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post #3751 of 11410
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Originally Posted by markjl View Post

I have a "real world" question for you guys. Just purchased a 65ZT60 to replace a Pioneer 6010 that went dead. Great picture. I think it's an improvement over that particular Pioneer. Don't like the fan noise, but not a complete deal killer. This set is used for general TV viewing over Directv satellite with limited movies on Blu-ray. Sometimes I wonder if this premium tv's picture advancements are wasted on sources such as satellite that can be compressed etc. I've seen the picture on the ST60 and I wonder if it makes more sense to get two 60ST60 TV's ( with no fan noise ) for the price of one 65ZT60. I could use the second TV in a man cave over my garage. So the question is, would I notice a big difference in picture quality and black levels if the majority of the content is over sat. I can still return the ZT60, which is a hassle but it may make more sense.

I don't think you would notice a big difference at all. I have a ZT-60 and a 50 inch S-64 (hybrid of S-60 with ST-60 screen filter). I am shocked at how close the 2 sets look. If the ST-64 was calibrated like my ZT is the difference would be even smaller. The main difference is black levels....but the S-64 is still pretty darn good compared to most plasmas I have seen.
post #3752 of 11410
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Originally Posted by AlanBuck View Post

I don't think you would notice a big difference at all. I have a ZT-60 and a 50 inch S-64 (hybrid of S-60 with ST-60 screen filter). I am shocked at how close the 2 sets look. If the ST-64 was calibrated like my ZT is the difference would be even smaller. The main difference is black levels....but the S-64 is still pretty darn good compared to most plasmas I have seen.

Thanks for the feedback. I also have the 50ST60, at a different location and it sure seemed they were close. Especially on non-reference material like sat or cable.
post #3753 of 11410
I was strongly considering the zt65to replace a 2 year old vt30 65"...after multiple comparisons,I really did not see anything (overwhelming) that would have me make the move.The calibrated (chadB)vt30,to my eyes,produces a stunning picture and holds it's own against the zt...and that's all that really matters,right?
post #3754 of 11410
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Originally Posted by hodges69 View Post

I was strongly considering the zt65to replace a 2 year old vt30 65"...after multiple comparisons,I really did not see anything (overwhelming) that would have me make the move.The calibrated (chadB)vt30,to my eyes,produces a stunning picture and holds it's own against the zt...and that's all that really matters,right?

I have a friend with the Costco version of the S-30 (S-34). I think my ZT-60 is a better tv for sure (plus mine is ChadB calibrated helping it even more), but even the S-30 is a very nice set and probably within 85% of the PQ of the ZT, especially if watching in a room that isn't super dark where the ZT's superior black levels will be obvious. If your set is working well I'd sit tight and hope it lasts until OLED is reliable and affordable. Of course we don't yet know what issues this tech may have...let's hope not many.
post #3755 of 11410
^We have some clues (concerning OLED's issues...long-term aging is the biggest question mark).

Me personally I could not "settle" with an xt30 panel after being spoiled by the Kuro for so long. That's also why I went with the highest end model to try to match that experience as much as possible.

Murray, I will have to settle with only 1 QB (unless a trade is approved in time for week 10) and a Mack warranty. redface.gif Congrats on employing that cushion (costly but beneficial for the peace of mind after you read a thread like this).
post #3756 of 11410
Hey folks,

My 65ZT60 was delivered yesterday. Beautiful! Stunning! Very happy, I am. biggrin.gif

One thing I need some help with: This set replaced a 720p Pioneer Elite plasma. I have a Windows 7 HTPC attached through DVI -> HDMI and ran it something like 1320x768 resolution on the Pioneer. Attaching it to the ZT60 Windows defaults to 1024x768, but says the optimal resolution is 1920x1080. However, any setting above 1024x768 causes the ZT60 to claim it no longer sees an input signal. Then I have to bounce the PC and start over.

Is there some setting that needs to be tweaked?

