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post #3841 of 11467
What is the production month when they fixed the fan problem on the ZT? I saw it somewhere here and now i can't.

Btw, I am supposed to have my ZT60 tomorrow and instead of being happy, I'm obsessing this set not being bright enough. I'm trying to convince myself that it has a better PQ over the Sam 8500. eek.gif

I have the original Pioneer Elite 50" FHD-1 that is about 6 years old. This came out before the Kuro. I am used to this brightness level on my display. If I get at least that brightness, I would be OK.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Ken
post #3842 of 11467
I think it was after July.
post #3843 of 11467
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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein View Post

Further findings on 3D performance...

I write 3D reviews for another website.  I own close to 100 3D Blu-ray titles.  I know them pretty much inside out.

This display is absolutely worthless when it comes to properly displaying 3D content.

Put in A Turtles Tale (region 2), which is by far, the best 3D disc for pop-out.  Animated turtles are supposed to swim right before your eyes. Instead, everything remained within the confines of the screen.  There was no sense of pop-out whatsoever.

Switched over to Disney's Cars, recently released to 3D Blu-ray.  Though this is an upconversion, there are interesting layering effects with the racing stats that appear on the screen.  All of it looked flat here.

Next was Pacific Rim, another upconversion, but one of the very best out there. There should be almost infinite depth in the picture,  Instead, everything looked more flat than 3-dimensional.

Next was Hugo and Monsters vs. Aliens.  These were the first two 3D titles that really gave me a sense of depth.  Not sure why both these titles are displaying differently, but the depth looked fairly good on both.  Saw a lot of crosstalk on Hugo, which is normal for this title.

During the closing credits of Despicable Me, the minions try to outdo each other in placing props to extend further out of the display area.  None of those props extend beyond the confines of the screen.

The level of 3D is so subdued that it's non-existent.  Again, owners of this display would never know it unless they had something to compare it to.


My former plasma was the LG 60PX950 THX 3D display.  It had amazing 3D capability, so I know what I am comparing the Panasonic ZT 60 to.  There is just a night and day difference between the 3D performance on both these displays to the point where the 3D practically doesn't exist on the Panasonic.  A lot of the content on the Panasonic looks flat -- even in instances, when removing the eyewear, that you can see significant blur in the picture (meaning 3D intensity is high).

I admit, black levels are just amazing on this display.  I have never seen anything like it.

Blu-rays look quite good.  Broadcast HD television not so good.

I am going to look into returning this display.  Whether I will chance on getting the Samsung f8500 or just going back to my LG plasma is something I will have to think further about.

Pacific Rim looked awesome on mine with excellent depth. Reviews have all praised 3D on these sets as well. Not sure what's wrong with your setup but these sets certainly do 3D as well as any plasma ever made. LG plasmas are dreadful compared to Samsung and Panasonic. Always rated lowest in reviews. Of course broadcast tv looks mediocre...it is. A properly calibrated set makes thar even more obvious. I do wish network shows looked like Blu-ray Discs. Some of the shows on Showtime look great though..it can be done.
post #3844 of 11467

To further bring everyone up-to-date....

 

The 3D problem seems to be fixed.  Not certain why, initially, I was only getting minimal depth results.

 

Also an interesting turn with the broadcast TV problem I initially reported...

 

Fios broadcast looks like crap on this display.

 

However, I still have Dish Network access.  I switched over to that, and it looks pretty damn good.

 

Thing is, I need to use the Fios for daily use as I have a Tivo Roamio that does not work with satellite.

 

Any chance that crappy Fios picture can be tweaked to look more normalized?  Right now it looks very blurred.

 

Finally, to ask once more...

 

...where can I find the D-Nice settings?

post #3845 of 11467
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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein View Post

Something happened, guys....

All of a sudden the 3D changed.

I am still in the middle of going through dozens of discs but the UNDER THE SEA disc finally kicked in and the cod fish scene worked -- perhaps more spectacular than before.

Same thing with DESPICABLE ME.  Suddenly, the sequences with the minions trying to edge out of the screen, finally played as it should.

TITANIC and PACIFIC RIM, both of which are upconverted, still did not look as good as it did on the LG.

