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post #3721 of 11455
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Originally Posted by Paul_A/V View Post

I am looking forward to your comparison of the ZT to the XBR960 as I have this Sony and am contemplating getting the ZT.


Regards,
Paul

I too still have an XBR960. I don't have the ZT60, but have a 65VT60. Both of which are not professionally calibrated but are using recommended settings.

The screen size upgrade of course is going to be big. Taking that away there are still some things I like better on the XBR960. One thing I think it is better for is watching live sports. For whatever reason I find the picture to be more fluid and natural on the XBR960.

Of course there are things you won't have to deal with anymore like geometry issues, and excessive over scan. My XBR960 has also developed slight discoloration on the upper right of the screen that I can't quite remedy with the landing settings.
post #3722 of 11455
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Originally Posted by guvadc View Post

Has your IR cleared up yet ?
I can still see an outline of something that resembles that Fox scoreboard on white slides...not so much on other colors or regular content. I have probably run the wiper and more recently switched to sides in vivid it for over 50 hours.
post #3723 of 11455
That sucks vinnie. Sorry to hear it.
post #3724 of 11455
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Originally Posted by oreb View Post

Yes, this! I asked about this a few pages back when I first tried watching Netflix on my ZT. I still don't understand why the settings don't change. It seems I have to power the TV down and then power it back up, then the Netflix settings take. But they just flicker the screen like you said and then don't take if you do it while watching Netflix content. It hasn't changed with any firmware updates and calibrating this way is a pain. Anyone chime in on this? Why is this happening?

BTW I have the July build got it beginning of Aug and it's fantastic. No complaints about anything.

I have the ZT covered till 2018 under Square Trade warranty bought through Costco. 100 bucks is a great deal.

Edit: I should also add -- when internet is connected to a device and I'm watching Netflix through that, the settings do take. I just change settings for the HDMI input I'm using. It's when I have the ethernet cable connected directly to the ZT and I try to adjust settings in "INTERNET" calibration menu while Netflix is on that the settings don't take.
This was posted by absurd_username in the vt thread and may help those having a issue with Netflix picture settings. Hope it works for you.biggrin.gif


OK...I just got off of chat with Netflix and I may have a workaround.

Make the picture settings you want...or port over your settings from HDMI or whatever other settings you want to use.
So far none of the settings will have any effect.
Go to this Netflix link and use their 'Konami code' to access a menu to sign out your Netflix account from your TV: https://support.netflix.com/en/node/8550
Once you've signed out the account, launch the Netflix App again and sign back in.
Netflix now should be running on your last set of Picture settings.

Because the picture settings were still at factory default when I (and others I suspect) first logged into Netflix, that was the picture I (we) was (were) getting....CATS on, Picture Smoothing On...etc.

I tried this and since I had Picture smoothing disabled, I no longer have Soap Opera Effect happening in my image. It's too late for me right now to experiment with it further. I'll try again with more settings tomorrow after I get off work.

Someone else want to give this a go?

We'll have to let Panasonic know about this...the Netflix rep said that they give out the Netflix software to companies (Panasonic) and they adjust it to whatever devices they will use it on.
Edited by absurd_username - 10/26/13 at 1:39am
post #3725 of 11455
I hope it clears up for you vinnie.
post #3726 of 11455
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I can still see an outline of something that resembles that Fox scoreboard on white slides...not so much on other colors or regular content. I have probably run the wiper and more recently switched to sides in vivid it for over 50 hours.

That's too bad.

I have a line from the top of the Fox ticker that is on the bottom of the screen from watching football on Sunday still stuck on mine ( VT60). I have been trying to get rid of it between the pixel flipper, scrolling bar , and slides. I now mainly see it when viewing the off white slide, all white doesn't really show it.

I wish I could relax and not worry about it, but this TV doesn't get used a whole heck of a lot and watching Football on Sunday is one of them. I feel as though I have to try and get rid of it completely before next Sunday's game or it will just accumulate and get worse.
post #3727 of 11455
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Originally Posted by guvadc View Post

That's too bad.

I have a line from the top of the Fox ticker that is on the bottom of the screen from watching football on Sunday still stuck on mine ( VT60). I have been trying to get rid of it between the pixel flipper, scrolling bar , and slides. I now mainly see it when viewing the off white slide, all white doesn't really show it.

I wish I could relax and not worry about it, but this TV doesn't get used a whole heck of a lot and watching Football on Sunday is one of them. I feel as though I have to try and get rid of it completely before next Sunday's game or it will just accumulate and get worse.