Any help will be appreciated!
post #3757 of 11410
I would like to start the D-Nice slides, but one of the initial steps is to set the Pixel Orbiter to Auto. When I go to that menu, it's greyed out. How can I set it?
post #3758 of 11410
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Originally Posted by mondo3 View Post

I would like to start the D-Nice slides, but one of the initial steps is to set the Pixel Orbiter to Auto. When I go to that menu, it's greyed out. How can I set it?
Make sure you're in "Custom" picture mode. Pixel orbiter is grayed out in some of the other modes. Not that it matters. IMO the orbiter doesn't really do much.
post #3759 of 11410
Thanks…key was going into the photos menus before setting the pixel orbiter to off. I had been trying to do that as soon as I turned on the TV. So 1 minute gone…99.99 hours remaining
post #3760 of 11410
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Originally Posted by hodges69 View Post

I was strongly considering the zt65to replace a 2 year old vt30 65"...after multiple comparisons,I really did not see anything (overwhelming) that would have me make the move.The calibrated (chadB)vt30,to my eyes,produces a stunning picture and holds it's own against the zt...and that's all that really matters,right?
There where some big improvements made from your set to the ZT60. However, its your wallet wink.gif Your eye's as well, they might not see the difference.
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

^We have some clues (concerning OLED's issues...long-term aging is the biggest question mark).
I will keep you posted, as of now the LG OLED has better black levels by 3 folds compared to the Pioneer Kuro ! >> http://www.avsforum.com/t/1493578/lg-55ea9800-55-oled-owners-thread Chad B review at the bottom of the page ! Chad and Buzz stated this is the best display devise they have ever tested.
post #3761 of 11410
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

There where some big improvements made from your set to the ZT60. However, its your wallet wink.gif Your eye's as well, they might not see the difference.
I will keep you posted, as of now the LG OLED has better black levels by 3 folds compared to the Pioneer Kuro ! >> http://www.avsforum.com/t/1493578/lg-55ea9800-55-oled-owners-thread Chad B review at the bottom of the page ! Chad and Buzz stated this is the best display devise they have ever tested.

That's true....again,I did not view a calibrated zt,and the conditions were not ideal......to add to the dilemma is the 4k offerings..my present thinking is to pass on the ZT and wait until,both the kinks and price make me salivate for 4k...
post #3762 of 11410
I hear ya, you must be a patient person. That will be some time from now until the OLED's are more affordable and 4K. Buy a Panasonic till then, cheers biggrin.gif
post #3763 of 11410
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I hear ya, you must be a patient person. That will be some time from now until the OLED's are more affordable and 4K. Buy a Panasonic till then, cheers biggrin.gif

Patience my ###.....What makes the wait bearable is my elite 150 FD in another room!smile.gif
Edited by hodges69 - 11/7/13 at 3:41pm
post #3764 of 11410
A very good reason NOT to buy a 4K TV now is the interface. It's not clear how future devices (4K Bluray ?) will interface with the TV. Display Port, HDMI 2.0 or another type of connection ?
post #3765 of 11410
My 60"ZT60 in Norway,number 00388. ISF calibrated by Gorm Sørensen,ProCal. Love it!smile.gif

Link to my system:

http://avforum.no/myhifi/WALL-E

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post #3766 of 11410
"a masterpiece foie gras au torchon with a late harvest of vidal sauce,with dried and fresh figs"
Hannibal (2013) on Blu-Ray rocks! Gourgeous made!

Screenshot taken with iPhone5 in a "semi-dark" living room. ISF "NIGHT" modus.
Enjoy the meal!smile.gif

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post #3767 of 11410
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Originally Posted by Walter White View Post

"a masterpiece foie gras au torchon with a late harvest of vidal sauce,with dried and fresh figs"
Hannibal (2013) on Blu-Ray rocks! Gourgeous made!

Screenshot taken with iPhone5 in a "semi-dark" living room. ISF "NIGHT" modus.
Enjoy the meal!smile.gif

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Yeah, the iPhone 5 sucks at taking pictures. This is the fifth or sixth I've seen that crush the heck out of the blacks. Certainly doesn't do either the TV or the movie justice.
post #3768 of 11410
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Originally Posted by hodges69 View Post

That's true....again,I did not view a calibrated zt,and the conditions were not ideal......to add to the dilemma is the 4k offerings..my present thinking is to pass on the ZT and wait until,both the kinks and price make me salivate for 4k...
.

