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Poll Results: Are you glad overall that you bought the PanasonicTC-xxPS64?

Poll expired: Jun 22, 2013  
  • 88% (22)
    Yes, totally glad.
  • 0% (0)
    No, I regret it.
  • 12% (3)
    I'm ambivalent. Serious doubts.
25 Total Votes  
post #61 of 758
Thread Starter 
Links to some S60 & S64 reviews by AVS members:

Over time, post edits in the thread will cause the below linked pages and listed post numbers to be off a bit. If the below links and post numbers don't take you precisely to the review, please scan each direction a little and you'll find them.

S60 Reviews:

midkay's excellent comparo - ownership experience of S60 & ST60 - also see excellent Q&A action in the couple of pages following midkay's initial writeup. Post 406:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461177/official-panasonic-s60-series-discussion-thread/390

El Matadurr's 60S60 review. I found it to be of value.

Post 944.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461177/official-panasonic-s60-series-discussion-thread/930

iRONic831's review with pics - post 804:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461177/official-panasonic-s60-series-discussion-thread/780

fairchild99's 50S60 review is located on page 2 at post 52 of this thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1474301/panasonic-tc-65ps64-and-tc-50ps64-owners-poll/30

S64 Reviews:

m9610172's 65PS64 review - with pics - post 1437:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461177/official-panasonic-s60-series-discussion-thread/1410

My S64 review is linked on page 1 post 1 of this thread. Here is a later update to that review - post 1715:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461177/official-panasonic-s60-series-discussion-thread/1710

And this one is essentially an excellent 50PS64 review with brilliant pics by jchristian79 post 1933:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461177/official-panasonic-s60-series-discussion-thread/1920

Addendum to jchristian79's review with more pics - post 1970:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461177/official-panasonic-s60-series-discussion-thread/1950

Maybe not a formal review, but a lot of good initial details from mphfrom77 about his 65PS64 - post 2031:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461177/official-panasonic-s60-series-discussion-thread/2010

If anyone sees their review linked here and you don't want it here, please pm me and I'll take it down.

Conversely, if you don't see your review linked here and you're willing to contribute it, I would appreciate it if you would make a post with a link to your review along with the post number and which size/model your TV is.

Thank you,


mm
Edited by MountainMichael - 8/9/13 at 2:10pm
post #62 of 758
I finally decided to pull the trigger on the TC-P65S64 tonight and want to thank all the members here for helping make this decision. I knew that I wanted a 65-inch and I just couldn't ignore the value of this set for the money. Contemplated on the ST60 at the last second but I couldn't justify spending the extra money so instead will use the savings on upgrading to tower speakers, adding a blu-ray, and a new tv stand to complete the upgrade. biggrin.gif
post #63 of 758
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tubayj View Post

I finally decided to pull the trigger on the TC-P65S64 tonight and want to thank all the members here for helping make this decision. I knew that I wanted a 65-inch and I just couldn't ignore the value of this set for the money. Contemplated on the ST60 at the last second but I couldn't justify spending the extra money so instead will use the savings on upgrading to tower speakers, adding a blu-ray, and a new tv stand to complete the upgrade. biggrin.gif

Congrats!
post #64 of 758
Are most people using fairchild's setting for their s64? Also, what is the standard initial break in period? Whats the best way to break it in?

Just purchased one, and should be at the house by Monday!
post #65 of 758
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by taarobaap View Post

Are most people using fairchild's setting for their s64? Also, what is the standard initial break in period? Whats the best way to break it in?

Just purchased one, and should be at the house by Monday!

taarobaap,

Congrats! Here's hoping you fall head over heels for it like most of us. biggrin.gif

fairchild99 said he broke his S60 in on normal content but limited black bars and static screen logos at first, I believe. So that is what I did with my S64. I also ran slides part time, but began to believe it may have been increasing red push, so I stopped slides at 66 hours. I can't prove my slides hypothesis on the red push; I just followed my instincts... and for whatever actual reason, it went away.


Speaking of settings, fairchild99 pm'd me asking if I would post a link to his settings in this thread. I'm glad to do so.

