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Hello Yoda,

Thank you for the info and pics, and for continuing to help -- that looks like a nice, sharp picture (some pun intended)! What mode did you set that in? What mode did Best Buy use? You had Geek Squad come out to your place, or did you buy it from a Best Buy?

How far are you from your 70 inch again?

Thanks - I calibrated in movie mode - geek squad calibrated using that mode also. The set came directly from Sharp, but since I was a silver reward zone member at the time, I received a free cal from geek squad. I am 10 feet away from my television. Have you ever thought about a projector?
post #92 of 139
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Thanks - I calibrated in movie mode - geek squad calibrated using that mode also. The set came directly from Sharp, but since I was a silver reward zone member at the time, I received a free cal from geek squad. I am 10 feet away from my television. Have you ever thought about a projector?

Yes, I have thought about a projector, but my explanation regarding this factor is embedded in the first post of this thread:)...
post #93 of 139
Good day InteliVolume,

How's your research going?

It maybe helpful if you posted some photos of your TH room.

Later today I'll try take some photos of my set up and you can get an idea of the visual impact going from a 50' plasma to a 75" led looks like.
If my sofa is placed next to the back wall, it's, 12 feet. I'm currently sitting at 10 feet with the 75". Moving the sofa 2 feet forward makes more of an impact on the surround sound than the immersiveness of the screen. Rear speakers should have a little distance behind you.

Have you spent any time in the stores comparing the sizes, while standing back 12 from them?

Look at screen sizes in the I can't spend more than this amount.
Go into the menu of each and change it to what you will be watching, movie mode for example.
Bring your blu-ray player (and hdmi cord) with you, so you can level out the apples to apples on what source is providing the image.
Bring a couple of blu-rays your very familiar with and go to those scenes. (I used The Dark Knight and King Kong)

I've found the stores very accommodating, when I brought my blu-ray and hdmi cord. I also thank them and offer to treat them to a cup of coffee or lunch for going the extra mile.

Cheers,
behindrewind
post #94 of 139
1st photo is the 50" elite
2nd photo is 75" Samsung
Sitting 10 feet away.



post #95 of 139
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Yes, I have thought about a projector, but my explanation regarding this factor is embedded in the first post of this thread:)...

The distance from where my cat is sitting on the couch to the front of the 70 inch screen is 10 feet. The difference between a 70 inch set and a 75 inch set is not that great as far as "a visibly impactful difference" at a 10 foot distance. The impact will be felt more in your wallet if you spring for the Samsung.


Edited by myoda - 6/13/13 at 2:07pm
post #96 of 139
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Good day InteliVolume,

How's your research going?

Hello, Be Kind, and thank you for the response! Sorry for the delay in getting back to you; I hadn't checked my email connecting to this site in awhile...
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It maybe helpful if you posted some photos of your TH room.

Let me work on that...
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Later today I'll try take some photos of my set up and you can get an idea of the visual impact going from a 50' plasma to a 75" led looks like.
If my sofa is placed next to the back wall, it's, 12 feet. I'm currently sitting at 10 feet with the 75". Moving the sofa 2 feet forward makes more of an impact on the surround sound than the immersiveness of the screen. Rear speakers should have a little distance behind you.

Thank you so much for sharing those pictures -- it's appreciated, sir! Yeah, it's kinda hard to tell from looking at them what kind of impact difference is made; seems to me from my eyes the 75 inch screen doesn't "appear" much, much larger than the 50, remarkably...don't know what it is...

Does it seem appeciatively larger to you in scope when watching films? Do you watch films on it?

My surround system isn't a problem in this scenario at all; I'm running an Onkyo 605, OPPO BDP-83, Polk RTi12 mains, Polk CSi30 center, Polk PSW350 sub and SpeakerCraft in-ceiling surrounds that were already in when we purchased the house...the left surround is seven feet from the sweet spot (my seat) and the right one is nine feet from it (compensated for in the receiver's setup menu of course via calibration level offset and distance parameters)...
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Have you spent any time in the stores comparing the sizes, while standing back 12 from them?

