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Originally Posted by skTVuser1 View Post

yes, was sold as new. I have the receipt that says it. i have half a mind to report them to BBB. No dont want more discount...Trust is gone, they were better then Best Buy by $200 or so, i would rather spend that money now than trust this other place. Unbelievable !
Totally understandable. Goes to show that as much as we like trying to shop around, sometimes the big corporations are a bit more reliable. As it is, if you return it you most certainly should file a complaint with the BBB after you've returned the item since they notify the company. The BBB has no real enforcement powers or authority so not much would come of it unfortunately but it would give you some peace of mind I suppose. I would employ online sources (Yelp, etc.) to document the complaint as well. A simple mistake is forgivable but selling a returned or floor demo item as new is just outright fraud.
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I feel that I should have been able to find this answer, but a search yielded no results. Is there just one set of D-Nice slides for all the 2013 panels? I'm expecting my ZT60 in three days and I don't want to find out 100 hours too late that I ran the wrong slides. eek.gif Thanks.
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Originally Posted by chicken vindaloo View Post

I feel that I should have been able to find this answer, but a search yielded no results. Is there just one set of D-Nice slides for all the 2013 panels? I'm expecting my ZT60 in three days and I don't want to find out 100 hours too late that I ran the wrong slides. eek.gif Thanks.
The only settngs that D-Nice has posted here are for the ST60 models. He set up space for additional posts, but so far there haven't been any.
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Originally Posted by changboy View Post

Just for info i give u number of mine and fabric month

NUMBER ; AO7777 JULY 2013 (canada)

like that u will know if ur next unit its a new batch, i got mine end of july.


Hows the fan on your unit? Any IR issues with your panel? I decide to watch sports center on my ZT last night for about an hour... since its going back any way I wanted to see how bad the IR would be. Its BAD after only an hour. I have over 200hrs on the set. I watched roughly 5 hours of full screen content and did the wipe; the IR is still there!! I'm now second guessing if this is the TV for me.mad.gif
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Originally Posted by Lost! View Post

It is for European version: http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1769843-panasonic-tx-p60zt65-reviewers-recommended-best-settings.html
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Originally Posted by JackDVD78 View Post

Even though those settings are for the European set I prefer these settings much more than the CNET settings. Black / White films look so much better on the above settings link IMO than CNET. However I feel like I still want a professional to calibrate mine. I'm only at 153hrs at this time. I'm a film geek so I prefer film grain etc to be seen and want to put this tv settings to benefit the BLUs I watch.

+1, I also think it looks better than THX mode. The colors are a bit more natural and pleasing. THX colors seem a tiny flat to me. Also the blacks are just a hair better.
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Originally Posted by iChristopher View Post

Hows the fan on your unit? Any IR issues with your panel? I decide to watch sports center on my ZT last night for about an hour... since its going back any way I wanted to see how bad the IR would be. Its BAD after only an hour. I have over 200hrs on the set. I watched roughly 5 hours of full screen content and did the wipe; the IR is still there!! I'm now second guessing if this is the TV for me.mad.gif

Fan was just a little too loud to put up with. That's why I made the silencer kit and I am very pleased now.

I watch soccer a couple of times a week. The score board is on for the duration of the game, that can be 1 to 2 hours. I have not seen any IR.
I have not seen IR with channel logos either.

Did you have the Pixel Orbiter ON?
What is your contrast set as? I set mine below 45, not because I am trying to prevent IR, but because it just looks too bright to me. but the higher the contrast, the more risk of IR.
Edited by rx74ray - 8/20/13 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by Lost! View Post

I am thinking about getting my hands dirty. Those that calibrated their own display, do you think I should get an i1Basic Pro 2 or i1Display Pro device?

I always recommend a i1Pro (i1 Pro 2) Spectrometer, even a used i1Pro Rev D ($250-$450) is great. ColorMunki Spectro is my 2nd recommendation.

Why a Spectro, see why here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1373556/i1-pro-or-d3-if-you-could-only-have-one-meter

http://www.tlvexp.ca/2012/04/do-calibration-tables-really-work-for-tri-stim-devices/

And Read these Threads:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1449310/eye-one-pro-or-display-3-pro

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1464411/what-would-you-rather-have-for-display-calibration


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Originally Posted by rx74ray View Post

I watch soccer a couple of times a week. The score board is on for the duration of the game, that can be 1 to 2 hours. I have not seen any IR.
I have not seen IR with channel logos either.