An aside: As for nomenclature: From what I gather, it is a "calibration" performed on fairchild99's set because he proved everything out with meters, measurements, adjustments and graphs to back it up. Whereas, these become "shared settings" when shared on other's sets. I haven't seen a lot of people's feet held to the fire for the difference in these terms and I wouldn't personally care, just sayin' it matters to some people. Maybe especially to pro calibrators, and with good reason.

fairchild99's calibrations as possible "shared settings" for our S64's - post 1310:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461177/official-panasonic-s60-series-discussion-thread/1290#post_23290695

So far, when fairchild99 has worked up newer/better settings, he goes back to that same post 1310 and changes whichever (Cinema or Custom) to the new settings with a new description and graphs.

Sincere thanks to fairchild99 for sharing his extensive work benefiting owners of many S60 variants (including the S64).

Edited by MountainMichael - 8/9/13 at 1:39pm
post #66 of 758
Thanks a lot everyone, just pulled the trigger and purchased online. I will be returning my LG 60PA6550 (which I really like) for a price difference of around $600 for the upgrade quality and size. I felt it was worth it, hopefully it was! Thanks again for the good info, I will post a review once I set it up.
post #67 of 758
Thread Starter 
hock20,

Congrats!

Looking forward to reading your review after you get to know your new TV.

mm
post #68 of 758
Quote:
Originally Posted by tubayj View Post

I finally decided to pull the trigger on the TC-P65S64 tonight and want to thank all the members here for helping make this decision. I knew that I wanted a 65-inch and I just couldn't ignore the value of this set for the money. Contemplated on the ST60 at the last second but I couldn't justify spending the extra money so instead will use the savings on upgrading to tower speakers, adding a blu-ray, and a new tv stand to complete the upgrade. biggrin.gif


How do you think this set will perform in a room that is bright from sunlight.
post #69 of 758
I don't know about a room with no coverings over the window, but in a room with lots of ambient daylight (I have 3 huge 48" wide west facing windows and one north facing window about 40" wide opposite and slightly offset from the TV in my house with bright Colorado sun (300+ days at high altitude) and keep the shades drawn almost all the time, but plenty of light gets through the mini-blinds). At the brightest time of the afternoon/evening with the sun at a low angle, there is noticeable mini-blind reflection on the screen, but it does not wash out the picture to make it unwatchable like on my old 34" CRT during afternoon Broncos games. I hope to get around to downloading and posting some pictures of the reflections some time, but feel they are not representative of reality as the camera seems to focus and magnify the reflection exponentially with the flash off (it makes it look unwatchably washed out). Someone in the S60 thread, I believe, posted pictures of the set (can't remember if it was an S60 or S64) in his pool house with no window coverings and floor to ceiling windows and doors on all sides complained that it was nearly unwatchable. I think if you are not going to have any window coverings at all, only an LCD would work for you.

I'm a night owl, but will probably do a home improvement project this summer to install black out curtains in the living/dining and bedrooms to improve the occasional daytime viewing as well as to save on my A/C bill and be able to sleep better in the daytime on weekends.

Funny thing is I went to a technical presentation a few evenings ago, and it was in a conference room with a row of western facing skylights the entire length of the ceiling/wall that nearly completely washed out the over head projection onto a whiteboard. What were the architectural/interior designers thinking??? eek.gif I see a future retrofit of motor-driven opaque panels to cover the skylights as needed...
post #70 of 758
Thread Starter 
Looks like a 3rd vote was made for ambivalent, serious doubts.

While many of those voting "totally glad, no regrets" posted highly detailed comments validating their votes, it appears that thus far none voting ambivalent have posted comments.

If this latest is a real vote by an actual owner, would appreciate it if you would post your observations so that we might know if perhaps 1 of those 3 ambivalent votes might turn out to be real.

Real S64 owner votes & input welcomed and appreciated.
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/22/13 at 10:28pm
post #71 of 758
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by oinchats View Post

How do you think this set will perform in a room that is bright from sunlight.