A bit; it's just SO difficult to determine exactly how large these screens are by standing in a store surrounded by other larger sets and the bright lighting...you know, the *wink wink* reason stores run the sets in torch mode? *wink wink*
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Look at screen sizes in the I can't spend more than this amount.
Go into the menu of each and change it to what you will be watching, movie mode for example.
Bring your blu-ray player (and hdmi cord) with you, so you can level out the apples to apples on what source is providing the image.
Bring a couple of blu-rays your very familiar with and go to those scenes. (I used The Dark Knight and King Kong)

I've found the stores very accommodating, when I brought my blu-ray and hdmi cord. I also thank them and offer to treat them to a cup of coffee or lunch for going the extra mile.

Cheers,
behindrewind

Oh, well, I don't think I'd chug my OPPO BDP-83 and its Monster HDMI connector cord to the local Sam's Club...but thanks for the tip!
post #97 of 139
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The distance from where my cat is sitting on the couch to the front of the 70 inch screen is 10 feet. The difference between a 70 inch set and a 75 inch set is not that great as far as "a visibly impactful difference" at a 10 foot distance. The impact will be felt more in your wallet if you spring for the Samsung.


Hi Again Yoda,

Thank you very much for the picture, as well; as with Rewind's pic, it's difficult to make out the "impact signifigance" of your screen based on the picture...but I totally understand what you're saying about the five inch difference and the bigger expense with the Samsung...

But would this ring true also at 12 feet?
post #98 of 139
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Hi Again Yoda,

Thank you very much for the picture, as well; as with Rewind's pic, it's difficult to make out the "impact signifigance" of your screen based on the picture...but I totally understand what you're saying about the five inch difference and the bigger expense with the Samsung...

But would this ring true also at 12 feet?

No. But if you wait long enough, the 80 inch Vizio panel will be out - at a price to either be competitive with or under the price Sharp is charging for their 80 inch displays.

Some pictures to put things in perspective. I shot these this to show you the difference in screen sizes from my 10 foot seating distance, and hopefully guide you to making the correct decision.

Lights up, full screen shot from the main viewing and listening position:


Beginning of Oz. This picture measures 42 inches inside a 70 inch screen from 10 feet:


Oz - widescreen:


Demo showing the difference between a 55 inch and 70 inch panel at 10 feet:


Close up:




Hope this helps in your purchasing decision.
Edited by myoda - 6/16/13 at 7:16am
post #99 of 139
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Oh, well, waiting isn't a problem; we're in no rush, per se, to get a new set...
post #100 of 139
Have you made a decision yet? I'm curious to see what you have settled on. I'm kinda in the same boat as you are, my wife doesn't want to upgrade to a larger tv either, and I also have a entertainment center that will need mods to fit a larger 80" tv I'm looking to purchase
post #101 of 139
To revive things a little, I have been running my 65" Mit DLP anywhere from 10 to 15 feet distance. I played with seating arrangements for unimportant reasons but of course the 10 foot distance was better. But now I'm in a new home with what I consider to be better room dimensions (nearly 14x14 compared to the shotgun feeling 9x16). Because of this I'm looking to upgrade mainly for tech reasons to a flat panel. I could stay with a 65" flat panel but am considering a bump to a 70". The seating distance will be static at 10 feet and I'm remodeling it to be a dedicated theater room (in basement).

