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New to forum and didnt know where else to post so sorry if in wrong place.

Got new ZT 65" inch this week and have been watching when suddenly it auto-dimmed from a good level brightness to something dark/hard to see. Does the TV have an auto dimming feature? Has anyone else seen this?
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Originally Posted by Bibendum72 View Post

New to forum and didnt know where else to post so sorry if in wrong place.

Got new ZT 65" inch this week and have been watching when suddenly it auto-dimmed from a good level brightness to something dark/hard to see. Does the TV have an auto dimming feature? Has anyone else seen this?

Turn C.A.T.S. off.
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Many thanks!!!
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Originally Posted by Bibendum72 View Post

Many thanks!!!

No problem, Enjoy your new awesome HDTV.
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Turn C.A.T.S. off.

Along with everything else on the same page of the video settings!
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I am sorry to report that my replacement has the same, if not worse, fan/fridge noise. It is # 5354 and made in June. My conclusion is this: the fan/fridge noise is an issue with all units, but some people are less sensitive to the noise. Hope Panasonic finds and distributes a solution soon enough, or at the end of my 60 day return window, I will return ZT60 for good.

BTW, interesting new issue with the new set: the cable management holes behind the V shape stand do not have holes on the two upper slots!! They are completely solid! I thought maybe I can make it through with a screwdriver, but they seem to be made of solid metal. Maybe something is blocking it from the inside, but it doesn't seem like it. It is just amazing!
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Originally Posted by Lost! View Post

My conclusion is this: the fan/fridge noise is an issue with all units, but some people are less sensitive to the noise.

Nope. As mentioned before, I have spent much time tweaking fan profiles on fans in my HTPC, which sits beside the ZT, and generates noise in the 20-30db range.

The HTPC I hear even @ the low range of that.

ZT is silent.
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Nope. As mentioned before, I have spent much time tweaking fan profiles on fans in my HTPC, which sits beside the ZT, and generates noise in the 20-30db range.

The HTPC I hear even @ the low range of that.

ZT is silent.

I don't know, maybe the chance of getting a silent one is too slim. I don't have the required stamina to go through the exchange again, and honestly after seeing the new stand, I think something is wrong with Panasonic's quality check.
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Originally Posted by Lost! View Post

I don't know, maybe the chance of getting a silent one is too slim. I don't have the required stamina to go through the exchange again, and honestly after seeing the new stand, I think something is wrong with Panasonic's quality check.

Bummer, been hoping you would get a good one. I hope the poster that reports the BB's Panasonic rep is correct and there is a fix coming. Disappointed that the Panasonic Insider has not confirmed- not encouraging, but he is consistent. All he wants to discus is 4k LED and OLED sets now.

I have 30 days left before I have to make the big decision to return also. But did go ahead and activate my Costco Squartetrade warranty, since they use order date and not delivery date. Still thinking Panasonic will do us right- eventually.
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Originally Posted by skoor View Post

Bummer, been hoping you would get a good one. I hope the poster that reports the BB's Panasonic rep is correct and there is a fix coming. Disappointed that the Panasonic Insider has not confirmed- not encouraging, but he is consistent. All he wants to discus is 4k LED and OLED sets now.

I have 30 days left before I have to make the big decision to return also. But did go ahead and activate my Costco Squartetrade warranty, since they use order date and not delivery date. Still thinking Panasonic will do us right- eventually.

Thanks for your comments. I was very positive I would get a good one too, but it seems this one is worse; of course, not by a large margin despite the stand issue.

Waiting is the only option for me too. Let's see what they come up with. This time I have 60 days, and a lot can happen in two months. Maybe Panasonic gives us all their OLED for free/beta test since we already beta tasted the ZT!
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My ZT was picked up by BB on Wednesday. So I tried a VT60 and ZT60. The fan noise on the 60 was the worst. The ZT was better but still annoying. I was debating holding on to the ZT and waiting, but it had green banding on the presets and I could also see it on some BRs. So it's back to my VT50. Looks good. Not fan noise or banding.
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Originally Posted by Lost! View Post

Thanks for your comments. I was very positive I would get a good one too, but it seems this one is worse; of course, not by a large margin despite the stand issue.

Waiting is the only option for me too. Let's see what they come up with. This time I have 60 days, and a lot can happen in two months. Maybe Panasonic gives us all their OLED for free/beta test since we already beta tasted the ZT!

Yeah, the odds are just not good.

And I have come to strong conclusion the fan noise is not so much as air turbulence/panel resonance, but some interaction of the fan motor (perhaps some have marginal fan bearings) and the electronic speed control at low rpms (perhaps its pulse rate is too slow). Or it takes both. On my set, the initial high speed fan noise is just normal fan "white type of noise." Only when it slows down does it get the warbling sound.