Why salivate for 4K when all reviewer's have pretty much stated it's worthless? Give me ZT 60 PQ over more pixels nobody can see any day! I do have high hopes for OLED though. But 4K appears to be more a marketing gimmick than a real game changer for PQ
post #3769 of 11410
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Originally Posted by AlanBuck View Post

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Why salivate for 4K when all reviewer's have pretty much stated it's worthless? Give me ZT 60 PQ over more pixels nobody can see any day! I do have high hopes for OLED though. But 4K appears to be more a marketing gimmick than a real game changer for PQ

I saw the Sony and Samsung demo'd at HH. Gregg,and I saw outstanding PQ on both...I have a friend that works there so I brought in aBD of Alien......not the best BD to demo,but plenty of blacks..and the Sony really impressed me...also had a backup disc(non BD) of A time to Kill and the up scaling of that single layer,compressed disc was excellent....the viewing distance was about 12 feet away...I don't know what the hell the reviewers were watching,but to my eyes there was more than a discernible difference.....As I understand it,OLED has major probs concerning longevity and reproduction of certain colors....but until I see one demonstrated,I will take that with a grain of salt...the town that I live in is considered too small to have a BB Magnolia,and the closest one is a to far for me to travel,but I might do so when OLED is shown.bottom line..it might be a long time before OLED is problem free and affordable,so,IMO,4k is the next step up??I might be wrong but seeing made me
a possible future owner.
post #3770 of 11410
So you saw these under store lighting, which is not ideal in the least (to visualizing true black levels especially). There was a 4K Sony at the shootout back in May. Aside from resolution, it was not a step up in comparison to the F8500, VT60, or ZT60.
post #3771 of 11410
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Originally Posted by Walter White View Post

My 60"ZT60 in Norway,number 00388. ISF calibrated by Gorm Sørensen,ProCal. Love it!smile.gif

Link to my system:

http://avforum.no/myhifi/WALL-E

CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), default quality

Wow, those are some MONSTER speakers! I wish I could hear your system. eek.gif
post #3772 of 11410
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Originally Posted by Uncle Alpo View Post

Hey folks,

My 65ZT60 was delivered yesterday. Beautiful! Stunning! Very happy, I am. biggrin.gif

One thing I need some help with: This set replaced a 720p Pioneer Elite plasma. I have a Windows 7 HTPC attached through DVI -> HDMI and ran it something like 1320x768 resolution on the Pioneer. Attaching it to the ZT60 Windows defaults to 1024x768, but says the optimal resolution is 1920x1080. However, any setting above 1024x768 causes the ZT60 to claim it no longer sees an input signal. Then I have to bounce the PC and start over.

Is there some setting that needs to be tweaked?

Any help will be appreciated!
Figured it out. The set is sensitive to the refresh rate and what Winders chooses as the default is not precise enough. I had to go into the advanced display settings on the PC and select 1900x1080/60Hz. Now it works like a charm.
post #3773 of 11410
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Wow, those are some MONSTER speakers! I wish I could hear your system. eek.gif

You are welcome to my place,if You are going to Norway!smile.gif
I am very happy with my sound now. It took a few years,but I have never felt the natural presence,dynamics,clarity with other speakers before,like these Raidho X 4.0 Ceramic performs. The first time I listened to a pair of Raidhos,it was like to hear music for the first time! No,I am not religious!smile.gif But they are magical! Made by HiFi connoseurs for HiFi connoseurs!
And the inventors of Raidho (Lars Kristensen and Michael Børresen) have many years in the American company Nordost Cables. So it is natural,that every Raidho speaker,is internally wired with Nordost Valhalla and Odin cables. I was very lucky to get this pair from Denmark,there Raidho Acoustics is located. You don't see these very often on the aftermarket! My model is the "father" of their new C 4.1,which cost over $130000...

Here is a link to Raidhos website:

http://www.raidho.dk

....and two links about Lars Kristensen from Nordost,Lars is a very nice man,and He deserves to be presented to people,who didn't have the opportunity to meet him. The first clip is a little about Nordost company,and Lars former role there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voM31Jc2NB4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOG2zquq_8Y

...and his companion Michael Børresen,talking about the Raidho drivers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHLXliDos6I

Enjoy!smile.gif

Kind regards

Hans
Edited by Walter White - 11/8/13 at 2:38pm
post #3774 of 11410
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Originally Posted by Walter White View Post

My 60"ZT60 in Norway,number 00388. ISF calibrated by Gorm Sørensen,ProCal. Love it!smile.gif

Link to my system:

http://avforum.no/myhifi/WALL-E

CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), default quality
Walter White, what brand of speakers are those? They look incredible!
post #3775 of 11410
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Originally Posted by Bigmoviefan View Post

Walter White, what brand of speakers are those? They look incredible!

