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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

Hometheater.com's reviewed the ZT60

Let the Kuro fanatics start up again smile.gif
and I own one, but like my Panny more.
post #3002 of 11447
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

The BB calibration sounds like a learning experience but ultimately a waste of time.

Yes, it is. I wanted to see what the actual procedure is, and if I am able to do that myself by purchasing the necessary equipment. For sure even without ISF certification, I think I can do a better job than GS calibration with CalMan 5 and a profiled i1D3.
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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Geek+Squad%26%23174%3B+-+TV+Calibration/3552345.p?id=1218412703422&skuId=3552345

For $150 more, maybe less in Canada you can pay someone for a much better calibration - worth the extra money to have 2 modes calibrated vs. 1 and 3D. You seem to enjoy 3D so the later would/should make a big difference. If you are a silver rewards member in the US, then this service is free. I doubt that Lost would have ever considered paying for them to calibrate his display regardless of the number of hours.
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Originally Posted by Lost! View Post

Yes, it is. I wanted to see what the actual procedure is, and if I am able to do that myself by purchasing the necessary equipment. For sure even without ISF certification, I think I can do a better job than GS calibration with CalMan 5 and a profiled i1D3.

You can definitely do a better job Lost, just a bit of a learning curve but to me it was a very fun experience.
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Originally Posted by Lost! View Post

Hey Guys,

I was at 200 hours, and I just received a "free" GS BB calibration! I know it is not like a pro calibration, but I was curious and I went through it. Besides, I don't have 300 hours yet, so what's the loss.

The GS guy was nice, and he had ISF certification. He agreed that on ZT there is no need to go into service menu. He had the Sencore CP6000 ColorPro V Color Analyzer, Calman v4, and Sencore signal generator. He calibrated only one mode: "cinema." He chose "smpte" color space instead of "rec709" or "native," which I found odd, but I just wanted the experience so I went with the flow. He also put the Gamma at 2.0, but even after I explained that it needs to be 2.4 on ZT, he didn't listen and just argued that if it is the wrong setting the software will point it out!

The color looks good, and I have attached the charts. However because of Gamma, the picture is washed out. I think at the end he did forget to calibrate the 10-points Gamma! Anyways, I put D-Nice's ST60 settings' Gamma values, and it sure looks better.

If you have the time, and you can enforce them not to go to service menu, they are not that bad. For one, you will definitely more appreciate the pro-calibration you'll have soon.

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Thanks for posting this. Too bad this post cannot be a sticky for a few of our very uninformed members who think Best Buy is as good as any top calibrator. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

Let the Kuro fanatics start up again smile.gif
and I own one, but like my Panny more.

I think most folks would agree with his review and the ZT60 vs. 141 comparison. I'm just wondering, if he reviewed the ZT in a pro mode, why didn't he use one of the ISF modes on the Kuro as well? If I recall he knocks the Kuro for not having any "headroom" to get brighter, but I thought that both ISF modes can get brighter than what he claims.
Edited by hhaller - 9/5/13 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

I think most folks would agree with his review and the ZT60 vs. 141 comparison. I'm just wondering, if he reviewed the ZT in a pro mode, why didn't he use one of the ISF modes on the Kuro as well? If I recall he knocks the Kuro for not having any "headroom" to get brighter, but I'm pretty sure that both ISF modes can get brighter than what he claims.
Post a comment below the review and see if he answers.
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Was surprised the reviewer set sharpness to 50.
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Originally Posted by sooke View Post

Was surprised the reviewer set sharpness to 50.
I was thinking the same thing.
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GS “calibrator” set mine at 33. I guess it highly depends on the person's viewing perception. Being high does not help here wink.gif
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Jeff Meier will be calibrating my set tomorrow evening. First time calibration for me and he said it'll be his first ZT. (He doesn't work in the summer.) Any advice for me/him?
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I imagine that Jeff will lock the Pro modes when he finishes his calibration limiting your ability to make changes to your Day and Night mode - not that you can't get the password. To allow me to change a few things like contrast or brightness if I want to increase light output DNice copied his settings over to Custom which is unlocked. I have enjoyed being able to tweak his settings just for learning purposes. I am sure you'll be enjoying your ZT even more Saturday night.
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He said he'll be calibrating one mode only, unless I want him to do another. I'm not concerned with having a day option so I'm fine with just one. He'll be tweaking my audio too and I'm as excited about that as I am about the video calibration. Should make for a better all-around experience. I'll be auditioning it with some Sunday football. smile.gif
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He is not calibrating 3d ? I know his approach is different on day vs night mode compared to what other calibrators do but why not get an extra mode if he is offering ?
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Hey guys. Need some advice. My first ZT60 had a dent on the stand so I scheduled a return. Best Buy took care of the return with no problem. My replacement came today and I ran color slides and see some bad pixels in the upper left corner. I can see several bad pixels in different places while moving through the different colors. It looks like a total of 4-5 bad pixels. With normal content I probably would never have seen them. So my question is...should I return this set? I don't know if it indicates a problem and more pixels will go bad or is this something minor that I should just not complain about. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

He is not calibrating 3d ? I know his approach is different on day vs night mode compared to what other calibrators do but why not get an extra mode if he is offering ?
I don't watch much 3D but I might ask him to do that.
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If it were me I would get day/night and 3d calibrated. That is a pretty standard level of service for a professional calibrator. Let us know how it comes out smile.gif
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

If it were me I would get day/night and 3d calibrated. That is a pretty standard level of service for a professional calibrator. Let us know how it comes out smile.gif
Agreed. But it can depend on how much youre spending. All I got for my money was a Day setting.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Agreed. But it can depend on how much youre spending. All I got for my money was a Day setting.