Anyway, there is some oblivious variability between sets from silent to fridge noises that implies some QC problem.

Bet a few calls from BB to Panasonic on all the complaints and returns on the VT/ZT are going on behind the scene. They can't be happy with all the returns especially on their exclusive ZT.
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

My ZT was picked up by BB on Wednesday. So I tried a VT60 and ZT60. The fan noise on the 60 was the worst. The ZT was better but still annoying. I was debating holding on to the ZT and waiting, but it had green banding on the presets and I could also see it on some BRs. So it's back to my VT50. Looks good. Not fan noise or banding.

Sorry to hear it didn't work. I love the picture, but I don't want to have regrets next year! Although I got a good discount on it, I still did pay +$3600. Now, if this was a $2000 TV, I could tolerate the noise and the QC problems wink.gif

My other option is to get the $700 BDI bracket, and go with the 8500. Or go break the bank and get the 4K and regret the PQ!
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Originally Posted by Lost! View Post

Sorry to hear it didn't work. I love the picture, but I don't want to have regrets next year! Although I got a good discount on it, I still did pay +$3600. Now, if this was a $2000 TV, I could tolerate the noise and the QC problems wink.gif

My other option is to get the $700 BDI bracket, and go with the 8500. Or go break the bank and get the 4K and regret the PQ!
I already own a vt60 i like the setalot, but i also have a 64" f8500 coming to test .... I will finally see what all this buzzing is about oh and i know for a fact the filter is alot better then the VT.. So this will help in my living room. Oh and the so called brightness lol during the day , cant wait to see this ground breaking technology next to my 65 " VT60 .. Who will be the one to stay , find out on july 12.. Got a splitter on the way to test. Csig1001 electronics show 2013 .. I will be voting.testing will be at high altitude 6500ft with a strong emphasis on fan /buzzing noise and blacks/whites, 24p playback and star trek and playing some Planet Life at the south pole to demonstrate so called pure whites on the F8500..

robert owner of value electronics and ken ross not invited.
Edited by CSIG1001 - 7/5/13 at 3:03pm
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^lol

Beware the buzz at 6500 feet especially!
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

My ZT was picked up by BB on Wednesday. So I tried a VT60 and ZT60. The fan noise on the 60 was the worst. The ZT was better but still annoying. I was debating holding on to the ZT and waiting, but it had green banding on the presets and I could also see it on some BRs. So it's back to my VT50. Looks good. Not fan noise or banding.
Bummer...onward to 2014 then?
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green banding on the presets
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What do you mean by that? Presets meaning Standard/THX modes?
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Well, I took the plunge a little earlier than expected and ordered a 60ZT60. Should be in my house early next week! Hoping I don't have issues like others are experiencing. I am excited!!

It may be hard to believe, but this was my first time inside a BB/MHT. I wanted to look at all the various models and see how they compared. They had the VT60 ZT60 and F8500 near each other. The VT60 was turned off, some of the TVs were stuck in 3d mode, and they all looked TERRIBLE. Some of the TVs had a green tint to everything; others had an orange tint -- so bad that people looked like they had spray on tan. I was horrified, thinking about the TV at home that looked 1000x better than anything in MHT. I was surprised how bad the TVs were off-color, and that they just left some of them sitting in 3d mode (look very blurry).

On top of that, the content they were playing was jerky and had lots of artifacts. The video would pause on all tvs for a few frames than continue and repeat this cycle. Something definitely wrong with playback. I mentioned how bad the video looked on all the TVs and the MHT person noted the source was 720P, component input on all TVs as they didn't have HDMI/1080p distribution setup yet in the store yet. Yikes! If I hadn't been researching like mad, visiting sites like this, or had not already bought one 2013 model, I would have thought the current crop of TVs were just awful. Surprising they didn't have everything pristine and looking great in order to make a sell. Guess Geeksquad didn't do a calibration.. or maybe they did?

I went in knowing what I wanted, but didn't let on. They immediately steered me to Panasonic, and noted that they had been given 3 out of the 4 top honors by CNet. As soon as I expressed interest in the ZT they basically downplayed everything else, including the F8500. I asked a lot about the 8500, but they continued to pimp Panasonic, even the VT over the 8500. They told me a lot of people had been complaining about a couple of issues with the 8500 including buggy smart TV software. I didn't take it serious though, I just think they were trying to convince me to buy the ZT, saying what they could. Nothing they said about the 8500 would have persuaded me to not buy it had I been wanting one. They had the ZT60 in THX Bright room. Not sure about the 8500. Brightness between the two sets at that location was similar, though we all know the 8500 can do a lot more in that department. They admitted they had only sold a small handfull of ZTs and that lack of returns didn't mean anything with numbers that low.

