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post #4831 of 11387
Finally got my new ZT mounted. Seems like it's been a month even though it's only been a week since it was delivered. D-Nice is coming on Thursday to calibrate it, so I'm looking forward to that too.

I also had my new Yamaha 673 receiver installed and I'm loving that too.

Here's a couple of pics I snapped of my setup, which is in the main room of my basement:


post #4832 of 11387
So I have a 50" kuro pioneer elite and just bought a Panasonic ZT60 65". I guess I'm curios how big of a difference I'll see going from my 50" to 65" I really wanted something bigger but after being spoiled with my Kuro didn't want to sacrifice picture quality. Hence the biggest Best plasma I could get 65" ZT60 : )
post #4833 of 11387
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Originally Posted by Airunh23 View Post

So I have a 50" kuro pioneer elite and just bought a Panasonic ZT60 65". I guess I'm curios how big of a difference I'll see going from my 50" to 65" I really wanted something bigger but after being spoiled with my Kuro didn't want to sacrifice picture quality. Hence the biggest Best plasma I could get 65" ZT60 : )

At least as good, if not better picture quality. There will be a very noticeable difference in the size of the screen. You will love it.
post #4834 of 11387
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Originally Posted by UniversalGC View Post

At least as good, if not better picture quality. There will be a very noticeable difference in the size of the screen. You will love it.

Hope your right, I really wanted 75" but just couldn't come down in PQ quality.
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post #4836 of 11387
How much buzzing is normal for a 65ZT60? Mine buzzes loudly on white, green, red, and blue (less) slides. I can here it clearly at my seating distance of 8 feet.

Will the buzzes be less noticeable on normal content where the contrast isn't 100?
post #4837 of 11387
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Originally Posted by Hamilton_1974 View Post

Isn't that a Singapore flag? And the user name Changboy might imply something to do with Singapore's main airport which is called Changi...
Very similar but the flag of Singapore has 5 stars. I think the other poster is right. Its looks like the flag of Turkey.
post #4838 of 11387
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Originally Posted by @TOMMY@ View Post

How much buzzing is normal for a 65ZT60? Mine buzzes loudly on white, green, red, and blue (less) slides. I can here it clearly at my seating distance of 8 feet.

Will the buzzes be less noticeable on normal content where the contrast isn't 100?

Absolutely, the only time I have ever noticed buzzing is during the slides. Maybe if you watched a hockey game with the sound off. Under normal viewing I don't notice the fans or the buzzing.
post #4839 of 11387
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Very similar but the flag of Singapore has 5 stars. I think the other poster is right. Its looks like the flag of Turkey.

Correct. Turkey has a very similar flag except they only have one star with the crescent moon. Singapore has five, in the form of a pentagon, with the crescent moon.
post #4840 of 11387
The Falcon is probably in better hands at Turkey.
post #4841 of 11387
Thanks, actually I was pretty active in the audio forums when I joined, then got away from it for a few years. Not sure if it zeroed my posts because its a different forum area or because they changed the forum software and it zeroed my count. Should I power it up upon delivery to check hours and general condition or should I wait a few hours to let the temperature and humidity acclimate?
post #4842 of 11387
I am not able to see the ZT in person so let me throw this out there:

I have a 3 year old Samsung PN58B860. It was a fairly well reviewed panel when it was new. It has never been calibrated but when I use CNET's settings (optimized for a dark room) or simply the "Movie" mode to watch a BluRay, the picture looks very dark and muted to me. I don't enjoy it at all and usually watch everything in "Standard" mode. I watch regular TV with a little ambient light and usually watch BluRays with no light.

I have 2 questions: Would there be a significant upgrade in the PQ with the ZT (or even the VT)? Considering how I feel about CNET's settings and the "Movie" mode would I be disappointed with the ZT's perceived lack of brightness? Or maybe I should consider the 8500?

And I know that it's all up to what I see with my own eyes but I was just looking for some opinions. Thanks!
post #4843 of 11387
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Originally Posted by rare-air View Post

Absolutely, the only time I have ever noticed buzzing is during the slides. Maybe if you watched a hockey game with the sound off. Under normal viewing I don't notice the fans or the buzzing.