So, calibrating one mode is cheaper?
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Originally Posted by Lost! View Post

So, calibrating one mode is cheaper?
You will have to ask the calibrator.
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Originally Posted by Lost! View Post

So, calibrating one mode is cheaper?

That depends on the calibrator some offer different levels of calibration, for example two point greyscale cal and one mode only. Not everyone offers this, IMO your set deserves a "full" professional calibration.
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

If it were me I would get day/night and 3d calibrated. That is a pretty standard level of service for a professional calibrator. Let us know how it comes out smile.gif

You might add a B&W calibration to that list.
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

That depends on the calibrator some offer different levels of calibration, for example two point greyscale cal and one mode only. Not everyone offers this, IMO your set deserves a "full" professional calibration.
+1
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

You might add a B&W calibration to that list.

Good point forgot that one probably because I never had or asked for one but I do see the value
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Originally Posted by Nelson123 View Post

Hey guys. Need some advice. My first ZT60 had a dent on the stand so I scheduled a return. Best Buy took care of the return with no problem. My replacement came today and I ran color slides and see some bad pixels in the upper left corner. I can see several bad pixels in different places while moving through the different colors. It looks like a total of 4-5 bad pixels. With normal content I probably would never have seen them. So my question is...should I return this set? I don't know if it indicates a problem and more pixels will go bad or is this something minor that I should just not complain about. Thanks.

I would be able to see that many bad pixels. In fact I can see 1 bad pixel if it is close to the edge as well. I suggest to replace it. It is too many bad pixels to live with.
post #3028 of 11447
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Originally Posted by Nelson123 View Post

Hey guys. Need some advice. My first ZT60 had a dent on the stand so I scheduled a return. Best Buy took care of the return with no problem. My replacement came today and I ran color slides and see some bad pixels in the upper left corner. I can see several bad pixels in different places while moving through the different colors. It looks like a total of 4-5 bad pixels. With normal content I probably would never have seen them. So my question is...should I return this set? I don't know if it indicates a problem and more pixels will go bad or is this something minor that I should just not complain about. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by rx74ray View Post

I would be able to see that many bad pixels. In fact I can see 1 bad pixel if it is close to the edge as well. I suggest to replace it. It is too many bad pixels to live with.

Have you been running the break-in slides? I only ask because plasmas will often have a few "bad" pixels that seem to correct themselves after a short period of use. I had a 65" VT60 that had about 5 "dead" subpixels originally but after 50 hours of break-in slides every single pixel was working perfectly. You might want to give the set a few days before dealing with the hassle of an exchange. Not saying your dead pixels WILL repair themselves, just that they might.
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AccuCal's website:
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ISF Video Calibration: Includes calibration of display light output, contrast ratio, color level, resolution, color management system, gamma, 3D mode optimization, correct all video sources present, ISFccc calibration of Day and Night and 3D modes if desired and limited audio/video equipment purchase advice before and after the service. This also includes a detailed report in pdf format of before and after measurements, source settings and display settings. (approx. 3 hours to complete) $350
I'm not sure why Jeff said he'd just be doing one mode. Personally I don't care about Day mode since I usually watch at night and light is under control. And it's not an optimized picture. (If it weren't a compromise you wouldn't need a Night mode.) And as I said before 3D receives limited use at my house so I'd be willing to just use THX 3D for that but if it doesn't take much more to calibrate it then why not? As far as B&W sources, how can you calibrate differently for that? I'd think the gray scale would be the same whether B&W or color source material. I watch a fair amount of B&W movies but I'm honestly not sure if I'd even remember I had a B&W mode.

Also from AccuCal:
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Additional User Memories For Personal Preference: Customer requested special calibration for personal use on top of that required for an accurate display for each input in use. (approx. 2 hours to complete) $100
I imagine this would include an extra B&W setting.
Edited by repete66211 - 9/6/13 at 12:43pm
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You may think you don't care but I highly recommend day and night - plus 3D. Until you have them you don't realize how they can all be of use. I also think its fair to say that 3D may benefit the most when having a pro calibration. I don't think they like doing it, but it makes a big difference. I am not a 3D fan, but I have to admit its pretty cool when done right with the display and source material. Plus you are paying for it - as for b/w, I don't see the benefit ($100) unless you are a fan of TMC.
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