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Originally Posted by sooke View Post

Yeah, it is hard to tell from your description what the problem is.

Since you mentioned it happens during motion, it is most likely macro-blocking, where things look momentarily blocky or pixelated, like when you zoom in too much on an image. This happens during motion or scenes with flashing lights, and is caused by your friendly neighborhood cable company compressing the hell out of the signal so they can make more money at the expense of everyones' picture quality. There is no fix except to watch things from blu-ray or stream from netlfix/amazon/etc when there is the option.

Or it could be low signal strength/quality. This can cause your picture to break up occasionally and looks a lot more severe than macro-blocking. Your cable company may be able to fix this, or you could try an amp. I had this problem and bought an amp from Radio Shack for like $15.

Or you could be talking about dithering. This is how plasmas achieve dark gradations in color, by flashing individual pixels between light levels. Some people who sit real close or have great vision sometimes complain about this. I can't see it unless I get within a few feet of the screen. There is not fix, except to sit farther away.

Thanks for the help. I think it is macro-blocking. I did not notice it as much with my Kuro. The Panny seems to be more sensitive to source material. I had an older Panny plasma (do not remember the model) and I remember the PQ was also dependent on the source. My wife watches HGTV and that actually looks much better than with the Kuro. The colors really pop out. I was going to try the Sammy, but my wife really likes this set just to watch shows on that network! So, looks like I will be keeping this panel and just trying to get as much help as possible to maximize the PQ.
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Thank you for the help!!
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So I received my panel yesterday and the first thing I hear is buzzing on my home screen. We were sitting about 13 feet away and I could clearly hear the buzz. I know it is not the fan because I can hear it change frequency going from brighter to darker scenes and vise versa. I don't believe this to be normal. Even with the sound off I shouldn't hear it from 13 feet away. It looks like my model was manufactured in October . I went back to Best Buy today and am schedule to exchange my model on December 27th. I went into the store and the sales guy I was working with suggested breaking in the tv to see if the buzzing eventually fades. Or I might have a bad set. Does anyone have a suggestion or opinion? Any help would be very much appreciated.

Thanks,
Clayton
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Why are faces so green on cable content on thx modes. Yuck. Its the only mode worth watching for movies, tried cnet, sammie, and sound and vision. Luckily i have jeff meier coming in jan.
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For those of you who think your new 65" flat screen is too big... you are not thinking this through.
It's... your walls are too small smile.gif

Really.. the number one complaint after someone purchases a new flat screen is " I should have bought the bigger one"

Enjoy your screen.. in a week or two you won't believe you ever watched anything else smaller.
post #4656 of 11454
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Originally Posted by Axxion View Post

Why are faces so green on cable content on thx modes. Yuck. Its the only mode worth watching for movies, tried cnet, sammie, and sound and vision. Luckily i have jeff meier coming in jan.
I have the same issue (green skin tones in THX), and it's due to natural variations in manufacturing. I'll eventually get a calibration myself.
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Originally Posted by WingFat View Post

For those of you who think your new 65" flat screen is too big... you are not thinking this through.
It's... your walls are too small smile.gif

Really.. the number one complaint after someone purchases a new flat screen is " I should have bought the bigger one"

Enjoy your screen.. in a week or two you won't believe you ever watched anything else smaller.

Couldn't agree more enjoy!!!
post #4658 of 11454
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I wouldn't complain if my set suddenly grew 5 or even 10 inches.

EXACTLY what I was thinking. And my 65" is 9" bigger than my previous TV.

I went from 34 inch CRT to 65 inch ZT. I sit 6 feet away, and I do not think that the screen is too big. I was concerned about going too big with ZT. My original plan was to get 50 inch screen. I read that most HDTV buyers regret not going bigger, so I reluctantly decided to try out 65 inch first. I am so happy that I did. The screen size is perfect for me biggrin.gif
post #4659 of 11454
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Originally Posted by SwiftSweeper View Post

I went from 34 inch CRT to 65 inch ZT. I sit 6 feet away, and I do not think that the screen is too big. I was concerned about going too big with ZT. My original plan was to get 50 inch screen. I read that most HDTV buyers regret not going bigger, so I reluctantly decided to try out 65 inch first. I am so happy that I did. The screen size is perfect for me biggrin.gif

I've got a 36 inch Panasonic CRT and I'm debating weather to get a 60 inch ZT60 (not available as 65 inch here) for $4900 or a 65 inch VT60 for $4100. Image quality vs size & price... confused.gif
I cut out the two sizes in cardboard and placed over my current TV. The 60 inch looked big but the 65 inch was truly massive from the 10ft where my sofa is.

