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post #3091 of 11465
I too would like to see this long list of foibles. The only foible I'm aware of that's unique to the ZT/VT is the fan noise. A list of one is not a very long list.
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Rosche View Post

Just got my 65ZT a week or so ago. Ran it up just over 200 with the slides. The one thing that seems odd compared to my pioneer is the motion. It looks kinda like LEDs in spots with the soap opera effect and sometimes the motion looks jerky. I have set it to 96 hz and tried with motion smoother off and weak. In general it's hard to explain but the motion just doesn't look right and So far I find that it bothers me. Not sure why my pioneer would have delt with that better because reviews haven't mentioned a motion problem. Any of you guys experience the same?

Yes. I upgraded to the 60ZT60 from a 10 year old Samsung DLP (46"). Sometimes motion seems more blurry than what I have been used to over the last 10 years. However, in my case this may be due to the increase in size, which magnifies any problems in the source. Although, football looked great over the weekend.

As for SOE, I have my motion smoother on weak and don't notice any.
post #3093 of 11465
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Rosche View Post

Just got my 65ZT a week or so ago. Ran it up just over 200 with the slides. The one thing that seems odd compared to my pioneer is the motion. It looks kinda like LEDs in spots with the soap opera effect and sometimes the motion looks jerky. I have set it to 96 hz and tried with motion smoother off and weak. In general it's hard to explain but the motion just doesn't look right and So far I find that it bothers me. Not sure why my pioneer would have delt with that better because reviews haven't mentioned a motion problem. Any of you guys experience the same?
I assume you have all video processing turned off, right? Are you seeing this with all sources? I haven't noticed anything regarding motion. (Or maybe I am and it just doesn't register.) I had a color/resolution motion test pattern running last Saturday and it passed the test.
post #3094 of 11465
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Originally Posted by sooke View Post

Yes. I upgraded to the 60ZT60 from a 10 year old Samsung DLP (46"). Sometimes motion seems more blurry than what I have been used to over the last 10 years. However, in my case this may be due to the increase in size, which magnifies any problems in the source. Although, football looked great over the weekend.

As for SOE, I have my motion smoother on weak and don't notice any.
Pretty rare to get motion issue with a plasma TV. You are probably right that it is your source material.
post #3095 of 11465
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Pretty rare to get motion issue with a plasma TV. You are probably right that it is your source material.

I am wondering maybe it is the lack of motion blur that is the problem here. Maybe we are actually used to see them in LCD, that is hard to not see them in Plasma.

The problem with setting the set at "Weak" or "Medium" motion enhancer is that the set's CPU does not always do a good job. Sometimes it fells behind, and catches up too quickly. It is a very annoying thing, so I rather turn it off, instead of weak.
post #3096 of 11465
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Originally Posted by iChristopher View Post

It's under screen settings. You can't access it in THX mode.
Got it. Thx so If I set it to On and go back to THX Cinema, it's remains on correct?
post #3097 of 11465
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

That's not right, missing the NFL's opening weekend with a new TV.
Would you say it's safe to break it in for couple of hundred hours in THX Cinema mode watching 16:9 movies?
post #3098 of 11465
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Originally Posted by Bardia View Post

Would you say it's safe to break it in for couple of hundred hours in THX Cinema mode watching 16:9 movies?
Yes
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Originally Posted by Bardia View Post

Got it. Thx so If I set it to On and go back to THX Cinema, it's remains on correct?
I think it would stay on whatever the default THX setting is. To be clear, pixel orbiter does very little in the way of IR prevention. It just rotates the entire image a couple of pixels over time, meaning that if you have a static logo the IR will be the same as if you didn't have the pixel orbiter on, but the image will just be a little fuzzy.
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Would you say it's safe to break it in for couple of hundred hours in THX Cinema mode watching 16:9 movies?
Ideally you want full screen with no fixed images, though you can mix it up with letterbox, pillarbox or fixed logo content from time to time. Some people also run slides to accelerate the aging or "clean" it after mixed use, but it's not necessary to do so. It really doesn't matter what picture mode you're in but the THX Cinema is the most accurate mode right out of the box.
post #3100 of 11465
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Id like to see this long list and how its grown recently. Seems like the same few issues since the start of this thread. All of them minor. IR is just the one that has been beaten into the ground lately. If you kept up with this thread you would realize that.
I say you have little experience here. Nothing unusual at all going on at this thread. People only post complaints and then all of a sudden everyone notices the same issue. The ones that dont notice it become concerned about it. Then its posted about feverishly for a while and eventually forgotten.
You will find the same thing in any Samsung, LG, Sony, etc thread.
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

