewing content has been HBO, NBA Finals, and HD movies from IPad/Itunes via AppleTV (gen2 / 720P).

I am 100% satisfied with the 65ps64. It blows away the Vizio e701i-a3 in pretty much every facet (except power consumption). Picture is crisp, blacks are really back, colors are warm and do not suffer from wash-out. It pretty much validates every reason I've read for getting a plasma over a LCD/LED.

Pros:
Picture Quality
Excellent Black Levels
AR filter minimizes glare
High speed motion with no pixelation

Cons:
Break-in time compared to LCD / LED.
Additional power draw compared to my Wega tripped the 15 amp GFI breaker in my living room. I could run the TV and cable box, but not my receiver and TV simultaneously. House was wired in 2009. Had an electrician swap out the breaker with a new one (also 15 AMP GFI) and have had no problems since. Have been told that the older GFI breakers (and apparently 2009 is old for these things) were more sensitive.

I can't speak for the apps on the TV because I use AppleTV for Netflix.

Right now I am using the "cinema" picture setting. The standard setting was a bit too dark for me. Once I have it broken in I will properly calibrate it.

Price from Costco Online $1399.00 + 99.00 S&H + 99.00 Warranty + Tax = $1700
post #35 of 758
I just called my local Costco and they are showing none in stock in any of the San Diego stores. Closest one is in El Centro.

I was worried about how I was going to get it home anyways so paying the $100 for shipping is not that big of a deal.
post #36 of 758
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1982 View Post

I've had my 65ps64 for ~ 1 week now. I originally had a rear projection LCD 50" Sony Wega (KDFE50A10). I replaced it with a 70" Vizio e701i-a3 LED. I was not impressed with the Vizio LED picture quality. Even after calibration I felt like my Wega had better PQ in pretty much every facet. I took the Vizio back and replaced it with the 65ps64.

Primary viewing content has been HBO, NBA Finals, and HD movies from IPad/Itunes via AppleTV (gen2 / 720P).

I am 100% satisfied with the 65ps64. It blows away the Vizio e701i-a3 in pretty much every facet (except power consumption). Picture is crisp, blacks are really back, colors are warm and do not suffer from wash-out. It pretty much validates every reason I've read for getting a plasma over a LCD/LED.

Pros:
Picture Quality
Excellent Black Levels
AR filter minimizes glare
High speed motion with no pixelation

Cons:
Break-in time compared to LCD / LED.
Additional power draw compared to my Wega tripped the 15 amp GFI breaker in my living room. I could run the TV and cable box, but not my receiver and TV simultaneously. House was wired in 2009. Had an electrician swap out the breaker with a new one (also 15 AMP GFI) and have had no problems since. Have been told that the older GFI breakers (and apparently 2009 is old for these things) were more sensitive.

I can't speak for the apps on the TV because I use AppleTV for Netflix.

Right now I am using the "cinema" picture setting. The standard setting was a bit too dark for me. Once I have it broken in I will properly calibrate it.

Price from Costco Online $1399.00 + 99.00 S&H + 99.00 Warranty + Tax = $1700

1982,

Thank you for providing detailed input. Glad you're liking your S64! biggrin.gif
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/7/13 at 12:52pm
post #37 of 758
I am not an owner (yet) but I just wanted to say thanks for this thread.

I am searching for a new tv and am torn on my choices. Basically the same price..... 60" ST60 or 65" S64. I could give up the extra 5" but if the pic of the s64 is almost as good as the st60, it is a no brainer to get the extra 5". 3d I could take or leave
post #38 of 758
Will I regret? I pulled the trigger and bought a Vizio 70" M-Series on Costco.com. Wondering if I'd be better served by losing just 5" and getting the Panny 65PS64? It feels like this set it trouble free and a STEAL. It would save me almost $1000! I could care less about 3D so no worries there. Any thoughts?
post #39 of 758
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Originally Posted by killerfish View Post

Will I regret? I pulled the trigger and bought a Vizio 70" M-Series on Costco.com. Wondering if I'd be better served by losing just 5" and getting the Panny 65PS64? It feels like this set it trouble free and a STEAL. It would save me almost $1000! I could care less about 3D so no worries there. Any thoughts?
The S64 will definitely give you the better picture so you have to either choose size or pq. Not really sure how good the pq is on these new Vizio's but I would definitley be worried about the black levels and screen uniformity in them. Does it at least have any type of local dimming?

