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Poll Results: Are you glad overall that you bought the PanasonicTC-xxPS64?

Poll expired: Jun 22, 2013  
  • 88% (22)
    Yes, totally glad.
  • 0% (0)
    No, I regret it.
  • 12% (3)
    I'm ambivalent. Serious doubts.
25 Total Votes  
post #511 of 758
Thread Starter 
Another pair of S64 hunt/kill stories - these ones close to home:

My brother's antique 26" CRT bit the dust 2 weeks ago, so he started looking for a panel TV. He started looking at LCD/LED's and I suggested he take a look around in AVS and also linked him to this thread.

Short version, he started looking for a TC-50PS64 at CostCo online. I said I thought maybe they were all sold out by now.

Anyway, online, there were indications that Arvada, CO stocks them, but a phone call revealed they were sold out. Online said none in Colorado Springs, but he called there Friday and was told they had 8 in stock. Cool! ?? we hoped..

It's the usual CostCo thing where their website is sadly out of date with their actual stock.

He was going to go there to see if they really had any and buy one yesterday so I drove from my goat trail retreat rolleyes.gif to Pueblo and my Dad and I then drove up to help with logistics and setup.

The Colo Spgs CostCo had sold 1 on Friday and 3 on Saturday, so they still had some left. My Dad went ahead and bought one at the same time.

2 different reps at CostCo told the 3 of us that there was absolutely no need to unbox them at this store. They told the 3 of us (corroborating witnesses) that if either was cracked or damaged in any way, we can swap it no problem and that they are very "liberal" about this. I was a bit uneasy but of course left the choice to the buyers. My Dad and brother were ok with it. So alright, let's give it a go. Both boxes pristine versus what my 65PS64 box looked like (like it took last place in an arse kicking contest tongue.gif ).

My brother trucked them both to his house (TV cartons properly situated upright/vertical & carefully padded and strapped). It was like less than a mile drive but we still took it slow and easy. Once at my brother's home, we then unboxed, set up and checked them both out for cracks, dead lines or pixels. Both are perfect so far and none of us could hear any buzz whatsoever even with sound off and running very bright slides. biggrin.gif

Not so much as one dead or stuck pixel. cool.gif

We proceeded to build a new kit TV stand and then get my brother's S64 moved to its longer term placement with no problems. Midnight long drive to get my Dad back home - quite a light show through a wide ranging thunderstorm & downpour. I drove back to the hills from there this a.m..

Anyway, I'll see if I can get either of them to join AVS and maybe post their impressions after a month or three in this or the S60 thread.

mm
Edited by MountainMichael - 10/14/13 at 2:55pm
post #512 of 758
You edited before I could quote, but in the old days (a decade ago?) buzz used to be a problem at high altitudes, not low altitudes, but they've solved that problem since.
post #513 of 758
It seems the 3 instances of motion blur on my 65S64 may be attributed to the source (transmission bit rate). I'll have to observe the 'Skins (my former team when I lived there) game in a couple of weeks on FOX to see if I see any motion blur. I'll also have to finish watching my one and only blu-ray disc (when I catch up on all my DVR'd content) to check for motion blur.

So, assuming that the motion blur I observed is from the source and not the TV, a couple of instances of posterization is my only complaint to date. Dithering has either gone away or I quit staring 3 feet away from the TV to try and spot defects.
post #514 of 758
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

You edited before I could quote, but in the old days (a decade ago?) buzz used to be a problem at high altitudes, not low altitudes, but they've solved that problem since.

Interesting; good to know. My brother asked me before I bought my ST60 if I was maybe at too high an altitude for a plasma TV. I live at 7150 feet. I wonder if that was the issue he'd read of? Seems likely.

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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

It seems the 3 instances of motion blur on my 65S64 may be attributed to the source (transmission bit rate). I'll have to observe the 'Skins (my former team when I lived there) game in a couple of weeks on FOX to see if I see any motion blur. I'll also have to finish watching my one and only blu-ray disc (when I catch up on all my DVR'd content) to check for motion blur.

So, assuming that the motion blur I observed is from the source and not the TV, a couple of instances of posterization is my only complaint to date. Dithering has either gone away or I quit staring 3 feet away from the TV to try and spot defects.

Update much appreciated! Tracks with my opinions, too, fwiw.
post #515 of 758
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

You edited before I could quote, but in the old days (a decade ago?) buzz used to be a problem at high altitudes, not low altitudes, but they've solved that problem since.

Interesting; good to know. My brother asked me before I bought my ST60 if I was maybe at too high an altitude for a plasma TV. I live at 7150 feet. I wonder if that was the issue he'd read of? Seems likely.

