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Poll Results: Are you glad overall that you bought the PanasonicTC-xxPS64?

Poll expired: Jun 22, 2013  
  • 88% (22)
    Yes, totally glad.
  • 0% (0)
    No, I regret it.
  • 12% (3)
    I'm ambivalent. Serious doubts.
25 Total Votes  
post #571 of 758
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by davmrls View Post

I've had my TC-65PS64 for about 2 months now and just noticed that the picture doesn't fill the screen all the way around the borders. There is about of 1/4 inch of black border all the way around even when choosing any filling setting format. Is anyone having this same issue or is their a setting I can change to fill the borders? I'd really hate to have to take this tv back. Any information on this issue I am having would be greatly appreciated.

It's normal. Jeez, but you call that a defect? Really?
Edited by MountainMichael - 11/16/13 at 3:21am
post #572 of 758
This happens when using regular viewing from cable, hdmi...any type of viewing. My Samsung plasma doesn't have these black borders all around the edges. The picture viewing goes all the way to the edges on my Samsung. I hope someone can let me know if they are experiencing this same issue or not.
post #573 of 758
Thread Starter 
It's been covered a few times already.
Edited by MountainMichael - 11/16/13 at 3:22am
post #574 of 758
Thanks for the info Mountain Michael...
post #575 of 758
Quote:
Originally Posted by davmrls View Post

I've had my TC-65PS64 for about 2 months now and just noticed that the picture doesn't fill the screen all the way around the borders. There is about of 1/4 inch of black border all the way around even when choosing any filling setting format. Is anyone having this same issue or is their a setting I can change to fill the borders? I'd really hate to have to take this tv back. Any information on this issue I am having would be greatly appreciated.

Do you have a test patterns disc? The Disney WOW has a pattern that fills your screen pixel-for-pixel and has arrows that terminate at the edges, so you can see if it maps edge to edge to the bezel. Accidentally discovered I was in overscan mode that way... what you have is sort of the reverse of that, but the pattern could definitively tell you what's going on. That being said, I did notice during a Sunday Night Football broadcast (OTA NBC) a few weeks ago that there was a fair amount of black real estate at just the top of my screen. It was gone last week so that was definitely content related, but other than that no issues. I'd say if you run that test pattern (may even be able to download one online somewhere and stick it on a thumb drive) and see that it doesn't go edge to edge, you'd want an exchange/repair.
post #576 of 758
I'm going to have to purchase the disney WOW disk. Is it worth getting the 2 disk or will it be good to get the 1 disk Disney WOW? I wonder if I could use Dnice Slides to test?
Edited by davmrls - 11/7/13 at 4:05pm
post #577 of 758
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by davmrls View Post

Thanks for the info Mountain Michael...

YW. I don't know if the second version of Wow is better or not.
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Originally Posted by mwl001 View Post

Do you have a test patterns disc? The Disney WOW has a pattern that fills your screen pixel-for-pixel and has arrows that terminate at the edges, so you can see if it maps edge to edge to the bezel. Accidentally discovered I was in overscan mode that way... what you have is sort of the reverse of that, but the pattern could definitively tell you what's going on. That being said, I did notice during a Sunday Night Football broadcast (OTA NBC) a few weeks ago that there was a fair amount of black real estate at just the top of my screen. It was gone last week so that was definitely content related, but other than that no issues. I'd say if you run that test pattern (may even be able to download one online somewhere and stick it on a thumb drive) and see that it doesn't go edge to edge, you'd want an exchange/repair.

Interesting. I've seen Netflix occasionally doing something like this lately - sometimes adding maybe half inch black bars to the top and bottom of the screen. Not sure how much damage this might do during break in, but I only realized it was happening about a week ago. Not too worried about it; I've occasionally checked my screen for IR with slides and don't see any.
Edited by MountainMichael - 11/9/13 at 10:49am
post #578 of 758

So 48Hz flickers enough that I can easily see it.  Has anyone tried to force 72Hz over HDMI to see if the TV will handle it?

post #579 of 758
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

YW.
edit:

I just turned on the older version of Wow blu ray in my PS3. The perfectly defined & very uniform black border remains in the Wow main menu and in Pixel Flipper. I did not run any Wow test patterns.