Did you have the Pixel Orbiter ON?
What is your contrast set as? I set mine below 45, not because I am trying to prevent IR, but because it just looks too bright to me. but the higher the contrast, the more risk of IR.

I have similar experience. My contrast is at 50, not for IR, but because it is too bright otherwise. I haven't noticed IR yet. Probably have between 150 and 200 hours on the set so far. Having said that, I channel surf a lot, so I don't tend to stay on a channel for more than an hour or so. But I have watched a few letter box movies lately and checked for IR afterwards. Could not detect any. I've also game on my xbox 360, but again, not for more than an hour. I don't limit the time for IR, just don't happen to have any games I'm obsessed with at the moment. Pixel orbiter seems to be on by default. I just left it that way.
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Originally Posted by rx74ray View Post

Originally Posted by Lost! View Post

It is for European version: http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1769843-panasonic-tx-p60zt65-reviewers-recommended-best-settings.html
+1, I also think it looks better than THX mode. The colors are a bit more natural and pleasing. THX colors seem a tiny flat to me. Also the blacks are just a hair better.

Hhmm. I'll have to give those settings a try as well. I use THX cinema now, but I tweaked it with the Disney WOW disk. Using their color test pattern and the little blue filter that comes with the disk, the color needed to be turned up to 53 (maybe it is +3) and the tint to 54 (maybe it is +4). That made skin tones on bluray spot on to my eye. Oddly, skin tones from my cable box can occasionally look ever so slightly greenish. Since blurays are spot on I'll blame the source. Lord only knows what the cable company is doing to the signal.

Anyways, my point was, if you tweak the THX cinema with the a calibration disk like Disney's WOW, maybe the colors would not look flat in that picture mode.

Edit: Oh, I also have the color temperature set to normal. Can't remember if that was the default for THX cinema.
Edited by sooke - 8/20/13 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by chicken vindaloo View Post

Is there just one set of D-Nice slides for all the 2013 panels? I'm expecting my ZT60 in three days and I don't want to find out 100 hours too late that I ran the wrong slides. eek.gif Thanks.
There is only one set of slides. It shouldn't matter what tv they're used on. Regular full screen content would hasten phosphor aging as we'll as the slides so don't worry yourself too much.
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Originally Posted by iChristopher View Post

Any IR issues with your panel? I decide to watch sports center on my ZT last night for about an hour... since its going back any way I wanted to see how bad the IR would be. Its BAD after only an hour. I have over 200hrs on the set. I watched roughly 5 hours of full screen content and did the wipe; the IR is still there!! I'm now second guessing if this is the TV for me.mad.gif
I posted earlier how I was seeing IR after playing a PS3 game for a few hours but it was soon gone after a bit of regular full screen content. The strange thing about the IR I saw is that it was more pronounced along the edge of the screen. In other words, the game HUD had a fixed image causing the IR but only the part closest to the edge of the screen was visible. Moving away from the edge it faded to nothing.
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In regards to calibration. I just watched alot of bluray and full screen HD movies without any logos or bars (150 hours). I then just used the CNET settings. For me, this worked out pretty great and I recommend these settings for those who are not having a professional calibration. You can tweak as needed and a pro calibration will always be better - but I've found these to be pretty great "out of the box". Those settings (after aging) are as follows...

--Picture menu
Picture mode: Cinema
Contrast: 70
Brightness: 0
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color temp: Warm 2
Vivid Color: Off
Color remaster: Off
Photo enhancement: Off
C.A.T.S.: Off
Video NR: Off
MPEG remaster: Off
Resolution remaster: Off
Caption smoother: Off
Brilliance enhancer: Off
Motion Smoother: Weak

-- Pro settings submenu
Panel brightness: Mid
AGC: 0
Black extension: 0
Color Gamut: Rec. 709

W/B detail adjustment menu:
W/B high R: -4
W/B high G: 0
W/B high B: -2
W/B low R: 3
W/B low G: 0
W/B low B: 0

More detail adjustment menu:
[listed as Red, Green and Blue gain, respectively]
100 IRE: 0, 0, 0
90 IRE: -2, 0, 0
80 IRE: -2, 0, 0
70 IRE: -2, -1, 0
60 IRE: 0, 0, 0
50 IRE: 2, 0, 0
40 IRE: 0, 0, -2
30 IRE: 0, 0, -1
20 IRE: 0, 0, 0
10 IRE: 0, 0, 0