High altitude up to around 6000 feet, I think. I guess you're not too much higher for it to be a problem. Next time I'm in a mountain resort around 9000 feet, I'll have to see if I can find any plasmas, but the bar noise will likely drown out any buzzing.
post #516 of 758
Thread Starter 
I went and looked it up after my brother mentioned it before I bought my previous 55ST60. I can't remember now, but I think Panny says they are ok to 8 or 9000 feet. Not sure how much that really means, though.
post #517 of 758
Michael, did you see the other thread with the link to the article about Panasonic discontinuing all plasmas in or after 2014? What a shame. I guess plasma is going the way of Betamax. frown.gif
post #518 of 758
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

Michael, did you see the other thread with the link to the article about Panasonic discontinuing all plasmas in or after 2014? What a shame. I guess plasma is going the way of Betamax. frown.gif

Hey, Roger. I'd read about that possibility on and off over the past several months. I probably haven't seen the specific thread post you're referring to.

I'm guessing they may be under pressure to get energy consumption lowest possible... and while plasmas have advanced in that area, they don't sip juice nearly as lightly as the LCD/LED's..

Or could it be manufacturing costs...

Do you know if anyone has nailed down why they are phasing them out? Maybe so they can sell overpriced/underperforming (so far) OLEDs? wink.gif
post #519 of 758
Thread Starter 
Eco navigation: Help needed

Ok, I have what I believe to be the latest firmware on my TC-65PS64.

However, on the 2 new TC-50PS64's purchased by my Dad and brother yesterday, when I tried to go to Eco Navigation by:

Menu, setup... nothing to the right to arrow to except some guff that was totally different. One single line (can't remember what) but nothing to do with Eco.

My Dad's panel showed slides full bright (to my eye). Whereas, we saw stepped dimming on my brother's 50. Next difference: On my brother's 50, I went to the first picture mode and turned off CATS. I checked other picture modes as I had to turn each one off in my 65". However, turning off one on my brother's set turned them ALL off.

And then, the slides showed full bright (to my eye).

I've suggested to both not to run slides for panel prep because that is my personal opinion - and because fairchild99 didn't and they both hope to use his shared settings.

Anyway, what gives? Is there maybe an even newer firmware on these 2 new 50's? Or has some hardware changed?

I'm going to poke around in panny dot com to see about the firmware thing. It could be that I'm out of date as I have not been following the S60 thread...

Any info appreciated.

Thanks!

mm
post #520 of 758
Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

Michael, did you see the other thread with the link to the article about Panasonic discontinuing all plasmas in or after 2014? What a shame. I guess plasma is going the way of Betamax. frown.gif

Hey, Roger. I'd read about that possibility on and off over the past several months. I probably haven't seen the specific thread post you're referring to.

I'm guessing they may be under pressure to get energy consumption lowest possible... and while plasmas have advanced in that area, they don't sip juice nearly as lightly as the LCD/LED's..

Or could it be manufacturing costs...

Do you know if anyone has nailed down why they are phasing them out? Maybe so they can sell overpriced/underperforming (so far) OLEDs? wink.gif

Someone (can't remember if it was actually in the article) said they were loosing $14 million/year or some huge amount on plasmas. Marketing has done a poor job telling people plasma is superior technology so nobody buys plasmas anymore.
post #521 of 758
Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

Is there maybe an even newer firmware on these 2 new 50's? Or has some hardware changed?

What's the firmware version on those 2 TVs? I think the latest is something like 2.08, but since the online updater doesn't see that, I doubt those TVs even have that version.
post #522 of 758
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

Someone (can't remember if it was actually in the article) said they were loosing $14 million/year or some huge amount on plasmas. Marketing has done a poor job telling people plasma is superior technology so nobody buys plasmas anymore.

Wow. That's just sad.

Anyway, my brother is an exceptionally smart guy and always thinks for himself... and doesn't have curtain climbers, so he went plasma. And bravo for people who can think.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

What's the firmware version on those 2 TVs? I think the latest is something like 2.08, but since the online updater doesn't see that, I doubt those TVs even have that version.

I did not check it. On my TC-65PS64, I'm currently using the latest listed in Panny dot com which is 2.208. Setup on these 2 new 50's doesn't look anything like Setup on my TV. I suspect they may have a later version of firmware that may be released (anytime soon??). Appears turning off CATS in any picture menu on their TV's turns it ALL off. IMHO, that could be an improvement since many people may hate this panel with CATS or eco turned on.

Maybe Panny finally recognized that?
Edited by MountainMichael - 10/15/13 at 7:00pm
post #523 of 758
Thread Starter 
Initial update. I spent some time on the phone with my brother today helping him get some shared settings plugged in. No difficulties.

He thought Moshock's settings in Home theater were probably too bright and way too "orange" on his 50.