I too would like to see this long list of foibles. The only foible I'm aware of that's unique to the ZT/VT is the fan noise. A list of one is not a very long list.
Pay no mind to the Kuro holdovers. Nothing will ever compare to what they have, even with its own list of foibles. Anybody who insinuates otherwise is in Panasonic's pocket or blind.
Edited by vinnie97 - 9/10/13 at 9:56am
post #3101 of 11465
Turned motion smoother off and now everything looks much more like my Kuro. I don't understand why Cnet recommended weak motion smoother. They always had it set to off in other years.
post #3102 of 11465
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post


Pay no mind to the Kuro holdovers. Nothing will ever compare to what they have, even with its own list of foibles. Anybody who insinuates otherwise is in Panasonic's pocket or blind.
I see. Now it makes sense.
post #3103 of 11465
I hate to poke that beehive but when it's spilling over into this thread, I just can't resist. OLED is their great white hope.
post #3104 of 11465
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I hate to poke that beehive but when it's spilling over into this thread, I just can't resist. OLED is their great white hope.

Sorry to correct you Vinnie, "Their great BLACK hope." biggrin.gif
post #3105 of 11465
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Originally Posted by Lost! View Post

I am wondering maybe it is the lack of motion blur that is the problem here. Maybe we are actually used to see them in LCD, that is hard to not see them in Plasma.

The problem with setting the set at "Weak" or "Medium" motion enhancer is that the set's CPU does not always do a good job. Sometimes it fells behind, and catches up too quickly. It is a very annoying thing, so I rather turn it off, instead of weak.

Thanks Lost! I'll try it off. Was going by cnet setting for it.
post #3106 of 11465
ok 8776 checking in, 6 days with the best plasama ever made and im loveing it!!!! football all weekend and no IR LOL AND IM ONLY LIKE 40 HOURS INTO MY EXPERINCE!!!!!!! HARY POTTER BLUE RAYS JUST ARRIVED.

8776 out
:-)
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8776 again: how do i take a picture and send it here?

8776 out
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8776 again: how do i take a picture and send it here?

8776 out
When you reply there are tools you can use to post images, video, attachments, etc.
Edited by repete66211 - 9/10/13 at 12:57pm
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8776 again: how do i take a picture and send it here?

8776 out
When you reply there are tools you can use to post images, video, attachments, etc.

since they 'upgraded' the forum many of those tools are no longer working correctly on previous versions of IE. I've posted about it, but I don't think they've managed to solve the problems.
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Does IR mean Image resolution? ....Ive had the ZT60 Plasma for a month now I bought at BestBuy. The picture is phenomenal yet the humming of the two fans near the top of the TV in back are too much. Sounds like a old refrigerator or computer in that you can clearly hear from 15-20 feet away even at low volumes up to 10 (1-100 on TV) through the TV fans. I have 2 MartinLogan 40s floor speakers and a Martin Logan30 center channel trying to decide what to get for one subwoofer that is compatible but the TV is not plugged into Pioneer Elite VSX 70 yet so Im not running sound through the Martin Logan speakers yet. That would not have any impact on the fan noise though.

Anyway after long drawn out communication about sound between Best Buy Magnolia reps at the store (huh never heard that problem before), discussing the problem with 1-800 BESTBUY Tech support who said I should just get a different LED TV if I didn't like the sound (he also told me Panasonic made two versions of ZT which is the first I ever heard of that), and talking to two script reading Panasonic tech support robots on the phone (I was assigned a case number) in which I was told a Panasonic rep would call me to set an appointment to come to my house..(a week went by with no callI still waiting) the Manager of my local Best Buy store interceded and spoke with the Best Buy store Panasonic rep who passed along that I should Call Panasonic AGAIN and request a service patch for the problem. ....Panasonic knows this problem exits and has a foam patch kit that fits underneath the bottom edge of the fan on both sides to reduce the noise.