Considering that I'm running rear pro DLP tech now (actually running nothing as room is being finished) I figure any new tv will be better. So would I be over thinking it weighing all the "new" options that tv's have? I know I don't want/need 3D. What about 120 vs 240 refresh rates. Relevant compared to the Mit? Vizio is a comfortable price point but, again, comparing to what I have currently, is it worth it to look at a Sammy or Sharp? Side viewing would be I guess about 2.5 to 3 feet to the sides but main viewing is dead center across a 7 foot couch. Again, this would be at 10 feet (side seating perpendicular to tv from 4-8 feet). I don't see the 80" coming into my price point as I'm trying to keep it topped at an under $2k deal. Again, would I be compromising too much limiting my selection to the Vizio?
post #102 of 139
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To revive things a little, I have been running my 65" Mit DLP anywhere from 10 to 15 feet distance. I played with seating arrangements for unimportant reasons but of course the 10 foot distance was better. But now I'm in a new home with what I consider to be better room dimensions (nearly 14x14 compared to the shotgun feeling 9x16). Because of this I'm looking to upgrade mainly for tech reasons to a flat panel. I could stay with a 65" flat panel but am considering a bump to a 70". The seating distance will be static at 10 feet and I'm remodeling it to be a dedicated theater room (in basement).

Considering that I'm running rear pro DLP tech now (actually running nothing as room is being finished) I figure any new tv will be better. So would I be over thinking it weighing all the "new" options that tv's have? I know I don't want/need 3D. What about 120 vs 240 refresh rates. Relevant compared to the Mit? Vizio is a comfortable price point but, again, comparing to what I have currently, is it worth it to look at a Sammy or Sharp? Side viewing would be I guess about 2.5 to 3 feet to the sides but main viewing is dead center across a 7 foot couch. Again, this would be at 10 feet (side seating perpendicular to tv from 4-8 feet). I don't see the 80" coming into my price point as I'm trying to keep it topped at an under $2k deal. Again, would I be compromising too much limiting my selection to the Vizio?
I dont think u would be, no matter which company u go with these days they all have there issues. If you go and check out the Vizio m series thread on here they have a ton of info on sets from 40-80" and you can always ask questions.
post #103 of 139
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Way to revive this thread!

Funny, just today the wife and I were in the Sears we bought our SXRD in originally looking at ovens because ours went bust, and I looked at their TVs...they had the Sharp 80" and 80" Aquos screens as well as Samsung's gorgeous 75" panel at pretty decent prices...so now the question becomes, do y'all think at 12 feet 80 inches will seem different from our current 50?
post #104 of 139
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Way to revive this thread!

Funny, just today the wife and I were in the Sears we bought our SXRD in originally looking at ovens because ours went bust, and I looked at their TVs...they had the Sharp 80" and 80" Aquos screens as well as Samsung's gorgeous 75" panel at pretty decent prices...so now the question becomes, do y'all think at 12 feet 80 inches will seem different from our current 50?
Definitely! Your not just adding 5" in your case your tacking on a additional 25-30" to what u already have. You'll feel like your at the movies! Lol
post #105 of 139
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Definitely! Your not just adding 5" in your case your tacking on a additional 25-30" to what u already have. You'll feel like your at the movies! Lol

I think the 80" will seem huge! I had a 35" MIT tube prior to jumping to my 65" and yes, I felt like I was at the movies! And my seating distance was about 12 feet too. The one tbing I did notice is after the face I got to a point where I thought the 65" wasn't quite big enuf. I suggest you give strong consideration to what size is a comfortable fit in your room. I didn't got the 70" back then because I didn't want to overwhelm the room. And I didn't thing 5" would be that big of a difference. I eventually felt like I should have gone with the 70 because my space allowed for it. Just something to think about.
post #106 of 139
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Thank you, both...your opinions are truly appreciated.

Do you think the 75" would be just as "sufficient" at 12 feet?
post #107 of 139
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Thank you, both...your opinions are truly appreciated.

Do you think the 75" would be just as "sufficient" at 12 feet?
Sure, it's all relative anyway. From what u have now to a 75" is a pretty significant difference.
post #108 of 139
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Thank you...

Of course, initially at least, the 75 would look significantly bigger compared to the 50 once it's set up. but I'm more concerned, I suppose, with the "75 inch/80 inch screen at 12 feet" factor moreso than anything else...like, will 75 or 80 inches look pretty immersive from that distance...
post #109 of 139
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Thank you...