..but A TURTLE'S TALE....Wow and Wow!  The amazing in-your-face effect finally worked.  It's there and it looks AMAZING.


Now someone here is saying they had the same problem initially?  I don't know what could have happened that all of a sudden the 3D became more intense.  

I am hoping that problem is solved, as really, I don't want to go through the process of returning this display.

Give me a few more hours.  I am still auditioning a handful of 3D content. Will report back again.

...and my apologies for the conflicting reports.  I don't know what happened.  Same settings -- but suddenly the display came to life.
Hi Ronald, I too experienced the same exact problem. I have the 65vt60 and watched the same chapter of avatar many times over and sometimes the 3D looks 2D and other times it pops. I can't figure it out. Please let us know if you know any tricks to making the 3D pop every time. Thanks.
post #3846 of 11467
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CMS is "Color Detail Adjustment" and the Stimuli Level is labeled as 100 IRE, 90 IRE etc, it is under the "More Detail Adjustment"

 

Something is up with the calibration settings on this website.

 

Too many times it mentions Stimuli Level adjustments that just aren't there.  There are only two IRE adjustments I have found thus far compared to the multiple ones described in those calibrations.

 

Looking for a different calibration list.  Something better defined to the ZT60.

 


 

Quote:

I have the 65vt60 and watched the same chapter of avatar many times over and sometimes the 3D looks 2D and other times it pops. I can't figure it out. Please let us know if you know any tricks to making the 3D pop every time. Thanks.

 

 

I don't know -- but suddenly there was pop where before there wasn't.

 

Is this a reocurring problem?  Anyone else experiencing it too?  I am still deciding whether to keep this display or not.

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post #3848 of 11467
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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein View Post

...where can I find the D-Nice settings?
D-Nice says in his thread that he doesn't want anyone linking to it directly, so just Google "2013 Panasonic D-Nice settings".
post #3849 of 11467
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein View Post

Something is up with the calibration settings on this website.

Too many times it mentions Stimuli Level adjustments that just aren't there.  There are only two IRE adjustments I have found thus far compared to the multiple ones described in those calibrations.

Looking for a different calibration list.  Something better defined to the ZT60.



 

I don't know -- but suddenly there was pop where before there wasn't.

Is this a reocurring problem?  Anyone else experiencing it too?  I am still deciding whether to keep this display or not.

That one works fine. It has quite a bit of "POP" to it, much more than the settings on cnet. It IS specific for the ZT.
I have that on mine. I actually have both on mine but finally settled on the one you linked to. I'm not in front of my SET at the moment, but the settings are there, just as they are listed You may have to just fumble around the picture set-up until you find them. There is also a professional adjustments(?) that some are under. Just click on all of the adjustment tabs until you find what you are looking for. Its not very intuitive, but once you've done it, its not that hard.
J
post #3850 of 11467
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein View Post

Something is up with the calibration settings on this website.

Too many times it mentions Stimuli Level adjustments that just aren't there.  There are only two IRE adjustments I have found thus far compared to the multiple ones described in those calibrations.

Looking for a different calibration list.  Something better defined to the ZT60.

I assume you are using custom picture mode. The different IRE adjustments can be found by using the up and down arrows when you are in the menu to set a specific IRE. It is not intuitive because the menu does not provide you any context that there are additional IRE levels that you can select to edit. You just have to know they are there. tongue.gif
post #3851 of 11467

Phatal,

 

I am using Custom mode to make the adjustments.

 

I do see the IRE settings on a couple things.  Others...I don't see them.  

 

Don't know how I could be missing them but I will certainly look again.

 

Thanks for the assistance.

post #3852 of 11467
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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein View Post

Phatal,

I am using Custom mode to make the adjustments.

I do see the IRE settings on a couple things.  Others...I don't see them.  

Don't know how I could be missing them but I will certainly look again.

Thanks for the assistance.

Did you enable the "Professional" modes (aka Professional 1 and Professional 2)?
post #3853 of 11467
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Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

Has anyone figured out how to purchase a ZT panel with an August 2013 or later build date without removing the panel from the box?