I could never understand how or why Panasonic couldn't eliminate IR/burn-in after all of these years. My roommate has burn-in on his ST50 from leaving SportsCenter on all day. (Even with the pixel orbiter on)
post #3728 of 11455
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

I could never understand how or why Panasonic couldn't eliminate IR/burn-in after all of these years. My roommate has burn-in on his ST50 from leaving SportsCenter on all day. (Even with the pixel orbiter on)
I have the F1 logo burned into the botton left corner of my ST50 from watching the Formula One races. And, mind you, that is with taking every precaution. Ridiculous.
post #3729 of 11455
The pixel orbiter is not intended to eradicate IR. It's purpose is to prevent IR by shifting the image ~2 pixels up, down, side to side. Because most images that cause IR are more than 2 pixels wide this doesn't prevent IR at all. So rather than having a sharp image retained (or burned), the fixed image will just be fuzzy.
post #3730 of 11455
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I have the F1 logo burned into the botton left corner of my ST50 from watching the Formula One races. And, mind you, that is with taking every precaution. Ridiculous.

Can you see this in viewing regular content?
post #3731 of 11455
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Originally Posted by guvadc View Post

Can you see this in viewing regular content?
Not yet. Maybe by the end of the racing season. I suppose I could accomodate Panasonic and quit watching racing.
Or I could put an extra 1000 hrs a month on my tv running the WOW disc every moment that Im not watching something.
Edited by Bond 007 - 11/5/13 at 12:11pm
post #3732 of 11455
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Originally Posted by discone View Post

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Originally Posted by oreb View Post

Yes, this! I asked about this a few pages back when I first tried watching Netflix on my ZT. I still don't understand why the settings don't change. It seems I have to power the TV down and then power it back up, then the Netflix settings take. But they just flicker the screen like you said and then don't take if you do it while watching Netflix content. It hasn't changed with any firmware updates and calibrating this way is a pain. Anyone chime in on this? Why is this happening?

BTW I have the July build got it beginning of Aug and it's fantastic. No complaints about anything.

I have the ZT covered till 2018 under Square Trade warranty bought through Costco. 100 bucks is a great deal.

Edit: I should also add -- when internet is connected to a device and I'm watching Netflix through that, the settings do take. I just change settings for the HDMI input I'm using. It's when I have the ethernet cable connected directly to the ZT and I try to adjust settings in "INTERNET" calibration menu while Netflix is on that the settings don't take.
This was posted by absurd_username in the vt thread and may help those having a issue with Netflix picture settings. Hope it works for you.biggrin.gif


OK...I just got off of chat with Netflix and I may have a workaround.

Make the picture settings you want...or port over your settings from HDMI or whatever other settings you want to use.
So far none of the settings will have any effect.
Go to this Netflix link and use their 'Konami code' to access a menu to sign out your Netflix account from your TV: https://support.netflix.com/en/node/8550
Once you've signed out the account, launch the Netflix App again and sign back in.
Netflix now should be running on your last set of Picture settings.

Because the picture settings were still at factory default when I (and others I suspect) first logged into Netflix, that was the picture I (we) was (were) getting....CATS on, Picture Smoothing On...etc.

I tried this and since I had Picture smoothing disabled, I no longer have Soap Opera Effect happening in my image. It's too late for me right now to experiment with it further. I'll try again with more settings tomorrow after I get off work.

Someone else want to give this a go?

We'll have to let Panasonic know about this...the Netflix rep said that they give out the Netflix software to companies (Panasonic) and they adjust it to whatever devices they will use it on.
Edited by absurd_username - 10/26/13 at 1:39am

I never had to go through this malarky with the VT50. Is everyone with a VT/ZT experiencing this? Does it allow you to make changes on the fly? What's a koname code?
Edited by TWD - 11/5/13 at 12:19pm
post #3733 of 11455
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

The pixel orbiter is not intended to eradicate IR. It's purpose is to prevent IR by shifting the image ~2 pixels up, down, side to side. Because most images that cause IR are more than 2 pixels wide this doesn't prevent IR at all. So rather than having a sharp image retained (or burned), the fixed image will just be fuzzy.

But you're able to see sharp edges clearer than fuzzy ones so blurring the edges of the logo will make a difference.

I have only had my VT a short time and have been very careful not to leave any logos, etc. on it for very long (I just switch the picture mode to move them around). I haven't seen any IR. I think you really only run into long-term problems if you watch the same channel with the same logo constantly. YMMV.
post #3734 of 11455
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

I never had to go through this malarky with the VT50. Is everyone with a VT/ZT experiencing this? Does it allow you to make changes on the fly? What's a koname code?
I don't think I understand what's trying to be accomplished. Are people trying to adjust the picture settings (i.e. brightness) for Netflix content and the TV keeps reverting back to original settings? Are you trying to save picture settings specifically for content viewed on the on-board Netflix app?