I will say a 70" TV is niiiiiiice though. No matter what there will be a wow factor in it and some thing can be over looked just based on size alone.
post #40 of 758
Yes - the Vizio has local dimming so that should help. We agree on the size thing! I'm going to swing by costco and see if I can see them both in person. I have an older Panasonic Plasma I got a Costco a few years ago and LOVE it!. ..Dang I just wish there was a 70" Plasma!

One thought. Any idea on which would be better for watching Ice Hockey?
post #41 of 758
Quote:
Originally Posted by killerfish View Post

Yes - the Vizio has local dimming so that should help. We agree on the size thing! I'm going to swing by costco and see if I can see them both in person. I have an older Panasonic Plasma I got a Costco a few years ago and LOVE it!. ..Dang I just wish there was a 70" Plasma!

One thought. Any idea on which would be better for watching Ice Hockey?
I personally do not watch hockey but most people say it looks better on LED TV's because of the bright whites...I think this years plasma's have better whites then the past but they still cannot compete with LED's.

Also, the refresh rate will play an important role on blurring on LED TV's. Is the panel at least a true 120hz with software maybe jacking it up to 240? Or is is a 60hz panel saying 120hz tru motion or some motion statement.
post #42 of 758
It's true 120hz with 240Hz smooth motion. My worry is that the Vizio thread is about 70% positive whereas this thread is pretty much 100% positive. I feel like I know what I'd be getting with Penny where the Visio carries some risk...
post #43 of 758
Ended up getting the Panasonic 65PS64! I went to Costco today and while they didn't have the Panasonic in, they did have the 50" and 65" Vizio M-Series. Honestly, I was not impressed. They happened to have some hockey highlights on and to me, it really struggled to keep up with the action. There was a Panasonic UT50 there and even that showed the hockey way better. So, in the end it became a no brainer. Get the 65", have a better picture, and save $1000!

Thanks!
KF
post #44 of 758
Vote.
post #45 of 758
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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post

Vote.

can I at least receive and set it up first?biggrin.gif
post #46 of 758
We have seen these anomalous, erroneous votes that have besmirched an otherwise admirable reputation. Cast that vote young man, and VINDICATE the s64. You must do what's right, right now. /jessejackson
post #47 of 758
If you guys had the option of a s60 65" for 1300 or the s64 65" for 1500 ( but with a free 2 year warranty).. What would you guys do? Light in my room is not an issue either! I really need your help!
post #48 of 758
Which store would the s60 be from, and how much worse is their return policy & warranty options compared to costco or sams? If they're close in that respect, I'd be tempted to save the $200. Just too many windows.

Tough call.
post #49 of 758
I would have voted positively had the poll included the S60 line since they are kinda brother's or at the very least second cousins. wink.gif
post #50 of 758
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by killerfish View Post

can I at least receive and set it up first?biggrin.gif

Definitely. I hope you do a mini review in here as others have done AFTER you've had some time to get to know the panel. Please post your review being true to yourself and what you are seeing.

It appears to me that an objective review of any panel at any price will include some negatives. That is, I believe there is NO perfect TV and never has been.
Quote:
Originally Posted by suckmyditka View Post

If you guys had the option of a s60 65" for 1300 or the s64 65" for 1500 ( but with a free 2 year warranty).. What would you guys do? Light in my room is not an issue either! I really need your help!

If you plan to buy an extended warranty, then I think the price diff will then break even if using CostCo because their Square Trade TV warranty plus 1 year added CostCo warranty probably makes the deal pretty even. Just one guy's opinion: If I had it to do again, I'd get it from CostCo instead of Sam's and save money on the warranty & gain a year.
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Originally Posted by fairchild99 View Post

I would have voted positively had the poll included the S60 line since they are kinda brother's or at the very least second cousins. wink.gif

fairchild99: I agree completely but can also see why you didn't vote - it is sound logic.

In lieu of that, can I make this request?

As thread author: If you can make the time, I officially invite you to write a review on your S60 here.

Reasons I think your review or link to same belongs here:

1.) You have put so much work into 9 (NINE) iterations (edit: it's now 10) of settings that you have generously shared in the S60 thread. Those settings have helped so many S64 owners have a brilliantly performing panel. Admittedly, panel variations mean that no shared settings will always work for every single panel, but that was well known in advance.

2.) The above proves your point; that your S60 settings work SO well on so many S64s proves that the models are in fact brothers - nearly identical twins in many ways.

3.) Your knowledge and skill level far surpass my own. Therefore, I expect your review would be at a much higher tech level and therefore of great value.