Color detail adjustment menu:
Red hue: 0
Red Saturation: -4
Red luminance: -5
Green hue: 14
Green Saturation: 10
Green luminance: 1
Blue hue: 0
Blue Saturation: 0
Blue luminance: -7
More detail adjustment menu:
Cyan hue: 5
Cyan Saturation: 0
Cyan luminance: 2
Magenta hue: 12
Magenta Saturation: 8
Magenta luminance: -10
Yellow hue: 5
Yellow saturation: 0
Yellow luminance: 3

Gamma detail adjustment menu:
Gamma: 2.2

More detail adjustment menu:
100 IRE: 0
90 IRE: -2
80 IRE: -2
70 IRE: 0
60 IRE: 0
50 IRE: 0
40 IRE: 0
30 IRE: -8
20 IRE: -8
10 IRE: 0

--Advanced picture submenu
Game mode: Off
24p Direct in: 96Hz [grayed out at 60Hz for non-1080p/24 sources]
3:2 pulldown: Auto [often grayed out depending on source]
1080p pure direct: Off [often grayed out depending on source]
HDMI content type: [all Off]
HDMI/DVI RGB range: [all Standard (16-235)]
Black level: Light

-- Screen settings menu
Screen format: Full
Overscan: Off
H Size: Size 1
[no other changes]
post #2535 of 11419
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Originally Posted by iChristopher View Post

Hows the fan on your unit? Any IR issues with your panel? I decide to watch sports center on my ZT last night for about an hour... since its going back any way I wanted to see how bad the IR would be. Its BAD after only an hour. I have over 200hrs on the set. I watched roughly 5 hours of full screen content and did the wipe; the IR is still there!! I'm now second guessing if this is the TV for me.mad.gif
I have no IR issues wonder why you do?
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Originally Posted by sooke View Post

I have similar experience. My contrast is at 50, not for IR, but because it is too bright otherwise. I haven't noticed IR yet. Probably have between 150 and 200 hours on the set so far. Having said that, I channel surf a lot, so I don't tend to stay on a channel for more than an hour or so. But I have watched a few letter box movies lately and checked for IR afterwards. Could not detect any. I've also game on my xbox 360, but again, not for more than an hour. I don't limit the time for IR, just don't happen to have any games I'm obsessed with at the moment. Pixel orbiter seems to be on by default. I just left it that way.

Don't set the contrast at 50, it will look unnatural. These modes are also too bright for me, mostly at night, so I copied the settings I like to Pro2, and turned CATS to ON. Now, everything looks perfectly dim for night viewing while preserving the colors.

Edit: My preferred settings are from the European link with Red Lume set to -5 instead of -10, and Green Hue set to 0 instead of -3. I also changed the 2points white balance on Green Gain from 0 to -3. It works wonder on my Comcast cable box. Keep in mind that my set has strong greenish hue. Also, sometimes I prefer this setting with gamma at 2.4.
Edited by Lost! - 8/20/13 at 10:45pm
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Originally Posted by rx74ray View Post

Fan was just a little too loud to put up with. That's why I made the silencer kit and I am very pleased now.

I watch soccer a couple of times a week. The score board is on for the duration of the game, that can be 1 to 2 hours. I have not seen any IR.
I have not seen IR with channel logos either.

Did you have the Pixel Orbiter ON?
What is your contrast set as? I set mine below 45, not because I am trying to prevent IR, but because it just looks too bright to me. but the higher the contrast, the more risk of IR.

I believe its on auto.... on thx mode contrast set to 50. This ZT is set to be picked up and exchanged on monday so its not a big deal.... Im just curious as to why IR is happening so easily. On the f8500 I had I would watch everything on it and no IR... granted it never looked as good as the ZT does PQ wise.... So I'm on the fence... I have close to 300 hrs and its still super sensitive to IR, I don't want to worry about IR all the time!
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Originally Posted by Bigmoviefan View Post

I have no IR issues wonder why you do?


