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Poll Results: Are you glad overall that you bought the PanasonicTC-xxPS64?

Poll expired: Jun 22, 2013  
  • 88% (22)
    Yes, totally glad.
  • 0% (0)
    No, I regret it.
  • 12% (3)
    I'm ambivalent. Serious doubts.
25 Total Votes  
post #601 of 758

This is actually a difficult task because it's not so much the white goes grey but that the entire screen dims.  I don't have anything other than my phone so I can't use the same exposure settings for both pictures.  In which case, the pictures won't show the difference properly.

 

Again, it will only happen if you have something that puts white on almost the entire screen.  Otherwise the whites are nice and bright.

post #602 of 758
Thread Starter 
I've gotta stop with dupe info, eh? covered on 1st page of thread.
Edited by MountainMichael - 11/16/13 at 3:27am
post #603 of 758
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Originally Posted by mraya77 View Post
 

Not sure if this has been posted yet but CNET released their PQ settings for the 65" S64 yesterday:   http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-605136/panasonic-tc-p65s64-picture-settings/?messageId=5515862#message5515862


Thanks for the post! I like those settings!!! I have tried many...used CNET's for the 50S60 and liked them, used FC99 for thought they were a little dim but still liked them ok, tried some others and never really had any that popped. Running FC99's Custom settings and like those. Right now running CNET's for 65PS64 on Cinema and really like it!

 

Update on IR/Burn In: As some know I got the 65PS64 from Sam's as a display model that has major IR. I have been running Pixel Jogger, Pixel Flipper, the swipe from the IR/Burn In thread, and a little of D'Nice's slides.

 

Running Swipe on Vivid has really faded the IR but when put on any other setting it is faded but can be seen easier. That's why I started running D'Nice's slides...just to see on what colors was it easiest to see and just to do it to see if it would help.

 

Flipper won't run more than 30 minutes for me because of the Sony Blu Ray player and it's issue with it. I have run it but while working, reset every 26 minutes before it shuts off.

 

Stopped using jogger as it gives me a headache...

 

I think it will eventually come out. Just will take longer than I hoped. But I ain't complaining as the TV+Service Agreement+Tax=$503

post #604 of 758

Just FYI for what it's worth - I was talking to one of the reviewers from Rtings.com and he said that he measured the white color output for S60/S64 at 56 cd/m2.  Being a total rookie and not knowing if that is good or bad, I asked him if he considers that to be average, below average, etc. and he said and I quote, "Below average. In fact, (in that respect) it is the worst plasma that we tested in 2013 so far. 90 is the average".  He also said he considers the S60/S64 ABL performance to be "Below average, mostly because you need to set the cell luminosity to the max to compensate for the dim white, so it fluctuates even more."

post #605 of 758
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Originally Posted by mraya77 View Post

Just FYI for what it's worth - I was talking to one of the reviewers from Rtings.com and he said that he measured the white color output for S60/S64 at 56 cd/m2.  Being a total rookie and not knowing if that is good or bad, I asked him if he considers that to be average, below average, etc. and he said and I quote, "Below average. In fact, (in that respect) it is the worst plasma that we tested in 2013 so far. 90 is the average".  He also said he considers the S60/S64 ABL performance to be "Below average, mostly because you need to set the cell luminosity to the max to compensate for the dim white, so it fluctuates even more."

Gahh that's not cool.. I've heard a lot of people complaining it's dim and just assumed they were coming from neon LEDs.. but looking at the stats the F5300 is a good 33% brigher than the S60..
post #606 of 758
The whites are absolutely fine unless you are a hockey nut

The picture on this TV is gorgeous.
post #607 of 758

Yeah, even though the S60/S64 does not technically rate high in its white output, I think all that really matters in the end is how it looks in real life.  Hey Chrono, when it comes to watching hockey, how "bad" is the dimmed picture, in your view?  We know that the picture goes more dim when the screen has all that white on it, but how bad is it from your perspective?  Even though it dims, is the picture quality still acceptable in your eyes or is it really bothersome to you?

post #608 of 758

So, at this point, a lot of you have now garnered a lot of viewing hours on your S64's.

 

For those of you who have a lot of viewing experience clocked in with your S64, I would imagine you have watched a bunch of movies by now.  That said, how have you found your 24p performance overall?

 

Also, how are you finding the overall motion blur performance with regular tv watching and DVD's (24p and non-24p)?

post #609 of 758
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Originally Posted by angle_theory View Post

The whites are absolutely fine unless you are a hockey nut

The picture on this TV is gorgeous.

That feel when about 1/3 the TV's use will go to hockey and another 1/3 to games.. probably a lot of hockey games there too.

Well looks like the S60 is out..

Might have to look at the F5300 with more seriousness, or actually go for a VT60/F8500..
post #610 of 758

Hockey fans - Take this for what it is worth...I have read a lot of the Panny threads and somewhere in all that this complaint about the hockey ice not being white has come up and a couple of other hockey guys pointed out that the ice is not actually white but more light gray in real life, not a bright white. I thought back to my hockey days as a kid and the ice I was on was never a "snow" white.