I view all streaming content through my PS3. I haven't used Netflix or any of the other apps on the TV (yet), mainly because I can't get ARC to send audio to my AVR. I've considered using the YouTube app but I'm afraid that my 12 year old step-daughter will find out and take over the TV like she did the iPad.
post #3735 of 11455
I want to first say that I absolutely love the picture my TV produces , but I really wish these things didn't have the tendency to get this long duration IR. I don't game a whole lot anymore, but plan on getting the PS4 in a few weeks and want to be able to enjoy some games without having to worry that a HUD will be stuck on the screen for a few months after playing.
post #3736 of 11455
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

Are people trying to adjust the picture settings (i.e. brightness) for Netflix content and the TV keeps reverting back to original settings?

Correct. While watching Netflix directly through the TV and trying to change any settings like CMS gamma sharpness etc., the picture settings won't actually change. They change in the Menu but the picture won't change until you reboot the TV itself. Then you can see the adjustments you made. If there is a way to see the settings w/o having to reboot the TV I would like to know.

Try hooking your internet directly to the TV and watch some Netflix or any other internet content and see if you can adjust the settings.
Edited by oreb - 11/5/13 at 1:24pm
post #3737 of 11455
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Originally Posted by guvadc View Post

I want to first say that I absolutely love the picture my TV produces , but I really wish these things didn't have the tendency to get this long duration IR. I don't game a whole lot anymore, but plan on getting the PS4 in a few weeks and want to be able to enjoy some games without having to worry that a HUD will be stuck on the screen for a few months after playing.
My g/f and I play PS3 games a bit, split screen usually. The only IR I've seen at all on the ZT was part of a HUD from Borderlands 2. I say part because, strangely, only half the HUD was retained.
post #3738 of 11455
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Originally Posted by oreb View Post

Correct. While watching Netflix directly through the TV and trying to change any settings like CMS gamma sharpness etc., the picture settings won't actually change. They change in the Menu but the picture won't change until you reboot the TV itself. Then you can see the adjustments you made. If there is a way to see the settings w/o having to reboot the TV I would like to know.
You could devote one of the custom settings to Netflix.
post #3739 of 11455
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Originally Posted by guvadc View Post

Has your IR cleared up yet ?


Glad I hate sports....so no IR problems at all on any plasmas I have owned! lol
post #3740 of 11455
I've switched from a Sony 60"SXRD to a 65"ZT60. The Sony had these huge speakers on the left and right sides - the new Panasonic actually looks smaller. I really liked the picture on the Sony...once I've run the break-in slides, it will be interesting to compare the two (I havent disposed of the Sony yet).
post #3741 of 11455
Avoiding sports will not make anyone immune to IR. There are many causes. Do your kids watch cartoons? Do you watch the news? Like the Science channel, History channel? Play games? etc, etc, etc
post #3742 of 11455
I'm just lucky, I watch football and F1 and still haven't had a hint of IR. I don't game, so no experience there.
post #3743 of 11455
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Originally Posted by ChuckAuger View Post

I'm just lucky, I watch football and F1 and still haven't had a hint of IR. I don't game, so no experience there.

Do you happen to go looking for the IR? What I mean is put up the white colored slides and look closely at the screen for it. I'm not suggesting you do this, just wondering if you have.

There are plenty of claims of IR and plenty of others that claim they have none. I wonder if those that have it are looking for it (like me) and some others that don't have it aren't actively looking for it. I admit that its very difficult to see the IR on regular content and if I didn't look for it, I wouldn't notice it.
post #3744 of 11455
I've looked. I ran the FFFFFF slide at 100% contrast on Vivid to try to hear the buzz people mention. Didn't hear that, either. I also don't have dead/stuck pixels or vertical bands, and my fans are nearly silent. None of the maladies, I really like this TV.
post #3745 of 11455
^Some guys have all the luck. I have all of the above (with the exception of any bands). wink.gif

But it's just a TV...I'm not going to get too sussed about it, as the TV is still the best ever PQ in spite of all aforementioned maladies. Still wish I'd waited to grab one for $3k from Amazon, however, after what I know now (fan/air noise/thermal design, susceptibility to IR, and I guess I have a mild case of burn-in).

With any luck, I'll use up all its usable hours trying to get rid of IR and just employ an extended warranty as a downpayment for an OLED in a couple of years.

