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Oh yes this ZT really impress and in here i have 2 other plasma and now hard for watch them after 3 months with the ZT, the other screen look fade and dark scene on other plasma look washed out. The ZT really impress in dark scene without loosing any way of the picture. 3D also superb too and picture so deep i feel have no end. I really luv it, and i dont think the ZT vs oled will have big difference in black level. smile.gif

I'm really enjoying my ZT as well. I think it's the best TV available today and at least as good as past Kuros if not marginally better. However, as great as this set is and believe me, I love this thing for what it is, the OLED models available today seem to be able to go completely black meaning they theoretically have infinite contrast. Once prices come down to realistic levels in 2-4 years and they start producing 65" + size models it'll be very interesting to see if OLED legitimately takes over as the videophile's (hell, everyone's) choice for best PQ. I'm interested to find out if the OLEDs available now hold up over time and if the technology becomes fully baked in that time too. We'll all have to wait an see but for now my ZT more than satifsfies.
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I'm really enjoying my ZT as well. I think it's the best TV available today and at least as good as past Kuros if not marginally better. However, as great as this set is and believe me, I love this thing for what it is, the OLED models available today seem to be able to go completely black meaning they theoretically have infinite contrast. Once prices come down to realistic levels in 2-4 years and they start producing 65" + size models it'll be very interesting to see if OLED legitimately takes over as the videophile's (hell, everyone's) choice for best PQ. I'm interested to find out if the OLEDs available now hold up over time and if the technology becomes fully baked in that time too. We'll all have to wait an see but for now my ZT more than satifsfies.

I agree on all points. After going from THX modes to Sammie2980's settings this thing looks awesome. (ChadB is coming to calibrate next Sat so I am trying to get it up to 250 hours plus by then...right now at about 150) Looks very similar to my Elite board upgraded ChadB calibrated 6020 Kuro, but the Panny blacks are much more neutral colored than the reddish tinted ones on the Kuro. I think we own the pinnacle of sets for the near term future. OLED has a lot of promise but who knows what issues will crop up. Wonder how they will age and how good screen uniformity will be. Remember when we heard SXRD was going to be the holy grail of displays? We all know how that worked out..lol. I still wonder why THX modes are so mediocre on my set though...faces and light colored walls etc have greenish shadows and reddish highlights. Sammie's settings cure all that. I am glad I bought this set as I fear Panny is about to bail on plasma.
Edited by AlanBuck - 10/5/13 at 7:28am
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I'm really enjoying my ZT as well. I think it's the best TV available today and at least as good as past Kuros if not marginally better. However, as great as this set is and believe me, I love this thing for what it is, the OLED models available today seem to be able to go completely black meaning they theoretically have infinite contrast. Once prices come down to realistic levels in 2-4 years and they start producing 65" + size models it'll be very interesting to see if OLED legitimately takes over as the videophile's (hell, everyone's) choice for best PQ. I'm interested to find out if the OLEDs available now hold up over time and if the technology becomes fully baked in that time too. We'll all have to wait an see but for now my ZT more than satifsfies.
It will be interesting to see how an OLED performs against a plasma now. There are OLED's out there, but not many. They certainly have not hit the market hard, more like a soft launch.
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It will be interesting to see how an OLED performs against a plasma now. There are OLED's out there, but not many. They certainly have not hit the market hard, more like a soft launch.

High cost and a shorter half life will keep OLED's from making any inroads into the mass market. There is still a lot of r and d to be invested in this new technology before it can become a feasible commodity.


Ian
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There is so much heat & energy--especially infrared--in TV panels. I just don't see how an organic based display will be stable in the long term. It's just too early to say OLED is going to replace plasma, but if it doesn't we're stuck with LED.
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Now in future shop in canada or BB for you have 2 oled 55 inch for 10 000 (each). The bad its that tech not have a long life, its around 25 000 hours. And the bleue color drop before the others so the balance of colors drop too with time so thats really not good. I know the contrast is incredible but the price vs the product life its a big problem. See the link below for the new oled;;;

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/category/oled-tvs/32080.aspx?path=ec1168cde85af90d334ee7da5839a3b1en01&lang=fr-CA&pcname=&category=32080

Not long life.. Well 25000 hrs = 6 hrs / day for 11 years? Give or take, most people don't own tv's that long, most own them for 4-5 years.
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I'm hoping that in a few years time the issues with OLED listed above can be ironed out. If so, the tech will be a true successor to plasma. Until that time comes however, I'll be enjoying my ZT and it's beautiful PQ.
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100 000 hours is not the life of the television; it is the time it takes to go half-bright, or for its brightness level to be reduced by half. I imagine you will probably be able to detect a measure of degradation at the 50,000 hour mark; which is why they recommend a bi-annual calibration cycle.

Still; 4 to 6 hours a day divided by 50,000 hours will give you somewhere between 23 to 34 years before your device reaches half-bright - double that for the ZT, or half that for OLED.

Leaves me with 99,650 viewing hours (68 years) to plan my next purchase
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Hehehe you courageaous! Me i use my ZT between 12 to 18 hour each day ! I open it when i wake up and close it when i go sleep, lol.

If i go out i pass the slide bar for erase the logo game i played !

