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Poll Results: Are you glad overall that you bought the PanasonicTC-xxPS64?

Poll expired: Jun 22, 2013  
  • 88% (22)
    Yes, totally glad.
  • 0% (0)
    No, I regret it.
  • 12% (3)
    I'm ambivalent. Serious doubts.
25 Total Votes  
post #91 of 757
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Originally Posted by HDTimeShifter View Post

Oh crap, I thought the popping sounds started right away. I think I only have about 100 hours on mine...

HDTimeShifter,

Don't sweat it 'cause it may never happen. And, if it was the very rare really LOUD popping of a bad power board, that would probably have started nearly right away IMHO. I've only read of one guy with an S60 variant having that problem; that was El Matadurr and he returned his 60S60 because of it.

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Originally Posted by ajmfuller View Post

Thanks! Yeah I read your previous post on that and that is why I am crossing my fingers. I am definitely not going to mess with the bezel. Hope it never happens, I know if it doesn't drive me crazy it will drive my wife crazy! Glad to hear if it does 'pop' up that it should decrease over time. Has this always been an issue with plasma panels or is this something new to the s60/64?

Totally agree with NOT messing with bezel screws unless or until it becomes a pest. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! biggrin.gif

It is seemingly NOT an issue with all plasma panels, but Randy Walters just posted links in the S60 thread showing that it can be an issue historically with quite a few different larger panels. I suppose it is more likely in big plasmas than in big LEDs due to higher average operating temps in the plasmas..?

Some though possibly fewer have reported popping in their ST60's. I haven't followed that thread in awhile and have never followed VT or ZT threads, so I don't know if it is there at all. My ST60 never popped, but I returned it at 200 hours. My S64 started very minor popping at 230 hours, so I guess I don't really know if the ST was going to start it or not.


To all: If anyone ever does decide to try the bezel screw thing, some have found bezel screws scary tight and just STOPPED versus maybe cracking the screen or stripping a screw or other warranty voiding accident. I think those people who STOPPED when they found screws dangerously too tight were smart.

One guy with an S60 ran into "crazy tight screws" and STOPPED before causing damage ~ and instead just swapped the panel and got one that was a lot quieter.

The popping for mine was very soft and only a few times during warmup and cool down, so I was advised by many in the S60 thread to keep it 'cause a swap could be noisier in one way or another. For example, I don't hear any buzz at all; I might get one where I could hear buzz, etc.

I don't think popping happens for most, so with any luck you all won't hear it, period.

I don't want to make popping the central theme of this thread. To put it in context: Mine is so minor, it is not even one tenth as loud as house expansion and contraction creaks and clicks. It isn't one fiftieth as loud as the hair raising CRACK! noises my Toshiba 36" CRT used to make.

For a panel this giant, I believe it to be amazingly well controlled for expansion and contraction noises.

fwiw,

mm
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/27/13 at 6:28pm
post #92 of 757
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ajmfuller View Post

Yeah they are going quick buy my local can't seem to get rid of their 55ut50's which is what I had before returning it for the bigger s64 with AR filter. It was a great tv but to much glare for me and a little small. I can't believe I'm saying a 55 is to small considering I used to think 32 was huge! They have 12 of the ut50's and are are selling them at $599 and they still aren't moving. Now that is just crazy!


This thread - IRT Running Vote Tally:

Adding ajmfuller's vote:

23 Totally glad they purchased an S64

0 regret purchasing their S64


This will be my last mention of the former "ambivalent" vote option since it appears none of those alleged owners ever posted comments. As such, we are left to wonder if they are owners or not.

Future updates will include only: "Glad I bought an S64" or "I Regret it".

At such time as "Glad" is less than 100%, I'll post the percentage split.

Any owners, at any such time as you want to vote "I regret it", just post details so we know you're real and you'll be counted.

To all: I've said it before, but no HDTV ever made (even the mighty Kuro) is perfect OR right for everyone or their would only be one model in production.

There is at least one guy in the S60 thread who is not happy with his S64 and is going to something else. He's a good guy, it's just not for him. My point: I'm hoping we'll all show respect if a real owner posts in here that the S64 wasn't for him or her and that he/she went to something else.

It happens with all TV's; it'll eventually happen with this one and that's OK.

For now, the thread vote remains at a stunning 100%.

mm
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/27/13 at 6:45pm
post #93 of 757
Thread Starter 
I decided to try some noise attenuation experiments beginning with focus on popping. Not because it was loud, but more because I'm a chronic/compulsive tinkerer.

