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post #5911 of 11414
But cumulatively over time I wonder what happens. It sounds as though the IR on the samsung f8500 isn't as bad and disappears quicker than the ZT60. Perhaps, I'll just cross my fingers and see what their 2014 model looks like (although I did like the look of the 2013 model over the ZT60 as I'm not a fan of the small silver bezel).
post #5912 of 11414
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Originally Posted by Bigmoviefan View Post

I've had my ZT60 since late May and have not had any IR issues! biggrin.gif
Curious did you run the panel prep slides or did you go straight to regular content
post #5913 of 11414

Mr. Priestly, 

 

I've been in the game business for years and completely agree with your assessment that the xbox one is not quite ready for prime time.  I also use the Harmony Remote and have a wife who is not crazy about new tech.  My solution is pretty straightforward.   

 

I run the cable box through both the Xbox One and directly to the tv.   HDMI goes to the Xbox and composite goes direct to the ZT60.   Time Warner in Southern California broadcasts hd at 720 or 1080i at best so it really doesn't make a difference.   When the xbox is on I can watch tv and use its guide, or I can just choose to watch from cable directly.  The Harmony remote is set to use the video input for watching television and HDMI for the xbox.   The remote also controls the xbox when it is on. 

post #5914 of 11414
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Originally Posted by kdbbb View Post
 

Mr. Priestly, 

 

I've been in the game business for years and completely agree with your assessment that the xbox one is not quite ready for prime time.  I also use the Harmony Remote and have a wife who is not crazy about new tech.  My solution is pretty straightforward.   

 

I run the cable box through both the Xbox One and directly to the tv.   HDMI goes to the Xbox and composite goes direct to the ZT60.   Time Warner in Southern California broadcasts hd at 720 or 1080i at best so it really doesn't make a difference.   When the xbox is on I can watch tv and use its guide, or I can just choose to watch from cable directly.  The Harmony remote is set to use the video input for watching television and HDMI for the xbox.   The remote also controls the xbox when it is on. 

 

 

I disagree about it not being ready. Did it change everything in some drastic measure at once? No but if you had those expectations it was incredibly silly. Like you said you can always just pick up the regular remote if you want to watch something on DVR. It has taken 80% of me using the remote out of it which is a lot more than I expected. Not having to play with inputs is also really nice. The graphics are great and some games are running in 1080p. Both the ps4 and the xbone look great in the graphics department. I honestly think Jason got a bad xbone. I know 20 folks with the system and none have had 95% of the issues he mentioned. Also I re calibrated the kinect set up with the volume jacked almost all the way up and that really helped in not hearing me.

post #5915 of 11414
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Originally Posted by bvader View Post

Curious did you run the panel prep slides or did you go straight to regular content
I used HBO to break in the
TV. 16x9 content with no station logos. Stuck with that for several 100 hours.
post #5916 of 11414
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Originally Posted by Bigmoviefan View Post

I used HBO to break in the
TV. 16x9 content with no station logos. Stuck with that for several 100 hours.
Thanks, I am doing 100 hours of panel prep (almost done) then 16x9 we will see how mine turnS out WRSPT IR

BTW for others interested may build panel fan noise pretty low while running break in continuous panel a little warm but certainly not hot
Edited by bvader - 1/1/14 at 7:11pm
post #5917 of 11414
Does anyone know if the ZT60 allows you to set it up on a second IR code via it's service menus? I have RF remotes throught my house and our bedroom TV is a Panasonic TV. So turning that TV on and off would turn the ZT60 on and off. I haven't gotten the ZT60 yet.
post #5918 of 11414
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Originally Posted by merccrazy View Post

I ran three 65 inch plasmas for days on end and none of the pixels failed. I think it's the best early stress test out there.

