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Got a question related to sharpness. I noticed that both cnet and dnice have it set to zero, however, sound and vision and the pre-programmed THX Cinema setting have it at 50. Any reason for the large discrepancy?
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Originally Posted by JimRoberts View Post

I mean, on the controlcal forum there is a link to controlcal 1.5, but none that I can find for 2.0.8 as required by d'nice. What am I missing?

Hi Jim, I just replied to your email, we can continue there.
post #4624 of 11453
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I feel the Oppo is a nice product but if the audio connections are not need, why not save the cash. A Blu Ray is a Blu Ray at the end of the day, and I think a $100 player is just as good when playing Blu Ray.
Fair points. I'm a big fan of its audio capabilities. It can play lossless multichannel audio files, not to mention DVD-A/SACD. An added bonus, however, is the native media format support. Streaming mkvs from my laptop using SMB is an unparallelled joy. I don't think there's a similar all-in-one product like this on the market. Add the industry-leading 2-year warranty and the resell value, it's a fantastic machine. Yea, if you just want to play Blu-rays and do the Netflix thing, there are more affordable options.
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

Got a question related to sharpness. I noticed that both cnet and dnice have it set to zero, however, sound and vision and the pre-programmed THX Cinema setting have it at 50. Any reason for the large discrepancy?
I wondered the exact same thing.
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I wondered the exact same thing.

Sharpness control on plasma does not do much of anything. I think they still include it because the general population would probably freak out if they had no way to adjust it. The bottom line is just turn it down to 0 and forget about it.
post #4627 of 11453
Hey guys I have a question. I just received my zt60 today and I was wondering what is the best setting for video games. Any input would be great. Thanks!! Clayton
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Hello Everyone,

 

I couldnt wait any longer, after Panasonic announced production ending in December I went ahead and picked up a ZT60. TV got delivered today and it is simply amazing. I couldnt be any happier.

 

However, after the delivery I started a more detailed account of the TV's condition. I found a slight defect in one of the corners of the stand. It looks as though something had pressed on the very corner of the stand.I know this didnt happen during the installation because I watched the two guys like a hawk. It doesn't bother me since the TV is the important bit but it shouldnt be like this. Has anyone ever seen something like this before?

 

Thanks.

 

http://s495.photobucket.com/user/saml01/media/Internet/2013-12-01001711_zpsf0981d5a.jpg.html

 

http://s495.photobucket.com/user/saml01/media/Internet/2013-12-01001635_zpsb15357cd.jpg.html


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post #4631 of 11453
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

$600. I'm in no rush, as I already have the 103, and I would rather not add another device (I prefer to keep it as simple as possible).
I feel the Oppo is a nice product but if the audio connections are not need, why not save the cash. A Blu Ray is a Blu Ray at the end of the day, and I think a $100 player is just as good when playing Blu Ray.
The common advise in OPPO player threads is that if you do only Blu-ray and HDMI bit stream audio, then there is no significant reason to buy the OPPO. As soon as someone ventures from that simple scenario then the choice starts to get more complicated.
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Originally Posted by Gov View Post

Sharpness control on plasma does not do much of anything. I think they still include it because the general population would probably freak out if they had no way to adjust it. The bottom line is just turn it down to 0 and forget about it.

Interesting...never knew that. Thanks for the response!
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So I'm about 130 hours into the break in slides (mixing in some full screen content now and then) and am curious - is there any recommended power cycling interval I should be cognizant of? Like, is it wise to let the TV sit off for a bit at this point before continuing or
does it really make no difference? Thanks for the advice.
post #4634 of 11453
It really makes no difference. Just consider it an extended early stress test.
post #4635 of 11453
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Originally Posted by JimRoberts View Post

I mean, on the controlcal forum there is a link to controlcal 1.5, but none that I can find for 2.0.8 as required by d'nice. What am I missing?

Hi Jim, I just replied to your email, we can continue there.

I am also planning to use D-Nice slides on my ZT replacement. Can you send me the same info? I will be forever grateful smile.gif
post #4636 of 11453
Think that is a mistake! Look @ CNET - VT and sharpness is "50" - sent them an e-mail but never heard back!
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Originally Posted by bob brennan View Post

Think that is a mistake! Look @ CNET - VT and sharpness is "50" - sent them an e-mail but never heard back!
Interesting
post #4638 of 11453

Got the 65" ZT60 on the wall yesterday... using the Sanus VLL5-1B mount.     First Impressions:

 

Sanus VLL-1B low-profile flat wall mount:

      I wanted a very low profile, flat wall mount, that would take the weight of the 65" plasma  (41 Kg).  cost no object.

      Found this at Best Buy (who can wait for the overweb with a new plasma lying face down on the carpet??) for ~ $105 (tax).

      Installation was simple, but there is a problem with the design of the Sanus:  there is not a smidgen of leeway for adjusting the position of the tv left or right !