Of course, initially at least, the 75 would look significantly bigger compared to the 50 once it's set up. but I'm more concerned, I suppose, with the "75 inch/80 inch screen at 12 feet" factor moreso than anything else...like, will 75 or 80 inches look pretty immersive from that distance...

I would say no you'll get used to it and in time it will just seem normal. At 12ft I don't think you'll get the "immersive" feeling.
post #110 of 139
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Oh no...that's not good news...frown.gif

I understand that, literally, it wouldn't be like a theater and it wouldn't be like having a 110-plus-inch screen and projector setup, but won't it seem more immersive than my 50"?

What size would you recommend then?
post #111 of 139
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Oh no...that's not good news...frown.gif

I understand that, literally, it wouldn't be like a theater and it wouldn't be like having a 110-plus-inch screen and projector setup, but won't it seem more immersive than my 50"?

What size would you recommend then?
If you are sitting that far from a 50" and you were satisfied with it for a while. You will definitely appreciate the 75 of 80 for a long time to come unless you have the money for the 90" sharp then I would definitely go that route.
post #112 of 139
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If you are sitting that far from a 50" and you were satisfied with it for a while. You will definitely appreciate the 75 of 80 for a long time to come unless you have the money for the 90" sharp then I would definitely go that route.

Thank you; yeah, that Sharp 90" is a monster -- we just can't afford it nor have the room I don't think...

As for my 50, yeah, we're actually STILL kinda enjoying it (or making the most of the situation, however you want to look at it rolleyes.gif) at this distance (with lights out and a bias nightlight on in a torch lamp off to the side the room "feels" pretty "theatrical" as does the screen)...we could definitely use a bigger screen though...

Do you honestly think something in the 75 to 80 inch range will be alright at our distance? Films won't seem "small" when watching them (in scope) with these sizes at this distance, will they?
post #113 of 139
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Oh no...that's not good news...frown.gif

I understand that, literally, it wouldn't be like a theater and it wouldn't be like having a 110-plus-inch screen and projector setup, but won't it seem more immersive than my 50"?

What size would you recommend then?

Well you asked if it would be immersive, I think you'd have sit at maximum 8ft away from a 75" to even begin to feel immersive. That's different than comparing it to a 50", where a 60" is going to feel more immersive. I sit about 12' away in my regular seating from my 73" and doesn't feel anywhere near immersive at that distance to me. No matter what size you go with over your 50" the viewing experience will be greater. In my opinion that immersive feeling isn't going to be accomplished with an 80" at that distance.