I have no clue... could ti be a bad panel? The IR is racking up too... got espn logo cnn logo now too!
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Originally Posted by iChristopher View Post

I believe its on auto.... on thx mode contrast set to 50. This ZT is set to be picked up and exchanged on monday so its not a big deal.... Im just curious as to why IR is happening so easily. On the f8500 I had I would watch everything on it and no IR... granted it never looked as good as the ZT does PQ wise.... So I'm on the fence... I have close to 300 hrs and its still super sensitive to IR, I don't want to worry about IR all the time!
If theres that big of a difference between the 8500 and the ZT then I think you have a bad panel. We shall see when you get the replacement.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

If theres that big of a difference between the 8500 and the ZT then I think you have a bad panel. We shall see when you get the replacement.

I think that might be the case. The 8500 had its own set of issues(buzzing, horizontal bands, hdmi signal drop out, half the screen would lose color).... But IR was not one of them. I will see how the replacement works out.
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Originally Posted by iChristopher View Post

I think that might be the case. The 8500 had its own set of issues(buzzing, horizontal bands, hdmi signal drop out, half the screen would lose color).... But IR was not one of them. I will see how the replacement works out.
Some 8500 owners have reported IR problems. Its not unique to Panasonic.
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Question: Do the whites on all plasma a bit cream-ish? (this is my first plasma and comparing with the LED from the other room).
Anyone know how they compare with 8500? Getting a brand new replacement zt60 so wanted to explore before it gets here. Though I do not like the samsung stand and the borders. I dont have a problem with the windows or brightness level on zt60 except noticed that the whites are not true whites..noticeable only when there is lot of white background. Would the calibration settings posted here help with that?
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Originally Posted by skTVuser1 View Post

Question: Do the whites on all plasma a bit cream-ish? (this is my first plasma and comparing with the LED from the other room).
Anyone know how they compare with 8500? Getting a brand new replacement zt60 so wanted to explore before it gets here. Though I do not like the samsung stand and the borders. I dont have a problem with the windows or brightness level on zt60 except noticed that the whites are not true whites..noticeable only when there is lot of white background. Would the calibration settings posted here help with that?

Before I respond, I want to ask two questions in return:

1) Is your LED calibrated/pseudo-calibrated?

2) What temperature setting are you using on your LED?
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Originally Posted by muffinmcfluffin View Post

Before I respond, I want to ask two questions in return:

1) Is your LED calibrated/pseudo-calibrated?

2) What temperature setting are you using on your LED?

The LED (vizio) in the other room was psuedo calibrated. Believe the temperature setting is normal (just did the cnet settings for the vizio). The colors are saturated and not true, and I wanted side angle viewing so that's why I opted for plasma in the living room. All is good with plasma except noticing that the whites are not as white. Again not a deal breaker, just an observation. After I get my replacement zt60 will do the slides and calibration as in the settings thread.
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Originally Posted by skTVuser1 View Post

The LED (vizio) in the other room was psuedo calibrated. Believe the temperature setting is normal (just did the cnet settings for the vizio). The colors are saturated and not true, and I wanted side angle viewing so that's why I opted for plasma in the living room. All is good with plasma except noticing that the whites are not as white. Again not a deal breaker, just an observation. After I get my replacement zt60 will do the slides and calibration as in the settings thread.

Gotcha.

One of two things (or both) might be occurring, then:

1) Your LED is possibly pushing bluish whites if the Normal color temperature isn't measuring them around 6500K, which is not only perceived as "brighter," but will also make a warmer image you're not used to appear duller, dimmer, or creamier as you said.

2) The ZT60 simply does not have that high of peak whites, and your LED will certainly be brighter than any plasma out there (maybe except for Samsung's F8500). That in itself will definitely make your whites appear as more of a light gray, simply because they are. Probably the only notable downfall of this behemoth in terms of PQ, but in a completely dark room while watching movies, the calibrated version of this set nearly makes this a non-issue (since you're more than likely hitting your target peak whites anyway).

In short, you might have to get used to the look. There isn't anything wrong with your set.
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I have racked up about 120 or so hours on my set so far and me and my fiancée feel that the image seems better than when we first got the set. Not sure if that is really the case, but it appears that way. As far as IR, yes we have had some, but it went away after a bit. We watched a full NFL game on NFL Network and the bright white NFL Network logo was on the screen the entire time. We got some IR in the bottom left corner, perhaps about half of the logo. I did the screen wipe for a few minutes but it did not do anything. However, I could only see the IR depending on the color being displayed. For example, I have a Halo4 back round theme for my 360 and on the main screen it is grey in the bottom corners. In that color I could easily see the IR, but moving to different screens and such I could earthier not see it at all or barely. We watched a 2 hour letter box movie and checked it again and it was barely visible on the grey screen, but on other screens I could not see it at all.

