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Originally Posted by firedoger View Post

Hi everyone,

        I'm a nube to this forum and I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a 65vt60. I have been reading all the reviews and posts I can find on this set. I'm driving my wife nuts!! Here's the deal. The set will be replacing a 11yr old 65" Mitsubishi CRT rear-projection. It will be in a large family/great room that has several windows but none behind it. I have light blocking shades on all the windows. Is the 65vt60 going to be more reflective than the Mits it's replacing ?  The 65vt60 is at the top of my budget and I can't step up to the ZT or Samsung. Maybe this is a stupid question,I don't know. I'm just a little nervous about it being worse than the CRT it's replacing. 

Maybe that question would be more appropriate in the VT60 thread instead of the ZT60 thread. The VT60 filter is ok but the one on the ZT60 is much better (as is the one on the Samsung F8500 although the ZT60 is still the best).
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Originally Posted by music_to_my_ear View Post

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Originally Posted by changboy View Post

Not sure the F8500 have the same color accuracy of the VT60 and ZT from what i read from test, cnet said the panasonic have a better saturation of color, not mean the samsung not have good color but its seam for example the skin tone is less natural.
But i not do really deep test with the samsung and about the black level of the samsung i read different number like .015 from avforum and some claim its .007 so what's is the black level of the samsung ?

Accoridng to the Value Electronics 2013 shootout, Dnice said the color accuracy of the three panels were equal to the kuro. Both David and Kevin agreed.

Those three guys are like the best in the business when it comes to judging panels so Id believe their words

To clarify, I posted the Value Electronics Shootout results chart as the response to the "music_to_my_ear" post quoted above. ZT vs VT color accuracy was not a part of the discussion. I agree that all 3 tvs are a fine choice, and it comes down to personal preference/viewing environment. In fact, after experiencing IR on ZT, I am considering exchanging ZT for Samsung F8500 myself.

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Originally Posted by improwise View Post


Maybe that question would be more appropriate in the VT60 thread instead of the ZT60 thread. The VT60 filter is ok but the one on the ZT60 is much better (as is the one on the Samsung F8500 although the ZT60 is still the best).

Yep! Sorry I'll post over there.  

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Originally Posted by PINKTULIPS7 View Post

Anybody upgrade from VT-50 to ZT-60?Whats the key improvement you have seen so far?

I just did. I had a P65VT50 I purchased in summer 2012 and just took delivery 6 days ago of a P65ZT60. So some disclaimers up front, my VT50 was calibrated by D-Nice so in my eyes it is damn near perfection. I wanted a ZT60 to own the last of the great plasmas rather than regret it like when the Kuros was discontinued.

That said my ZT60 is barely a week old with 60 hours on the panel, most of that slides to break the panel in. I do not have my bias light set up yet I initially set the picture to THX Cinema and recently used dialed in the CNET settings. My initial impressions are the colors feel more saturated and rich, the blacks are superb, they seem better than the VT50, and I believe the contrast is better, but these are just initial observations. This was a luxury buy for me, did not need it and honestly if I can't quiet the fan noise down it is going back as my VT50 made no noise and a year plus later am still impressed with its picture.

My guess if the ZT60 was calibrated and side by side with the VT50 I might see a difference, is it worth spending $3K if you have a VT50? Hmm that is for each to decide, I love my toys so for me I want to keep it. If you read the fridge noise thread you will see I am desperately trying to quiet the noise. I have about 2 weeks left to decide. I also rationalize some of this because I needed a 50-55 in my basement and while I could have gotten a $800 set for the workout room, I decided having the VT50 down there is a nice backup TV should the main TV fail before OLED is ready and affordable, which I am assuming is 3-5 years away.
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Originally Posted by PINKTULIPS7 View Post

Anybody upgrade from VT-50 to ZT-60?Whats the key improvement you have seen so far?
My dad has a 65" VT50 and I have a 65" ZT60. My picture is better but if I had the VT50 I never would have bought the ZT. To echo what the pros said at the VE Shootout, the improved performance isn't justified by the cost. The only time I would upgrade is if money were no object, you just have to have the latest and greatest or you're looking to increase screen size.
Edited by repete66211 - 12/21/13 at 3:55pm
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Hey what was the bias light you guys reccomended for the zt?
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Originally Posted by Axxion View Post

Hey what was the bias light you guys reccomended for the zt?

Check out Ideal Lume from CinemaQuest.

http://www.cinemaquestinc.com/ideal_lume.htm
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Originally Posted by Axxion View Post

Hey what was the bias light you guys reccomended for the zt?