Says fairchild99's settings in Cinema and Custom look very good with natural skin tones. We decided to try some of fairchild99's earliest settings with the Colormunki equipment. I gave him fairchild's advice about maybe trying his newest shared settings... and zeroing out w/b and color detail if there is anything looking off. I think he may try that next. However, he wisely wants to try these settings for a few days and then decide; not change settings every 5 minutes.

His description of S64 picture quality is: "Astounding." His source is a cable box right now and he has seen some scenes where PQ of the cable box content is poor. I gave him the brief low down on wildly varying content quality - or sometimes, lack thereof.

About Eco Navigation: It mysteriously showed up in the correct place. His software version is earlier, not later. It is 2.207. I think he is going to do a usb drive update to 2.208 soon. Maybe that is the stability problem that 208 addressed? Aka, Eco Navigation playing hide and seek...

fwiw,

Micke
post #524 of 758

Hey Guys, 

 

First Post!! So please be Gentle,

 

I was actually just looking at purchasing the TC50PS64 From Costco, does anyone know if this has powered HDMI? As well does the tv have CEC? Im a cord cutter and this is my choice of tv to stream my hockey i think, so i was hoping to get some Chrome-casts for the house. Is there a way to tell if a tv has powered HDMI, or is this kind of a standard these days?

 

Thank you so much in advance,

post #525 of 758
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by abandonedcause View Post

Hey Guys, 

First Post!! So please be Gentle,

I was actually just looking at purchasing the TC50PS64 From Costco, does anyone know if this has powered HDMI? As well does the tv have CEC? Im a cord cutter and this is my choice of tv to stream my hockey i think, so i was hoping to get some Chrome-casts for the house. Is there a way to tell if a tv has powered HDMI, or is this kind of a standard these days?

Thank you so much in advance,

First off, welcome to AVSForum and to this thread!

I cut the cord myself though I am currently using a PS3 to stream to my S64. Especially now that SuperHD has come to Netflix/Centurylink in my area, I find the streaming experience to be amazingly good. 6 months after purchase, I still find myself being "wowed" on a daily basis. Sure, there's still some bad video content from various sources, but overall, it's brilliant.

The TV has 2 HDMI ports and I believe it is HDMI port 2 that has ARC or audio return channel. The ARC can turn devices on and off via the HDMI connection if that is what you're referring to. I'm not using ARC as I'd read mixed reviews in AVS saying that many TV brands with ARC can be unreliable - and that some HDMI stereos don't play well with TV HDMI ARC. Yamaha stereos were mentioned as sometimes being a problem with ARC and that's what I have.

I hope some others here are using the ARC and can deny or confirm if ARC has reliability issues. If reliable, please provide details of what it took to get there.

I searched the TC-50PS64 pdf owner's manual for "CEC" and did not find it. However, I found some opinions in AVSForum that many or most devices using ARC are supposedly using some form of CEC but I can't confirm that.

Now my chance to get flamed: What is CEC, anyway? Ok, there, I said it. biggrin.gif

I'm using a Harmony 650 remote to turn on and off what I want with one button and control everything etc, and it's reliable. Heck, I even control my swamp cooler with it during warm seasons. However, the 650's are prone to screen cracking or so I've read... and unfortunately experienced. One small drop on carpet from a coffee table and CRACK. It's still fully functional but I'd rather the clear plastic display cover wouldn't do this.

I hope the above is of value - and moreover, that someone with more knowledge will fill in the gaps.
Edited by MountainMichael - 10/17/13 at 8:20pm
post #526 of 758
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post


First off, welcome to AVSForum and to this thread!

I cut the cord myself though I am currently using a PS3 to stream to my S64.

The TV has 2 HDMI ports and I believe it is HDMI port 2 that has ARC or audio return channel. The ARC can turn devices on and off via the HDMI connection if that is what you're referring to. I'm not using ARC as I'd read mixed reviews in AVS saying that many TV brands with ARC can be unreliable - and that some HDMI stereos don't play well with TV HDMI ARC. I hope some others here are using the ARC and can deny or verify this. If yes, details of how you made it reliable would be appreciated.

I searched the TC-50PS64 pdf owner's manual for "CEC" and did not find it. I found some opinion in AVSForum that many or most devices using ARC are using CEC but I can't confirm that.

I'm using a Harmony 650 remote to turn on what I want with one button, etc, and it's reliable. The 650's are prone to screen cracking or so I've read... and unfortunately experienced. One small drop on carpet and CRACK. It's still fully functional but ya' know.

I hope the above is of value - and moreover, that someone with more knowledge will fill in the gaps.

Thank you so much! thats at least a perfect start to what i need to know. I think the TV is a steal at 850.00 delivered. I've read only good things about its PQ, i just hope it does a decent job with the computer streaming. 