Agree with HDTimeShifter.

Some other thoughts:

As others have said, the AR filter seems very effective for overhead lighting. Regarding glare from the sides:

I had to black out one small window that was at a critical angle with my 55ST60 because the glare getting around the curtains was right in the middle of the screen. My 65PS64 also requires this one window to be blacked out. I suspect a medium solar screen would have also worked on this window if I couldn't tolerate a total black out on it.

Other windows that are not at an extremely poor angle are much less of a problem. In fact, I keep several windows with curtains open during the day with no glare problems. Using fairchild99's later/brighter settings, the picture is impressive even with sunshine pouring in. Of course there isn't as much pop as at night, but it is certainly brighter than my old 36" CRT was.

Just sayin': If a window is at just the wrong angle, it might require some treatment.

The AR filter on the S64's still leaves the screen pretty shiny. It is, in my opinion, a pretty light rendition of an AR filter. I think that is probably good because if they made it a very aggressive AR filter, it might suppress more glare but I suspect most buyers would not accept the negative impact on PQ.

I think Panny nailed it... yet having said that, I had to treat one window due to glare.

I believe that my S64's AR filter is about the same as what I saw on my former 55ST60.
post #72 of 758
Thread Starter 
The voting poll expired yesterday.

Results:

22 voted: "Total glad I purchased an S64"

Zero voted: "Regret purchasing an S64". This speaks volumes, IMO.

3 'voted': "Ambivalent, serious doubts." However, after repeated invitation, none of these alleged owners posted comments. Because none of these posted comments, some believe these were not S64 owners at all. I'm of this opinion myself.

Count the above as you believe true. At present, I believe it to be 100% of owners totally glad for the purchase of their S64's. 3 ambivalent votes by non-owners should probably be disqualified.

The vote can be continued as follows:

Post your detailed comments and a picture of your S64 with your vote. We'll reduce the vote to 2 choices: "Glad I purchased it" or "Not glad I purchased it." Any owner who posts a picture of their S64 with detailed comments will have their vote added to the running tally by me. I'll keep that tally IRT by posting after each detailed vote/owner input.

Context:

IMHO, there is no such thing as a 'perfect' TV. I believe the 100% positive OWNER's voting response in this thread is essentially people saying that at this price point, this TV is very hard to beat.

Do the S64's have some minor flaws? Yes, of course they do. But then, so does every TV in existence so far as I know.
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/23/13 at 12:26am
post #73 of 758
Does this tv do 24p when whatching blueray. Also I leave my over head light on but they are lo wattage like 60 watts. Will this cause a problem. I am looking at the 65" to replace my 50" pioneer the 8g elite 1150.
Thanks
Allen
post #74 of 758
Quote:
Originally Posted by DekPM19 View Post

Does this tv do 24p when whatching blueray. Also I leave my over head light on but they are lo wattage like 60 watts. Will this cause a problem. I am looking at the 65" to replace my 50" pioneer the 8g elite 1150.

The AR filter is designed to prevent glare from overhead lights.

The TV doesn't have a 24p setting - you should set your BluRay to do the conversion and output 60p.
post #75 of 758
Thanks after reading some of the reviews I saw that.
Allen
post #76 of 758
Thread Starter 
Allen,

The S60/64 can do 24p direct in conversion to 60hz or 48hz.

Menu - picture - advanced picture. It'll be grayed out until 24p content is being input, then the text will be full white (available to be selected). You should be able to select 60hz or 48hz conversion. 3:2 pulldown should then also be available versus greyed out.

However, one S60 review and owner input says letting the TV do the conversion to 60hz will probably cause some judder. The 24p judder workarounds to reduce that:

Either have the blu ray player do the 24p to 60hz conversion or have the TV convert it to 48hz. Some feel the latter helps smooth the judder but causes excessive flicker, some don't think the flicker is a bother.