I use Antec.

http://www.amazon.com/Antec-HDTV-51-1-Inch-BIAS-LIGHTING/dp/B007TG5EG8

It works for me. Except, sticky abrasive on the light is not strong enough to hold one side of the light in place, so I have to use sticky tape.
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Originally Posted by SwiftSweeper View Post

I use Antec.

http://www.amazon.com/Antec-HDTV-51-1-Inch-BIAS-LIGHTING/dp/B007TG5EG8

It works for me. Except, sticky abrasive on the light is not strong enough to hold one side of the light in place, so I have to use sticky tape.

I used to use the LED strip that Ikea sold, but just ordered this as I like the USB powered aspect. In theory the light should be 6500K temperature, but that also assume you have a purely neutral wall that it is reflecting off of. otherwise in theory it distorts your visual interpretation of the colors on the TV.
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

My dad has a 65" VT50 and I have a 65" ZT60. My picture is better but if I had the VT50 I never would have bought the ZT. To echo what the pros said at the VE Shootout, the improved performance isn't justified by the cost. The only time I would upgrade is if money were no object, you just have to have the latest and greatest or you're looking to increase screen size.
Thx for reply,I am kind of undecided or confused about the upgrade!I want the bigger screen at least 60" but wondering if it's worth the upgrade?VT-50 is a good TV,no Fan noise but was not happy how it handle 1080P/24FPS at 96Hz mode......
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Originally Posted by kluken View Post

I just did. I had a P65VT50 I purchased in summer 2012 and just took delivery 6 days ago of a P65ZT60. So some disclaimers up front, my VT50 was calibrated by D-Nice so in my eyes it is damn near perfection. I wanted a ZT60 to own the last of the great plasmas rather than regret it like when the Kuros was discontinued.

That said my ZT60 is barely a week old with 60 hours on the panel, most of that slides to break the panel in. I do not have my bias light set up yet I initially set the picture to THX Cinema and recently used dialed in the CNET settings. My initial impressions are the colors feel more saturated and rich, the blacks are superb, they seem better than the VT50, and I believe the contrast is better, but these are just initial observations. This was a luxury buy for me, did not need it and honestly if I can't quiet the fan noise down it is going back as my VT50 made no noise and a year plus later am still impressed with its picture.

My guess if the ZT60 was calibrated and side by side with the VT50 I might see a difference, is it worth spending $3K if you have a VT50? Hmm that is for each to decide, I love my toys so for me I want to keep it. If you read the fridge noise thread you will see I am desperately trying to quiet the noise. I have about 2 weeks left to decide. I also rationalize some of this because I needed a 50-55 in my basement and while I could have gotten a $800 set for the workout room, I decided having the VT50 down there is a nice backup TV should the main TV fail before OLED is ready and affordable, which I am assuming is 3-5 years away.
If I get the right price I might pull the triger but don't know if it's justify the upgeade and hassle!!!!!!!
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Hey guys just got the ZT and every so often the screen will flash a light green color. It will takes up most of the screen and is there for a split second. I have noticed it on netflix and blu rays. I purchased the tv from Best Buy so I can exchange it. Has this problem happened to anyone else and should I exchange it or call panasonic? Thanks for any input.
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Originally Posted by Fete26 View Post

Hey guys just got the ZT and every so often the screen will flash a light green color. It will takes up most of the screen and is there for a split second. I have noticed it on netflix and blu rays. I purchased the tv from Best Buy so I can exchange it. Has this problem happened to anyone else and should I exchange it or call panasonic? Thanks for any input.

See post 5261. I sure would return it.
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Was a thread started on the micro fractures on the glass panel some owner a few pages back experienced?

Since its a pretty big issue to have I was wondering one should be started if it hasnt been to help future owners or current owners know if it can be fixed and how or even if it cant be fixed
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Originally Posted by Fete26 View Post

Hey guys just got the ZT and every so often the screen will flash a light green color. It will takes up most of the screen and is there for a split second. I have noticed it on netflix and blu rays. I purchased the tv from Best Buy so I can exchange it. Has this problem happened to anyone else and should I exchange it or call panasonic? Thanks for any input.

You too eh?

So thats two owners who have reported this issue soo far?
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Originally Posted by PINKTULIPS7 View Post

Thx for reply,I am kind of undecided or confused about the upgrade!I want the bigger screen at least 60" but wondering if it's worth the upgrade?VT-50 is a good TV,no Fan noise but was not happy how it handle 1080P/24FPS at 96Hz mode......

The Pros say the ZT60 handled 24p at 96Hz better than the VT did, but I believe you have to leave the motion smoother set to low. I tried it last night and honestly can;t tell the difference between 24p at 60Hz and 96z, not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing, or just my old eyes.
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Originally Posted by music_to_my_ear View Post

Was a thread started on the micro fractures on the glass panel some owner a few pages back experienced?