That has been the extent of any IR issues we have had. It lasted maybe 3 hours or so, but only visible under certain circumstances, but my fiancée could not see it at all. Even when I pointed it out to her she was convinced it was just me being anal retentive...lol...which I am when it comes to investing close to 4k on a T.V., new stand and warranty. Plus I had NEVER owned a Plasma and that has been my fear since I am a gamer and all. I have not gamed a lot on the set, but the times I have, my games looks GORGEOUS! I tend to use THX Light Room with Game Mode On to game and it just looks fantastic. I did adjust Contrast from 100 to about 80 though as it makes the games look a lot better and not overly too bright. I usually also used Normal for color temp on my other set, but on the Plasma, Warm 1 for gaming looks a lot better.

Overall, still extremely happy with the set. Waiting to get to about 300-400 hours before going to a ISF calibrator. Since I got my set at Best Buy and am a silver member, anyone have their set calibrated by them? I have used ISF Calibrator in the past and results were amazing, so not sure how good these BB guys are at calibrating and as a silver member it is free.
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Originally Posted by sooke View Post

I have similar experience. My contrast is at 50, not for IR, but because it is too bright otherwise. I haven't noticed IR yet. Probably have between 150 and 200 hours on the set so far. Having said that, I channel surf a lot, so I don't tend to stay on a channel for more than an hour or so. But I have watched a few letter box movies lately and checked for IR afterwards. Could not detect any. I've also game on my xbox 360, but again, not for more than an hour. I don't limit the time for IR, just don't happen to have any games I'm obsessed with at the moment. Pixel orbiter seems to be on by default. I just left it that way.
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Originally Posted by iChristopher View Post

I believe its on auto.... on thx mode contrast set to 50. This ZT is set to be picked up and exchanged on monday so its not a big deal.... Im just curious as to why IR is happening so easily. On the f8500 I had I would watch everything on it and no IR... granted it never looked as good as the ZT does PQ wise.... So I'm on the fence... I have close to 300 hrs and its still super sensitive to IR, I don't want to worry about IR all the time!

I had my buddies over last night. Watched a soccer game that dragged into extra time. So the scoreboard was ON for close to 2 hours. Then we played FIFA for another 2 hours. I still don't see any IR. I have never left a channel ON for more than 2 hours though. BUT My GF watches those around the clock TV shows like "say yes to the dress" on Fridays. The good thing is that when commercials kick in they help to prevent IR. Again when I come home Friday nights, I inspect the TV and I see no channel logo IR.
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Originally Posted by sooke View Post

Hhmm. I'll have to give those settings a try as well. I use THX cinema now, but I tweaked it with the Disney WOW disk. Using their color test pattern and the little blue filter that comes with the disk, the color needed to be turned up to 53 (maybe it is +3) and the tint to 54 (maybe it is +4). That made skin tones on bluray spot on to my eye. Oddly, skin tones from my cable box can occasionally look ever so slightly greenish. Since blurays are spot on I'll blame the source. Lord only knows what the cable company is doing to the signal.

Anyways, my point was, if you tweak the THX cinema with the a calibration disk like Disney's WOW, maybe the colors would not look flat in that picture mode.

Edit: Oh, I also have the color temperature set to normal. Can't remember if that was the default for THX cinema.

Thanks, I will give it a go.
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Originally Posted by Lost! View Post

Don't set the contrast at 50, it will look unnatural. These modes are also too bright for me, mostly at night, so I copied the settings I like to Pro2, and turned CATS to ON. Now, everything looks perfectly dim for night viewing while preserving the colors.

Edit: My preferred settings are from the European link with Red Lume set to -5 instead of -10, and Green Hue set to 0 instead of -3. I also changed the 2points white balance on Green Gain from 0 to -3. It works wonder on my Comcast cable box. Keep in mind that my set has strong greenish hue. Also, sometimes I prefer this setting with gamma at 2.4.


in that link under color temp it says "warm", I assume it is warm 1?
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^Not that good (as is reflected by the price wink.gif).
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