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post #1471 of 11424
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Originally Posted by johnBoston123 View Post


One other question is with the color white. It looks like it flickers a bit. I stopped at Best Buy today and their tv looked the same. Is this a plasma thing? I've only owned LED.

Thanks!

PS: Any updates on the fan issue? I plan to call Panasonic tomorrow.


Yes mine flickers a bit on bright white(but so does my Panasonic Projector) so maybe its an issue with their video processing of whites? It does't bother me too much, so I can live with it because everything else is fantastic smile.gif
Edited by mr stroke - 7/1/13 at 2:28am
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Is it possible to use the Iphone app to power on the set? The ZT is using wireless to access my network. If I run an Ethernet cable to it can I power it on with the iphone? Or will I have to always use the remote to power it on and then use the iphone as a remote?
post #1473 of 11424
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Originally Posted by jmoline View Post

Is it possible to use the Iphone app to power on the set? The ZT is using wireless to access my network. If I run an Ethernet cable to it can I power it on with the iphone? Or will I have to always use the remote to power it on and then use the iphone as a remote?

You can use the Vieraremote2 app to turn it on.
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Question guys, can the ZT be calibrated to 40fl? If it cannot be accurately calibrated to 40fl, then what is the absolute highest fl it can be calibrated to?
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More daytime shots - will do some night time soon enough... notice that my cable box 720p is nigh-unphotgraphable compared to 1080p coming from HTPC...



3 windows.... lots of light!



This shot clearly shows the reflection of the mirrored closet directly in front of the TV there...
post #1476 of 11424
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Originally Posted by praktik View Post

More daytime shots - will do some night time soon enough... notice that my cable box 720p is nigh-unphotgraphable compared to 1080p coming from HTPC...

Any particular reason you've got your cable box set to output 720p rather than 1080i?
Edited by hoozthatat - 7/1/13 at 11:20am
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Tried both, 720p seems better on this particular TV, you find 1080i is better w/ yours?

Maybe i didn't give 1080i enough time I can try toggling back
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I called Panasonic customer "service" today. What an experience that was. I then gave up and called Geek Squad. They wanted to replace the tv due to the fan noise. Should I go ahead with a replacement or should I have a service call? I setup a service call for Wednesday but not I'm second guessing myself. I initially thought service call since the tv has no banding issues or dead pixels that I've noticed. Thoughts?
post #1479 of 11424
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Originally Posted by praktik View Post

Tried both, 720p seems better on this particular TV, you find 1080i is better w/ yours?

Maybe i didn't give 1080i enough time I can try toggling back

I don't own a ZT60, I own an LG PZ950 PDP. I have DirecTV and my box is set to output at 1080i. In my experiences you receive much more "information" and an all around better picture with 1080i over 720p. But if you've toggled and prefer 720 then I'd go with what you prefer smile.gif

Just trying to help you squeeze every bit of beauty out of the ZT wink.gif
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Originally Posted by johnBoston123 View Post

I called Panasonic customer "service" today. What an experience that was. I then gave up and called Geek Squad. They wanted to replace the tv due to the fan noise. Should I go ahead with a replacement or should I have a service call? I setup a service call for Wednesday but not I'm second guessing myself. I initially thought service call since the tv has no banding issues or dead pixels that I've noticed. Thoughts?
I always deal with the people I paid for an item, not the ones who manufactured it. More accountability that way. Let the retailer deal with the manufacturer.
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Originally Posted by Mixdoctor View Post

Question guys, can the ZT be calibrated to 40fl? If it cannot be accurately calibrated to 40fl, then what is the absolute highest fl it can be calibrated to?

Doesn't look like it. D-Nice just did one and got 31 ISF night and 34 ISF day.
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Originally Posted by johnBoston123 View Post

I called Panasonic customer "service" today. What an experience that was. I then gave up and called Geek Squad. They wanted to replace the tv due to the fan noise. Should I go ahead with a replacement or should I have a service call? I setup a service call for Wednesday but not I'm second guessing myself. I initially thought service call since the tv has no banding issues or dead pixels that I've noticed. Thoughts?