I personally thought 48hz caused too much flicker on mostly bright scenes, but I may try it again. Right now, I'm having my PS3 do the 24p conversion to 60hz and I'm liking it.

fwiw,

mm
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/24/13 at 9:52pm
post #77 of 758
Thanks
I went to my SAMs yesterday and they don't have any of the Panasonic plasmas on hand. I had a 60" ut50 in my tv room last year and the reflections didn't bother me so I would guess the 65" s64 would be good in my room.
Thanks
Allen
post #78 of 758
Thanks for this thread, I am close to getting one of these. I'll probably stop by Costco later this week to check it out, they did not have it a month ago.
post #79 of 758
My Sam's Club nor Costco carried this in stock, so I ordered off their website, and the delivery went smoothly. Now just waiting to move into new place so i can mount this baby biggrin.gif:D! Anyone know the best way to mount into steel studs?
post #80 of 758
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdog73 View Post

Thanks for this thread, I am close to getting one of these. I'll probably stop by Costco later this week to check it out, they did not have it a month ago.

mdog73,

YW. I hope you really dig the S64.

Please remember in warehouse lighting, the LED's will ALWAYS look brighter. Whereas, the picture of the plasma with fairchild99's fine tunes should look much richer and more realistic in any normal viewing environment (e.g., not in a bright store) without all the LED common problems.

His latest 2 tunes are pretty darned bright, too. Not overdriven or cartoon like as when the panel is in torch mode, but definitely not dim IMHO.

I'm at 2 months and 400 hours now and I continue to be wowed by the panel. I continue to like it better than the other panel model I'd tried first. And I thought that one was pretty darned good, too.

mm
post #81 of 758
I ended up deciding on the 65s64. It's going to be a little cramped on my wall once I get my Mythos nines installed, but it should work. Can't wait to get it next week!
post #82 of 758
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Originally Posted by Shepx13 View Post

I ended up deciding on the 65s64. It's going to be a little cramped on my wall once I get my Mythos nines installed, but it should work. Can't wait to get it next week!

In the same boat, mine comes on Monday and I will have less than .5" total left with the panel in my built-in entertainment system. I sure hope the specs are dead on for width! I'll post pics once it's in.
post #83 of 758
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Originally Posted by hock20 View Post

In the same boat, mine comes on Monday and I will have less than .5" total left with the panel in my built-in entertainment system. I sure hope the specs are dead on for width! I'll post pics once it's in.

Wow, I'm not THAT squeezed for space :-) Hope it fits!
post #84 of 758
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shepx13 View Post

I ended up deciding on the 65s64. It's going to be a little cramped on my wall once I get my Mythos nines installed, but it should work. Can't wait to get it next week!

Quote:
Originally Posted by hock20 View Post

In the same boat, mine comes on Monday and I will have less than .5" total left with the panel in my built-in entertainment system. I sure hope the specs are dead on for width! I'll post pics once it's in.

Congrats to you both! My theater required some mods due to panel size, but I'm sure glad I went big now.

Here's hoping your panels arrive in pristine condition and are a good fit for you. After some time when you've gotten to know your S64's, sure would appreciate it if you would post your reviews or links to same in the thread.

Thanks,

mm
post #85 of 758
Hello all, long time reader first time poster. Just had to do it to say that the 65s64 is awesome! I have mine up and running break-in, probably got 50 hours on it. Looks awesome, using one of Fairchild's older calibrations, just looked better on my set than his latest one. I have no regrets! Crossing my fingers because I have no popping or REALLY loud buzzing happening. Running it with Energy take 5.1 surround that I got for a steal. Couldn't be happier.

Oh and for those still on the fence about it I just noticed that Costco online only has 14 in stock right now. There was a rumour this might be a limited run, but I'm sure it won't be since they are selling out without making it to all the Costco's. I know there weren't any in my state of Washington. It's just to good a deal for the size and PQ, nothing comes close. Thanks to everyone on this thread and the s60 thread for all the help and info!
post #86 of 758
Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post


Congrats to you both! My theater required some mods due to panel size, but I'm sure glad I went big now.

Here's hoping your panels arrive in pristine condition and are a good fit for you. After some time when you've gotten to know your S64's, sure would appreciate it if you would post your reviews or links to same in the thread.

