Originally Posted by imanalien
I just picked up 65PS64 from Sam's last week. When it all was said and done I paid $440 before tax for it. It did have pretty heavy image retention, thus the discount. The IR came from the Cirque Du Soleil Vegas DVD menu page. I have used Pixel Jogger to eliminate most of it but not all. The Orbiter was on it seems. All that is left is where the menu page crossed the same pixels no matter where the Orbitter off set the picture. We'll see over the next coupla months if it fades out. In normal viewing you have to look hard to see the IR. If you didn't know it was there you would have a hard time picking it out...easier to see on a light/white background.
I LOVE the panel! I am currently using the CNET settings. I will try FC's latest as the panel has nearly 1800 hrs...I got it at 1740. There is some popping as it cools, haven't really noticed any as it warms up.
I really like the CNET settings. Put them in Custom before I read that it does matter in which setting mode you modify. Seems weird to me that each setting is that different that it would effect it that way. That differences are baked into each setting and you can't copy the settings to different setting choice and it be an exact match. Seems a waste that you can't modify Vivid to something useful by putting Moshock's in it's place, CNET's in for Home Theater, etc. I just don't understand...beyond that I have enjoyed the panel very much.
I have updated the firmware as well. Very easy process. I am disappointed in a couple of areas. HDMI inputs. I have an older A/V receiver that does not receive the sound in the HDMI input just video and receives it via toslink and coax. So I have DISH into HDMI 1, Chromecast in HDMI 2, basic cable into coaxial input on the TV and toslink out to A/V receiver. Into the A/V goes Blu Ray-video to HDMI and audio to toslink, then HDMI/video out. I'll have to pull one of the other HDMI out of the S64 when I want to watch Blu Ray.
All in all I really like the TV! Beautiful panel! I will buy the WOW disc and use it's pixel flipper to see if I can degrade the IR further. Otherwise, for $440 I think I got a good deal!
I have enjoyed this thread and will skim through the S60 page as I have the opportunity.
If anyone has any suggestions for the IR beyond what I am already doing let me know.
Count me as one who does regret buying the panel. I was stuck between this and the 60ST60...am glad I got the 65PS64!
Originally Posted by imanalien
Here is what I don't understand...FC99's Custom settings are not as comprehensive as the setting adjustments I have in the S64...
I have much more adjustment under Custom in the Color Detail Adjustment then he has listed. It looks just like the Cinema adjustments.
Is that just a difference in the panels? I am running the latest firmware but had those adjustments before hand as well. Does that mean Custom and Cinema can look the same?
Hi, Robbie and welcome to AVS & this thread. I'm glad you've found this thread to be of use.
Your text said to count you as one who does regret buying the panel... did you mean does NOT regret...??
There is a lot of great info in the giant S60 thread. I haven't been following it in the past couple months, but I still go there and search for excellent info often.
Sounds like you got a whale of a deal on a TC-65PS64! Holy cow, man. I'd have snapped that up in a NY minute. I'm hoping pixel flipper will eliminate most or all of what you are seeing. You probably already know this, but I'll say it just in case: If you have stubborn IR, it is not out of line to run Pixel Flipper continuously overnight. It is considered by many to be by far the only truly effective IR eliminator. I've never needed to run it more than an hour, but then again, that was after letting Amazon's menu cook in for a single overnight.
Furthermore, I have a hunch that just regular old mixed content may help. Say it takes 3 or 6 months of regular content before it's gone? I think you still win with a steal like that! If I were you, maybe run flipper overnight 1 day a week for awhile and see what it can do. Regular content in between is what I would suggest. If you go 5 or 10 overnights of flipper and are not seeing noticeable improvement, maybe stop wasting your energy money on that and let normal content do the rest from there on out. Just my thoughts. More knowledgeable people in here than me may have some better suggestions.
My main point is probably this: In the S60 thread, I saw many people try other things than Disney Pixel Flipper... and they almost always either failed or were kind of a weak solution. Whereas, Pixel Flipper solved a lot of people's problems PRONTO. But that does not mean flipper is 100%. It appeared to me that some panels of the same make and model were simply more stubborn about IR. IOW, it varies.
As I was installing tunes on my brother's and Dad's 50PS64s, I noted that other inputs may have different amounts of available settings than the HDMI inputs. I believe fairchild99's listed shared settings were based on HDMI inputs.
OTOH, if your HDMI has more color detail settings available, I am wondering if maybe you have a higher model... ?? possibly an ST60? If so, that's a great panel, too. I owned one for about a month and loved it. Or maybe a GT50? Another excellent panel from what I've read.
I'm hoping maybe fairchild99 will see this and can help clarify.
Originally Posted by sammyrocker5150
Hey everyone new guy here! I picked a TC-P65S64 from an Ebay reseller new in box for $1250 included insured shipping.
Im coming from a 55" Samsung LCD LED UN55C5000 which is an el cheapo late 2010 model. I put 15,000 screen hours on that baby, and I'm ready to go back to a plasma!
I can't wait to get this baby in the 'ol living room, throw a hundred hours at it, and get some calibrating going! I use Calman 5, but i only have a Spectra Cal C3 for a colorimeter. I will happily post all my findings in the future for everyone!.
Sammy, welcome to AVS and this thread!
I initially paid 1350, fought tooth and nail with Sam's to get a 50 dollar price drop... and I finally got it. However, I still paid 100 clams or something for shipping. So it sounds like you got a great price!
I hope your new TC-65PS64 turns out to be everything you hoped for. I suggest you expect some break in time for plasma trailing (can add to big screen blurring on new plasmas until they are broken in) and initially excessively bright phosphors (dithering). Also, your minimum viewing distance should be somewhat greater with a 65 than with a 55 or such was my distinct opinion having owned both a 55" and a 65" panel recently. I consider 8 to 9 feet to be my personal minimum viewing distance with my 65. My 55 could have gone a foot or two closer than that. It's mainly bigger pixels that causes this, or so I think. In other words, 1920 x 1080 is obviously a finite number of pixels... so said pixels will be larger in a 65 than in a 55.
Make no mistake: I'm tickled pink that I went to a 65 because I freakin' love the added real estate! It's just that there is a slight downside to it, too. Personally, I would NOT go back.
As a point of reference, my eyes uncorrected are 20/20 left and 20/25 right. Someone with far better vision than average... say 20/15 both eyes - should probably plan on setting up a greater viewing distance. Maybe 10 feet or more for a 65 inch screen.
My TC-65PS64 has about maybe 800 or 900 hours on it and it has been magnificent IMHO from about 300 or 400 hours on. It continues to "wow" me daily. I mean, I literally pause the video and stare at it because I can't believe it.
Motion blurring from bad video content cannot be hidden on a 65", but I'm getting used to it. However, just like at the movie theater, if an idiot cinematographer starts flailing the camera wildly like it is a fire hose, I just close my eyes for a moment. Less so now. I'm sure you've read about how camera people should be more considerate knowing they are typically filming at an archaic 24p... Well, some do take this into account, others think nauseating blurring is a WONDERFUL effect.
Anyway, others have said: Plasmas generally handle motion better than LCD/LEDs if the prices are anywhere near similar.
Sammy and Robbie: I hope you will both post reviews of your panels after you get to know them for awhile. Pics appreciated, too!
If you post them elsewhere, I would be grateful if you would post links to your reviews in this thread.
MichaelEdited by MountainMichael - 10/23/13 at 8:27pm