As someone else stated "it's all relative" with my next set if I go from a 73" to a 90" at my current viewing distance it will still not feel immersive but my viewing experience will be greater. If I went from a 73" to a 60" I may as well move my seating forward 6'.That's a huge size difference from your 50" so so there's no way your viewing experience won't be increased, you just may not get that immersive feeling you're looking for. After a while you just get used to watching it and it feels normal.
Edited by colour - 11/21/13 at 10:47pm
post #114 of 139
I think the key phrase here is "viewing experience". First off, immersion has about three different theories, all I believe would put you at an optimal screen size over 100". The bottom range would be around 90" with the top being around 120" for THX standards at 12 feet. If this is doable then that's awesome! But most can't because of space or monetary considerations. That being said, while we may not be able to get to that "standard" of immersion, we do maximize what we have. Personally I allow lighting and room treatments to compensate for my distance as well as good sound. The rest I rely on the movie to bring me the rest of the way. I had a 35" CRT before jumping to my 65". Immersed or not, my viewing experience was significantly enhanced. I've had it for a while now so a little of it has worn off but I am still quite pleased with the viewing experience. It's still special to me as opposed to the 37" flat panel in our family room. One last thing to consider, you're not only going bigger but you're going newer too. That will account for something as well. I am doing the same probably next week moving from DLP to LED. I'll at least stay at 65" but may jump to 70", maybe even 75" if the deal is right. I'm at 10 feet but even if I say at 65" the new tech will again enhance my viewing experience significantly. You're switch may not be as drastic (assuming your on a 50" LCD) but you will still pick up some enhancement in tech alone. Just something to think about.
post #115 of 139
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Thank you fellas...I appreciate the replies. I will respond in kind to each of you as soon as I have a bit more free time...smile.gif
post #116 of 139
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I think the key phrase here is "viewing experience". First off, immersion has about three different theories, all I believe would put you at an optimal screen size over 100". The bottom range would be around 90" with the top being around 120" for THX standards at 12 feet. If this is doable then that's awesome! But most can't because of space or monetary considerations. That being said, while we may not be able to get to that "standard" of immersion, we do maximize what we have. Personally I allow lighting and room treatments to compensate for my distance as well as good sound. The rest I rely on the movie to bring me the rest of the way. I had a 35" CRT before jumping to my 65". Immersed or not, my viewing experience was significantly enhanced. I've had it for a while now so a little of it has worn off but I am still quite pleased with the viewing experience. It's still special to me as opposed to the 37" flat panel in our family room. One last thing to consider, you're not only going bigger but you're going newer too. That will account for something as well. I am doing the same probably next week moving from DLP to LED. I'll at least stay at 65" but may jump to 70", maybe even 75" if the deal is right. I'm at 10 feet but even if I say at 65" the new tech will again enhance my viewing experience significantly. You're switch may not be as drastic (assuming your on a 50" LCD) but you will still pick up some enhancement in tech alone. Just something to think about.

Thank you for sharing your experiences, Geek...I agree that what we're probably talking about here is "viewing experience" and "increased perception of visual impact" when talking about going from a 50" to a 75 or 80". I realize "immersive" is a bit of a elusive term as I KNOW and realize I'm not going to literally be "immersed" in a TV screen as compared to a commercial theater, of course; I just am trying to ascertain if at 12 feet, the experience is going to get more "impactful" when watching films (the majority of our viewing, whether DVD or Blu-ray) with a screen like a 75 or 80".

As for the tech, we're currently running a 50" Sony SXRD rear projection panel that displays 1080p and the image is very "film like" without that "soap-opera-y" look -- do you think an 80" LCD will look "better" than what we have now?
post #117 of 139
Yes I think you'll have it better all the way around. The bigger screen may not get you totally immersed by definition. But you'll certainly be a little closer to that sensation. You will definitely notice a big difference even at 12 feet. I wouldn't worry about that so much if I were you. And I'm sure you'll experience a better picture as well unless you just favor that rptv look. A handful of years ago I think you could still make that argument but now I think the panels are just better. As I type this I'm watching Iron Man on a flat panel (older model 37 inch) and it's crisper than my Mitsubishi 65" rptv. What you'll gain I believe will be far better than what you could question about a 12' seating distance.
post #118 of 139
I agree with Closet Geek, and as the op mentioned if you also get yourself a good quality audio system, it will help dramatically with really getting u into what you are watching.
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Yes I think you'll have it better all the way around. The bigger screen may not get you totally immersed by definition. But you'll certainly be a little closer to that sensation. You will definitely notice a big difference even at 12 feet. I wouldn't worry about that so much if I were you. And I'm sure you'll experience a better picture as well unless you just favor that rptv look. A handful of years ago I think you could still make that argument but now I think the panels are just better. As I type this I'm watching Iron Man on a flat panel (older model 37 inch) and it's crisper than my Mitsubishi 65" rptv. What you'll gain I believe will be far better than what you could question about a 12' seating distance.

Thank you for your input.
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I agree with Closet Geek, and as the op mentioned if you also get yourself a good quality audio system, it will help dramatically with really getting u into what you are watching.

Huh?

I am the OP, and I do have a separate nice 5.1 setup...
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