      The horizontal bracket upon which the TV mounts is just barely wide enough to accommodate the vertical brackets that bolt to the TV... so you can't slide the TV left or right

       on the horizontal bracket.  You might think that you can just slide the horizontal bracket left or right on the slotted holes for the lag bolts that go into the studs... but the design

       of the slotted holes is such that there is no overlap, so that if your wall studs are just so, you might end up with a "no man's land" where you can not move the TV laterally to get

      it centered on your wall ... without drilling new holes in the horizontal bracket ... big holes ... through the steel.  Not fun.

      You might ask,  " Why are you so fussy about a few centimeters left or right ?"    Well,  I have Martin Logan in-wall speakers on each side of the plasma -- and they can not be moved.

      So if you want the TV to be centered between the in-wall speakers, you need to be able to tweak the horizontal position of the plasma .... Just so you know -- this Sanus wall mount

       horizontal bracket is not long enough for this task, and the slotted lag bolt holes are symmetrical top and bottom, so there is no overlap for "tweeking" the hoizontal position.  

       This may not affect you,  I have fixed position in-wall speakers, and the wall studs were positioned just so -- may be unique to me .... but ..... Buyer Beware ! 

 

       Also,  I did not use the spacers provided, because I wanted a very low profile.  The end result is my ZT60 is only  7 cm  from the wall to the front of the glass panel !!!!

 

       The bad news is I can not take advantage of the "kick stands", that hold the bottom edge of the TV out so you can access the back of the TV input ports -- a brilliant feature!

       My mount is too close to the wall, and the TV too large, to take advantage of this.  I had to make my connections before mounting the TV -- awkward, as the power cord is way too short

       (I put a small hole in the wall between the studs behind the TV, so I could snake all my wires down to the floor behind my Salamander electronics cabinet.... I should post a photo of my set-up ...     ...... how do I do that???)

     

         Conclusion:    I highly recommend the Sanus VLL5-1B  low-profile wall mount.   It has all the hardware you could possibly need -- including the correct bolts for the back of the TV  (M8 -20)

                              and the lag bolts  (they were so long I used shorter ones I got from Sears Hardware) for the wall studs.  It has a locking mechanism  (although the catch release cords                                are way too long), and a "kick stand" to hold the bottom edge of the TV away from the wall to allow access to the TV connections ports.  Simply built and well - made.

 

Panasonic TC-P65ZT60:

 

        I'm only a few hours in, and I have not researched the settings, and have no patience for the tutorial, so this is an "out of the box" review.  My reference is the Panasonic professional plasma

        monitor:  TH-50PH10UKA.   That is the only variable -- all sources, cables, and room / wall position are the same.  The "old" plasma is 720p and 50", (but is a pro model monitor).   I also have

        a Samsung 8000 series LED, but it's in another room.

 

        First thing:    I think I went too big ...   If your previous screen is 50",  maybe you should go with the 60"  ZT60.   This thing really dominates the room.   I know, when you see the 65" in the 

       store it looks fine -- but consider that the store showroom is huge, and it's next to the 75" screens ....  might want to cut a piece of cardboard to the dimensions of your proposed screen and  

       tack that to the wall.   If you have a dedicated TV room -- go big, but if you are using the family room -- wow -- it's really big !  I have it mounted on the long wall of a 15' x 21' room.  The bottom 

       edge of the TV is 3' from the floor.  The ceiling is 8'.   The source is Oppo BDP-83 or FiOS.  The audio is Martin Logan Voyage L & R, Boston Acoustic VR-920 center, Martin Logan Helos 12

        (ceiling mount), and Velodyne 18" sub.  Yes, good quality audio makes the video look better.  (and good quality video makes the audio completely un-noticable!)

 

        Second thing:    The picture sucks.   It's so dark and dull you can barely see any detail at all.  And the quality -- is like a very bad VHS tape ... like a tape that is a copy of a copy.

        All day Friday I looked at the ads  for 60" tvs on sale for a few hundred bucks... who in their right mind pays $3000 for a tv with the worst picture I ever saw ????

        So I looked at my source -- FiOS .... it was a TV show my kid likes -- just what happened to be the station when I turned the FiOS on .  Using the ZT60 menu I saw tha the source was 480p.

 

        So here's the thing:    if you have a crappy source, your new state-of-the-art TV will EMPHASIZE ALL THE BAD .     What was "not great" on your 50" becomes  "unwatchable" on the 65".

        My 50"  720p  Panasonic plasma did a fine job of rendering 480p.  I barely noticed the difference. (You definitely notice how good Blue Ray is however).

 

        So I switched to a 1080i source (the best you can get with FiOS), and it was not nearly as good as the 50" Panny .... too dark, to undefined, and not great on detail.  The blacks were 

        "crushed" -- if by that we mean anywhere there was darkness on the image there was no detail at all -- just black.... and not in a nice way.   The old 50" Panny was much much better.

 

        So I went into the menu to adjust the picture -- switched to the THX mode.   Some improvement, but still way disappointing.

 

        Now mind you -- I have not even begun to research the set-up configurations, nor have I loaded a Blue Ray disk in the Oppo -- I'm about to do that....