You must be retired or on disability to be watching that much television. Not that there is anything wrong with that but most people could care less if a tv has a life cycle of 100,000 hrs. Again most people own tv's for 4-5 years max. Specially members here, some go as far as replacing their sets every two years. I wouldn't worry much though, you have the best high end plasma.
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You must be retired or on disability to be watching that much television. Not that there is anything wrong with that but most people could care less if a tv has a life cycle of 100,000 hrs. Again most people own tv's for 4-5 years max. Specially members here, some go as far as replacing their sets every two years. I wouldn't worry much though, you have the best high end plasma.

I think he is actually Canadian smile.gif
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Anybody watch AMCs Hell on Wheels? That show looks stunning:) on our ZT60. smile.gif
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... i just decide to stop sell my life anymore for get more money smile.gif

I've never heard it (work) described like that before. Interesting way to think about it. Can't wait to retire myself. Got a ways to go though... I've found that in life I either have time or I have money, never both simultaneously.

Anyhow, back on topic, I've owned this ZT for 2 and a half months now and I'm still wowed by the picture. We had family-movie-night Friday and watched Avatar on blu-ray. It looked stunning. In the middle of the movie my 12 year old daughter said " I love this TV". Another family oriented activity we've been doing lately is my 3 kids and I have been playing Diablo III on the xbox 360. It is a game all four of us can play at the same time (co-op). A lot of fun and it looks great. This leave my wife out, but she doesn't seem to mind.

My Dad is coming over today and will see the TV for the first time. We'll watch some football and golf. He's retired and watches a lot of TV, so he's looking forward to seeing it. He has a Sony SXRD at home that's about 6 or 7 years old. I was at his house 2 weeks ago and realized how washed out the picture was compared to what I am now used to with the ZT. Didn't say anything ofcourse.

Another indication how spoiled I am by the ZT, my wife and I saw Gravity at the local cinema last night. All I kept thinking about through the movie was how much better it would look on my ZT from a blu-ray. Yeah, it will be a lot smaller on the TV, but the blacks will be so much better. There are a lot of high contrast scenes in space (pretty much the whole movie) that will look beautiful on the ZT. I never noticed before how bad the blacks are in a cinema. It was shocking to realize movies will now look better at home.
Edited by sooke - 10/6/13 at 6:43am
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Originally Posted by mvision7m View Post

I'm hoping that in a few years time the issues with OLED listed above can be ironed out. If so, the tech will be a true successor to plasma. Until that time comes however, I'll be enjoying my ZT and it's beautiful PQ.
Amen to that smile.gif It will probably be 3-5 years before they are cost effective. Hopefully they get rid of that curve as well, I know I will always be wall mounting from here on out.
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I've never heard it (work) described like that before. Interesting way to think about it. Can't wait to retire myself. Got a ways to go though... I've found that in life I either have time or I have money, never both simultaneously.

Anyhow, back on topic, I've owned this ZT for 2 and a half months now and I'm still wowed by the picture. We had family-movie-night Friday and watched Avatar on blu-ray. It looked stunning. In the middle of the movie my 12 year old daughter said " I love this TV". Another family oriented activity we've been doing lately is my 3 kids and I have been playing Diablo III on the xbox 360. It is a game all four of us can play at the same time (co-op). A lot of fun and it looks great. This leave my wife out, but she doesn't seem to mind.

My Dad is coming over today and will see the TV for the first time. We'll watch some football and golf. He's retired and watches a lot of TV, so he's looking forward to seeing it. He has a Sony SXRD at home that's about 6 or 7 years old. I was at his house 2 weeks ago and realized how washed out the picture was compared to what I am now used to with the ZT. Didn't say anything ofcourse.

Another indication how spoiled I am by the ZT, my wife and I saw Gravity at the local cinema last night. All I kept thinking about through the movie was how much better it would look on my ZT from a blu-ray. Yeah, it will be a lot smaller on the TV, but the blacks will be so much better. There are a lot of high contrast scenes in space (pretty much the whole movie) that will look beautiful on the ZT. I never noticed before how bad the blacks are in a cinema. It was shocking to realize movies will now look better at home.

I cam relate to a lot of this. Only had my ZT for 2 days. Watched some college ball yesterday.

Family movie night last night was the Lego Batman movie. We couldn't believe the detail visible. You could see scratches on the plastic the characters are made of that the animator a added for realism.

Later that night we watched Saturday Might Live on our old Sony SXRD. I couldn't believe how poor the picture was. Washed out. Not very sharp. Colors not vivid. Etc.

Cheers
Steven
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Thanks for the comments on the Sony SXRD. I have been using that display for the last 6 years or so. It has served me well. ZT60 being delivered tomorrow. Can't wait to see the improvement.
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Not long life.. Well 25000 hrs = 6 hrs / day for 11 years? Give or take, most people don't own tv's that long, most own them for 4-5 years.


Most people aren't going to shell out over 10 grand for a TV.



Ian
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Truthfully, most people arent going to shell out 2 grand for a tv.
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Most people aren't going to shell out over 10 grand for a TV.



Ian

I agree but anyone that does blow $10k on a TV, will not care about having 25000 hrs and will replace that tv in only a few years. Technology improves so fast these days that they will always want the newest and greatest.
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