 

Thanks again,

post #527 of 758
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by abandonedcause View Post

Thank you so much! thats at least a perfect start to what i need to know. I think the TV is a steal at 850.00 delivered. I've read only good things about its PQ, i just hope it does a decent job with the computer streaming. 

Thanks again,

You're welcome.

In case you don't already have it, here is a link to the TC-50PS64 owner's manual called "The e-Help Guide" by Panasonic. fyi, Panny's website has been really slow tonight:

http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/E-HELP_PS64.PDF

Are you possibly located outside the US? The reason I ask is the price sounds high. My Dad and brother bought two TC-50PS64's last Sunday from CostCo Colorado Springs and they were $599.99 each without delivery.

If memory serves, I paid somewhere around $100?? for delivery 6 months ago and I live out in the sticks. However, that was NOT white glove delivery as that was not available here. And it was Sam's, not CostCo. I would personally recommend CostCo over Sam's and not just because it appears Sam's is at or nearing sold out. Customer service was way better at CostCo.

I think several people in here are using HTPC's (home theater pc's for gaming, streaming, etc) and they seem happy with the S64 for that. fairchild99 who has so generously shared so many settings from his 50S60 calibrations even gives notes on changes in those settings for HTPC's. Those settings are reported to work great on many S64's. However, just as the pro calibrators say, shared settings sometimes don't work out due to variances in panel production methods and/or parts used and aging, etc.

HTPC users: Will you please provide your opinions of your streaming experience using HTPC and S64? TIA!

Best of luck with whatever you buy and please feel free to ask any S64 follow up questions that may arise. Other than a couple bumps near the start of the thread, on balance, the various thread contributors have been very friendly and helpful here, IMHO. Personally, I sure appreciate that.

Micke
Edited by MountainMichael - 10/17/13 at 8:35pm
post #528 of 758
Thread Starter 
From the below quote in another thread, it appears to me that several terms may be used to describe HDMI stereo features that may be compatible with ARC.

Because of this, I now wonder if that is the case with CEC. In other words, do some HDMI stereos maybe call this CEC? If so, is it compatible with a TV with ARC?

"Update: In case anyone is watching this thread or has come here with a similar question, I was able to resolve my issue. The key was that my receiver (Denon AVR-591) refers to ARC as "HDMI Control". That feature was set to "Off" by default and I just had to turn it on using the Denon's onscreen setup tools."

Thread link:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1379467/cec-is-this-normal
post #529 of 758
Thread Starter 
Help needed:

Ok, first, I'm a bit ignorant of streaming directly to the S64 as I don't do that. I use a PS3 as the streaming device.

Here is what my Dad and brother are seeing with their TC-50PS64's:

When streaming Netflix AND Amazon directly to their S64's, the ZOOM feature of the S64 seems to be disabled.

Have I borked some setting or do these streaming providers intentionally make zoom when streaming directly to the S64 impossible? It seems like the latter right now, but I'm of course willing to consider the former.

If it's my PS3 as a streaming device that makes zooming the S64 to eliminate the often seen black bars possible, can someone suggest a blu ray player or Roku or other you like as a streaming device to get around this nonsense?

I've personally researched Roku's and blu ray players until I'm blue in the face including those with dedicated threads in AVS but the customer feedback is generally sub 4 star and I don't like to see anyone buy something that is frustrating to own or excessively failure prone...

I've tried setting to zoom in the pic menus in advance of loading Netflix or Amazon, but they go right to letter box aka, black bars.

Recap: Trying to enable zoom feature (preferably sidecut zoom) when streaming Netflix and Amazon directly to the S64 by ethernet cable.

Any advice appreciated!

Thanks,

mm
post #530 of 758
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

Help needed:

When streaming Netflix AND Amazon directly to their S64's, the ZOOM feature of the S64 seems to be disabled.

I have a Roku 2 XS and love it. In fact I prefer using it with Netflix because I noticed streaming directly to the Panny did not give that option whereas the Roku does give me those options. I get Full, Just, 4:3, Zoom, H-Fill, Sidecut Just and Sidecut Zoom.
post #531 of 758
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigpoppa206 View Post

I have a Roku 2 XS and love it. In fact I prefer using it with Netflix because I noticed streaming directly to the Panny did not give that option whereas the Roku does give me those options. I get Full, Just, 4:3, Zoom, H-Fill, Sidecut Just and Sidecut Zoom.