Thanks,

mm

Will do, thanks!

Quote:
Originally Posted by ajmfuller View Post

Hello all, long time reader first time poster. Just had to do it to say that the 65s64 is awesome! I have mine up and running break-in, probably got 50 hours on it. Looks awesome, using one of Fairchild's older calibrations, just looked better on my set than his latest one. I have no regrets! Crossing my fingers because I have no popping or REALLY loud buzzing happening. Running it with Energy take 5.1 surround that I got for a steal. Couldn't be happier.

Oh and for those still on the fence about it I just noticed that Costco online only has 14 in stock right now. There was a rumour this might be a limited run, but I'm sure it won't be since they are selling out without making it to all the Costco's. I know there weren't any in my state of Washington. It's just to good a deal for the size and PQ, nothing comes close. Thanks to everyone on this thread and the s60 thread for all the help and info!

Awesome, thanks for posting. When I purchased mine last week there were 85 left in stock online. They are going quick and are a featured item now on Costco.com home page!
post #87 of 758
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ajmfuller View Post

Hello all, long time reader first time poster. Just had to do it to say that the 65s64 is awesome! I have mine up and running break-in, probably got 50 hours on it. Looks awesome, using one of Fairchild's older calibrations, just looked better on my set than his latest one. I have no regrets! Crossing my fingers because I have no popping or REALLY loud buzzing happening. Running it with Energy take 5.1 surround that I got for a steal. Couldn't be happier.

Oh and for those still on the fence about it I just noticed that Costco online only has 14 in stock right now. There was a rumour this might be a limited run, but I'm sure it won't be since they are selling out without making it to all the Costco's. I know there weren't any in my state of Washington. It's just to good a deal for the size and PQ, nothing comes close. Thanks to everyone on this thread and the s60 thread for all the help and info!

ajmfuller,

Welcome to AVSForum!

Thank you very much for posting your observations. smile.gif

fwiw in case you see it, my S64 started the popping at 230 (? +/- I can't remember exactly now) hours. It was minor even then and I'd probably not have noticed it or I'd have thought it was extremely well controlled for such a large panel had I not read about it in the S60 thread - and then gone all OCD on it. wink.gif I did the bezel screw "loosen then lightly snug" and it reduced the magnitude to insignificance and usually only during warmup and cool down.

Mostly, I can only hear it with the sound off. I ran it 12 hours yesterday and don't remember any pops. Now at about 400 hours, the already insignificant magnitude has reduced even more. Very glad it's not going the other way. biggrin.gif

Please feel free to post your added observations over time. Input from all is valued and appreciated here.
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/27/13 at 3:44pm
post #88 of 758
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

my S64 started the popping at 230 (? +/- I can't remember exactly now) hours. It was minor even then and I'd probably not have noticed it or I'd have thought it was extremely well controlled for such a large panel had I not read about it in the S60 thread - and then gone all OCD on it. wink.gif I did the bezel screw "loosen then lightly snug" and it reduced the magnitude to insignificance and usually only during warmup and cool down.

Mostly, I can only hear it with the sound off. I ran it 12 hours yesterday and don't remember any pops. Now at about 400 hours, the already insignificant magnitude has reduced even more. Very glad it's not going the other way.

Oh crap, I thought the popping sounds started right away. I think I only have about 100 hours on mine...
post #89 of 758
Yeah they are going quick buy my local can't seem to get rid of their 55ut50's which is what I had before returning it for the bigger s64 with AR filter. It was a great tv but to much glare for me and a little small. I can't believe I'm saying a 55 is to small considering I used to think 32 was huge! They have 12 of the ut50's and are are selling them at $599 and they still aren't moving. Now that is just crazy!
post #90 of 758
Thanks! Yeah I read your previous post on that and that is why I am crossing my fingers. I am definitely not going to mess with the bezel. Hope it never happens, I know if it doesn't drive me crazy it will drive my wife crazy! Glad to hear if it does 'pop' up that it should decrease over time. Has this always been an issue with plasma panels or is this something new to the s60/64?
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