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Originally Posted by ab2ab View Post

My impression is that the filter is slightly better on the VT60 compared to the ST. The ST60 is not bad at all though.

The ZT60 does handle reflections better than the VT60 but not $600 better. But I would caution you from basing your purchasing decision on my observations. If possible, I strongly urge you to demo both of them in your home and make a decision based on what you & members of your household sees. smile.gif

Thanks for your insight!

Regarding the fan noise, can it be heard from a normal viewing distance in a silent room? Say 8 to 10 feet? Or only heard when very close to the tv?
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Originally Posted by TheAnswer_03 View Post

Thanks for your insight!

Regarding the fan noise, can it be heard from a normal viewing distance in a silent room? Say 8 to 10 feet? Or only heard when very close to the tv?

I have to strain to hear the fan noise on the ZT from my seating position but with the VT, it is a tad more audible. Part of this is that I know what to listen for and I have a lot of reflective surfaces in my room. I'm about 9ft away.

I forgot to add that I literally have to mute the sound in a very quiet room to barely hear the fans. The TV's are stand mounted.
Edited by ab2ab - 11/20/13 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

^Yours is the first impression I've heard about regarding the F8500 filter being superior to that of the ZT60. On the May 2013 Value Electronics shootout video feed, I could clearly see the ZT60 was superior at deflecting ambient lighting and maintaining its black level. This is a little different than actual reflections of course.

I finally got to see a ZT side-by-side with the F8500. The reelections are equal or better on the F8500.. Surprising, but matches the poster observations too. Hard to tell in the bright store, but the ZT filter does seem to give a darker higher contrast image.


And in the store, the image on the F8500 kept drawing my eyes over the ZT. Only due to brighter image. Guess I have that moth DNA too from the shootout audience. LOL And I say this while looking at my ZT60 65 and just wondering if I should return and go with a 2014 Samsung plasma.
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Interesting, guys, I guess it depends what your preference is, and I'll just put those reflections out of mind during brighter viewing. Deeper blacks for me every time. smile.gif
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Second unit sent by Paul's came today - visibly cracked screen - didn't even need to turn it on this time to see that it was damaged mad.gif
I noticed that the back of the display stated June build date FWIW. I'd previously been assured that "we only have fresh units in stock"...

Called Paul's and asked them to refund. They offered a third unit at a slightly reduced price but I declined.
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I finally got to see a ZT side-by-side with the F8500. The reelections are equal or better on the F8500.. Surprising, but matches the poster observations too. Hard to tell in the bright store, but the ZT filter does seem to give a darker higher contrast image.


And in the store, the image on the F8500 kept drawing my eyes over the ZT. Only due to brighter image. Guess I have that moth DNA too from the shootout audience. LOL And I say this while looking at my ZT60 65 and just wondering if I should return and go with a 2014 Samsung plasma.

Shhhhh...let's not tip our hand just yet. biggrin.gif

In all seriousness, I will be looking to see if Samsung gets it right in 2014. All they have to do is nail the PQ (for me, a more natural look), keep the sophisticated menus & navigation interface I mentioned in a previous post, and I'm sold! Oh, and kill the "smart" apps & camera crap, and we're all good!
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Second unit sent by Paul's came today - visibly cracked screen - didn't even need to turn it on this time to see that it was damaged mad.gif
I noticed that the back of the display stated June build date FWIW. I'd previously been assured that "we only have fresh units in stock"...

Called Paul's and asked them to refund. They offered a third unit at a slightly reduced price but I declined.

Sorry to hear that.

Panasonic would have really helped themselves if they would have supplied more packing material to protect these screens. The little they used & how they used it is plain dumb!
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Originally Posted by ab2ab View Post

Sorry to hear that.

Panasonic would have really helped themselves if they would have supplied more packing material to protect these screens. The little they used & how they used it is plain dumb!