I'm not particularly into sports either, but joining a fantasy football league changed that quite a bit (addictive stuff).
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

That sucks vinnie. Sorry to hear it.
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Originally Posted by discone View Post

I hope it clears up for you vinnie.
Thanks for the thoughts...I am not counting on the latter (it's a surefire way to set up more disappointment). My fantasy football team is imploding after last night's injury, so at least I have less tendency to further cause damage.
Edited by vinnie97 - 11/5/13 at 5:58pm
post #3746 of 11455
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

^Some guys have all the luck. I have all of the above (with the exception of any bands). wink.gif

But it's just a TV...I'm not going to get too sussed about it, as the TV is still the best ever PQ in spite of all aforementioned maladies. Still wish I'd waited to grab one for $3k from Amazon, however, after what I know now (fan/air noise/thermal design, susceptibility to IR, and I guess I have a mild case of burn-in).

With any luck, I'll use up all its usable hours trying to get rid of IR and just employ an extended warranty as a downpayment for an OLED in a couple of years.

I'm not particularly into sports either, but joining a fantasy football league changed that quite a bit (addictive stuff).

Thanks for the thoughts...I am not counting on the latter (it's a surefire way to set up more disappointment). My fantasy football team is imploding after last night's injury, so at least I have less tendency to further cause damage.
you must have Aaron Rodgers on your fantasy team!
post #3747 of 11455
You said it, and I have already used all of my waiver moves and am with no spare QB, leaving me at the graces of the other league members for the purpose of trading (my last resort). :Q

Watched some 3D tonight for the first time since the Fox scoreboard took residence on my set (or a broad outline of it anyway), and the higher contrast settings actually brought out the nonuniformity in the lower part of the screen a few times, especially during the credits of all things (the heightened black level in this mode seemed to make it visible). I thought it was my imagination at first but finally came to the conclusion that it couldn't be since I'm not on any hallucinatory drugs and the rest of the screen maintained its uniformity. Now I *really* wish I'd have sprung for that Best Buy warranty.
post #3748 of 11455
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Avoiding sports will not make anyone immune to IR. There are many causes. Do your kids watch cartoons? Do you watch the news? Like the Science channel, History channel? Play games? etc, etc, etc[/quote

Problem with sports is the same large banners and logos are displayed for hours on end, and if you are an ESPN addict you will have burn in on the set. (I see ESPN burn in on sets at bars all the time) I watch History Channel about 15% of the sets use, and get no IR from their logo. News channels watched a lot would no doubt cause burn in too. Best policy is mix up the viewing as much as possible.
post #3749 of 11455
I have a "real world" question for you guys. Just purchased a 65ZT60 to replace a Pioneer 6010 that went dead. Great picture. I think it's an improvement over that particular Pioneer. Don't like the fan noise, but not a complete deal killer. This set is used for general TV viewing over Directv satellite with limited movies on Blu-ray. Sometimes I wonder if this premium tv's picture advancements are wasted on sources such as satellite that can be compressed etc. I've seen the picture on the ST60 and I wonder if it makes more sense to get two 60ST60 TV's ( with no fan noise ) for the price of one 65ZT60. I could use the second TV in a man cave over my garage. So the question is, would I notice a big difference in picture quality and black levels if the majority of the content is over sat. I can still return the ZT60, which is a hassle but it may make more sense.
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

You said it, and I have already used all of my waiver moves and am with no spare QB, leaving me at the graces of the other league members for the purpose of trading (my last resort). :Q

Watched some 3D tonight for the first time since the Fox scoreboard took residence on my set (or a broad outline of it anyway), and the higher contrast settings actually brought out the nonuniformity in the lower part of the screen a few times, especially during the credits of all things (the heightened black level in this mode seemed to make it visible). I thought it was my imagination at first but finally came to the conclusion that it couldn't be since I'm not on any hallucinatory drugs and the rest of the screen maintained its uniformity. Now I *really* wish I'd have sprung for that Best Buy warranty.

I feel your pain from Monday night's game (I lost by 1 pt too) and my second QB (Mr. Brady) has a bye week this Sunday. The only advantage I have over you, not related to fantasy football, is that I did purchase the WAY overpriced BB warranty when I bought my display because even back in May the VT/ZT threads had me worried - plus the real possibility that Panny wouldn't be around in a year or two to fix them. I am getting use to the fan noise or that's what I keep telling myself when they start up and fortunately haven't noticed any of your problems yet - but I still have a few years to decide - plus I need to get some more viewing time given I invested in a calibration. Maybe the key is some hallucinatory drugs smile.gif
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