Info appreciated. Thank you.
post #532 of 758

I just picked up 65PS64 from Sam's last week. When it all was said and done I paid $440 before tax for it. It did have pretty heavy image retention, thus the discount. The IR came from the  Cirque Du Soleil Vegas DVD menu page. I have used Pixel Jogger to eliminate most of it but not all. The Orbiter was on it seems. All that is left is where the menu page crossed the same pixels no matter where the Orbitter off set the picture. We'll see over the next coupla months if it fades out. In normal viewing you have to look hard to see the IR. If you didn't know it was there you would have a hard time picking it out...easier to see on a light/white background.

 

I LOVE the panel! I am currently using the CNET settings. I will try FC's latest as the panel has nearly 1800 hrs...I got it at 1740. There is some popping as it cools, haven't really noticed any as it warms up.

 

I really like the CNET settings. Put them in Custom before I read that it does matter in which setting mode you modify. Seems weird to me that each setting is that different that it would effect it that way. That differences are baked into each setting and you can't copy the settings to different setting choice and it be an exact match. Seems a waste that you can't modify Vivid to something useful by putting Moshock's in it's place, CNET's in for Home Theater, etc. I just don't understand...beyond that I have enjoyed the panel very much.

 

I have updated the firmware as well. Very easy process. I am disappointed in a couple of areas. HDMI inputs. I have an older A/V receiver that does not receive the sound in the HDMI input just video and receives it via toslink and coax. So I have DISH into HDMI 1, Chromecast in HDMI 2, basic cable into coaxial input on the TV and toslink out to A/V receiver. Into the A/V goes Blu Ray-video to HDMI and audio to toslink, then HDMI/video out. I'll have to pull one of the other HDMI out of the S64 when I want to watch Blu Ray.

 

All in all I really like the TV! Beautiful panel! I will buy the WOW disc and use it's pixel flipper to see if I can degrade the IR further. Otherwise, for $440 I think I got a good deal!

 

I have enjoyed this thread and will skim through the S60 page as I have the opportunity.

 

If anyone has any suggestions for the IR beyond what I am already doing let me know.

 

Count me as one who does regret buying the panel. I was stuck between this and the 60ST60...am glad I got the 65PS64!

post #533 of 758

Hey everyone new guy here!  I picked a TC-P65S64 from an Ebay reseller new in box for $1250 included insured shipping.  

 

Im coming from a 55" Samsung LCD LED UN55C5000 which is an el cheapo late 2010 model.  I put 15,000 screen hours on that baby, and I'm ready to go back to a plasma!

 

 

I can't wait to get this baby in the 'ol living room, throw a hundred hours at it, and get some calibrating going!  I use Calman 5, but i only have a Spectra Cal C3 for a colorimeter.  I will happily post all my findings in the future for everyone!.

 

Cheers!

 

Sammy

post #534 of 758

Here is what I don't understand...FC99's Custom settings are not as comprehensive as the setting adjustments I have in the S64...

 

Quote:
 

Added this Custom version at request. Keep in mind, Custom will never be as accurate as Cinema when it comes to color accuracy with this particular model.

Picture Settings using HDMI for Cable HDTV (Optimum iO), and HTPC. The viewing environment is in a dark room and a viewing distance of 6-10 feet (although these settings also work for daytime viewing for me as long as room is able to be light controlled). Mascior's 4% APL window patterns were used with the 100% color 4% APL window patterns using my i1D2 colorimeter profiled against my Colormunki Photo spectrometer for accuracy. (38 ftl measured at 100 stimulus. average grayscale dE of 2.8 (7.1 at 20 stimulus and 5.7 at 30 stimulus). averag color dE of 0.94 with a measured gamma of 2.37)

Quote:
o Picture Mode : Custom
o Contrast : 85
o Brightness : 0
o Color : 46
o Tint : 0
o Sharpness : 0
o Color Temp : Warm2
o Vivid color : Off
o C.A.T.S. : Off
o Video NR : Off
o MPEG NR : Off

* Pro Settings
o Panel brightness : Mid
o AGC : 0
o Black extension : 0
o Color gamut : Normal

* W/B detail adjustment
o W/B high R : 2
o W/B high G : 0
o W/B high B : 0
o W/B low R : 0
o W/B low G : 0
o W/B low B : -1

* Color detail adjustment
o Red Hue : -5
o Red saturation : 0
o Red luminance : 0

o Green Hue : -1
o Green saturation : -12
o Green luminance : -1

o Blue Hue : 0
o Blue saturation : 2
o Blue luminance : 1

* Gamma detail adjustment
o Gamma : 2.4

* Advanced picture
o 1080p pixel direct : Off
o HDMI content type : Off
o HDMI/DVI RGB range : Standard
o Black level : Light

* Screen settings
o Screen format : Full
o Overscan : Off
o H size : Size 1

I have much more adjustment under Custom in the Color Detail Adjustment then he has listed. It looks just like the Cinema adjustments.