Anyway, that was my first experience with BB/MHT. My previous few TVs have been bought online. This is the first in-store TV purchase I've done in quite a while... probably the first in 10 years.
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

green banding on the presets
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What do you mean by that? Presets meaning Standard/THX modes?

Yeah. THX and especially THX Bright Room. But I also saw it to a much lesser degree on Cinema with CNET settings. By banding I mean greenish tint on the contours/shadowing on skin tones and faces. I don't recall seeing it when I had the VT60 and it doesn't exist on my VT50.
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

^lol

Beware the buzz at 6500 feet especially!

I had the ST30 60" so i might be accustom to the buzz already. The fan noise on the VT does not bother me , although when you are watching TV 3am with the volume really low you can hear it . It is not annoying in a bad way at all , mostly like a white noise. I have never heard the buzzing on the VT unless i stick my head to the back of the tv . So I will finally see which set is worse on that matter. The filter on the F8500 is a definite improvement due to the bonded process they used like the ZT, unlike the VT which has a space between the glass and panel . I know I will be sacrificing my blacks during the night which does bring out amazing shadow detail and contrast but the F8500 could suit my needs during the day since my living room is full of windows . I do like leaving the windows open during the day and I will admit the smart features on the samsung are alot better for me since i own a samsung galaxy and like the overall features layout etc. Seems to me the samsung smart hub has more apps, alot better design and layout . I want to see what all these comments on the F8500 forum is all about how the picture is washed out on the panasonic and dirty whites.

The ZT/VT has the samsung beat when it comes to the stand since my center speaker now is going to be sticking out further due to the F8500 design. I really dont care about the speakers on the VT since i have a surround sound system although its definitely a nice feature to have. Since I did reevaluate the F8500 and VT 60 at pauls tv and listen up stores by plugging in settings found on here for both tvs and using default THX modes i have noticed the F8500 has the VT beat slightly on THX bright room in the store. The filter on the F8500 is alot more aggressive blocking out recess lighting and window reflections. What i have noticed also is the VT/ZT use a reflective mirror like bezel which i liked at first but now is nothing but a nuisance. Since it reflects everything worse then the screen itself . Dont get me wrong the bezel on the VT/ZT is awesome but if you have the lights on in the room it can be annoying . The ST60 is a more logical design since it looks less reflective then a VT.

I am sure the F8500 will not be as good in a completely dark room compared to the F8500 but i will get a better idea how it looks when I have it in my living room at night. I really dont care about gaming and I doubt the average person will be able to tell a difference when playing a game on both tv , lag etc. A real gamer owns a desktop and plays FPS on that anyway.
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

Yeah. THX and especially THX Bright Room. But I also saw it to a much lesser degree on Cinema with CNET settings. By banding I mean greenish tint on the contours/shadowing on skin tones and faces. I don't recall seeing it when I had the VT60 and it doesn't exist on my VT50.
Surely something that can be addressed with an actual calibration, no? Or were you planning on avoiding one of those? smile.gif It will be a long time before I can afford one, but after having a Kuro calibrated professionally, I know I'll get it done eventually.
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Originally Posted by CSIG1001 View Post

I had the ST30 60" so i might be accustom to the buzz already. The fan noise on the VT does not bother me , although when you are watching TV 3am with the volume really low you can hear it . It is not annoying in a bad way at all , mostly like a white noise. I have never heard the buzzing on the VT unless i stick my head to the back of the tv . So I will finally see which set is worse on that matter. The filter on the F8500 is a definite improvement due to the bonded process they used like the ZT, unlike the VT which has a space between the glass and panel . I know I will be sacrificing my blacks during the night which does bring out amazing shadow detail and contrast but the F8500 could suit my needs during the day since my living room is full of windows . I do like leaving the windows open during the day and I will admit the smart features on the samsung are alot better for me since i own a samsung galaxy and like the overall features layout etc. Seems to me the samsung smart hub has more apps, alot better design and layout . I want to see what all these comments on the F8500 forum is all about how the picture is washed out on the panasonic and dirty whites.