A Danish company,called Raidho( http://raidho.dk)They only make 200 pairs/year. 4 employees in the fabric. Just go in to Youtube and write "Raidho speaker" or "Lars Kristensen Nordost" or "Michael Børresen Raidho", and You will see for your self!:-)

One of the inventors of Raidho,Lars Kristensen, is truly a legend in the cable community. He should be named "Mr Nordost"!;)He has been in the Nordost Cables company for over 20 years.But Lars and Michael did not start Raidho Acoustics to build something,that everyone else could do! They dont make so many pairs/year,but they make them far better!.....You can trust me on that!smile.gif
post #3776 of 11410
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Originally Posted by hodges69 View Post

I saw the Sony and Samsung demo'd at HH. Gregg,and I saw outstanding PQ on both...I have a friend that works there so I brought in aBD of Alien......not the best BD to demo,but plenty of blacks..and the Sony really impressed me...also had a backup disc(non BD) of A time to Kill and the up scaling of that single layer,compressed disc was excellent....the viewing distance was about 12 feet away...I don't know what the hell the reviewers were watching,but to my eyes there was more than a discernible difference.....As I understand it,OLED has major probs concerning longevity and reproduction of certain colors....but until I see one demonstrated,I will take that with a grain of salt...the town that I live in is considered too small to have a BB Magnolia,and the closest one is a to far for me to travel,but I might do so when OLED is shown.bottom line..it might be a long time before OLED is problem free and affordable,so,IMO,4k is the next step up??I might be wrong but seeing made me
a possible future owner.


According to all the reviews I have read from several sources nobody could discern meaningful improvement at viewing distances typically used for home theater viewing on sets up to 65 inches. Even native 4k material barely looked better on the 4k sets, and 1080 material often looked worse. I'm stoked about the potential of OLED, but 4k sounds like a gimmick on 65 inch and smaller sets. The human eye cannot usually resolve the difference in this type of use. Computer monitors and projection tv would of course benefit.
post #3777 of 11410
All I can tell you is that I saw it in person....and did see an improved picture .....I am as anal about PQ as every member of the AVS family....seeing is believing ...
Have you seen any of the 4k sets yet?give me all the stats you want...I saw what I saw when putting the Sony through it's paces as did other customer who were watching what we were doing...I am not an advocate of 4k...but a consumer who wants the best,affordable set on the market.not doubt OLED would be a step up..but unaffordable ,at this point for me...And I have not had the pleasure of viewing one,as yet...but,regardless,price forces me to look elsewhere.
post #3778 of 11410
Anyone else experiencing moire pattern or aliasing on the F8500 on white outlines? I've just recently started to notice this and not sure if it's been there all along. Images aren't solid in some motion, and white lines or outlines show some flicker and
post #3779 of 11410
^Wrong thread?
post #3780 of 11410
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Originally Posted by markjl View Post

I have a "real world" question for you guys. Just purchased a 65ZT60 to replace a Pioneer 6010 that went dead. Great picture. I think it's an improvement over that particular Pioneer. Don't like the fan noise, but not a complete deal killer. This set is used for general TV viewing over Directv satellite with limited movies on Blu-ray. Sometimes I wonder if this premium tv's picture advancements are wasted on sources such as satellite that can be compressed etc. I've seen the picture on the ST60 and I wonder if it makes more sense to get two 60ST60 TV's ( with no fan noise ) for the price of one 65ZT60. I could use the second TV in a man cave over my garage. So the question is, would I notice a big difference in picture quality and black levels if the majority of the content is over sat. I can still return the ZT60, which is a hassle but it may make more sense.

Fan noise aside. If i hadn't of got my literally brand new KRPM when i did in July - and knowing now the fate of plasma, the ZT is probably the best choice all in all you have made. It's the last true premium plasma to be made (Brand new to buy). If all Kuro's including my beloved M were to die today i would get the money together to buy a ZT or if not available a VT60. As much as i like the Panasonic pro plasmas i watch in daylight as well as dark so it would have to be one of the last Panasonic's.
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