 

Is that just a difference in the panels? I am running the latest firmware but had those adjustments before hand as well. Does that mean Custom and Cinema can look the same?

 

Thanks!

 

Robbie

post #535 of 758
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by imanalien View Post

I just picked up 65PS64 from Sam's last week. When it all was said and done I paid $440 before tax for it. It did have pretty heavy image retention, thus the discount. The IR came from the  Cirque Du Soleil Vegas DVD menu page. I have used Pixel Jogger to eliminate most of it but not all. The Orbiter was on it seems. All that is left is where the menu page crossed the same pixels no matter where the Orbitter off set the picture. We'll see over the next coupla months if it fades out. In normal viewing you have to look hard to see the IR. If you didn't know it was there you would have a hard time picking it out...easier to see on a light/white background.

I LOVE the panel! I am currently using the CNET settings. I will try FC's latest as the panel has nearly 1800 hrs...I got it at 1740. There is some popping as it cools, haven't really noticed any as it warms up.

I really like the CNET settings. Put them in Custom before I read that it does matter in which setting mode you modify. Seems weird to me that each setting is that different that it would effect it that way. That differences are baked into each setting and you can't copy the settings to different setting choice and it be an exact match. Seems a waste that you can't modify Vivid to something useful by putting Moshock's in it's place, CNET's in for Home Theater, etc. I just don't understand...beyond that I have enjoyed the panel very much.

I have updated the firmware as well. Very easy process. I am disappointed in a couple of areas. HDMI inputs. I have an older A/V receiver that does not receive the sound in the HDMI input just video and receives it via toslink and coax. So I have DISH into HDMI 1, Chromecast in HDMI 2, basic cable into coaxial input on the TV and toslink out to A/V receiver. Into the A/V goes Blu Ray-video to HDMI and audio to toslink, then HDMI/video out. I'll have to pull one of the other HDMI out of the S64 when I want to watch Blu Ray.

All in all I really like the TV! Beautiful panel! I will buy the WOW disc and use it's pixel flipper to see if I can degrade the IR further. Otherwise, for $440 I think I got a good deal!

I have enjoyed this thread and will skim through the S60 page as I have the opportunity.

If anyone has any suggestions for the IR beyond what I am already doing let me know.

Count me as one who does regret buying the panel. I was stuck between this and the 60ST60...am glad I got the 65PS64!
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Originally Posted by imanalien View Post

Here is what I don't understand...FC99's Custom settings are not as comprehensive as the setting adjustments I have in the S64...

I have much more adjustment under Custom in the Color Detail Adjustment then he has listed. It looks just like the Cinema adjustments.

Is that just a difference in the panels? I am running the latest firmware but had those adjustments before hand as well. Does that mean Custom and Cinema can look the same?

Thanks!

Robbie

Hi, Robbie and welcome to AVS & this thread. I'm glad you've found this thread to be of use.

Your text said to count you as one who does regret buying the panel... did you mean does NOT regret...?? cool.gif

There is a lot of great info in the giant S60 thread. I haven't been following it in the past couple months, but I still go there and search for excellent info often.

Sounds like you got a whale of a deal on a TC-65PS64! Holy cow, man. I'd have snapped that up in a NY minute. I'm hoping pixel flipper will eliminate most or all of what you are seeing. You probably already know this, but I'll say it just in case: If you have stubborn IR, it is not out of line to run Pixel Flipper continuously overnight. It is considered by many to be by far the only truly effective IR eliminator. I've never needed to run it more than an hour, but then again, that was after letting Amazon's menu cook in for a single overnight.

Furthermore, I have a hunch that just regular old mixed content may help. Say it takes 3 or 6 months of regular content before it's gone? I think you still win with a steal like that! If I were you, maybe run flipper overnight 1 day a week for awhile and see what it can do. Regular content in between is what I would suggest. If you go 5 or 10 overnights of flipper and are not seeing noticeable improvement, maybe stop wasting your energy money on that and let normal content do the rest from there on out. Just my thoughts. More knowledgeable people in here than me may have some better suggestions.

My main point is probably this: In the S60 thread, I saw many people try other things than Disney Pixel Flipper... and they almost always either failed or were kind of a weak solution. Whereas, Pixel Flipper solved a lot of people's problems PRONTO. But that does not mean flipper is 100%. It appeared to me that some panels of the same make and model were simply more stubborn about IR. IOW, it varies.

As I was installing tunes on my brother's and Dad's 50PS64s, I noted that other inputs may have different amounts of available settings than the HDMI inputs. I believe fairchild99's listed shared settings were based on HDMI inputs.

OTOH, if your HDMI has more color detail settings available, I am wondering if maybe you have a higher model... ?? possibly an ST60? If so, that's a great panel, too. I owned one for about a month and loved it. Or maybe a GT50? Another excellent panel from what I've read.