 

............  just sayin'    :       out of the box --- you need to do your homework....   this is not a  "plug-n-play"  TV.        I guess we knew that, else why are we here?

post #4639 of 11453
These sets benefit the most when it comes to competent gamma and grayscale calibrations. This will dial up both the brightness and the shadow detail. Second, I also upgraded from a 50" Pioneer Elite. The ZT60 is slightly dimmer, yes, but nothing I've been unable to adjust to. Third, I've had the set for 6 months, set up in a great room (wide open ranch-type layout) and typically sit 10 feet away from it. I wouldn't complain if my set suddenly grew 5 or even 10 inches.
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I have had pretty much the opposite experience that realpetew has described. I have been running dnice slides since yesterday when the TV arrived but I just had to test a little bit of actual content. Watched some 720P Comcast and it looked amazing. Then I fired up Skyfall on Blu-Ray with THX Cinema and OMG, this is probably the best image quality that I have ever seen.

Now its back to running slides for about 75 more hours.
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

there are more affordable options.
That, again, is just not the AVS way wink.gif Better is better, who am I trying to kid smile.gif
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It really makes no difference. Just consider it an extended early stress test.

Interesting. So those that do the slides for an extended 200-300 hours do it non-stop the whole time without power off breaks?
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

Interesting. So those that do the slides for 200-300 hoes do it non-stop the whole time without power off breaks?
I can't speak for everyone, but this is basically what I did.
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I am noticing some pixelation ( do not know the term) with sources like AMC. I see the pixels sort of flashing during scenes where there are movement. With better sources, it is not there. I never noticed this on my Kuro and wonder if anybody has any suggestions on how to reduce this effect. I already have a Monster line conditioner, but when I bypass this it does little to help.
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Originally Posted by realpetew

Got the 65" ZT60 on the wall yesterday... First thing: I think I went too big ...

Our 60GT50 recently suffered accidental damage and was not repairable. Figured I'd use the early demise of the GT50 as an opportunity/excuse to get a bump in both quality and and size and ordered the 65ZT60. It helped a lot that the prices on the ZT60s took a big dive in past month.

At first I was concerned that 65" was too large, and was thinking about going back to 60". Our seating area is about 9' from the set. I think it's partly that the ZT stand has a higher profile than last year's GT models. My spouse wasn't aware that I'd ordered the larger screen and when I asked her opinion she said she didn't notice the difference. After watching a few movies on the larger screen, I do find the bigger screen area enticing, though I still find the screen a bit overwhelming when it's not on, but overall there's not much to complain about.

I tried to stream an Amazon film on the ZT60 for the first time last night and found I couldn't control the picture settings while viewing on the ZT's Amazon app. We ended up watching the movie from the on-demand feature on the cable box. I don't think the picture quality was as good as the Amazon HD stream, but at least I could adjust the settings. Has anyone else had this problem using internet content on the ZT60? I don't recall having this issue on the GT50.
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Originally Posted by Newenglander View Post

I am noticing some pixelation ( do not know the term) with sources like AMC. I see the pixels sort of flashing during scenes where there are movement. With better sources, it is not there. I never noticed this on my Kuro and wonder if anybody has any suggestions on how to reduce this effect. I already have a Monster line conditioner, but when I bypass this it does little to help.

I had this issue a few years ago. There was pixelation on just a few cable stations, but some of these were unwatchable. It turned out to be an issue with our cable service. They were able to fix it on their end.
post #4648 of 11453
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I wouldn't complain if my set suddenly grew 5 or even 10 inches.

EXACTLY what I was thinking. And my 65" is 9" bigger than my previous TV.
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Originally Posted by Newenglander View Post

I am noticing some pixelation ( do not know the term) with sources like AMC. I see the pixels sort of flashing during scenes where there are movement. With better sources, it is not there. I never noticed this on my Kuro and wonder if anybody has any suggestions on how to reduce this effect. I already have a Monster line conditioner, but when I bypass this it does little to help.

Yeah, it is hard to tell from your description what the problem is.

Since you mentioned it happens during motion, it is most likely macro-blocking, where things look momentarily blocky or pixelated, like when you zoom in too much on an image. This happens during motion or scenes with flashing lights, and is caused by your friendly neighborhood cable company compressing the hell out of the signal so they can make more money at the expense of everyones' picture quality. There is no fix except to watch things from blu-ray or stream from netlfix/amazon/etc when there is the option.

Or it could be low signal strength/quality. This can cause your picture to break up occasionally and looks a lot more severe than macro-blocking. Your cable company may be able to fix this, or you could try an amp. I had this problem and bought an amp from Radio Shack for like $15.

Or you could be talking about dithering. This is how plasmas achieve dark gradations in color, by flashing individual pixels between light levels. Some people who sit real close or have great vision sometimes complain about this. I can't see it unless I get within a few feet of the screen. There is not fix, except to sit farther away.
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I have similar experiences with AMC and a few other channels. In my case it's the cable company over compressing the signal. I found this out after calling them several times over the last couple of years - seems each time they add more HD channels this happens with some existing channel or other. At one point it happened to local broadcast stations. I switched to OTA signals and everything was sharp and detailed, back on cable the same station was crap. Around here they seem to eventually tweek things and get it right. AMC always seems affected though, which sucks.
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