Really tearing my hair out trying to decide which to get but I'm gonna hold out until the after-christmas sales start to see if there will be some good deals on these.
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Originally Posted by Hamilton_1974 View Post

I've got a 36 inch Panasonic CRT and I'm debating weather to get a 60 inch ZT60 (not available as 65 inch here) for $4900 or a 65 inch VT60 for $4100. Image quality vs size & price... confused.gif
I cut out the two sizes in cardboard and placed over my current TV. The 60 inch looked big but the 65 inch was truly massive from the 10ft where my sofa is.

Really tearing my hair out trying to decide which to get but I'm gonna hold out until the after-christmas sales start to see if there will be some good deals on these.

I've found that cardboard cutouts appear larger than actual TV screens of equal dimension. Just sayin'...

Seriously, 65" at 10' is not really massive. My 65" ZT replaced a 58" V10. At first the new set seemed borderline humongous, I thought I'd have to rearrange the furniture to move the seating back further, but after a couple of days not so much. I've never heard anyone complain that they wished they'd bought a smaller set...
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I had a 60" set for a number of years, sit about 12 ft from it. 65" is negligibly bigger than 60", but just enough to notice a difference (and yes, my new set had to be bigger than 60" as I could often tell that 60" just was not enough). Maybe I'll move the couch closer some day, but otherwise I'm more concerned about the audio in my more or less untreated room, sounds pretty decent right now given what Audyssey has to deal with.

Would get a projector if I had the environment for it (or the cash to create one). Someday maybe.
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Originally Posted by Hamilton_1974 View Post

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Originally Posted by SwiftSweeper View Post

I went from 34 inch CRT to 65 inch ZT. I sit 6 feet away, and I do not think that the screen is too big. I was concerned about going too big with ZT. My original plan was to get 50 inch screen. I read that most HDTV buyers regret not going bigger, so I reluctantly decided to try out 65 inch first. I am so happy that I did. The screen size is perfect for me biggrin.gif

I've got a 36 inch Panasonic CRT and I'm debating weather to get a 60 inch ZT60 (not available as 65 inch here) for $4900 or a 65 inch VT60 for $4100. Image quality vs size & price... confused.gif
I cut out the two sizes in cardboard and placed over my current TV. The 60 inch looked big but the 65 inch was truly massive from the 10ft where my sofa is.

Really tearing my hair out trying to decide which to get but I'm gonna hold out until the after-christmas sales start to see if there will be some good deals on these.

Personally, I would not wait too long. The stock might get low and the prices might go up. You might also have problems with finding a replacement if your ZT have issues.

At 10ft, 65 inches is definitely not too big. My ZT only felt big a first few days. After 3 weeks owning the set, it does not feel big to me anymore.
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Originally Posted by Axxion View Post

Why are faces so green on cable content on thx modes. Yuck. Its the only mode worth watching for movies, tried cnet, sammie, and sound and vision. Luckily i have jeff meier coming in jan.

I had the same problem on my ZT60 65. None of the settings could get rid of the overall green cast. Very disappointing and eventually you just can't stand the picture. I sent it back, since not willing to spend another $400-$500 to get a topflight calibration to get rid of what should have been acceptable of the box THX Cinema. Interesting the ST60 60 dialed right in with Dnice's settings, but it too was very green on default cinema.
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^What are you going to do next? eek.gif Stick with the ST60? Try a VT60? I luckily didn't see the same green tint with any of the other settings (Cnet, Sammie, S&V, D-Nice).
Edited by vinnie97 - 12/2/13 at 3:09pm
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I took delivery of my ZT60 65 today. Ordered through Amazon when they price matched Paul's. No delivery issues other than the TV had been in a warehouse all weekend and was very cold when it was delivered. So I had to wait several hours for it to warm up to room temperature before turning it on.

I now have it on HBO and will let it run almost continuously until it's sufficiently broken in. I have D-Nice scheduled to calibrate it late next week.

I'm not having it mounted until next Monday since my primary AV guy wasn't available until then. At the same time I'm having some re-wiring done to the setup in my basement, which is where this TV will be. I have an equipment room separate from the main room where my TV is. When everything was installed in 2006, the AV company ran component cables only from the equipment room to the TV area. Since my previous TV was 720p only, it wasn't an issue. Now, of course, I need HDMI.