I would consider it an enhancement to this thread if you would add your review. Whatever length review you can make time for will be appreciated by me & I suspect to others.

Anyway, what I hope for if you kindly take the time to contribute your review is: Pros & cons ~ just as you see it.

mm
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/18/13 at 9:18pm
post #51 of 758
Thread Starter 
S60 owners: While I request you not vote in this thread so we can keep the sample as pure as possible, I'd really appreciate if you would link your S60 reviews here. It could save readers a ton of time.

Maybe disclose something like this:

"...here's a link to my S60 review... ...and I would recommend the S60 (Or not. Or maybe.)" And if you have time, maybe add your main reasons for your recommendation.

Hopefully most will agree that the primary difference between the S60 and 64 is the AR filter and choices of sellers.

To prospective buyers: It is my impression that the AR filter is fairly light on the S64's. So if S64 poll thread readers read S60 reviews, when the owner speaks of glare, please do not expect that glare will be totally attenuated with the S64 AR filter.

When I read S60 reviews, I personally consider that the glare will be "slightly" reduced on the S64. Some feel it is most effective on overhead lighting but less so on side angle glare like from windows.

I've said it before, but I had one small pest window that caused glare right in the middle of my panel due to being at a critical angle to where I sit. I had to black that window out with my 55ST60 and likewise with my later 65PS64, so the AR filter is far from total glare attenuation. But blacking out one window was pretty easy in the greater scheme.

Thanks,

mm
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/18/13 at 9:19pm
post #52 of 758
Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

As thread author: If you can make the time, I officially invite you to write a review on your S60 here.

mm

I'm not really great at writing up reviews. I just pop in and out and give info and advice if I can and share my calibrations. wink.gif

There really have been some good reviews in the official S60 thread. I am probably over 800 hours on my set now and it is looking great. As compared to my previous plasma (a Panasonic 42" S2 1080p plasma) is that I have yet to see a hint of IR where as my other set got some pretty heavy IR from watching alot of MLB games. Now I haven't done much MLB viewing this season, but I have done a great deal of gaming with Diablo3 and haven't seen a hint of IR from it's HUD. I also have watched a lot of NBA this season and haven't seen a hint of IR yet. So that right there is a great improvement for me coming from my last plasma. Also of course, the improved black level is great and thank god I don't have to deal with floating black levels or rising black level that plagued that set.

Also the fact that this set has calibration settings in the Picture menu as well as having a way to change the gamma curve AND a working CMS is a godsend. My P42S2 had no CMS nor gamma settings and the grayscale had to be adjusted in the Service Menu which was a headache. All this is incredible to see implemented in Panasonic's entry level 1080p plasma of 2013. My last plasma also had an IR filter but truth be told I haven't missed it one bit since I now have light control in my room where the TV resides and thus I can even watch letter-boxed movies in the middle of the day with the sun shining thanks to my black-out curtains. (I do alot of mid-afternoon viewing some days as my usual shift has me home before noon)

Only negatives I can think of that affect me is lack of a 3rd HDMI output, but I guess that can be fixed for many by either using a receiver or an HDMI splitter. Also a negative from a positive is that the Amazon instant video streaming app that is included (which is awesome since my last plasma had zero apps) doesn't support My Watchlist feature. I'm hoping this gets updated in a firmware upgrade, but I'm not holding my breath.
post #53 of 758
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fairchild99 View Post

I'm not really great at writing up reviews. I just pop in and out and give info and advice if I can and share my calibrations. wink.gif

There really have been some good reviews in the official S60 thread. I am probably over 800 hours on my set now and it is looking great. As compared to my previous plasma (a Panasonic 42" S2 1080p plasma) is that I have yet to see a hint of IR where as my other set got some pretty heavy IR from watching alot of MLB games. Now I haven't done much MLB viewing this season, but I have done a great deal of gaming with Diablo3 and haven't seen a hint of IR from it's HUD. I also have watched a lot of NBA this season and haven't seen a hint of IR yet. So that right there is a great improvement for me coming from my last plasma. Also of course, the improved black level is great and thank god I don't have to deal with floating black levels or rising black level that plagued that set.