I've been told that they no longer put the manufacture date on the box anymore.
Thanks
manufacture date was never on the box, only on the back of Panasonic's. Keep in mind not every set has fan noise, it is luck of the draw if a unit has noise or not. We have had about 4 complaints on fan noise out of about 300 sold.
post #3854 of 11467
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

manufacture date was never on the box, only on the back of Panasonic's. Keep in mind not every set has fan noise, it is luck of the draw if a unit has noise or not. We have had about 4 complaints on fan noise out of about 300 sold.

Chris - you need to send more of your customers to AVS so we can educate them on all the things to look for (and listen) in regards to what may be wrong with their displays smile.gif
post #3855 of 11467
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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein View Post

Phatal,

I am using Custom mode to make the adjustments.

I do see the IRE settings on a couple things.  Others...I don't see them.  

Don't know how I could be missing them but I will certainly look again.

Thanks for the assistance.
Have you gone into the advanced settings? Are you scrolling all the way down? There are more settings you have to scroll down to.menue is a loop- eventually, you'll end up at the top again.
This shouldn't be that hard.
J
post #3856 of 11467
Quote:
Did you enable the "Professional" modes (aka Professional 1 and Professional 2)?

 

I simply scrolled down to Pro Settings.

 

Is there something additional in the menu settings that need to be enabled before I go into picture settings?

post #3857 of 11467
Menu - Picture - Pro Settings to enable the two different modes (which are identical but can be set with different settings for day/night/etc.)
post #3858 of 11467

UPDATE

 

Things just continue to be crazy on this end as I have been breaking in my ZT60 for the past 7 hours.

 

I was complaining that broadcast quality looks like crap.

 

I went into my Tivo settings.  It was outputting 480p.  It made the switch when I swapped out displays and never switched back.  Never even thought that could be the problem.

 

So, there is the answer for the blurry Hi-Def.  Now it looks amazing in 1080.

 

The only remaining issue with this display is its initial tendency to switch 3D from flat to "pop"

 

Someone else has reported the same issue and I want to be certain this is not an ongoing problem where sometimes I am getting the best 3D I can and others it is giving me a more flat picture.
 

post #3859 of 11467
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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein View Post

I simply scrolled down to Pro Settings.

Is there something additional in the menu settings that need to be enabled before I go into picture settings?

If you're saying that you cannot find some of the IRE settings options on your set, that were posted by the professional calibrators, you may need to enable the pro settings per smurraybhm's post.

Also, per another thread, for your "Dish Network" feed, and possibly your Fios, I had some black crush with Dish, and wound up setting color space to "non-standard" (on the HDMI settings), instead of 16-235. Seemed to help a great deal. I'm currently using CNET settings (slightly tweaked) with Gamma @ 2.2, but will revisit SammieB and D-Nice's settings, as I'd like to enable 2.4 Gamma.
post #3860 of 11467
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post #3861 of 11467
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Originally Posted by ken6217 View Post

What is the production month when they fixed the fan problem on the ZT? I saw it somewhere here and now i can't.

Btw, I am supposed to have my ZT60 tomorrow and instead of being happy, I'm obsessing this set not being bright enough. I'm trying to convince myself that it has a better PQ over the Sam 8500. eek.gif

I have the original Pioneer Elite 50" FHD-1 that is about 6 years old. This came out before the Kuro. I am used to this brightness level on my display. If I get at least that brightness, I would be OK.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Ken

My thought: You won't have to convince yourself of anything. I'm coming from LED and brightness was my first concern after living with my roommates GT50 for a few months, closely followed by IR. To my eyes this set is brilliantly bright. It's so bright I can't wait to calibrate for it with "Low" light setting or in Standard mode. I don't get how much brighter you would need a TV to be. High cell light is too much IMO. And about the fan noise, I haven't read the entire thread but has it really been confirmed that there is a "factory fix" starting with Augusts model? Maybe I'm going deaf (mid 20's) but I don't hear any fan noise and like someone mentioned have to put my head behind the panel to hear it.