Thanks, will watch normal content shortly.
post #4844 of 11387
Evening all,

I started playing with my meter last night and had a question regarding others calibration values. Any reason all the posted settings have the contrast set in the 60-70 range? I observed no differencing in white or color clipping for anything on 60 up to 100 so I'm curious why one wouldn't just leave it at 100 considering the output on these displays isn't so bright to cause eye fatigue (more on that later).

Secondly, I am seeing something very strange with the greyscale on Calman if I take the measurements using standard windows, large APL windows or full fields on the AVSHD disk with standard windows looking significantly better (see attached). Is this huge difference in recorded values expected ? These are using D-NICE settings after doing the slides break-in.

Finally, the max light output I am getting for 100% white is only 32fL in THX bright room with a window pattern which also doesn't seem right (saw cnet said it was 44fl ??). Can anyone else here comment what they measure?

Please help!

Thanks

UPDATE: I took some measurements on my old 42'' LG plasma and get a light output of 18fl for a full field 100% white vs 12 on the ZT so does this confirm something is bad with my panel's light output? That could explain the odd measurements I was getting for the greyscale and unexpected contrast behavior. At least I am still in the return window for Amazon...

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Edited by mjodotcom - 12/9/13 at 10:20pm
post #4845 of 11387

Maybe off topic, or extremly topicall, but what are you guys seeing as far as stock levels?  I work for a company (not gonna say which cause I'm not trying to get people to come in and buy) and we seem to be getting dry.  I have no 65ZT60's and only about 12 60ZT60's in my local warehouse.  Are they starting to run out?

post #4846 of 11387
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Originally Posted by shopit View Post

Thanks, actually I was pretty active in the audio forums when I joined, then got away from it for a few years. Not sure if it zeroed my posts because its a different forum area or because they changed the forum software and it zeroed my count. Should I power it up upon delivery to check hours and general condition or should I wait a few hours to let the temperature and humidity acclimate?

Wait as I did. The temperature was in the 20s when my 65ZT60 was delivered. I unpacked it and waited 8 hours before powering it on.
post #4847 of 11387
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

Evening all,

I started playing with my meter last night and had a question regarding others calibration values. Any reason all the posted settings have the contrast set in the 60-70 range? I observed no differencing in white or color clipping for anything on 60 up to 100 so I'm curious why one wouldn't just leave it at 100 considering the output on these displays isn't so bright to cause eye fatigue (more on that later).

Secondly, I am seeing something very strange with the greyscale on Calman if I take the measurements using standard windows, large APL windows or full fields on the AVSHD disk with standard windows looking significantly better (see attached). Is this huge difference in recorded values expected ? These are using D-NICE settings after doing the slides break-in.

Finally, the max light output I am getting for 100% white is only 32fL in THX bright room with a window pattern which also doesn't seem right (saw cnet said it was 44fl ??). Can anyone else here comment what they measure?

Please help!

Thanks

UPDATE: I took some measurements on my old 42'' LG plasma and get a light output of 18fl for a full field 100% white vs 12 on the ZT so does this confirm something is bad with my panel's light output? That could explain the odd measurements I was getting for the greyscale and unexpected contrast behavior. At least I am still in the return window for Amazon...

gammaplotwindows.jpg 194k .jpg file
gammaplotlargeapl.jpg 195k .jpg file
gammaplot.jpg 205k .jpg file

Welcome to the world of the modern day plasma. What you're finding is correct and reflects the ABL behavior.
For plasma calibration, you don't use full field patterns. You use the window patterns.
post #4848 of 11387
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Originally Posted by magic8796 View Post

I am not able to see the ZT in person so let me throw this out there:

I have a 3 year old Samsung PN58B860. It was a fairly well reviewed panel when it was new. It has never been calibrated but when I use CNET's settings (optimized for a dark room) or simply the "Movie" mode to watch a BluRay, the picture looks very dark and muted to me. I don't enjoy it at all and usually watch everything in "Standard" mode. I watch regular TV with a little ambient light and usually watch BluRays with no light.

I have 2 questions: Would there be a significant upgrade in the PQ with the ZT (or even the VT)? Considering how I feel about CNET's settings and the "Movie" mode would I be disappointed with the ZT's perceived lack of brightness? Or maybe I should consider the 8500?