 

I have found the S64 to be plenty bright for my setting and hope it will continue to be when we move. I am in a great room with windows facing west that puts it to the right of the 64, properly angled blinds are normally enough to adjust lighting. The Kitchen is the biggest issue as it is behind and to the left of dead center of the screen, so when those lights are on it isn't bad but you can notice them if you choose to.

 

The picture is georgeous! Deep.

 

I am still not sure about the "24" that everyone speaks about with blu ray...will have to look further into it. So far not much blu ray watching DISH and Chromecast mainly.

post #611 of 758
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Originally Posted by imanalien View Post

Hockey fans - Take this for what it is worth...I have read a lot of the Panny threads and somewhere in all that this complaint about the hockey ice not being white has come up and a couple of other hockey guys pointed out that the ice is not actually white but more light gray in real life, not a bright white. I thought back to my hockey days as a kid and the ice I was on was never a "snow" white.

I have found the S64 to be plenty bright for my setting and hope it will continue to be when we move. I am in a great room with windows facing west that puts it to the right of the 64, properly angled blinds are normally enough to adjust lighting. The Kitchen is the biggest issue as it is behind and to the left of dead center of the screen, so when those lights are on it isn't bad but you can notice them if you choose to.

The picture is georgeous! Deep.

I am still not sure about the "24" that everyone speaks about with blu ray...will have to look further into it. So far not much blu ray watching DISH and Chromecast mainly.

It's less about the color/brightness of the ice and more about if you have to turn panel brightness/cell light up then the ABL kicks in and things look significantly worse on hockey and the annoying "flashes".
post #612 of 758
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post


Cell phone pic would be fine. I understand we might not be able to see the effect. I was hoping to verify that we had our first S64 owner legit ABL complaint ~ in 6 months and 600 posts (!!) That right there is amazing! biggrin.gif

Absolutely no TV ever made is or was perfect. IMO, this one remains a bang for the buck champ.

Maybe we can verify that this isn't a good TV for hockey. I don't personally watch hockey so it doesn't affect me.

Still: I hope some of the thread's long time participants are still monitoring, are hockey fans and will post what they think of hockey white scenes, how the ice looks compared to other TVs, etc. I've read there are some other typical TV problems that sometimes happen with hockey like flashing (?), etc.

mm

I'll try to remember to get some pics the next time a hockey game is on CBC-HD =)

 

I'm going to see if watching the game with somewhat dimmer screen settings (I'm going to try CNET's Low Panel Brightness settings) might help.  If I can simply adjust to a lower brightness, then the brightness shifts will be much smaller.

 

Afterall, the thing that actually bothered me is the brightness changing rather than the less bright white itself (because a blinding white is kinda bad too).  I had thought I turned on adaptive contrast of some sort.

 

In the end, something like Hockey is a pretty heavy test for a plasma.  Everything else I've watched on it has been gorgeous (well, 48Hz sucks but 3:2 60Hz doesn't look too bad so whatever).

post #613 of 758
I'm not a hockey nut, but I DO watch the occasional game and go to 3-4 Pens games a year. I haven't noticed any real problems watching hockey on my 65S64, but that could be due to not watching enough smile.gif I still love this TV, especially for the price.
post #614 of 758
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Originally Posted by gregleg View Post

I'm not a hockey nut, but I DO watch the occasional game and go to 3-4 Pens games a year. I haven't noticed any real problems watching hockey on my 65S64, but that could be due to not watching enough smile.gif I still love this TV, especially for the price.

I don't watch hockey at all, but I put on a hockey game to see what everyone was talking about. I saw the dimming after about 2 minutes on the TV. To me it wasn't that annoying, but if I watched hockey everyday then it doesn't make sense to choose this plasma.

That aside, when I first got this TV I was amazed by the brightness even in daylight. I had really prepared myself to watch this TV mainly at dark, and I thought daytime viewing would be terrible and whites at night wouldn't even be that great. I find it completely acceptable and the picture gorgeous. Goes to show you that you have to just try certain TVs out for your own preference.
post #615 of 758

Just wondering if anyone else is using CNET's settings? Specifically calibrated for the 65PS64...I am liking them! ALOT! Anyone else using them?

post #616 of 758
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Originally Posted by imanalien View Post

Just wondering if anyone else is using CNET's settings? Specifically calibrated for the 65PS64...I am liking them! ALOT! Anyone else using them?
I am as well. Brighter and I think slightly less red push. Looks better to my eye. I'll switch back and forth a few more times I'm sure.
Edited by mwl001 - 11/14/13 at 6:53pm
post #617 of 758
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Originally Posted by mwl001 View Post

I am as well. Brighter and I think slightly less red push. Looks better to my eye. I'll switch back and forth a few more times I'm sure.

I'm using the CNET settings, i like how it uses panel brightness low
post #618 of 758
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by angle_theory View Post

The whites are absolutely fine...

...The picture on this TV is gorgeous.