It got lengthy, so rather than clutter up this thread with it, I started an "S60/64 DIY Noise Attenuation Thread - experiments illustrated" over here. Please feel free to drop by & follow along if you're interested.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1479356/2013-panasonic-s60-s64-diy-noise-reduction-experiments-illustrated

Thank you,

mm
post #94 of 757
Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

I decided to try some noise attenuation experiments beginning with focus on popping. Not because it was loud, but more because I'm a chronic/compulsive tinkerer.

It got lengthy, so rather than clutter up this thread with it, I started an "S60/64 DIY Noise Attenuation Thread - experiments illustrated" over here. Please feel free to drop by & follow along if you're interested.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1479356/2013-panasonic-s60-s64-diy-noise-reduction-experiments-illustrated

Thank you,

mm

Uh oh, hopefully don't have issues with my new TV. Little things like this bother me.
post #95 of 757
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Originally Posted by hock20 View Post

Uh oh, hopefully don't have issues with my new TV. Little things like this bother me.

A lot of people never run into it. Or, for those who do, most say it is insignificant. It pretty much was with my TV, but it now appears I'm onto a stupid easy & near total fix.

I'll update that other thread over time.
post #96 of 757
how do you think the filters would work in this room with the windows facing east?




post #97 of 757
Wow, that's got to be a bright room, but I think the question is, is there anything facing the TV (like behind the couch and lamp) that is reflective that will reflect the light back onto the TV? Otherwise the TV is plenty bright and will probably show through the light.
post #98 of 757
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Originally Posted by oinchats View Post

how do you think the filters would work in this room with the windows facing east?





oinchats, looks like a really nice place you have there.

If you plan to place your possible S64 where the small panel TV is, I think it should work very well.

It will obviously be a bright room during the daytime, so I would suggest using one of fairchild99's latest 3 (brighter) settings.

I had one small window that would have been opposite where your windows are and it caused some glare, so I blacked that window out for my 55ST60 - and that was necessary for my S64 as well.

I kick various curtains open all the time to fight cabin fever (early retired mountain recluse) and the panel works great with sunshine pouring in. With the exception of that one glare source that was at just the wrong angle; I had to neutralize that one.

Others have suggested I could have used a "solar screen" to attenuate that one window versus blacking it out and I think that is probably true. I may do that in the future.

Windows behind my panel have been no concern for glare. The panel is brighter in daylight than my Toshiba 36" CRT was and is plenty bright in a sunlit room. However, does the picture pop amazingly well at night? You betcha'. I doubt anything has the same PQ pop in daylight as at night, even LCD's.

Will a LCD/LED be brighter in daylight? Yep. Will its picture ever look as true as plasma - daylight or nighttime? I seriously doubt it from everything I've read and seen, but I haven't owned one so others are invited to input.

Just one guy's opinion, of course.

mm
Edited by MountainMichael - 6/29/13 at 9:08pm
post #99 of 757
Can someone post the length and width of the stand for the 65". I want to see if I need a new stand and my Costco only has the 50" in store.

Thanks for all the feedback on the reflection
post #100 of 757
You can extrapolate the stand dimensions (height & depth) from the manual specs http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TC50PS64.PDF (a link to it is on page 1 of the S60 thread) by subtracting the TV dimensions from the TV + pedestal dimensions. I just measured and it is 23" 1/2 w x 14" 1/8 d.
post #101 of 757
Does anyone know the best way to mount the S64 when you have steel studs? Also, can someone recommend the best, fair priced tilting mount for this baby?

I did a search and found a bunch of information, but most had TV's much smaller and lighter than this one...Anyone successfully using a mount and toggle screws with this plasma into metal studs?
Edited by taarobaap - 7/1/13 at 12:50pm
post #102 of 757
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Originally Posted by taarobaap View Post

Does anyone know the best way to mount the S64 when you have steel studs? Also, can someone recommend the best, fair priced tilting mount for this baby?

I did a search and found a bunch of information, but most had TV's much smaller and lighter than this one...Anyone successfully using a mount and toggle screws with this plasma into metal studs?

From reading the S60 thread, it appears a lot of people go with and like the Monoprice mounts. I'm not sure which ones they use.