Last night I had a real scare with IR. Watched Assassins and walked away from the TV when credits were almost done rolling. Decided to take the dog out for a walk. 30 min later I return and the home screen for the blu ray is on static, with Stallone's Banderas' and Moore's mugs smack dab in the middle eek.gif I turn it off and immediately notice their faces in the blu ray player menu. Switched on the screen wipe feature for about 10 minutes and it went away. Phew. For a moment I thought it was that perm burn in.
post #3862 of 11467
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Originally Posted by oreb View Post

My thought: You won't have to convince yourself of anything. I'm coming from LED and brightness was my first concern after living with my roommates GT50 for a few months, closely followed by IR. To my eyes this set is brilliantly bright. It's so bright I can't wait to calibrate for it with "Low" light setting or in Standard mode. I don't get how much brighter you would need a TV to be. High cell light is too much IMO. And about the fan noise, I haven't read the entire thread but has it really been confirmed that there is a "factory fix" starting with Augusts model? Maybe I'm going deaf (mid 20's) but I don't hear any fan noise and like someone mentioned have to put my head behind the panel to hear it.

Last night I had a real scare with IR. Watched Assassins and walked away from the TV when credits were almost done rolling. Decided to take the dog out for a walk. 30 min later I return and the home screen for the blu ray is on static, with Stallone's Banderas' and Moore's mugs smack dab in the middle eek.gif I turn it off and immediately notice their faces in the blu ray player menu. Switched on the screen wipe feature for about 10 minutes and it went away. Phew. For a moment I thought it was that perm burn in.

Fortunately, the chances of burn-in after 30 minutes are next to nil smile.gif
post #3863 of 11467
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Originally Posted by oreb View Post

My thought: You won't have to convince yourself of anything. I'm coming from LED and brightness was my first concern after living with my roommates GT50 for a few months, closely followed by IR. To my eyes this set is brilliantly bright. It's so bright I can't wait to calibrate for it with "Low" light setting or in Standard mode. I don't get how much brighter you would need a TV to be. High cell light is too much IMO. And about the fan noise, I haven't read the entire thread but has it really been confirmed that there is a "factory fix" starting with Augusts model? Maybe I'm going deaf (mid 20's) but I don't hear any fan noise and like someone mentioned have to put my head behind the panel to hear it.

Last night I had a real scare with IR. Watched Assassins and walked away from the TV when credits were almost done rolling. Decided to take the dog out for a walk. 30 min later I return and the home screen for the blu ray is on static, with Stallone's Banderas' and Moore's mugs smack dab in the middle eek.gif I turn it off and immediately notice their faces in the blu ray player menu. Switched on the screen wipe feature for about 10 minutes and it went away. Phew. For a moment I thought it was that perm burn in.

Thank you for your detailed response. I appreciate it. I'm sure I'll be fine. smile.gif

Btw, what is IR?
Ken
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post #3865 of 11467
on the ST60 when motion smoother is turned off the credits on films judder.

are the credits on the ZT60 smooth as far as motion is concerned?
post #3866 of 11467
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Originally Posted by theteflondon View Post

on the ST60 when motion smoother is turned off the credits on films judder.

are the credits on the ZT60 smooth as far as motion is concerned?
I have yet to see any judder on any plasma during credits. What's your source?
post #3867 of 11467
ohh there's judder on the st60 when the motion smoother is turned off (which has to be otherwise you get the soap opera effect).

http://www.techhelpfox.com/8295070/Issues-With-New-Panny-St60%3F%3F-Shakingwobbling-Picture%3F%3F%3F-The-Shaky-shake

the source is an OPPO-BDP 103 through HDMI.

Just wondering if the ZT60 has this same issue or if it is correct on this latest model??
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

I have yet to see any judder on any plasma during credits. What's your source?
post #3868 of 11467
Is there any real difference in the 60 and 65 ZT60? I'm looking at one or the other. I'm having a hard time justifying the extra cost of the 65 given that the 60, while slightly smaller, would have more dense pixels. I'm guessing their both amazing TV's with little difference. Is that the case?

I googled one model vs the other and found no useful posts.
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post #3870 of 11467
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Is there any real difference in the 60 and 65 ZT60? I'm looking at one or the other.

 

 

Just different size displays.  Same features.  Just a preference of size.

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