Best early stress test for sure. I've been constantly running slides on my set between sessions since I got the set in December.....if there is any chance of it breaking down it will happen within these 30 days....my tv is literally on 24/7 atm
post #5919 of 11414
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Originally Posted by Jason Priestley View Post

Ok that is kinda nuts. eek.gif
And it goes away eventually? That is the sort of stuff that scares me given my wife won't be as disciplined as me and I do play games where there will be HUD that you can't remove. As much as it pains me, I may have to stick with my 50" Kuro and actually go LED if OLED never pans out and my Kuro goes kaput.
I think you are reading to much into this, I am not saying there aren't any sets that have "prolonged" IR, however I have not seen any myself. With this said, I feel that every plasma can get IR, leave a image on long enough it will come, even on the Kuro. I know when I watch TV I am not sitting there with a stop watch to see how long it takes for IR to come, how long it takes to go away. I would say 95% of the time IR is not an issue for most consumers.
post #5920 of 11414
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I think you are reading to much into this, I am not saying there aren't any sets that have "prolonged" IR, however I have not seen any myself. With this said, I feel that every plasma can get IR, leave a image on long enough it will come, even on the Kuro. I know when I watch TV I am not sitting there with a stop watch to see how long it takes for IR to come, how long it takes to go away. I would say 95% of the time IR is not an issue for most consumers.
Have you read this thread? Quite a few claim IR problems.
post #5921 of 11414
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Originally Posted by Axxion View Post

Have you read this thread? Quite a few claim IR problems.
The problems you see talked about on forums like this are not a representative sample of the general population. Additionally, complaints tend to be repeated, making the problem appear more prevalent than it is. Persistent IR is a problem for some but not for others. I get it temporarily on my unit after prolonged use but so far it's doing better than my old Samsung plasma so I'm not complaining. Not yet anyway.
post #5922 of 11414
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Originally Posted by tuckersvols View Post


I disagree about it not being ready. Did it change everything in some drastic measure at once? No but if you had those expectations it was incredibly silly. Like you said you can always just pick up the regular remote if you want to watch something on DVR. It has taken 80% of me using the remote out of it which is a lot more than I expected. Not having to play with inputs is also really nice. The graphics are great and some games are running in 1080p. Both the ps4 and the xbone look great in the graphics department. I honestly think Jason got a bad xbone. I know 20 folks with the system and none have had 95% of the issues he mentioned. Also I re calibrated the kinect set up with the volume jacked almost all the way up and that really helped in not hearing me.

Just curious as to what your setup is? Do you just have the xbox one plugged direct into the TV? Do you have surround? I think part of my complication is I have many components in my system: 1) Kuro (speakers are not attached as I exclusively use surround) 2) 5.1 system through receiver that has 3 HDMI inputs, 3) FIOS cable box into xbox one into 1 HDMI port, PS4 into 2nd HDMI port, and then there is an HDMI switch (powered) that runs into the 3rd HDMI port and attached to the switch is a PS3, xbox 360, apple TV, and then extra HDMI cable for misc.

So the question becomes, if I allow the xbox to control the power of the receive and TV, then what about when I want to switch inputs to one of my other devices or access the DVR? At that point, I have to use my harmony remote but then the harmony doesn't realize the TV/receiver is already on and so I have to choose the activity (macro) of watching TV or play ps4 and it will automatically turn off my TV/receiver. If the device truly wants to be the center of my system I wish it could control the receiver inputs, access dvr, etc. It just feels like some of this was rushed to meet launch date and at its current point it doesn't feel ready to be the center of the system (so I will put it on the HDMI switch). There are simple things that it should have as options. Why can't it default automatically to TV or the app that you specify (that alone creates an extra step for me) ? Why does it have to use kinect to auto sign in (it doesn't seem to work if you are lying on the couch or walking across the room - you must sit up and face the TV)? Why does it have to use specific language while things like Siri and what google has can use actual sentences? Why isn't smartglass more tightly integrated where I have much more control over the xbox with the app (change channels and volume for example). Why can't I turn off motion gestures? Not only does it not work well it, it will sometimes just misinterpret me as trying to use gestures when I'm just sitting in the room working on something else. The reality is I use my xbox one more than the ps4 and the potential is great but it just doesn't seem ready yet.

As for the issues I listed, these are discussed all over the internet.

Lip Sync
http://www.avforums.com/threads/xbox-one-bluray-player-24hz-issue.1834565/

handshaking issues w/ cable box
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1501245/av-receiver-problem-with-xbox-one

"Xbox on" doesn't always work
http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_support/xbox_one_support/f/4275/t/1630794.aspx

Xbox "stop listening" logo stuck
http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_support/xbox_one_support/f/4275/t/1632601.aspx

xbox BF4 - issues and voice chat
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/forum/threadview/2955064770293888514/

Killer Instinct not booting
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/691088-xbox-one/67989482

Resolution gate
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-resolutiongate-the-fallout

Anyway, I apologies to everyone for going off on this tangent and will return back to the zt60 discussion. I like my xbox one but it was clearly rushed out to market and hopefully some of these issues will be addressed.
post #5923 of 11414
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I think you are reading to much into this, I am not saying there aren't any sets that have "prolonged" IR, however I have not seen any myself. With this said, I feel that every plasma can get IR, leave a image on long enough it will come, even on the Kuro. I know when I watch TV I am not sitting there with a stop watch to see how long it takes for IR to come, how long it takes to go away. I would say 95% of the time IR is not an issue for most consumers.