I then plugged in D-Nice's slides on a USB flash drive. Same uniform border still present. I guess that rules out my PS3 needing a swift kick. biggrin.gif

Curious to know if anyone else is seeing it. Whether yes or no, I would appreciate it if you would state what your source, devices and video hookup are.



Thanks,

mm

This 1/4 inch black boarder is on all sides when using Comcast HDTV receiver, apple tv 2, Dlna from pc. It has it on all my sources. Curious to find out if this is normal for this model tv or is it time to call Costco to see if a tech can come by and check it out. Usually when techs don't know how to fix an issue, they will just say..."Well that is normal for these HDTV's. " Don't trust BB type techs. I hope it's not a defect.
post #580 of 758
Thread Starter 
dupe post
Edited by MountainMichael - 11/16/13 at 3:22am
post #581 of 758
I must have missed it....Thanks for the info...It's good to know that I didn't get a damaged set. I was getting ready to call in the troops. Oh well, I guess I have to get used to this unwanted feature! cool.gif
post #582 of 758
Thread Starter 
oops; dupe 2
Edited by MountainMichael - 11/16/13 at 3:23am
post #583 of 758
Thread Starter 
see also Randy's post on the border. Total non issue to most, apparently.
Edited by MountainMichael - 11/16/13 at 3:23am
post #584 of 758
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

Black border info found smile.gif

Ok, I FINALLY found one mention of it over in the ST60 thread linked below. I was sure I'd seen it in the S60 thread, but earlyheimer's tongue.gif and all that. At least I halfway remembered the date span... it was late March.

One guy even mentions it being 1/4" wide roughly and said it was also normal on the ST50's.

Appears it might be something that Panny does at least up to the ST60 model line. Unknown if it is present in the VT and ZT. Other makers may make the bezel wider to hide it... or...?

Anyway, link below. This topic begins at post 411; post 415 mentions 1/4" and ST50.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450484/official-panasonic-tc-pxxst60-series-thread/390
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Just finished reading page 14 of the link, and I guess it's normal. Your correct in saying that it still is not a deal breaker. I love the picture quality on this SET. Once again, Thanks Mountain Michael for spending the time to research this topic and finding the page link for me. It reassures me that nothing is mechanically wrong with this great HD Plasma Set. After a while, I'm sure I won't even notice it. I learn so much from this great Forum( AVS)!! biggrin.gif Time to go and enjoy my TV....
post #585 of 758
Thread Starter 
Ok
Edited by MountainMichael - 11/16/13 at 3:23am
post #586 of 758

Not sure if this has been posted yet but CNET released their PQ settings for the 65" S64 yesterday:   http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-605136/panasonic-tc-p65s64-picture-settings/?messageId=5515862#message5515862

post #587 of 758

Do you guys like to use the color temperature "Warm 2"?  CNET seems to like to use Warm 2 for these Panny's.  For my ST50 at least, when I put it on Warm 2, the picture is just, well...  too warm.  I like it on Normal.  Does anyone know why CNET seems to prefer Warm 2 so much?

post #588 of 758
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Originally Posted by mraya77 View Post

Do you guys like to use the color temperature "Warm 2"?  CNET seems to like to use Warm 2 for these Panny's.  For my ST50 at least, when I put it on Warm 2, the picture is just, well...  too warm.  I like it on Normal.  Does anyone know why CNET seems to prefer Warm 2 so much?

Warm 2 is on most models, Pannys and Samsungs, closest to the standard that's being targeted when calibrating. Starting on Warm 2 means they have to make fewer (smaller) adjustments to hit the target.
post #589 of 758
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Originally Posted by willieconway View Post


Warm 2 is on most models, Pannys and Samsungs, closest to the standard that's being targeted when calibrating. Starting on Warm 2 means they have to make fewer (smaller) adjustments to hit the target.


Thanks.  On that note, it also seems that CNET prefers more often than not to have the panel brightness set on "Low".  I guess for the same reason as you state.

post #590 of 758
Thread Starter 
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1474301/panasonic-tc-65ps64-and-tc-50ps64-owners-poll/360

From what I've read, panels vary a lot so I'm guessing warm2 isn't going to work best on every S64.
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Originally Posted by willieconway View Post

Warm 2 is on most models, Pannys and Samsungs, closest to the standard that's being targeted when calibrating. Starting on Warm 2 means they have to make fewer (smaller) adjustments to hit the target.