I would exchange it. Just make sure that they know that it is for noisy fans and write it on the return ticket as well.
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Originally Posted by tbass2k View Post

You can use the Vieraremote2 app to turn it on.

I have been using the Viera Remote 2 App working .... for everything but power on. Is Power on over Wire Less supported ... or does it need to be hard wired to the router/switch in order to get power on to work? It seems like more of the TV would have to be up and running to keep the wireless signal active.

Never Mind .... I just ran a cable across the floor to the TV and power on works via Ethernet Cable .. just not via Wireless.
Edited by jmoline - 7/1/13 at 1:49pm
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I am looking for a good calibrator in Tampa area. There is Best Buy in Brandon that is pretty good in carrying the latest product but the geek squad is not to my expectations. Appreciate any input..
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Originally Posted by Butters_ View Post

I am looking for a good calibrator in Tampa area. There is Best Buy in Brandon that is pretty good in carrying the latest product but the geek squad is not to my expectations. Appreciate any input..
I will be there later this month. Please PM for details.
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Originally Posted by Mixdoctor View Post

Question guys, can the ZT be calibrated to 40fl? If it cannot be accurately calibrated to 40fl, then what is the absolute highest fl it can be calibrated to?

Doesn't look like it. D-Nice just did one and got 31 ISF night and 34 ISF day.
THX-Brightroom can do it.... you just have to live with that video mode's limitations.
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Originally Posted by Immoros View Post

D-Nice calibrated mine yesterday. Great results - noticeably better than CNet's settings, especially when viewing at night, and those were noticeably better than out-of-box, which was already a great picture. Very glad he was touring in my area and available.
Glad to hear you are enjoying the display smile.gif It was nice meeting you.
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

THX-Brightroom can do it.... you just have to live with that video mode's limitations.


Thanks D. Other than the brightness, that mode is just OK. I would think the only way to make that mode a little more accurate would be service menu adjustments? I guess the ISF modes are limited in their (accurate) brightness?
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Originally Posted by johnBoston123 View Post

I called Panasonic customer "service" today. What an experience that was. I then gave up and called Geek Squad. They wanted to replace the tv due to the fan noise. Should I go ahead with a replacement or should I have a service call? I setup a service call for Wednesday but not I'm second guessing myself. I initially thought service call since the tv has no banding issues or dead pixels that I've noticed. Thoughts?

I just went ahead with replacement. I have no other issue than the fan, and I had all your concerns as well, but I couldn't stand the fridge noise anymore.

I let you know if the new set have any issue. BTW, the first BB store wanted to schedule a Geek Squad checkup of the fan before exchange/repair. I went to another store and asked for a return, and they exchanged my TV. But, they made me go to MDC and make sure other TVs did not sound like what I am experiencing, and to my surprise they were all silent! Go figure! Maybe I really got a bad lemon.
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Originally Posted by Lost! View Post

I just went ahead with replacement. I have no other issue than the fan, and I had all your concerns as well, but I couldn't stand the fridge noise anymore.

I let you know if the new set have any issue. BTW, the first BB store wanted to schedule a Geek Squad checkup of the fan before exchange/repair. I went to another store and asked for a return, and they exchanged my TV. But, they made me go to MDC and make sure other TVs did not sound like what I am experiencing, and to my surprise they were all silent! Go figure! Maybe I really got a bad lemon.

I went to MHT inside Best Buy in Tustin Ca and their 65ZT60 demo also has the fridge noise. The 65VT60 next to it is not as noisy. The 65ZT60 demo in Cerritos Ca has the fridge noise as well.