So, right now, I only have component cables available to use, and the picture isn't the best. I'm not sure if it's related to the cables or not, but skin tones aren't displaying quite right. They look too light and seem to even change colors at times. I have it set on Cinema mode.

I'll wait until I get everything done before really judging thing, though. The TV itself is gorgeous and I can't wait to get everything in place next week. I'll post some pics once I do.
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Originally Posted by UniversalGC View Post

I took delivery of my ZT60 65 today. Ordered through Amazon when they price matched Paul's. No delivery issues other than the TV had been in a warehouse all weekend and was very cold when it was delivered. So I had to wait several hours for it to warm up to room temperature before turning it on.

I now have it on HBO and will let it run almost continuously until it's sufficiently broken in. I have D-Nice scheduled to calibrate it late next week.

I'm not having it mounted until next Monday since my primary AV guy wasn't available until then. At the same time I'm having some re-wiring done to the setup in my basement, which is where this TV will be. I have an equipment room separate from the main room where my TV is. When everything was installed in 2006, the AV company ran component cables only from the equipment room to the TV area. Since my previous TV was 720p only, it wasn't an issue. Now, of course, I need HDMI.

So, right now, I only have component cables available to use, and the picture isn't the best. I'm not sure if it's related to the cables or not, but skin tones aren't displaying quite right. They look too light and seem to even change colors at times. I have it set on Cinema mode.

I'll wait until I get everything done before really judging thing, though. The TV itself is gorgeous and I can't wait to get everything in place next week. I'll post some pics once I do.


Can you tell me your build date on the back of your TV? I ordered mine today from Amazon and hoping to get a recent build.
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Originally Posted by ant12179 View Post

Can you tell me your build date on the back of your TV? I ordered mine today from Amazon and hoping to get a recent build.

July. I haven't heard the fan at all though.
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Can you tell me your build date on the back of your TV? I ordered mine today from Amazon and hoping to get a recent build.
I got mine from Amazon 1 1/2 months ago, and it was also July, so chances are good you'll get July also. On the plus side, although the fan noise is noticeable when sound is off, I have rarely noticed it while watching movies (unless I remember to be listening for it). I have never heard buzzing while watching something either (only with sound off on bright screens). Enjoy your TV!
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Also ordered from Amazon a few weeks ago - got a July build
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OK. I have a 2009 Samsung PN50B850 @58 inches. There's noThing really wrong with it -just a little bit of burn in from the ESPN ticker. The 65 inch ZT60 is priced to go and I've always wanted a Panny and they won't last long. Is anyone familiar with my Samsung? Will I see a noticeably better picture with the ZT? Will the difference between 58 and 65 inches be significant (I sit 10 feet away)? Thanks.
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I haven't posted anything about my new 65zt60 but wanted to say that I don't think a picture could get much better. I came from an sxrd which I really liked even with the soft picture and issues with the dreaded green blob. The rich colors are what really makes me marvel at the picture every time. I had never owned a plasma and reading these forums will work you up about IR, fan noise, buzzing, green tint, reflections etc.etc. Glad I followed my eyes and picked the ZT.
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Originally Posted by magic8796 View Post

OK. I have a 2009 Samsung PN50B850 @58 inches. There's noThing really wrong with it -just a little bit of burn in from the ESPN ticker. The 65 inch ZT60 is priced to go and I've always wanted a Panny and they won't last long. Is anyone familiar with my Samsung? Will I see a noticeably better picture with the ZT? Will the difference between 58 and 65 inches be significant (I sit 10 feet away)? Thanks.

The ZT will be significantly better imo in many ways.
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TC-P65ZT60 at BB right now (online) at $2899.

 

That is all.

 

​Edit: $2900 on Amazon


Edited by hdtvbuckeye - 12/2/13 at 7:08pm
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you can't modify a regular player to region free.

with my 103 i can play anything. that includes blu-ray imports from europe that can't be found in the u.s.
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I feel the Oppo is a nice product but if the audio connections are not need, why not save the cash. A Blu Ray is a Blu Ray at the end of the day, and I think a $100 player is just as good when playing Blu Ray.
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I ordered a ZT60 (65") from Paul's on Friday using the discount holiday code. I currently own a 58" Panny (TH-58PZ700U). To be honest, I have never really thought the picture was great. Seems like there was some issue with the anti-glare treatment. Its hard to describe, but the picture never seemed quite right. I could see some type of design in the glass when viewing at certain angles. Anyway, that one replaced a 2005 Panny Plasma (720P) which had a great picture (and still does)

I am real excited to be getting this new TV. Was on a fence about 65" but went for it, even though I think 60" would have been fine. Any thought's on the need for a warranty. The square trade warranty seems reasonably priced, but I am not sure about it.