Totally agree.
Edited by MountainMichael - 12/19/13 at 8:13am
post #619 of 758
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

Totally agree.
I want to give those a try. I haven't yet because fairchild99's settings have been working so well on my TV.

I had no complaints with fairchild99's either. Just tried Cnet's because they were posted here. I think the brightness is lower, but the gamma is higher. The result wasn't dramatic, but I feel it's noticeable, without loss of accuracy on my set.
post #620 of 758
For those that had asked for me to keep you updated on my 55VT60 experience, be sure to check this post for info on latest calibration. Overall the panel is definitely an improvement over my P50S60 in both black levels, contrast ratio/pop, color accuracy, 96hz mode for blu-rays, and of course an extra 5" inches never hurts. Some of the reasons for the contrast ratio/pop + color accuracy is because of the added controls to the grayscale, gamma, and cms. I also demo'd the 3D with the only 3D blu-ray I have which was Prometheus and it looked pretty good, though I won't use 3D much. Also will not bother calibrating for 3D, so it won't look as good as it could I suppose. Anyways, for some results from calibration just click here.
post #621 of 758
Thread Starter 
fairchild99,

Congrats on the VT60 and thanks for the update!
Edited by MountainMichael - 12/19/13 at 8:13am
post #622 of 758
Hi,

I've been lurking on this thread for awhile and wanted to say thanks to all the contributors . I have finally pulled the trigger on the S64 and now have a brand new 50" sitting in my living room (still in the box smile.gif. I'm coming from a 42" Sharp Aquos LCD that is about 5 years old and I'm really looking forward to the PQ on the Panny. I'll be using it exclusively with a HTPC.

Just a question on Picture settings. Which post has F99's latest settings? Is is this one http://www.avsforum.com/t/1474301/panasonic-tc-65ps64-and-tc-50ps64-owners-poll/390#post_23685998

Maybe MountainMichael or bosundave could chime in as I know they have some experience with the 50" model and both of them seemed to have good success with F99's settings.

Thanks in advance.
post #623 of 758
All of Fairchild's recent calibrations are listed here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461177/official-panasonic-s60-series-discussion-thread/1290#post_23290695

I have the 50PS64 and am using the Cinema (-1 brightness, 2.4 gamma). My set has over 1100 hours on it, so it looks pretty nice. On a newer set, you might want to pump up the Contrast and not use the detailed Pro settings (leave them at 0).
post #624 of 758
Thread Starter 
vdsilva, Welcome to AVS and to the S64 thread. silverwidow covered it and provided some ideas I hadn't thought of.
Edited by MountainMichael - 12/19/13 at 8:14am
post #625 of 758
Thread Starter 
Re: S60/64 Noise Reduction Experiments thread:

An AVS member made angry and accusing posts in the noise experiments thread blaming me for allegedly increasing buzz in his TV.

His complaint is irrational, so I'm not going to clutter this thread with it. Instead, below is a link to my response in case you're curious. Post 90:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1479356/2013-panasonic-s60-s64-diy-noise-reduction-experiments-illustrated/60
Edited by MountainMichael - 12/19/13 at 8:16am
post #626 of 758

I'd like to follow-up on the ABL (during hockey games) with my 50" S64 and say that with CNET's somewhat lower brightness settings, the effect is small enough that it hardly bothers me anymore.

 

And since my previous LCD didn't have the perfectly even whites this Plasma has, it's a net plus =)

post #627 of 758
Thread Starter 
CR, Good info. I don't know if CNET's settings will work well or not on my TV. Still, enough people are liking them, I'm going to give them a try. I'll wait awhile to get to know them and then report my subjective opinion fwiw.
Edited by MountainMichael - 12/19/13 at 8:17am
post #628 of 758
Well I've just run webapalooza slides for about 10 hours today and right off the bat when the slideshow displayed the black slide I thought the TV turned off and this was in a moderately lit room during the day. The TV made a great impression with that one!

I tried a few videos today - Zero Dark Thirty (the raid on the compound) and a little bit of Boardwalk Empire and I noticed the clarity and improved contrast right away compared to my old Sharp Aquos LCD. I ran the two TVs at the same time with the same material (thank you Pioneer receiver) so it was really quite evident I had taken a step up in Picture quality. Oh I had the Panny on just the default Cinema settings at the moment.

I know it is early days yet but I think I'll be happy with this purchase. Even the GF noticed the better picture right away so there is the WAF already!
post #629 of 758
Thread Starter 
vdsilva, Glad to hear you're liking your S64 so far.
Edited by MountainMichael - 12/19/13 at 8:18am
post #630 of 758
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

edit: Ok, a couple of quick observations, then give it some time. Others have said it and I was skeptical: Although CNET's settings use LOW panel brightness, the settings make a somewhat brighter picture than fc99's I was using in Cinema or Custom. I am surprised by that. That doesn't make them better for my TV; I'll give it some time and then report back.

 

This does seem true.  I neglected to mention I had reduce the contrast after a bit to reduce the brightness a bit further.

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