Since you are a seller of both panasonic and samsung and back in the day when I bought a pio (I believe you were an authorized dealer) can you at all compare and contrast IR between the units? I've always been of the stance that IR and burn-in were a bit exaggerated and most people didn't realize the benefits of plasma and somehow overlooked many of the flaws of LCD/LED. I mean we're already getting reports that some of the OLED in torch mode are getting IR or even burn-in. And perhaps some people are just more prone to seeing it like DLP people and rainbows?
post #5924 of 11414
Hi all,

I just purchased a new ZT60 and I need a wall mount that will allow me to pull the panel away from the wall. I went to my local BB and was told that there is only one that would run $700. Is there only one option?
post #5925 of 11414
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Originally Posted by Bigmoviefan View Post

I used HBO to break in the
TV. 16x9 content with no station logos. Stuck with that for several 100 hours.

Its stretched content to cover whole screen panel for me with no IR for now. Getting closer to 100 Hr. Varied sources. Cooler panel, warm for 3D. Adds do the "wipe" on channel logos with their "white" themed content.
post #5926 of 11414
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Originally Posted by Jason Priestley View Post

Since you are a seller of both panasonic and samsung and back in the day when I bought a pio (I believe you were an authorized dealer) can you at all compare and contrast IR between the units? I've always been of the stance that IR and burn-in were a bit exaggerated and most people didn't realize the benefits of plasma and somehow overlooked many of the flaws of LCD/LED. I mean we're already getting reports that some of the OLED in torch mode are getting IR or even burn-in. And perhaps some people are just more prone to seeing it like DLP people and rainbows?

I am, or rather will be, in a rather unique position to comment on this...

I have had or have access to in the past few months... Samsung F4500 2013 720P, Samsung F8500 I bought in TX for my brother's place and spent about a week with, 60ZT60 exchanged for 55VT60 as I couldn't really justify the extra cost at the VT's attractive price, a Sharp Elite I exchanged the VT for after IR issues and finally, I'm in South Florida right now picking up a supposedly very low hour PRO-141FD Elite Signature.

Now, that being said the Sharp Elite turned out to have a skin tone deficiency that appears to be in the panel itself, so I'm basically trading that back for my own returned ZT60 that became an open box (stay with me here) as with the open box discount and the extra 10 percent off from BB during the open box event I couldn't resist. However, I also stumbled across the 141FD and wanted an excuse to get out of the god awful Midwest for a few days so I came down here to get that.

What will follow, assuming the 141FD is not a basketcase with some problem I can't live with, is a pretty epic duel as to which one I will ultimately end up keeping... Everything and I do mean everything about the ZT is AMAZING. And the extra pop afforded by the bonded panel is not without its merits.

But... the IR is NOT a problem that can just be dismissed and it's the reason I ended up giving up on the ZT and VT the first time around. What ultimately matters here is exactly what your usage patterns are as far as what you watch and for how long. In my case, I watch a *LOT* of cable TV and work from home, so my TV is constantly running. I found that after MAYBE 6 or 7 hours of watching HGTV and Velocity (the two I most watch) both of their logos, but especially Velocity's "V" would become stubborn for as much an entire DAY afterward spent watching other content to get it to go away. This persisted even after 100 hours of panel use, and it was no different or better from the ZT to the VT. This, to me, kind of threw out the scenario that it's a panel lottery as to which ones will and won't have it. As a separate observation, neither the F8500 or the F4500 were anywhere near this affected. When they did get an after-image, it would take maybe another hour or two of alternate content to dissipate the effect completely. Cnet also had an "unexpected" burn in test they published wherein the static menu on some DVD or Bluray they use accidentally was left on all of the plasmas in their test bed for basically an entire 8 hour timespan. They noted that the Samsung didn't burn whereas the Panasonic did. That's not an endorsement of Samsung by any means, as they have their own set of problems I won't get into here.