The ZT/VT has the samsung beat when it comes to the stand since my center speaker now is going to be sticking out further due to the F8500 design. I really dont care about the speakers on the VT since i have a surround sound system although its definitely a nice feature to have. Since I did reevaluate the F8500 and VT 60 at pauls tv and listen up stores by plugging in settings found on here for both tvs and using default THX modes i have noticed the F8500 has the VT beat slightly on THX bright room in the store. The filter on the F8500 is alot more aggressive blocking out recess lighting and window reflections. What i have noticed also is the VT/ZT use a reflective mirror like bezel which i liked at first but now is nothing but a nuisance. Since it reflects everything worse then the screen itself . Dont get me wrong the bezel on the VT/ZT is awesome but if you have the lights on in the room it can be annoying . The ST60 is a more logical design since it looks less reflective then a VT.

I am sure the F8500 will not be as good in a completely dark room compared to the F8500 but i will get a better idea how it looks when I have it in my living room at night. I really dont care about gaming and I doubt the average person will be able to tell a difference when playing a game on both tv , lag etc. A real gamer owns a desktop and plays FPS on that anyway.
Man, if you are sold on the F8500, at least you'll be able to participate in the owner's thread (as opposed to the discussion thread from which you were banned), LOL.
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

Yeah. THX and especially THX Bright Room. But I also saw it to a much lesser degree on Cinema with CNET settings. By banding I mean greenish tint on the contours/shadowing on skin tones and faces. I don't recall seeing it when I had the VT60 and it doesn't exist on my VT50.

I think it is very hard to see these if you don't know what they are. I tell you what though, the colors on the new unit is far off than the first one. I don't know, maybe it is because I haven't run the slides enough yet, but the first TV was perfect in every mode which makes me wonder why. This one definitely requires a pro calibration, if I keep it.
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Yeah. THX and especially THX Bright Room. But I also saw it to a much lesser degree on Cinema with CNET settings. By banding I mean greenish tint on the contours/shadowing on skin tones and faces. I don't recall seeing it when I had the VT60 and it doesn't exist on my VT50.
Surely something that can be addressed with an actual calibration, no? Or were you planning on avoiding one of those? smile.gif It will be a long time before I can afford one, but after having a Kuro calibrated professionally, I know I'll get it done eventually.

I always get my set calibrated. But it is typically done in the ISF Day/Night modes (professional 1/2). I was using THX Bright Room for daytime viewing since it is the only mode that gets bright enough for day viewing in my room. I guess a calibrator could fix it but it would have to be service menu adjustments.

In answer to you other question, I am leaning toward 2014.
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Best buy sucks when it comes to buying a TV .. Their showroom is pretty sad and almost every shop puts it on vivid or store mode aka torch mode. You are better off going to a local dealer if possible to comfortable plug in settings from this forum and try to compare both sets. You will get a good idea how both sets also sound since there has been complaints of buzzing and fan noise . The panasonic lineup at bestbuy is now more negotiable but samsung is still stuck with the unilaterally pricing agreement supposedly .

Panasonic needs to tighten up their game next year or else the ZT is not going to be a money maker. They should of just made a VT60 with all the features of a ZT and called it a day. Samsung almost made a billion dollars last year while panasonic and sony are losing almost a billion dollars. You can see it already with samsung pushing out firmware updates and providing a more resourceful interactive smart menu app support vs the panasonic viera which i think is a joke and no firmware or updates to improve the quality of the set. Japanese should be ashamed . I guess time will only tell which tv will hold up the best since Japanese are known for quality components . I remember hearing on here that samsung has panel peeling , overheating , power supply issues etc burn in . We all know burn in and image retention has improved on both sets however there is still not enough research or time to know if the samsung panel will do well with its new so called ground breaking whites and higher light output
It could end up being like putting on a turbo on a crappy engine that was never meant to be installed on it .
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Firmware updates usually aren't an enhancement. They're often just to fix a problem that shouldn't have existed to begin with.
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Man, if you are sold on the F8500, at least you'll be able to participate in the owner's thread (as opposed to the discussion thread from which you were banned), LOL.

ROFL

yeah but my input is worthless since i am not F8500 owner

wait i am now so does this mean i can go on there ? haha

since i am a VT60 owner i might be shunned for life , not being able to come back into the village . The leaders have banned me for life , there is no hope of ever returning . hahah


All i said was you guys should watch the movie pitch black on the VT because you dont know what you are missing Lol
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Just wanted to weigh in my thoughts on the set (65 inch ZT) since most of the posts have been about the fan in this thread.

After watching real content for the past couple weeks, I can say I am extremely impressed and satisfied with both the picture it produces in THX Cinema and Cnet settings. I can't wait till I get a full ISF calibration from the man who did my kuro (AccuCal/Jeff) when the break in is over.