Since its a pretty big issue to have I was wondering one should be started if it hasnt been to help future owners or current owners know if it can be fixed and how or even if it cant be fixed

Were they there when new, or they developed over time? I know you see more negative issues in threads that positive sometimes, but since my ZT60 was a luxury buy I would hate to start having tons of issues since my VT50 has been flawless for over a year now.
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Originally Posted by kluken View Post

The Pros say the ZT60 handled 24p at 96Hz better than the VT did, but I believe you have to leave the motion smoother set to low. I tried it last night and honestly can;t tell the difference between 24p at 60Hz and 96z, not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing, or just my old eyes.
with VT-50 when motion smoother set to low it introduce judder in some scene and whentmotion smoother set to mid it introduce SOE,me honestly I rather see SOE in some fast moving scene than judder!!!!
Watch Planet Earth Blu-Ray[Disc 1] when two Wolf appear at the scene and start chasing a Cub,if ZT-60 handle motion well[1080P/24FPS]at that scene then you can call done!!!!
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I'm on the fence regarding getting my set ISF calibrated. Is it really worth the $400? I can't make up my mind. I think it already looks excellent.
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Originally Posted by drewTT View Post

I'm on the fence regarding getting my set ISF calibrated. Is it really worth the $400? I can't make up my mind. I think it already looks excellent.
You might want to read flat panel owners comments about their calibration experience. Use post number two in the "customer" thread that's linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post.

My original reason for starting the thread was to answer the question that you're asking. In the end, it can only be your call.

Don't skip the Pioneer Kuro lists, or quality models other than your ZT60.
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Originally Posted by drewTT View Post

I'm on the fence regarding getting my set ISF calibrated. Is it really worth the $400? I can't make up my mind. I think it already looks excellent.

To me, it's well worth it and once you know what to look for, there is no going back.
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Originally Posted by drewTT View Post

I'm on the fence regarding getting my set ISF calibrated. Is it really worth the $400? I can't make up my mind. I think it already looks excellent.

To me, it's well worth it and once you know what to look for, there is no going back.

That's exactly it. What do I look for?
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Originally Posted by drewTT View Post

That's exactly it. What do I look for?

Skin tones,correct colors,shadow detail to name a few:)
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got two at 17.49 - thanks for the post. these things are great. i can make my own X an Os during the football game and the little girl loves painting on the tv. i guess one worry is if the pen taps the glass hard is there a risk of breaking the glass?

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Originally Posted by changboy View Post

Thanks for the info

For those who want the electronic touchpen for fun i saw it for just $17.49, me i cant order it from here too bad

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BF9MX7S/ref=asc_df_B00BF9MX7S2890238?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=cnet-ce-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395093&creativeASIN=B00BF9MX7S

And in the middle of this page you will see this :

3ACTIVE® Twin Storage Case for Two 3D Glasses. Includes Two Cleaning Cloths. $19.95

merry christmas hehehehehe

Price of the touchpen already update at $24.99
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Originally Posted by drewTT View Post

That's exactly it. What do I look for?

Once you're used to a correct/quality image, you will know. It takes some time and you also must have an interesting in this sort of thing. You will notice natural looking skin tones, neutral shades of gray and black, well balanced gamma, pure non-blown out whites, natural tones of green, blues, yellows that are yellow and not hinted with some other color, etc. Over time, it will sink in and before you know it, it will be hard watching a display that isn't calibrated properly and will spot these things rather easily actually.
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Originally Posted by chillspace View Post

Quick update:

As some may recall, I had a single dead pixel right smack dab in the middle of my brand new 65ZT60 which was found on power up when running D-Nice's break-in slides and have been patiently waiting for a warranty replacement...It finally arrived. Yes...Panasonic authorized a full warranty replacement and get this, it is fresh off of the line with a December 2013 build. I haven't had a chance to test it because I need to wait for it warm up to room temperature so it most likely won't be powered up until later in the weekend (but definitely before Christmas Eve). I just hope that they've been to tighten up their quality control with these final units and there are no issues with this one. Keeping my fingers crossed...right now just happy I have my replacement sitting in the living room now. smile.gif

Good news. Replacement 65ZT60 has no dead pixels and now running D-Nice's slides to get her ready for calibration from my guy here in town. The only thing that differs from the set that it replaced is I can here that wonderful buzz when the slide is full screen white. I'm not too worried, so long as it doesn't get worse. Chances are I won't hear it all once it is mounted and set up in my home theater.
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Originally Posted by drewTT View Post

I'm on the fence regarding getting my set ISF calibrated. Is it really worth the $400? I can't make up my mind. I think it already looks excellent.

Really depends how picky you are about what you are watching. As stated by many reviewers out of box THX cinema is very close to ideal, also I dialed in CNET settings and it looks awesome, but I know the blacks and colors can be dialed in to be more accurate so to me it is absolutely worth it. I have owned 3 sets since 2003 and every one has been calibrated, this will be #4. My first was a rear projection that I got re-tweaked 18 months in.
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