Some say they will swivel up to 90 degrees and tilt up to 15 degrees. But I think maybe I see your quandary; I'm not seeing any rated above 65" though some are rated to 175 pounds... wondering if the weight rating is more critical than the max size panel listed..

I am not sure how one would fasten to steel studs. If memory serves, those are pretty thin steel, no? Possibly search either in AVS or Google with combined search terms:

TV Mount
steel studs
nutsert or toggle screw or toggle bolt

(or variations until you get some hits?)

My hunch is that a nutsert might be one way.. they take a special tool to crimp them into sheet metal. Some can carry more weight than others (greater grip area). I suspect it would take a 1" or more wall patch each to get them installed. The leverage created by an articulated arm wall mount probably means you would need the top 2 fasteners to carry at least double the panel weight.

I wish I could be of more help, but that's about all I've got on it.

Anyone else done this or heard of good ways to do it?


edit:

taarobaap:

Not sure if you've seen the below; smaller TV, but still, they're talking about ways to do this:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/236047/mounting-to-steel-studs

And here is one for a TV of similar weight. The guy suggests toggle bolts but also uses the plywood idea. Not sure if he was going wide enough to try to get into 4 studs, or what.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1136019/wall-mount-on-steel-studs-55-hitachi

This one has some mixed input with 1 guy saying just toggle bolts alone didn't work so well. Another said "no problem" with them...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/464936/mounting-on-wall-steel-studs

This one says that some TV mounts come with toggle bolts suggesting their use for steel studs... at least up to a certain weight AND leverage multiplier?

http://www.avsforum.com/t/533648/mounting-to-metal-studs


I can't say which of the above is best - or if the plywood for reinforcement is necessary or not. It appears quite a few people recommend the plywood for heavier TV's.

You probably already know: If you have to cut out a piece of sheetrock, install plywood, then tape/patch/texture, it is not difficult for anyone who has done any of that before. There are spray cans of various textures to somewhat match existing wall texture at The Home Depot, Lowes, etc. I can say those work fairly well after taping, floating the patch material. And a wet sponge works great for leveling the dried patch versus fighting with sanding.

The spray can texture is not perfect, but probably easily good enough for a patch that will hide behind a TV.

fwiw,

mm
Edited by MountainMichael - 7/3/13 at 12:40am
post #103 of 757
MM, thanks for the wealth of information. I did search the forum and google for steel stud mounting, and found much of the same mixed information that you did. I spent hours yesterday reading and reading. I also talked to a gentleman who works in the facilities dept where I work. We have a rather large building with many, many lcds, plasma, and other really large tvs. He said that he mounts into steel studs all the time using toggle screws that hold up to 300lbs, and has never had an issue with them. He also stated that he would be more than happy to come over one day and mount it up, relocate an oulet and run an hdmi and center channel speaker wire for a very fair price, so I may just let the professional handle it (while helping as much as I can). Thanks again for the information! I'll post pictures once i'm in the new house (couple of weeks - fingers crossed) and the S64 is mounted!! Can't wait!
post #104 of 757
Thread Starter 
taarobaap,

YW & I'm glad you found someone who has worked with the steel studs before to help with it. Did he say whether commercial and residential steel studs are made of the same gauge of metal?

I look forward to seeing your pics.

mm
Edited by MountainMichael - 7/3/13 at 1:19pm
post #105 of 757
I greatly appreciate this thread and the info it has. I am about this close to skipping the ST60 since nobody has it in stock and grabbing an S64 from costco today. But this would be my first plasma and I'm a weirdo who prefers watching tv with the lights on (ceiling fan light with three 30w bulbs) The TV also sits in front of and to the right of our sliding glass door. Theres no reflections but when he sun is going down it can get bright. I'm wondering if the S64 (or any plasma really) will be right for me, looking for input.

Thanks,
Trent
post #106 of 757
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Originally Posted by trentk View Post

I greatly appreciate this thread and the info it has. I am about this close to skipping the ST60 since nobody has it in stock and grabbing an S64 from costco today. But this would be my first plasma and I'm a weirdo who prefers watching tv with the lights on (ceiling fan light with three 30w bulbs) The TV also sits in front of and to the right of our sliding glass door. Theres no reflections but when he sun is going down it can get bright. I'm wondering if the S64 (or any plasma really) will be right for me, looking for input.

Thanks,
Trent

Trent,

YW & welcome to the thread!