In any case, I am going to test the 141 directly pitted against the ZT60 when I finally have both of them at home. From everything I've heard, the one area where the ZT blows the Elite away is in shadow detail. And if, in fact, the Elite just crushes all the black data, I'll be inclined to keep the Panasonic. But if the Panasonic's IR continues to be so bad for my use case, and the Elite looks just as good or better, then I will stay with the Kuro and replace my brother's F8500 with the ZT.
post #5927 of 11414
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Originally Posted by unluckytoe View Post

Hi all,

I just purchased a new ZT60 and I need a wall mount that will allow me to pull the panel away from the wall. I went to my local BB and was told that there is only one that would run $700. Is there only one option?

check monoprice.com
or search the brand Omnimount.
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post #5929 of 11414
Out of all the people here who have identified channel logos as a barrier to watching those channels, even going so far as to switch channels during commercials (for those that have channel logos even during commercials), and intentionally watching other channels the next day to try to get rid of it, have any actually tried writing a letter to the offending channels to inform them why they are watching less of the channel and its commercials? How about a letter to the main advertisers telling them why they have fewer eyeballs seeing their commercials? It would be so easy for the channels to have a logo that didn't stay in the same place all the time, or at least redesigned so it wasn't as IR-inducing, if they (or their advertisers) knew it was a problem to a lot of people.
post #5930 of 11414
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Originally Posted by Terebi View Post

Out of all the people here who have identified channel logos as a barrier to watching those channels, even going so far as to switch channels during commercials (for those that have channel logos even during commercials), and intentionally watching other channels the next day to try to get rid of it, have any actually tried writing a letter to the offending channels to inform them why they are watching less of the channel and its commercials? How about a letter to the main advertisers telling them why they have fewer eyeballs seeing their commercials? It would be so easy for the channels to have a logo that didn't stay in the same place all the time, or at least redesigned so it wasn't as IR-inducing, if they (or their advertisers) knew it was a problem to a lot of people.

The best thing you can really do is zoom the image in to crop out the logo. With some of them it won't completely zoom it off, though. But if you think about it, Velocity's logo isn't really all that offensive, it's mostly a clear relief. It would help if they stopped using it altogether, or only brought it IN every 15 or 30 minutes but the problem with TVs will still remain. OLED is poised to be the next big technology to take the reigns from plasma, and it has its own IR issues.

There's a few channels that are good about eschewing the logos almost completely, like HDNet Movies, but they are few and far between. The worst offenders are the sports networks and news channels like FBN where the stock ticker NEVER moves, not even during commercials.
post #5931 of 11414
Hello,
After having the ZT delivered a few days ago, I must give props. After purchasing a 60GT50 prior, I purposely avoided much info on the 60 Series. However, somehow the movers came up one 55 inch panel short which provided the green light for another PDP.

With my GT50 I simply zoomed out all channel logos and the like for the first 100 hours. By cosmic quirk Comcast and Best Buy came within 30 minutes of one another at my new house. Unfortunately, the signal is weak and now Comcastic cannot install for another few days. Sans cable I have just been playing 1:78:1 material. It is unfortunate that I cannot just break it in 24/7, but at least no accidental screen logos.
Cheers,
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post #5932 of 11414
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Originally Posted by unluckytoe View Post

Hi all,

I just purchased a new ZT60 and I need a wall mount that will allow me to pull the panel away from the wall. I went to my local BB and was told that there is only one that would run $700. Is there only one option?


I am ordering this tonight for my ZT60:

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=108&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082806&p_id=8588&seq=1&format=2&style=
post #5933 of 11414
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Originally Posted by unluckytoe View Post

Hi all,
I just purchased a new ZT60 and I need a wall mount that will allow me to pull the panel away from the wall. I went to my local BB and was told that there is only one that would run $700. Is there only one option?
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Originally Posted by kluken View Post

I am ordering this tonight for my ZT60:
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=108&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082806&p_id=8588&seq=1&format=2&style=
Both of those are rated up to 60", so if you're getting the 65" version be sure to find the appropriate size.
post #5934 of 11414
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Originally Posted by Playdrv4me View Post