I will admit in extremely low volume monologue/conversational parts of content, you can still hear the fan but with the cheap cardboard mods a lot refuse to use, it is extremely minimal....you'd have to not be paying attention to the movie and try to listen for it to notice (around 11 ft viewing distance). Mine is wall mounted on a thin profile mount so the sound amplified a bit after mounting. I can say it's a small thing though compared to the PQ it delivers on 65" of estate. I also tried to touch the screen backing and edges after 6-8 hours of operation in environments of 76 degrees to 80 degrees ambient and it's barely warm so I doubt there is any real heat issues with the diffusers. Right now I'm battling the heat from my preamp (Marantz AV8801) that needs some custom cooling and that's making far more noise than the tv.

Compared to the kuro, I am already impressed at the color it produces and the blacks are spot on compared to my isf calibrated 151FD. My only complaint is I feel the kuro still handles motion better on normal BD contents (23.97) on panning/fast motion etc. But it's a small thing, the rest has been an absolute joy.

I see from some posts supposedly Panasonic will have some kind of fix/retrofit....not holding my breath but not going to sweat over it either since the tv has been awesome. Just figured some positive thoughts might help instead of just another complaint about fan noise. From the sets I've heard (1 @ magnolia design center and my own), 1 is basically silent at best buy (could be because the AC is turned way up now I think about it) and mine which has some whirling sounds that you can't notice @ all with normal content/sound system unless it's a quiet scene.....I'd venture to say they all have this issue and it's a design flaw of the back plate that covers those fans. I wouldn't let these posts scare potential buyers though, I suggest people go and watch and listen to the sets themselves to make a decision.
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

Firmware updates usually aren't an enhancement. They're often just to fix a problem that shouldn't have existed to begin with.

I think through software the fan RPM can be adjusted or even tweaked to exhibit less noise. also I remember clearly from the HD shootout that every calibrator there expressed that there is a bug in the menu where they had issues copying the calibration settings onto other inputs. Still havent seen a update for that
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Originally Posted by sensui View Post

Just wanted to weigh in my thoughts on the set (65 inch ZT) since most of the posts have been about the fan in this thread.

After watching real content for the past couple weeks, I can say I am extremely impressed and satisfied with both the picture it produces in THX Cinema and Cnet settings. I can't wait till I get a full ISF calibration from the man who did my kuro (AccuCal/Jeff) when the break in is over.

I will admit in extremely low volume monologue/conversational parts of content, you can still hear the fan but with the cheap cardboard mods a lot refuse to use, it is extremely minimal....you'd have to not be paying attention to the movie and try to listen for it to notice (around 11 ft viewing distance). Mine is wall mounted on a thin profile mount so the sound amplified a bit after mounting. I can say it's a small thing though compared to the PQ it delivers on 65" of estate. I also tried to touch the screen backing and edges after 6-8 hours of operation in environments of 76 degrees to 80 degrees ambient and it's barely warm so I doubt there is any real heat issues with the diffusers. Right now I'm battling the heat from my preamp (Marantz AV8801) that needs some custom cooling and that's making far more noise than the tv.

Compared to the kuro, I am already impressed at the color it produces and the blacks are spot on compared to my isf calibrated 151FD. My only complaint is I feel the kuro still handles motion better on normal BD contents (23.97) on panning/fast motion etc. But it's a small thing, the rest has been an absolute joy.

I see from some posts supposedly Panasonic will have some kind of fix/retrofit....not holding my breath but not going to sweat over it either since the tv has been awesome. Just figured some positive thoughts might help instead of just another complaint about fan noise. From the sets I've heard (1 @ magnolia design center and my own), 1 is basically silent at best buy (could be because the AC is turned way up now I think about it) and mine which has some whirling sounds that you can't notice @ all with normal content/sound system unless it's a quiet scene.....I'd venture to say they all have this issue and it's a design flaw of the back plate that covers those fans. I wouldn't let these posts scare potential buyers though, I suggest people go and watch and listen to the sets themselves to make a decision.

You have not owned the set long enough or maybe have not watched the tv yet for long periods to realize that it does get hot on the back. It happens to both sets F8500 and VT/ZT . I just dont understand what panasonic was thinking when they were designing the ZT/VT. we are in 2013 and they had a nerve to put fans on a tv. Samsung got it right when they redesigned the panel to draw the heat out and not use fans. I am pretty sure the buzzing is worse or on par with the ZT/VT we just cant hear it because of the fans. like i said earlier only time will tell how long both sets will last before component failure kicks in . I am might even buy a IR device just to test which set puts off more heat comparing the VT vs 8500. I think plasma days are numbered here in the next 2 years. a 65" plasma costs 39-40 dollars a year to run vs a 65" LED at 19.00 which has no sound and half the heat coming off it . Plasma is going to have to do some amazing things next year to keep competitive vs LED in the market here in the future.
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