And I know that it's all up to what I see with my own eyes but I was just looking for some opinions. Thanks!

Here's my two cents: My opinion is that the picture on this TV is nothing short of amazing! IMHO THE very best picture quality in a plasma and perhaps the best there is out there. My opinion is that even at the factory settings the TV is plenty bright in both daytime and at night. After the first hour or so I set Sammie2980's settings into Custom and really improved what was already great. I haven't even set any other the other modes as of yet.
The room setting from what you describe seems very similar to mine. I get some late morning indirect rays from the sun and at night I can have my living room inky black. Picture brightness is more than adequate and can't say it enough the picture quality is amazing!
The 8500 is a nice set: in fact it was next to the ZT that I watched in the box store.....The complaints about brightness are actually only a few here and there throughout this thread but I can understand your concerns.
Usually a box store has these two sets next to each other with their demo settings on and if you were able to see it for yourself I'm thinking you'd see the ZT is plenty bright. (Don't forget about that amazing PQ too....).
post #4849 of 11387
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Welcome to the world of the modern day plasma. What you're finding is correct and reflects the ABL behavior.
For plasma calibration, you don't use full field patterns. You use the window patterns.

Thanks for the response back. I guess I am learning that with regard to the windows smile.gif

So can someone comment on the light output I am seeing (about 34fl with THX Bright on the AVSHD standard window)? Is this an expected value or much lower than it should be? Not positive if cnet used a different sized window or not and would like to know if I need to get an exchange going or not. Thanks much.
post #4850 of 11387
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Originally Posted by @TOMMY@ View Post

How much buzzing is normal for a 65ZT60? Mine buzzes loudly on white, green, red, and blue (less) slides. I can here it clearly at my seating distance of 8 feet.

Will the buzzes be less noticeable on normal content where the contrast isn't 100?

Not that I ran slides very long, and at the time the tv was plugged into my UPS which exacerbated the buzzing a bit, but I didn't really notice the buzz except on the lighter grey and white slides (from memory of several months ago), at which point the buzz was pretty loud. Don't remember it on colored slides. All I had to do was walk in the room.

I'm still just using THX Cinema mode, I hear buzzing once in a while with a very bright, mostly white screen but that's about it.
post #4851 of 11387
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Originally Posted by Maagguss View Post

Maybe off topic, or extremly topicall, but what are you guys seeing as far as stock levels?  I work for a company (not gonna say which cause I'm not trying to get people to come in and buy) and we seem to be getting dry.  I have no 65ZT60's and only about 12 60ZT60's in my local warehouse.  Are they starting to run out?

Possibly, but the news articles indicated December being the last builds. Maybe they'll crank out a bunch this month, and then that will be that....

No telling which sets they'll be producing though. Maybe they're done with zts (?), maybe not. Guess we'll find out soon enough. If you want one, now is the time.

Most of us can only speculate.
post #4852 of 11387
All production for Panny 2013 Plasmas are done. No more. What a pity.
post #4853 of 11387
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

Thanks for the response back. I guess I am learning that with regard to the windows smile.gif

So can someone comment on the light output I am seeing (about 34fl with THX Bright on the AVSHD standard window)? Is this an expected value or much lower than it should be? Not positive if cnet used a different sized window or not and would like to know if I need to get an exchange going or not. Thanks much.

Light is fine, you won't get another panel that will have a higher output just because its another panel. You may get a different light output reading in THX Bright just because each panel is unique and the "pre-set" modes will have different readings/results. That doesn't mean one panel is brighter than the other. So the next step is to use the Pro modes and do your calibration (usually a day and night), correcting for the greyscale and adjusting light output to a level that leaves you with either an accurate picture or one that you find suitable for you. None of the THX modes or other modes on your panel are going to be reference out of the box. A little confused why you are alarmed unless I am missing something.
post #4854 of 11387
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

Light is fine, you won't get another panel that will have a higher output just because its another panel. You may get a different light output reading in THX Bright just because each panel is unique and the "pre-set" modes will have different readings/results. That doesn't mean one panel is brighter than the other. So the next step is to use the Pro modes and do your calibration (usually a day and night), correcting for the greyscale and adjusting light output to a level that leaves you with either an accurate picture or one that you find suitable for you. None of the THX modes or other modes on your panel are going to be reference out of the box. A little confused why you are alarmed unless I am missing something.