Cnet also had an "unexpected" burn in test they published wherein the static menu on some DVD or Bluray they use accidentally was left on all of the plasmas in their test bed for basically an entire 8 hour timespan. They noted that the Samsung didn't burn whereas the Panasonic did. That's not an endorsement of Samsung by any means, as they have their own set of problems I won't get into here.
You're right that the Samsung did not show image retention in the CNET test but the Panasonic VT's IR faded after a while (meaning it wasn't burned-in). Experience with the GT was less conclusive due to further sanfu on CNET's part.
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In any case, I am going to test the 141 directly pitted against the ZT60 when I finally have both of them at home. From everything I've heard, the one area where the ZT blows the Elite away is in shadow detail. And if, in fact, the Elite just crushes all the black data, I'll be inclined to keep the Panasonic. But if the Panasonic's IR continues to be so bad for my use case, and the Elite looks just as good or better, then I will stay with the Kuro and replace my brother's F8500 with the ZT.
I haven't seen anyone say the ZT "blows" the Kuro away. I've heard it said by many that the two sets have virtually identical performance and that if the ZT did one thing marginally better than the Kuro it would be in rendering better shadow detail. Former Kuro owners have said that the two units are about the same in all respects regarding picture quality and that the only reason you should upgrade is if you're interested in the new features of the ZT (i.e. 3D) or if you want the 65" version.
post #5935 of 11414
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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post

However, somehow the movers came up one 55 inch panel short which provided the green light for another PDP.
Eureka!
post #5936 of 11414
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post



Both of those are rated up to 60", so if you're getting the 65" version be sure to find the appropriate size.

There are plenty of people using them for 65 inch displays, the key is the VESA mounting and total weight support.
post #5937 of 11414
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

Eureka!

"Eureka" means "I found it", so does that mean you just discovered you ended up with his old TV?

smile.gif
post #5938 of 11414
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Originally Posted by kluken View Post

There are plenty of people using them for 65 inch displays, the key is the VESA mounting and total weight support.
Good point, and the 65" falls within the weight spec.
Edited by repete66211 - 1/2/14 at 7:10am
post #5939 of 11414
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Originally Posted by kluken View Post

There are plenty of people using them for 65 inch displays, the key is the VESA mounting and total weight support.

Kluken is absolutely correct. Also the cool thing with monoprice is that you can chat with someone directly if you wish and they will dial you in to what you need in no time. I've been doing business with them for years and they're very knowledgeable and helpful. Another thing every bit as important: They won't go after you with the most expensive item possible, but with what actually will work for you. I ordered a tilting wall mount for my ZT. I'll never have a problem with it, and it was SO much less expensive than any like item in the brick and mortar stores.
post #5940 of 11414
Well, Gentlemen, I'm all in. Bought my 65ZT60 yesterday from Best Buy with a delivery date of this Saturday. I'll report back on build date and serial number when it arrives. The Magnolia manager that I dealt with, which couldn't have been nicer, did say that they just got the one i bought in recently, so assuming that means a later build date since he says they've sold a fair amount of the ZT's. He literally pulled up the sales data from December and showed me that they had sold 14 that month.

Before i pulled the trigger, I asked the manager a ton of questions. I cataloged each complaint listed in this thread and asked him if any customers had complained or returned their sets due to issues such as IR, fan noise, banding, etc. (Side note: The manager owned two Panny's and a 60in Kuro and was a huge fan of plasma displays. He's worked at that particular BB for three years and we went to the same school. I thought he shot me straight during the whole experience.) His response was that he did not know of any sets that had been returned for any reason. That gave me some additional confidence giving that I know they've moved a decent amount of the ZT's. This BB had the VT60 positioned directly above the ZT65 with the same movie playing, Fast and Furious 6. I can't say that I saw a tremendous difference in the picture, had him put both on THX Cinema, but the reflection difference was very pronounced. They had overhead lights aimed at both tv's. The VT reflected the lights severely while you had to look for them in the ZT. My buddy who was with me even commented on it before I told him about the filter.

I was able to hear fan noise on the display set on one side. If you're facing the tv, when I put my head behind the right side of the tv you could hear the fan but it was not loud at all. Like I've said before, no where near the PS3 fans. i could not detect fan noise on the left side at all. Hopefully, this is a good indicator of what I can expect. Anyway, I couldn't be more excited to get this set into my house. Will post updates on initial impressions.
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