R
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Good Morning,

I own a 65ZT60 #1424. It seems as if the contrast control is not working. Using the Spears/Munsil bluray test cd I get no change in dynamic range from 100 to about 53. In that range I can only make out 242 with a max of 253 on the scale. To see the full scale I have to lower contrast to 39 which leads to a very dim picture. Even when using Calman and a C6 meter with panel at mid brightness, ftl starts at 40ftl. at 90 it drops to 38ftl with no other change until I lower contrast to 65 at which point ftl is 35ftl, which I think is pretty coarse, with no change in dynamic range. I see no change in dynamic range until about 53, with a significant change under 50 and again at 42 to 40. I've checked this with other plasmas I have ( vt25 and a Samsung 860, both 60") and both show incremental changes going from max contrast to desired point where entire dynamic range is displayed. Is this normal for this display. Same results setting hdmi range to nonstandard.
post #1492 of 11424
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Originally Posted by Razvanel View Post

I went to MHT inside Best Buy in Tustin Ca and their 65ZT60 demo also has the fridge noise. The 65VT60 next to it is not as noisy. The 65ZT60 demo in Cerritos Ca has the fridge noise as well.

R

It is completely random, and based on my observations every unit has some kind of noise, but the level might improve on the next set. I will only exchange once, since I became premium silver, now I have 60 days for the second unit. If nothing works out in two months, I can always get something else other than ZT.
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Originally Posted by bballer View Post

Good Morning,

I own a 65ZT60 #1424. It seems as if the contrast control is not working. Using the Spears/Munsil bluray test cd I get no change in dynamic range from 100 to about 53. In that range I can only make out 242 with a max of 253 on the scale. To see the full scale I have to lower contrast to 39 which leads to a very dim picture. Even when using Calman and a C6 meter with panel at mid brightness, ftl starts at 40ftl. at 90 it drops to 38ftl with no other change until I lower contrast to 65 at which point ftl is 35ftl, which I think is pretty coarse, with no change in dynamic range. I see no change in dynamic range until about 53, with a significant change under 50 and again at 42 to 40. I've checked this with other plasmas I have ( vt25 and a Samsung 860, both 60") and both show incremental changes going from max contrast to desired point where entire dynamic range is displayed. Is this normal for this display. Same results setting hdmi range to nonstandard.

I think you are reaching to the point why people say ZT is dim. I read some comments above from D-Nice that 40ftl is only achievable in THX Bright mode on this set.
post #1494 of 11424
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Originally Posted by hoozthatat View Post

I don't own a ZT60, I own an LG PZ950 PDP. I have DirecTV and my box is set to output at 1080i. In my experiences you receive much more "information" and an all around better picture with 1080i over 720p. But if you've toggled and prefer 720 then I'd go with what you prefer smile.gif

Just trying to help you squeeze every bit of beauty out of the ZT wink.gif

Ya not much of a difference, maybe slight increase in noise on 1080i I think this is because my broadcasts are all 720p up here in Canada, so setting the STB to 1080i just adds a transformation from the 720 source.... Maybe 1080i would look better if i actually got broadcasts that way...
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The amount of data sent for 1080i and 720p is pretty much the same. The "information content" difference actually depends on the amount of motion in the image you are watching. If you have the option of having either delivered in its native formate (not converted), you will likely be more happy with 1080i with static landscape type broadcast, and 720p with quicker pans and sporting events. As you surmised, since your broadcasts are in 720p, there would have been no advantage to have it converted to 1080i.
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Hello everyone,

I was wondering how many of you also owned a Kuro? I have a KRP-500m and although I am not considering upgrading at this time, I am curious as to how the picture quality compares to a ZT60. I have heard conflicting reports on this subject. At least a few reviews have reported that the ZT60 has outdone the Kuro in convincing fashion. But I believe experts like D-Nice have said that that is not the case. From what I recall reading in another thread, the mll of a ZT60 is somewhere around 0.0012 ftl, while a KRP-500m is 0.0004. And I believe D-Nice can get them lower even than that. From what I have read, a 9.5g Kuro can get a bit brighter as well.

Now obviously black level is not the most important attribute. I believe the Panasonic ZT60 can be calibrated more precisely regarding the colors and has a superior filter which allows it to "keep" its blacks better with ambient light, while the Kuro will wash out more.

As a KRP-500m owner, does the ZT60 win in every other category EXCEPT black level? I know Kuro's have become somewhat legendary in their reputation given how far ahead of their time they were and how long it took the competition to catch up, but I am wondering whether internet fans have dilluded themselves into not recognizing the improvements in technology because of the Kuro legacy?