The main thing that I am worrying about is the roughly 8 fl difference in measured output vs what CNET reported so I want to make sure that something isn't wrong with my panels max output by hopefully getting feedback on what other people measure. So from what you are saying brightness variation of that scale is expected?
Edited by mjodotcom - 12/10/13 at 7:28am
post #4855 of 11387
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Welcome to the world of the modern day plasma. What you're finding is correct and reflects the ABL behavior.
For plasma calibration, you don't use full field patterns. You use the window patterns.

On a related note, I am noticing slight IR as a result of displaying the greyscale windows and flipping through TV menus for 1-2 hours while doing my calibration. I hope that this is ok?

For reference my set does have over 300 hours on it (so I was hoping this wouldn't be a problem at all...) and after running full screen content for about 2 hours last night it did seem to fade quite a bit but it was still noticeable this morning if looking closely on some of the break-in slides. Is there anything else I can do to help make it go away all together? I have read a little bit about the screen wipe function but not sure how long I can/should leave the TV in that mode (some say hours some say minutes) or if it is better to keep playing full screen content.

Thanks again for all the support from people on this thread.
post #4856 of 11387
Done with the slides and set up the Dnice settings along with the Cnet and Sound and vision settings for comparison last night.

Found that the Dnice settings give me the best blacks but the Cnet have the most black detail. Decided to stay with the Dnice settings and will adjust to my preference. I think bumping up brightness a bit on the Dnice day settings will give me a nice balance of black/detail. The dark room and 3D settings are spot in for me though.
post #4857 of 11387
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Originally Posted by Paul_A/V View Post

Wait as I did. The temperature was in the 20s when my 65ZT60 was delivered. I unpacked it and waited 8 hours before powering it on.

They just showed up, clearly in a foul mood, its been snowing here for the last hour. He asked if I wanted it set up and I said no, I just want to open it and check it for physical damage. They started ripping the box apart and I stopped them to show how to unclip the box bottom and lift it off. Then they got worse as they stood there watching me inspect the screen with a flashlight. A suggested, I signed the slip "no physical damage seen but subject to internal damage after power on" (or something like that) and when he read it, gave me a lecture on how he bore no additional responsibility since he opened the box in my presence. These guys looked so rough that I would not let them near my stand to help me swap it in. No thought of a tip on my part, at best, I would call it black glove delivery.

The sticker says August 2013, first time I've seen that, read mostly about July and October, and I am hoping for no fan noise. How do I look to see if the fan noise kit is installed?
post #4858 of 11387
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Originally Posted by shopit View Post

The sticker says August 2013, first time I've seen that, read mostly about July and October, and I am hoping for no fan noise. How do I look to see if the fan noise kit is installed?

You should be fine with "the fix" already in place. This thread, post 688, describes a possible way to check, but otherwise you'd have to open up the set and look. The other option is to check with your ears. smile.gif

Enjoy your set.
post #4859 of 11387
Greetings all!

I received my new 65" ZT60 and what a nice display! I ran prep slides for a 100 hours, got it mounted up in my room and finally got to see what the hoopla was all about...This thing ROCKS! I felt lucky to have no dead pixels. Although I may engage Panasonic over the ubiquitous fan sound and see if it can be quieted any more, that's acceptable as well...It's only noticable when my HVAC and/or the Coolerguys fans on the back of my cabinet aren't running.

Although there were some decent settings out of the box (THX Cinema was probably my favorite), loading it with custom settings really makes the display shine.

Using ControlCAL for setup is a hoot! (assuming you like playing with the brains of your devices by remote control) I had an issue with the software download but the support Turbe provides is awesome and had it sorted in no time. It's really nice to be able to connect my PC to the display via home network then try settings generously provided by members. I can't say enough good things about ControlCAL...a value at twice the price.

I live in rural Idaho and as far as I know, there's no calibration services around here so will make due. If anyone out there has settings that you feel really exploit all this display has to offer, I'd sure enjoy trying yours out.

When I get a chance, will post photos of the new addition to the family.

Cheers and Happy Holidays!!
post #4860 of 11387
Thanks for the response!
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