Also the fact that this set has calibration settings in the Picture menu as well as having a way to change the gamma curve AND a working CMS is a godsend. My P42S2 had no CMS nor gamma settings and the grayscale had to be adjusted in the Service Menu which was a headache. All this is incredible to see implemented in Panasonic's entry level 1080p plasma of 2013. My last plasma also had an IR filter but truth be told I haven't missed it one bit since I now have light control in my room where the TV resides and thus I can even watch letter-boxed movies in the middle of the day with the sun shining thanks to my black-out curtains. (I do alot of mid-afternoon viewing some days as my usual shift has me home before noon)

Only negatives I can think of that affect me is lack of a 3rd HDMI output, but I guess that can be fixed for many by either using a receiver or an HDMI splitter. Also a negative from a positive is that the Amazon instant video streaming app that is included (which is awesome since my last plasma had zero apps) doesn't support My Watchlist feature. I'm hoping this gets updated in a firmware upgrade, but I'm not holding my breath.

fairchild99,

Thank you very much for writing that up.

If you have time, can you give your thoughts about ABL on your S60? I know it's in the S60 thread somewhere... but maybe some of the value of the S64 owner's poll thread is keeping to the heart of what prospective buyers want to know.

mm
post #54 of 758
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

If you have time, can you give your thoughts about ABL on your S60? I know it's in the S60 thread somewhere... but maybe some of the value of the S64 owner's poll thread is keeping to the heart of what prospective buyers want to know

Copy and paste from the other thread
Quote:
I only ever see ABL when messing around on my HTPC with the TV as the display device. And only when dealing with white webpages and tabbing around. You can see the ABL easily with a PC connected to it by opening say notepad (which is a full white window) then drag it around the screen while having a dark wallpaper/background. Also by opening notepad and then making it a tiny window, then dragging/enlarging it so it takes up more of the desktop. You can see fluctuations in the brightness and overall brightness of the desktop.

Again, this is going to happen with ALL modern plasma displays. Some are more aggressive than others, but it's just a fact of life atm. This is obviously not something you would be facing while using the TV for actual content (blu-ray's, TV, streaming video, gaming, etc etc)

Note, I should have said this is not something you would be facing "often" while using the TV for actual content. Depending on the transition from a dark scene to a very bright scene might trigger it, but I doubt it that I would actually be able to notice it. It won't be as obvious as the examples I listed.
post #55 of 758
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fairchild99 View Post

Copy and paste from the other thread
Note, I should have said this is not something you would be facing "often" while using the TV for actual content. Depending on the transition from a dark scene to a very bright scene might trigger it, but I doubt it that I would actually be able to notice it. It won't be as obvious as the examples I listed.

Thank you for posting the info here.

mm
post #56 of 758
Hi All,

Just got my TC-65S64. I live in Canada so I had it shipped from Costco.com to a package forwarder in Houlton, Maine. I brought a Tahoe to pick it up, it barely fit, and I had to partially lay it down.

I have never had a 65 inch tv before but this thing is incredible. The size and PQ is unreal. This is a ****** iPhone pic of my living room. I have a set of the Andrew Jones designed entry-level speakers and an AVR-1713. Just need a rug and some surround speaker stands.

I will give a review in a bit.

post #57 of 758
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hapazoid View Post

Hi All,

Just got my TC-65S64. I live in Canada so I had it shipped from Costco.com to a package forwarder in Houlton, Maine. I brought a Tahoe to pick it up, it barely fit, and I had to partially lay it down.

I have never had a 65 inch tv before but this thing is incredible. The size and PQ is unreal. This is a ****** iPhone pic of my living room. I have a set of the Andrew Jones designed entry-level speakers and an AVR-1713. Just need a rug and some surround speaker stands.

I will give a review in a bit.


hapazoid,

Congrats!

Nice looking setup! Thanks for posting. I look forward to reading your review after you get to know your S64 for awhile.

mm
post #58 of 758
I initially bought the 65 inch S64. I ended up swapping it out for the 50 inch. The 65 was too big for the room, which is more a library than a mcmansion rec room, and it just dominated the room. Also, my viewing distance was close enough so that, even though most content looked terrific, the imperfections of SD or the output of the laserdisc player was a little too noticeable. Finally, the price differential was significant. Not saying that any of those three things were deal killers, but together they pushed me to the 50 inch model, and I am very satisfied.

The apps are really well done, the two apps missing, pandora and internet radio, I get from my receiver. The media player seems useless to me, but the one on my blu-ray player works fine. So I am thoroughly satisfied.