The AR (anti reflective) filter on the S64 and ST60 are supposedly about the same. I've owned both and believe that to be true.

The ST60 reportedly has the potential for maybe a somewhat brighter calibrated picture. However, comparing D-Nice's kindly shared settings for the ST60 compared to fairchild99's settings for the S60 that I'm using to excellent effect on my S64, the S64 is the brighter of the 2 I've owned. But that's settings, probably not electronic potential for brightness.

Overhead lights seem to be the forte of these AR filters. I personally saw glare on the upper chrome bezel from my overhead lights but not on the screen. It works very well for that. It works fairly well for window glare, too. However, I had to black out one small window because it was at exactly the wrong angle. Bad luck of the draw, that. I did that for the ST60 but it was also necessary for the S64.

Some others have told me that if I don't want that window blacked out, I could try a "solar screen" on the outside of the pesky window to attenuate the glare. Solar screens are available in various levels of darkness from mild to severe. I had them in S. Texas to reduce AC costs and had not thought about that for glare attenuation. I may yet do that to that one window.

As for my other windows, I'm early retired so I keep the other curtains open all the time to fight cabin fever. So I have the sun shining in frequently and no problems. But again, 1 window was a pest. As for brightness, fairchild99's latest 2 settings work excellent even with the curtains open. As a point of reference, my S64 is significantly brighter with these settings than my Toshiba 36" CRT was.

Randy Walters has stated that very many 2013 LCD's have screens at least as shiny as plasma's with AR filters, so it would seem LCD's with heavy AR aren't as popular any more?

Why my pest window wasn't a problem with my old 36" Toshiba CRT: That was an old curved CRT, not flat. So any pest glare would only be one small spot on the screen. Whereas, with my flat panel plasma, it was a BIG glare just dead bullseye in the middle. I could have attenuated the glare somewhat by changing my living room setup for a different angle on the panel, so that is an option though I didn't use that one.


I think a lot of 2013 TV's (plasma and LCD) have a light AR filter because a heavier treatment takes away too much PQ.

Can you post some pics of your viewing area? With that, some owners in here can probably give better advice about whether a plasma might be a good solution or not. Windows directly behind your viewing position (chair/couch, etc) seem to be more problematic depending upon angle. OTOH, one big picture window behind my seat position to the right is no problem at all. Bring on the sunshine!

I don't know how costly CostCo's return policy is. You might look into that and decide if you're willing to take that gamble and the logistical work of a possible return. That will be the only sure way to know, IMHO.

If you buy an S64, once you get to know it, I invite you to please post your review or a link to your review here. Your input will also be very helpful to others regarding your impressions about glare, etc. It is a frequent concern and the more opinions, the better.

I'm hoping others will input about your questions, too. HDTimeShifter, if you see this, whatcha' think?

Best of luck,

mm
Edited by MountainMichael - 7/3/13 at 3:08pm
post #107 of 757
Thanks Michael. I am not too concerned with glare luckily zero windows behind the couches. I am most concerned with overall brightness. Even in the dimmer viewing areas of the best buy stores around here the plasmas look dim and boring while the LED's are bright like the Vegas strip. One of the major selling points to the S64 is the costco return policy. It costs nothing and its awesome. No questions asked for 90 days (used to be liftetime but too many people took advantage so now its 1 year on all electronics)

Does the S64 have the Chrome bezel / trim? Or is it more like the VT series?

Attached is a photo that shows where the TV is and with the daytime lighting near its worst. Typically those curtains are more closed and you can see the solar screen on the left most window. If I was to watch a movie at this time the curtains would be fully closed.
I will definitely write a review. Anything will be an upgrade over my 6 year old DLP which is dying, 1 new dead pixel per week.

IMG_1604.JPG 397k .JPG file
Edited by trentk - 7/3/13 at 3:56pm
post #108 of 757
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Originally Posted by MountainMichael View Post

Why my pest window wasn't a problem with my old 36" Toshiba CRT: That was an old curved CRT, not flat. So any pest glare would only be one small spot on the screen. Whereas, with my flat panel plasma, it was a BIG glare just dead bullseye in the middle.