It certainly wouldn't have hurt. In the long run I imagine it's going to cost them more than they thought they were saving by skimping on packaging if the damage / return rate is as high as it seems.
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Originally Posted by konoyaro View Post

It certainly wouldn't have hurt. In the long run I imagine it's going to cost them more than they thought they were saving by skimping on packaging if the damage / return rate is as high as it seems.
It only seems that way for Pauls.
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Originally Posted by ab2ab View Post

Panasonic would have really helped themselves if they would have supplied more packing material to protect these screens. The little they used & how they used it is plain dumb!
While it's true that you can't have too much packing, all or nearly all the "broken" units I've heard of have come from Paul's TV. Bad luck or part of a pattern? Who knows.
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Originally Posted by weds31 View Post

Has anyone had their ZT calibrated by Jeff Meier at AccuCal? He's doing mine in 2 weeks and I can't be more excited. Just wanted to know how big of a difference it made or what anyone's impressions of his work were. Thanks
Jeff calibrated mine. Because I don't have an objective baseline and there's no way to provide an accurate, unbiased A/B comparison I can't really comment on how big of a difference it made. According to the calibration report the gamma and colorspace are nearly spot-on right out of the box but the gray scale and color temperature did benefit from calibration. Subjectively, it looks fantastic, but then it looked pretty darn impressive to begin with. In other words, it's tough to measure. I'm glad Jeff calibrated it--2D by instrument 3D by eye--but he also tweaked my audio system, which I enjoyed the benefits of as much as the TV calibration.
Edited by repete66211 - 11/20/13 at 2:55pm
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Originally Posted by skoor View Post

I finally got to see a ZT side-by-side with the F8500. The reelections are equal or better on the F8500.. Surprising, but matches the poster observations too. Hard to tell in the bright store, but the ZT filter does seem to give a darker higher contrast image.


And in the store, the image on the F8500 kept drawing my eyes over the ZT. Only due to brighter image. Guess I have that moth DNA too from the shootout audience. LOL And I say this while looking at my ZT60 65 and just wondering if I should return and go with a 2014 Samsung plasma.
You've been vacillating since May. biggrin.gif
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You've been vacillating since May. biggrin.gif
Vacillating? eek.gif I gotta party with you guy. biggrin.gif
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I know a couple of dem big words. smile.gif
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Maybe Paul's or their shipper are storing them horizontally?
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Maybe Paul's or their shipper are storing them horizontally?
Maybe they rolled a whole semi full of them.
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Maybe Paul's or their shipper are storing them horizontally?
Maybe they rolled a whole semi full of them.
I recently had an order of blu-rays delayed by a train derailment (according to UPS tracking).
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UPDATE:

Panasonic sent out a tech to verify the dead pixel in the middle of my screen. I should hear back in the next day or two. Thankfully, the dealer I'm dealing with is being extremely cooperative and will bend over backwards to get replacement for me. I, unfortunately, got the last 65ZT60 at the store so he has to source another one from Panasonic or their warehouse. Now, I get to box up the darn thing.
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Just took delivery of a P65ZT60. Moving up from a 2008 50" Pioneer Kuro 5010. Have to say the ZT60 has stunning PQ. I'm really blown away. As a reference point — considering earlier posts mentioned issues — I got mine from Paul's TV and it was an October 2013 build. No cracking or other issues, and the unit was perfect out of the box. One of the box handles was slightly ripped but no other damage and didn't look like it had been dropped or mishandled at all. May just be down to which carrier the TV ships with.

Quick question that I haven't been able to dig up through searching: is there a way to disable motion smoothing for the Viera Apps? When I launch Netflix, Amazon, Hulu they all have that 100Hz over-smoothed, soap opera, video look. The settings in the menu system are grayed out as is the ability to choose Cinema THX as a picture setting when using the Apps. Am I missing something or are the apps relegated to less ability to change settings? I have an Apple TV and a Roku but was looking forward to ditching the Roku since I only use it for Amazon vod.

Thanks,

Scott
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Took me a week to read all these posts. Have a zt60 coming from pauls. I bought a 3 year warranty for 170. How is pauls warranty? I wasnt aware i could purchase one from costco. Will the one i bought cover just about anything such as a single dead pixel? Or should i get the costco one? If so how do i go about doing that. Also dnice settings at his forum are not displayed and are encoded to some xml file for a accucal program, how do i read these settings so i can manually plug them i to my tv with the remote?
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Originally Posted by Axxion View Post

Also dnice settings at his forum are not displayed and are encoded to some xml file for a accucal program, how do i read these settings so i can manually plug them i to my tv with the remote?

After downloading and extracting the files I double clicked on the XML file and it opened in an Internet Explorer window for me. You will see the setting values listed. Some of them aren't in any particular order so you'll have to jump around your settings menu a bit.
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^Same, that file type is also associated with IE on my system. Any text viewer/editor should read them as well.
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

You've been vacillating since May. biggrin.gif

Yes, LOL And let you on a little secret. I have a ST60 that as some posters has said is almost equal to the ZT for a fractions of the cost. Blacks are def not as good, but I have yet to find a BR movie that I could tell the difference in actual viewing with my usual bias backlighting. If I look at completely dark screen, the ST does seem almost twice as bright as the VT, as some of the reviews MLL reading have indicated. And sometimes the black bars might seem better, but really very impressive set and see why CNET gave it 5 stars and reference quality. It just might be good enough to wait for OLED and use my ZT funds for it.