I'm hoping maybe fairchild99 will see this and can help clarify.

Micke
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Hey everyone new guy here! I picked a TC-P65S64 from an Ebay reseller new in box for $1250 included insured shipping.

Im coming from a 55" Samsung LCD LED UN55C5000 which is an el cheapo late 2010 model. I put 15,000 screen hours on that baby, and I'm ready to go back to a plasma!


I can't wait to get this baby in the 'ol living room, throw a hundred hours at it, and get some calibrating going! I use Calman 5, but i only have a Spectra Cal C3 for a colorimeter. I will happily post all my findings in the future for everyone!.

Cheers!

Sammy

Sammy, welcome to AVS and this thread!

I initially paid 1350, fought tooth and nail with Sam's to get a 50 dollar price drop... and I finally got it. However, I still paid 100 clams or something for shipping. So it sounds like you got a great price!

I hope your new TC-65PS64 turns out to be everything you hoped for. I suggest you expect some break in time for plasma trailing (can add to big screen blurring on new plasmas until they are broken in) and initially excessively bright phosphors (dithering). Also, your minimum viewing distance should be somewhat greater with a 65 than with a 55 or such was my distinct opinion having owned both a 55" and a 65" panel recently. I consider 8 to 9 feet to be my personal minimum viewing distance with my 65. My 55 could have gone a foot or two closer than that. It's mainly bigger pixels that causes this, or so I think. In other words, 1920 x 1080 is obviously a finite number of pixels... so said pixels will be larger in a 65 than in a 55.

Make no mistake: I'm tickled pink that I went to a 65 because I freakin' love the added real estate! It's just that there is a slight downside to it, too. Personally, I would NOT go back.

As a point of reference, my eyes uncorrected are 20/20 left and 20/25 right. Someone with far better vision than average... say 20/15 both eyes - should probably plan on setting up a greater viewing distance. Maybe 10 feet or more for a 65 inch screen.

My TC-65PS64 has about maybe 800 or 900 hours on it and it has been magnificent IMHO from about 300 or 400 hours on. It continues to "wow" me daily. I mean, I literally pause the video and stare at it because I can't believe it.

Motion blurring from bad video content cannot be hidden on a 65", but I'm getting used to it. However, just like at the movie theater, if an idiot cinematographer starts flailing the camera wildly like it is a fire hose, I just close my eyes for a moment. Less so now. I'm sure you've read about how camera people should be more considerate knowing they are typically filming at an archaic 24p... Well, some do take this into account, others think nauseating blurring is a WONDERFUL effect.

Anyway, others have said: Plasmas generally handle motion better than LCD/LEDs if the prices are anywhere near similar.

Sammy and Robbie: I hope you will both post reviews of your panels after you get to know them for awhile. Pics appreciated, too!

If you post them elsewhere, I would be grateful if you would post links to your reviews in this thread.

Michael
Edited by MountainMichael - 10/23/13 at 8:27pm
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A note about fairchild99's settings on more recent S64's:

I've read a lot more often recently about people complaining that fairchild99's settings may look too red on their TC-50PS64's. Because of the number of posts, I totally believe it may be happening more often.

Possible reasons have been discussed a lot. I can't say I know any answers.

I would like to respectfully offer this:

2 weeks ago, my Dad and brother both bought TC-50PS64's. I wondered if either would show red with fairchild99's shared settings since there seems to be a trend in that direction lately.

However, to my eye, they did not.

Knowing that my Dad and brother are coming from TV's likely to be leaning towards an average 7000 or 7500k, I wondered what they would think. So I gave them some time with their new panels, then asked them.

Both had tried default settings against fairchild99's settings. Both remarked that they believe their screens with fairchild99's Cinema settings were (brother: "astounding" Dad: "Incredibly lifelike"). So probably we lucked out with a pair of new panels that responded well.

My personal view was that their 50's looked so amazing, I almost felt envious wondering if my 65 could possibly look that good. Fortunately, upon arriving home, T3 (my nickname for my 65) looked just as stunning as their 50's did... More so due to the added real estate. But trying to be objective, their 50's do look amazing.

Does this mean that I don't believe that some people are getting red or green push? No, no way. I've read too much saying that panels vary a LOT and far too many reports of red to even think about disagreeing.

I'm just counting us lucky that we got 3 in a row that look BEAUTIFUL with fairchild99's generously shared settings.

I wish shared settings could work for everyone, but that simply is not the case.

I suppose the word is: "Best of luck". If your panel is way off, you may have to home cook something or hire a pro calibration. While the latter is expensive, I have this hunch that would be truly maximizing what these amazing panels can do.