The afternoon sun would washout my 34" flatscreen CRT, but it doesn't affect my 65S64 nearly as badly. I think it's because it's so much larger that the window reflection will only affect 1/4 or so of the screen instead of the entire 34" screen. Also the plasma seems much brighter than the CRT. I really need to wait until fall football season (when there is no tree shade outside the windows) to do a valid comparison.
post #109 of 757
Thread Starter 
Family situation, so I'll be out of the threads for awhile. I'll drop back in after a bit.
Edited by MountainMichael - 7/4/13 at 12:35am
post #110 of 757
I went to pick one up yesterday but no costco in my region carries the tv in the store and apparently sams club also only offers the 65" online. Bummer as I was hoping to see it in person first.
post #111 of 757
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Originally Posted by trentk View Post

I went to pick one up yesterday but no costco in my region carries the tv in the store and apparently sams club also only offers the 65" online. Bummer as I was hoping to see it in person first.

You're not really missing anything. It's not a TV that you can get any idea of the quality of it from seeing it in Costco. They had the 50" up in mine, and it really didn't show itself well due to the lighting, and the placement of the TV up so high.
Costco's return policy is awesome,so I'd recommend giving it a shot from online if you are interested! That's what I did.
post #112 of 757
I'm not sure if anyone has heard any "inside info" regarding the availability of the 50" model from Sam's Club, but I'm in a bit of a quandary. My old Samsung DLP is starting to fail (again), so I've decided it's time to finally upgrade to something new. Finances and spousal approval dictate that the 65" is out of the question, so I'm really leaning towards the 50" S64. I noticed Sam's carries the 65" version, but they don't have the 50". We have friends that have Costco memberships that would probably be willing to help us purchase the 50" version there, but I don't want to abuse their kindness in the event something's wrong with the set and I need to return or exchange it -- I imagine I would need their membership card and/or them to handle that? We have a Sams membership and I don't think the wife would sign off on a $55 Costco membership just to buy the tv, especially when we have a Sams less than 3 miles from the house and no Costco within 15 miles.

So, has anyone heard anything about Sam's getting the 50" version anytime soon? smile.gif
post #113 of 757
Brian, returning stuff to costco is very simple and painless. You will need the member who bought the item with you. They will give you cash. I just returned some 5 month old couches, no questions asked they handed me $1100 cash.
post #114 of 757
Saw this set at Costco a couple days ago and had some hesitation. After reading this thread I'm going to head back there tonight to pick it up. Thanks for all the info.

I might be stopping back here with some questions, but in the meantime I do have a couple...

Does this TV have built in speakers? If so how do they hold up? I might be without speakers for a bit and would still like to watch some TV on it.

EDIT: I'm referring to the 50"...not sure if that matters.
post #115 of 757
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Originally Posted by A-Pac View Post

Does this TV have built in speakers? If so how do they hold up? I might be without speakers for a bit and would still like to watch some TV on it.

EDIT: I'm referring to the 50"...not sure if that matters.

All HDTV's have built-in speakers these days. Once you tweak these for a bit better bass (I suggest tweaking the EQ) they are ok. It's always best though to get external speakers if at all possible.
post #116 of 757
For those of you looking for a 55" TCP55S60, this place has a 4th of July sale going on with the TV priced at $694.91 + $84 shipping = $779. If you are near one of their locations you would save shipping but get hit for tax.

55S60 at P.C. Richard Click on the main ad and the TV is near the bottom of the page.
post #117 of 757
How does SD programming look on the 50 or 64 inch S64's? I mostly watch HD but my weekly tv viewing also includes ~3 hours of SD programming per week. I will sit about 8 feet away from the new tv. My preference is to buy a TV that allows me to watch the desired HD + SD programming without having to keep the old LCD tv available for SD material... Thanks for any advice!
post #118 of 757
I've had the TV setup for 48 hours now and all I can say is WOW! This TV is absolutely amazing, the picture kills my LG 60PA6550 that is being returned to Costco this week. I will post a review after a week of owning it. Thanks to everyone for the recommendation, also if I could vote I'd be in the "Yes, totally glad" category.
post #119 of 757
I'm setting my TV up today and was wondering if there is any type of break-in recommended? Or can I just go ahead and start watching stuff as I normally would?
post #120 of 757
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Originally Posted by A-Pac View Post

I'm setting my TV up today and was wondering if there is any type of break-in recommended? Or can I just go ahead and start watching stuff as I normally would?

From what I've gathered, for the first 100 hours or so avoid watching anything with letterbox black bars making sure everything is full-screen to age the phosphorous evenly. Also avoid any static images such as a CNN logo etc. I've been leaving mine on with Pixar movies on loop overnight.
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