However, I can not yet get the colors even using Dnice's ST 60 setting to quite match the ZT using his ZT settings. The ST is just too blue. And I tried all the other ones out there and the same off colors. Darn.... Sure it can be calibrated, but hate to spend 1/3 of the cost of the TV to get good acceptable colors. One ST bonus is no fan noise. My ZT is Oct, but can still hear fans. And for the same brightness, the ST runs around 5 degree coole( and it has no fans. It is pretty oblivious the ZT dark filter requires it to be driven harder for the same brightness.


So yes, BB count down clock is still running and I have awhile longer to vacillate. LOL, but not much longer. As we all know, this is it for Panasonic. Either get one or forget it. Or place your bets on Samsung.
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the st60 that i once had (now returned) had horrible juddering issues. it was enough to give you a headache.

there was no balance between motion smoother weak and turned off. if set to weak your picture had soap opera effect, if set to off the picture looked like it was filmed with a 90's handy-cam.
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Originally Posted by ab2ab View Post


With respect to buzzing, the F8500 is the quietest, extremely faint (go figure...), with the Panasonics being ever so slightly more audible. In either case, buzzing is not even worth mentioning with the units I have in-home. Oh, and I had an ST60 for a couple of weeks too; it did not exhibit noticeable buzzing either. By the way, since I had the top four 2013 plasma models in my home, I can tell you that if you are in the market for a 2013 model, have budget constraints and will be mostly watching 1080p content, get the ST60 and don't look back. Yes, the others are better, but the performance improvement (non-calibrated) is difficult to quantify in price.
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Has anyone had their ZT calibrated by Jeff Meier at AccuCal? He's doing mine in 2 weeks and I can't be more excited. Just wanted to know how big of a difference it made or what anyone's impressions of his work were. Thanks
You can use the link in the signature area at the bottom of my post to read AVS owner's reports about Jeff's work. His screen name is UMR and you will find the most reports in the Panasonic and Pioneer Kuro lists under UMR. Look in post number two for flat panel displays.

I've never counted, but he may have more reports posted than anyone else. It's either UMR or D-Nice. All of his plasma reports are relevant for what you are looking for.

Enjoy your reading. smile.gif
Edited by htwaits - 11/21/13 at 1:26am
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Originally Posted by weds31 View Post

Has anyone had their ZT calibrated by Jeff Meier at AccuCal? He's doing mine in 2 weeks and I can't be more excited. Just wanted to know how big of a difference it made or what anyone's impressions of his work were. Thanks

Jeff Meier has calibrated my JVC projector, my 50" Pioneer and the sound system in my home theater. His work is fantastic and I will be requesting him to come over in the Spring (I've noticed that he does not visit the North East USA during the winter months!) and calibrate the new ZT65 that should be arriving next week. He does a fabulous job and I cannot recommend him highly enough. Don't have any hesitations in asking him to come over and calibrate your TV.

Cal68
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Just joined the club. Well like 2 days ago. Been running the slides since i got it. No issues with the TV yet; the TV is super quiet and runs cooler. Even quieter/cooler than my VT25. PQ and aesthetics is way better too. My build date is October 2013.
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Originally Posted by konoyaro View Post

Second unit sent by Paul's came today - visibly cracked screen - didn't even need to turn it on this time to see that it was damaged mad.gif
I noticed that the back of the display stated June build date FWIW. I'd previously been assured that "we only have fresh units in stock"...

Called Paul's and asked them to refund. They offered a third unit at a slightly reduced price but I declined.
Sorry about that. My first unit from Paul's was cracked as well. The second set was not damaged, but it's a June build. I too recall them saying they only have fresh units in stock. mad.gif
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So...I'm having my new set serviced on Monday for buzzing and the fan noise. I know there's supposed to be a 'fix' for the fan noise, but has anyone had Panasonic service the buzzing? I'm concerned that the service guy will evaluate the TV and simply say that's normal. I can hear buzzing from 10 feet away on scenes where the volume is lower. I'm not talking about putting my ear to the back of the TV set and the volume on mute. This is regular TV watching. How would they fix a buzzing issue?
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