For myself, I am more than happy with a KRP-500m, but I was wondering if anyone could give an honest assessment of the differences between the two?


Thanks and I am sure you will all enjoy your ZT60s. They are no doubt fantastic displays, though they might be the last great plasmas. If there is any significant delay in OLED tech becoming affordable and free of significant defects, it might be a few years yet where the last Kuros and the 2013 Panasonic plasmas are the best you can get.
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Just watched the CE week video, and those 4K LED TV prices make my ZT purchase a true bargain!
post #1498 of 11424
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Originally Posted by jrodefeld View Post

Hello everyone,

I was wondering how many of you also owned a Kuro? I have a KRP-500m and although I am not considering upgrading at this time, I am curious as to how the picture quality compares to a ZT60. I have heard conflicting reports on this subject. At least a few reviews have reported that the ZT60 has outdone the Kuro in convincing fashion. But I believe experts like D-Nice have said that that is not the case. From what I recall reading in another thread, the mll of a ZT60 is somewhere around 0.0012 ftl, while a KRP-500m is 0.0004. And I believe D-Nice can get them lower even than that. From what I have read, a 9.5g Kuro can get a bit brighter as well.

Now obviously black level is not the most important attribute. I believe the Panasonic ZT60 can be calibrated more precisely regarding the colors and has a superior filter which allows it to "keep" its blacks better with ambient light, while the Kuro will wash out more.

As a KRP-500m owner, does the ZT60 win in every other category EXCEPT black level? I know Kuro's have become somewhat legendary in their reputation given how far ahead of their time they were and how long it took the competition to catch up, but I am wondering whether internet fans have dilluded themselves into not recognizing the improvements in technology because of the Kuro legacy?

For myself, I am more than happy with a KRP-500m, but I was wondering if anyone could give an honest assessment of the differences between the two?


Thanks and I am sure you will all enjoy your ZT60s. They are no doubt fantastic displays, though they might be the last great plasmas. If there is any significant delay in OLED tech becoming affordable and free of significant defects, it might be a few years yet where the last Kuros and the 2013 Panasonic plasmas are the best you can get.
As you surmised, the 500M/101FD will go darker, full stop. I had the 111FD, which is approximately on par with the ZT60 at 0.001 ftL. If you add the engineering trick as utilized by D-Nice, every last gen Kuro will eclipse the ZT60 in black levels. I am happy to see an equivalent black level as my pro calibrated (by Dave Abrams in 2009) 111FD but at a much greater size. The picture is that much more enveloping. I don't notice it to be significantly dimmer than the 111FD, but I suspect it is given the increase in size and when accurately calibrated, 34 fL will be the upper limit of what the ZT60 can achieve.
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

As you surmised, the 500M/101FD will go darker, full stop. I had the 111FD, which is approximately on par with the ZT60 at 0.001 ftL. If you add the engineering trick as utilized by D-Nice, every last gen Kuro will eclipse the ZT60 in black levels. I am happy to see an equivalent black level as my pro calibrated (by Dave Abrams in 2009) 111FD but at a much greater size. The picture is that much more enveloping. I don't notice it to be significantly dimmer than the 111FD, but I suspect it is given the increase in size and when accurately calibrated, 34 fL will be the upper limit of what the ZT60 can achieve.

Thanks for the reply. Obviously the size increase will be noticeable. I believe even the 60" Kuros could get to the low 40s in ftL, and the KRP-500m/101FD can get to 48-52 ftL in ISF Day. I don't know about the 111fd but I assume it would be largely the same regarding max brightness.

What about other attributes to picture quality? Are the colors significantly more accurate? I believe the ZT60 has a wider color gamut than rec709 which I don't know if it is a good thing or not. What about motion resolution and handling? Any other differences you could mention?

Thanks for the help.
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I am reticent to make anymore comparisons since the ZT60 has not been calibrated (yet...may be a while before I can spring for one). frown.gif I'm pretty sure the motion resolution and color accuracy are on par with if not better than the Kuro.
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