I have been working my way through this thread...only about a third of the way through. Lots of good stuff.
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best buy is a literal pain in the ass to buy, return and exchange from.

do so many times and they will add you to the retail equation and ban your a$$ from returning or exchanging anything ever again...

the retain equation
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Originally Posted by Fete26 View Post

So I received my panel yesterday and the first thing I hear is buzzing on my home screen. We were sitting about 13 feet away and I could clearly hear the buzz. I know it is not the fan because I can hear it change frequency going from brighter to darker scenes and vise versa. I don't believe this to be normal. Even with the sound off I shouldn't hear it from 13 feet away. It looks like my model was manufactured in October . I went back to Best Buy today and am schedule to exchange my model on December 27th. I went into the store and the sales guy I was working with suggested breaking in the tv to see if the buzzing eventually fades. Or I might have a bad set. Does anyone have a suggestion or opinion? Any help would be very much appreciated.

Thanks,
Clayton
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carefully and i mean carefully inspect the TV upon delivery. another guy on here had a zt60 arrive heavily damaged from paul's tv.
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Originally Posted by cidsou View Post

I ordered a ZT60 (65") from Paul's on Friday using the discount holiday code. I currently own a 58" Panny (TH-58PZ700U). To be honest, I have never really thought the picture was great. Seems like there was some issue with the anti-glare treatment. Its hard to describe, but the picture never seemed quite right. I could see some type of design in the glass when viewing at certain angles. Anyway, that one replaced a 2005 Panny Plasma (720P) which had a great picture (and still does)

I am real excited to be getting this new TV. Was on a fence about 65" but went for it, even though I think 60" would have been fine. Any thought's on the need for a warranty. The square trade warranty seems reasonably priced, but I am not sure about it.

I have been working my way through this thread...only about a third of the way through. Lots of good stuff.
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Originally Posted by Falcon64v View Post

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Originally Posted by Hamilton_1974 View Post

I've got a 36 inch Panasonic CRT and I'm debating weather to get a 60 inch ZT60 (not available as 65 inch here) for $4900 or a 65 inch VT60 for $4100. Image quality vs size & price... confused.gif
I cut out the two sizes in cardboard and placed over my current TV. The 60 inch looked big but the 65 inch was truly massive from the 10ft where my sofa is.

Really tearing my hair out trying to decide which to get but I'm gonna hold out until the after-christmas sales start to see if there will be some good deals on these.

I've found that cardboard cutouts appear larger than actual TV screens of equal dimension. Just sayin'...

Seriously, 65" at 10' is not really massive. My 65" ZT replaced a 58" V10. At first the new set seemed borderline humongous, I thought I'd have to rearrange the furniture to move the seating back further, but after a couple of days not so much. I've never heard anyone complain that they wished they'd bought a smaller set...

The 65" ZT is physically only a little larger than the 58" V10, that was my upgrade path as well. Take the bezel away from the 58V10, make it about 2" thinner, and 20lbs lighter. I watch at about 11ft.

I love my 65ZT60, it kicks.
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Originally Posted by rare-air View Post

I haven't posted anything about my new 65zt60 but wanted to say that I don't think a picture could get much better. I came from an sxrd which I really liked even with the soft picture and issues with the dreaded green blob. The rich colors are what really makes me marvel at the picture every time. I had never owned a plasma and reading these forums will work you up about IR, fan noise, buzzing, green tint, reflections etc.etc. Glad I followed my eyes and picked the ZT.

Word up.
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Originally Posted by magic8796 View Post

OK. I have a 2009 Samsung PN50B850 @58 inches. There's noThing really wrong with it -just a little bit of burn in from the ESPN ticker. The 65 inch ZT60 is priced to go and I've always wanted a Panny and they won't last long. Is anyone familiar with my Samsung? Will I see a noticeably better picture with the ZT? Will the difference between 58 and 65 inches be significant (I sit 10 feet away)? Thanks.
I came from a PN50A550 which is one year and a few bells a whistles different than yours. The ZT is much, much, much better. It is so choice. If you have the means I highly recommend picking one up.
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Originally Posted by WingFat View Post

For those of you who think your new 65" flat screen is too big... you are not thinking this through.
It's... your walls are too small smile.gif
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Will be a sweet day when a flat 90" OLED at 50 pounds is $3000 wink.gif
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