So when I called this past Friday I was told a case had been opened for repair visit back on August 29 (that is not what the 2nd Panasonic rep and last contact with Panasonic told me) and that they gave me a date (Sept 12) and time for a Houston area Panasonic authorized repair rep to come to my House. They gave me the phone number and address for the authorized Panasonic repair shop this past Friday. So I called him to see who it was and am trying to be optimistic (he comes in two day on Thursday Sept 12) but he said he has never heard of that problem before.

I am not one of those audiophiles who has to have perfect sound nor do I have tinitis ringing in my ears. Ive heard other ZTs and they DO NOT have this same sound from the fans. The TV is on the cooler east wall of my home not the wall facing the brutal Houston hot summer afternoon sun. The Best Buy rep said maybe it has something to do with acoustics of my specific place without really asking what that was. (15X18 room, 9' ceilings and wood laminate floors).

And now last night (Sept 9) when I asked B B rep about logistic of returning TV and getting another ZT60 the Best Buy rep NOW Says that I am no longer an ELITE member of their reward program which extends the time to return a TV to 60 days. I paid for the TV on August 9th and delivery was August 16 the day after a credenza was delivered to my house to set the tv and the components in. I ordered the speakers from Crutchfleld as Best Buy's August MartinLogan Special (Buy tow MartinLogan 40s and get a Free Center Channel) did not allow me to the option to pay the difference and upgrade and pay $ 300 extra free Martin Logan center to a Martin Logan 30 in the Cherry Finish (extra $ 50 per speaker). Those speakers and Audioquest speaker wire came here via UPS on Sept 1st or 2nd). BTW the cherry finish is beautiful.

So in the meanwhile I was weighing the option of cutting holes in the Wall to mount the TV in the wall to hide a HDMI and power cables and to tilt the TV down to cut out glare from light behind couch or buy the remaining pieces on a large 10' Home Entertainment Center that I had purchased only the center console to., Since Best Buy is only a mile from my house I had been there almost daily explaining the sound problem, exchanging and shortening Audioquest HDMI cords that BEST BUY's Geek Squad had recommended in the visit to my home in which I wanted to see if I could even have complete surround sound in my home without making it a sheetrock mess by cutting holes in the walls and ceiling. Unfortunately the joists in the downstairs ceiling go the wrong way making laying straight unobstructed speaker wires for rear and side surround sound through the ceiling too costly and messy so for now I will just stick with the two floor ML40s , one ML30 center and get a sub in the next few weeks compatible with my system

The night I decided to go into Best Buy to pay for and set up a TV Wall Mounting service since the Gallery Furniture was not willing to give me a good Labor Day Sale deal on the remaining Piers and Bridge on the complete 10" wide entertainment center. While in the BB store I made one final call to Gallery who agreed to my offer for the remaining price with next day delivery Awesome. and it does look beautiful and is very functional to store DVD and CDs and lot of electronic equipment.

When I went to the store last night to ask about the logistics of returning the ZT60 and getting another one I was told that I am not an BB Reward Zone Elite member even though I have purchases thousand o dollars of equipment over the past 5 years including a $1800 Samsung LED I bought 3 years ago for my daughter while in college . BB Reward program is so screwed up they had me under two different accounts and now they say that only the purchase of the Panasonic TV for $ 3499 qualified me for the Silver Elite member stats so any extended return policy would only be in effect for items purchased AFTER the TV on Aug 9 delivered around the 13th. That would include the Pioneer Elite receiver and HDMI cables and other purchases. I have been assured repeatedly in the 8-10 trips Ive made to Best Buy since buying the that I didn't need to worry about return policy on the TV their system showed me as Elite member and I had 60 days past purchase to return the TV, exchange it for a Samsung LED (or something else) or get a different ZT60. Last night one the newly promoted Modia Sales Rep (I have dealt with him and 2 different Modia guys) told me that I would not be able to exchange the Panasonic ZT60 for a different ZT60 because I am out of the 15 day return period. Gah! I have a friend who has the same Panasonic ZT I have (purchased 2 months ago) and it does NOT have the same high pitched humming coming form the two fans in the back like the one I have.