Some brief notes on setup. I am a two channel guy, and the set goes in a listening room between two klipsch heresies (high clarity speakers, good for home theater). The receiver is an Onkyo TX-8050. These are cheap, sound great, have digital inputs, and, as mentioned above, handle pandora and internet radio stations. It is a great match for the TV; my oppo BDP93 blue ray and TIVO original series three DVR (OTA feed) use the two HDMI inputs, and the TV passes PCM stereo using optical cable to the receiver. My pioneer LD703 is mostly used as a CD transport, but occasionally I'll spin an LD. It uses the composite jack on the TV, with digital coax sound straight to the receiver.

Plugged in fairchild99's cinema settings and copied them to all three inputs. Used a spears and munsel disk to tweak them a bit, but to be honest I don't know that I improved on them. Dialed down the brightness and contrast on the AV input for the LD, but I did not spend a lot of time getting that one right.

Spent hours getting everything working correctly on my learning remote. The lack of discrete input buttons on the remote, essential for macros, stumped me for a bit, but with sawfish's help I was able to learn them from another remote (see the other thread for details).

With everything dialed in, the picture is flawless with bluray, HD, and DVD content, and watchable in SD and LD. I have dedicated one button macros that fire up the TIVO (OTA), bluray, or the streaming apps, or I can turn off the TV and listen to internet radio, CDs, or vinyl. on the same system.
post #59 of 758
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nopedals View Post

I initially bought the 65 inch S64. I ended up swapping it out for the 50 inch. The 65 was too big for the room, which is more a library than a mcmansion rec room, and it just dominated the room. Also, my viewing distance was close enough so that, even though most content looked terrific, the imperfections of SD or the output of the laserdisc player was a little too noticeable. Finally, the price differential was significant. Not saying that any of those three things were deal killers, but together they pushed me to the 50 inch model, and I am very satisfied.

The apps are really well done, the two apps missing, pandora and internet radio, I get from my receiver. The media player seems useless to me, but the one on my blu-ray player works fine. So I am thoroughly satisfied.

Some brief notes on setup. I am a two channel guy, and the set goes in a listening room between two klipsch heresies (high clarity speakers, good for home theater). The receiver is an Onkyo TX-8050. These are cheap, sound great, have digital inputs, and, as mentioned above, handle pandora and internet radio stations. It is a great match for the TV; my oppo BDP93 blue ray and TIVO original series three DVR (OTA feed) use the two HDMI inputs, and the TV passes PCM stereo using optical cable to the receiver. My pioneer LD703 is mostly used as a CD transport, but occasionally I'll spin an LD. It uses the composite jack on the TV, with digital coax sound straight to the receiver.

Plugged in fairchild99's cinema settings and copied them to all three inputs. Used a spears and munsel disk to tweak them a bit, but to be honest I don't know that I improved on them. Dialed down the brightness and contrast on the AV input for the LD, but I did not spend a lot of time getting that one right.

Spent hours getting everything working correctly on my learning remote. The lack of discrete input buttons on the remote, essential for macros, stumped me for a bit, but with sawfish's help I was able to learn them from another remote (see the other thread for details).

With everything dialed in, the picture is flawless with bluray, HD, and DVD content, and watchable in SD and LD. I have dedicated one button macros that fire up the TIVO (OTA), bluray, or the streaming apps, or I can turn off the TV and listen to internet radio, CDs, or vinyl. on the same system.

nopedals,

Thank you for posting your detailed observations. Sorry to hear the 65 was too big but very glad to hear you like the 50 for your theater & that you've arrived at some good settings.

If you can make the time, I'd appreciate it if you would post a pic or two of your current setup. It sounds like a winner.

After you get to know your new panel for awhile, it would be excellent if you would post a review here. Or if you've already done a review, maybe link it here and post any new or changed observations you have with your new 50?

Thanks,

mm
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/15/13 at 12:33am
post #60 of 758
Quote:
Originally Posted by fairchild99 View Post

Menu - Setup - Eco navigation - Power save - Standard
Menu - Setup - Eco navigation - CATS - Off
Menu - Picture - CATS - Off

It's basically just a check, since at least on my set, turning it off in one part of the Menu turns it off in the other. Maybe there was some bug with it being turned On in one but not the other. The main thing to do is make sure your Power save is set to Standard.

Please copy and paste to the S60 thread. MountainMichael mentioned turning it off in 2 places, but this gives exactly where to do this. I was uncertain as to whether I had turned these off in the right places, but assumed so, as I hadn't noticed any ABL/CATS issues.

(Ack! I voted a couple of weeks ago, but didn't subscribe so only now noticed that 2 pages of comments have been posted since.)
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