That is my understanding, too.
Edited by MountainMichael - 11/16/13 at 3:24am
post #591 of 758
Quote:
Originally Posted by davmrls View Post

I've had my TC-65PS64 for about 2 months now and just noticed that the picture doesn't fill the screen all the way around the borders. There is about of 1/4 inch of black border all the way around even when choosing any filling setting format. Is anyone having this same issue or is their a setting I can change to fill the borders? I'd really hate to have to take this tv back. Any information on this issue I am having would be greatly appreciated.

It's normal and has been present on almost all Panasonic Plasma models for the past 14 years - there is nothing wrong with your TV.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450484/official-panasonic-tc-pxxst60-series-thread/8940#post_23904417
post #592 of 758

My plasma has been great for movies but when I watch hockey, the ABL kicks in hard

 

I am on Cinema mode and have CATS turned off.  Is there any way to reduce this effect because it's really disappointing to have grey whites.

post #593 of 758
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Originally Posted by mraya77 View Post

Not sure if this has been posted yet but CNET released their PQ settings for the 65" S64 yesterday:   http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-605136/panasonic-tc-p65s64-picture-settings/?messageId=5515862#message5515862

these settings are awesome, thanks for the link
post #594 of 758
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Originally Posted by ChronoReverse View Post
 

My plasma has been great for movies but when I watch hockey, the ABL kicks in hard

 

I am on Cinema mode and have CATS turned off.  Is there any way to reduce this effect because it's really disappointing to have grey whites.


I am reading more and more about folks who are having this type of issue with their S60/S64.  I don't have an answer for you but I too would like to hear from others about this.  Perhaps your contrast is turned up too high and when something bright (white) is on the screen, the TV's ABL kicks in???

 

By the way, do you have the 50" or the 65" S64?

post #595 of 758

Hello... AGAIN All...

Was a member for years but got  "disconnected"  for a few years and had to start all over with a  new account.

 

I'm no guru, believe me, have had my set for 757 hrs so far, and I've found that if you go to ECO mode and disable ALL power-saving settings, it seems to reduce this issue.

I haven't really seen it happen afterwards,  that I can recall,  but then again.... I don't watch hockey :)

post #596 of 758
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Originally Posted by mraya77 View Post
 


I am reading more and more about folks who are having this type of issue with their S60/S64.  I don't have an answer for you but I too would like to hear from others about this.  Perhaps your contrast is turned up too high and when something bright (white) is on the screen, the TV's ABL kicks in???

 

By the way, do you have the 50" or the 65" S64?


I have the 50"

 

I've reduced my contrast and that reduces the effect a little.  All the Eco settings have already been turned off.  This is the only thing that bothers me but I think for some users this would be deal-breaking.

 

I'll try panel brightness "low" instead of "mid" later to see if it improves it some more.  I don't think I want to have the screen any dimmer though.

post #597 of 758
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Originally Posted by ChronoReverse View Post
 


I have the 50"

 

I've reduced my contrast and that reduces the effect a little.  All the Eco settings have already been turned off.  This is the only thing that bothers me but I think for some users this would be deal-breaking.

 

I'll try panel brightness "low" instead of "mid" later to see if it improves it some more.  I don't think I want to have the screen any dimmer though.


How do you find the ABL when you are not watching hockey?

post #598 of 758
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Originally Posted by mraya77 View Post
 


How do you find the ABL when you are not watching hockey?

I haven't watched any movies featuring white snow fields so it's been wonderful.  I didn't even notice the ABL issue until I watched a hockey game =(

post #599 of 758
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Originally Posted by ChronoReverse View Post
 

I haven't watched any movies featuring white snow fields so it's been wonderful.  I didn't even notice the ABL issue until I watched a hockey game =(


Understood.  Yeah, based on what I have read, there is nothing you can do about the ABL except perhaps tweak the contrast and/or brightness levels to help make the ABL not so obvious.  That's just a guess though.  Not sure if you can return your TV at this point but I hear the ST60's ABL behavior is definitely not as harsh as the S60/S64's ABL behavior.  But what I don't know is how much better the ST60's ABL is compared to the S60/S64 - not sure if the difference is minor or major.


Edited by mraya77 - 11/12/13 at 3:45pm
post #600 of 758
Thread Starter 
6 months and 600 posts before non owner mechman came back (as fake noob?) railing about abl, eh?
Edited by MountainMichael - 11/16/13 at 3:26am
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