These are just my thoughts. Other opinions respected, welcomed and appreciated.

Michael
Edited by MountainMichael - 10/23/13 at 8:52pm
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MM,

 

It is a 65PS64...I must apologize I misread FC99's settings. I was comparing the Cinema and Custom and in Custom he put a blank gap between the Red, Green, Blue sections of Color Detail and in the Cinema they are blocked together no gaps. I went by how the format looked compared to Cinema not the content. My mistake.


Edited by imanalien - 10/24/13 at 5:51am
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MM,

It is a 65PS64...I must apologize I misread FC99's settings. I was comparing the Cinema and Custom and in Custom he put a line between the Red Green Blue sections Color Detail and  in the Cinema they are blocked together. I went by how the format looked compared to Cinema not the content. My mistake.

Robbie,

No worries.

I'm personally hoping Pixel flipper will save the day. That or just a few hundred hours of normal content.

Smokin' deal there, IMHO, and here's hoping it works out 100% for you!

On the basis of the so called "bathtub curve" of new electronics failures, I should think it is very well tested and highly unlikely to throw any kind of fault needing repairs in early or "mid-life" age.

mm

p.s.: There was a "Groupon" deal offered on the Disney Wow blu ray disk a couple months ago. It was listed in the S60 thread and I think I got my 2nd copy for something like 12 bucks. My Dad is getting that spare copy as he has a blu ray player whereas my brother does not.

Anyway, I doubt the "Groupon" group purchase is still on from back then... but maybe check the S60 thread to see if a later group purchase may be on...
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Why aren't CNET's settings for the S60/64 talked about more often? I actual prefer them to FC99's Cinema right now...I have Moshock's in Home Theater, CNET in Cinema ( had it in Custom ) and FC99's Custom set up in Custom.

 

I found FC99's latest Cinema set up to be a little dark and muted compared to CNET's I will continue to try his new settings as they come out though! I just wish some of his other settings were still up.

 

Otherwise, I think the 65PS64 panel is brilliant! I was looking at getting the 60ST60 as I wanted an HDTV that I would have for years to come. I tend to hang onto TV's for years. I main TV until recently was a CRT Sony WEGA. Still have it and will probably keep that heavy beast for gaming if I ever get back into that. Which I doubt. I think the 65PS64 has spoiled me for big panels for years to come!

 

Next purchase is to find a deal on a good AVR as my old Sony does not allow good connectivity. What I have is adequate. I have to do some creative connecting but otherwise I am ok for now.

 

I appreciate all the posts as they have helped me become very comfortable with my new set and only $440 for the TV helps! I will be getting the 3 year maintenance on it. I bought the 2 year but for $10 more I can get the 3 and as a Plus member at Sam's I get an extra year thrown in so 5 years (1 manu + 4 extended) of coverage for $40 dollars! Bought it on the Discover card got 6 months 0% and Discover also throws in an extra year of coverage too. Got warranty agreements coming out my ears!

 

I am really liking the TV and deal!

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Why aren't CNET's settings for the S60/64 talked about more often? I actual prefer them to FC99's Cinema right now...I have Moshock's in Home Theater, CNET in Cinema ( had it in Custom ) and FC99's Custom set up in Custom.

I found FC99's latest Cinema set up to be a little dark and muted compared to CNET's I will continue to try his new settings as they come out though! I just wish some of his other settings were still up...

I recall some people in the S60 thread saying they really liked CNET's settings. I can't remember if I tried them or not. On the basis of your observations, I want to give them a try. I probably will if I can ever get caught up on the garage and house "pre-winter" projects and a protracted Ford Mustang 'stereotomy'.

I'm a plus member at Sam's, too. I was unaware that having the plus membership added a year to the warranties. I bought with Visa and supposedly get an extra year for doing that. However, I found that I had to find and fill out online forms within I think 30 days of the purchase to get the added Visa year of protection. I don't know if Discover requires something like that or not. Visa's language about the free year of warranty coverage made me think it was automatic whereas I stumbled over some info saying I had to take steps to get it. I mention it fwiw since it felt a bit like a dodge on Visa's part.

At the conclusion of jumping through all their hoops, they didn't do so much as an acknowledgement email to confirm so I guess I'm assuming I have their extra year of coverage since I did everything they demanded.

I hadn't considered the impact of the super low price you got on lowering the cost of the warranty. Excellent double-dip savings there! S64's were already "bang-for-the-buck" champs, but that's a smokin' deal you found!

Please keep us up to date on what you think of the TV over time. Updates on how goes erasing the IR would be great, too. Here's hoping for success there. I personally believe that you will get rid of the IR without a lot of fuss.

Talk with ya' later,

mm
Edited by MountainMichael - 10/24/13 at 6:01pm
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