So now I will be patient (not really) and see what the Panasonic authorized repairman says Thursday (Sept 12) when he comes to my house. I fully expect the TV fans to suddenly go quiet.. LOL. Anyway I believe that now other than for me to pitch a fit with Best BUY that is the only way I will be able to get a different Panasonic ZT60 TV in my home if he determines the humming sound from the fans is not normal and doe not have or know about patch kit Ive read about on this site that exists that Panasonic is fully aware about as well. A Panafax M4300 surge protector is scheduled to be delivered by UPS tomorrow (Wed)
Edited by togatx - 9/10/13 at 2:39pm
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IR=Image Retention
post #3112 of 11465
Silver status is only for a 12 month period but BB should still give it to you for this purchase. Panasonic's response to the fan noise is mixed. They've had a fix for it for over a month but some phone reps still don't know about it. Par for the course. You can drill holes through joists.
post #3113 of 11465
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

I think it would stay on whatever the default THX setting is. To be clear, pixel orbiter does very little in the way of IR prevention. It just rotates the entire image a couple of pixels over time, meaning that if you have a static logo the IR will be the same as if you didn't have the pixel orbiter on, but the image will just be a little fuzzy.
Ideally you want full screen with no fixed images, though you can mix it up with letterbox, pillarbox or fixed logo content from time to time. Some people also run slides to accelerate the aging or "clean" it after mixed use, but it's not necessary to do so. It really doesn't matter what picture mode you're in but the THX Cinema is the most accurate mode right out of the box.

I don't mind holding off on the letterbox for a ferw hunderd hours. After all, that's why I have the 120" 2:35:1 screen:cool:
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Hi everyone. New 65zt60 owner here! Loving the new set although I am babying it for the first 300 hours. Primarily watching HBO and full screen movies. My first question is should I turn overscan on while watching HBO and certain full screen movies that have the very small black bars along the top and bottom of the screen? I just noticed this the other day and am surprised I haven't seen it brought up in this thread before.
post #3115 of 11465
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Originally Posted by weds31 View Post

Hi everyone. New 65zt60 owner here! Loving the new set although I am babying it for the first 300 hours. Primarily watching HBO and full screen movies. My first question is should I turn overscan on while watching HBO and certain full screen movies that have the very small black bars along the top and bottom of the screen? I just noticed this the other day and am surprised I haven't seen it brought up in this thread before.
Yes, set to Full or Just to make sure you don't have any borders at all. Very crucial

You can then go to Screen Setting and set the normal aspect by changing the Size to 1 or 2
post #3116 of 11465
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Originally Posted by Bardia View Post

Yes, set to Full or Just to make sure you don't have any borders at all. Very crucial

You can then go to Screen Setting and set the normal aspect by changing the Size to 1 or 2

I've had it in THX Cinema this whole time which puts it in FULL I believe. Just wanted to know about overscan since setting it to "on" seems to take away the black borders at the top and bottom of the screen. Changing it to "size 2" looks like it just stretches the picture wider without any effect on the outside borders. Am I right here?
post #3117 of 11465
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Originally Posted by weds31 View Post

I've had it in THX Cinema this whole time which puts it in FULL I believe. Just wanted to know about overscan since setting it to "on" seems to take away the black borders at the top and bottom of the screen. Changing it to "size 2" looks like it just stretches the picture wider without any effect on the outside borders. Am I right here?
Overscan just zooms in to show I think 97% of the screen. It's a holdout from the CRT days. I'm pretty sure you can change the zoom while on THX Cinema, though Full is the mode you want anyway. Same with Size 1.
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

Overscan just zooms in to show I think 97% of the screen. It's a holdout from the CRT days. I'm pretty sure you can change the zoom while on THX Cinema, though Full is the mode you want anyway. Same with Size 1.

If you look at the top of the picture when watching HBO and certain full screen movies there is still a very small "letterbox type" bar on the top of the screen. When I turn overscan on the picture stretches a bit and that black bar disappears. That's why I was a bit concerned.
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I had mine fixed yesterday took about a month to get them here, and three calls to Panasonic. The noise is not completely gone now, however it has been greatly reduced to a non issue level for me, hope you have the same or better results!
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Originally Posted by weds31 View Post

If you look at the top of the picture when watching HBO and certain full screen movies there is still a very small "letterbox type" bar on the top of the screen. When I turn overscan on the picture stretches a bit and that black bar disappears. That's why I was a bit concerned.

I've noticed the same black bars with some movies. I expect it is movies with a 1.85 aspect ratio, which is real close to the 1:78 aspect ratio of the TV, but not quite. So you get black bars about a quarter of an inch high. I bet most folks never notice them.
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