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I disagree about it not being ready. Did it change everything in some drastic measure at once? No but if you had those expectations it was incredibly silly. Like you said you can always just pick up the regular remote if you want to watch something on DVR. It has taken 80% of me using the remote out of it which is a lot more than I expected. Not having to play with inputs is also really nice. The graphics are great and some games are running in 1080p. Both the ps4 and the xbone look great in the graphics department. I honestly think Jason got a bad xbone. I know 20 folks with the system and none have had 95% of the issues he mentioned. Also I re calibrated the kinect set up with the volume jacked almost all the way up and that really helped in not hearing me.

By not ready for prime time I mean it is not ready for non techies.   You sound like a guy with game console experience so you are willing to except the shortcomings and mention it is better than you expected.  They are not targeting you though.  They are promoting to people like my wife who want it to work like a toaster - you push the button and it does what you expect.  Microsoft has a product of releasing a passable product and then upgrading until it gets to where it should be - Windows 1.0 anyone? 

 

As far as resolution, the xbox one is a lower resolution than the PS4.   That being said, both look great. 

post #5972 of 11402
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Originally Posted by kdbbb View Post
 

By not ready for prime time I mean it is not ready for non techies.   You sound like a guy with game console experience so you are willing to except the shortcomings and mention it is better than you expected.  They are not targeting you though.  They are promoting to people like my wife who want it to work like a toaster - you push the button and it does what you expect.  Microsoft has a product of releasing a passable product and then upgrading until it gets to where it should be - Windows 1.0 anyone? 

 

As far as resolution, the xbox one is a lower resolution than the PS4.   That being said, both look great. 

 

 

Actually I am far from a techie. I am pretty stupid when it comes to stuff like that lol. My wife had a tough time with the cable remote with all the buttons and loves the xbox one controlling the tv. She pops in a blue ray and it plays the blue ray. No more messing with inputs. If I am watching tv and she wants the volume down she just tells it to. She has her favorites set in her guide and changes the channel through voice commands. The shortcomings for people like myself and my wife just are not there like you think. I actually believe for the techies you have found things you dont like but for normal non techies it works great.

post #5973 of 11402
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Originally Posted by Playdrv4me View Post

Wow. That has not at all been my experience on either the VT or ZT I had. Not saying you're observation isn't correct. But I could watch something else for hours and still not have the previous hours' worth of logo impression go away. In fact, I would end up at a point where I had a mish-mash of "HGTV" and the Velocity "V" mashed together after a while. If I then used the zoom mode for at least another 12-15 hours it would all eventually disappear. But certainly not minutes. And this was two different sized panels (55 and 60) and two different series that exhibited identical behavior in THX mode (I wasn't blasting them in torch mode or anything). The only thing I can not say for certain is whether both were over 100 hours. I know the VT certainly was, and the ZT had to have been very close if not over.

The only other thing on the ZT side that has me a little concerned is a quick blurb I caught as I was scrolling through (where someone had posted that internal shot of a VT) where someone was saying that some people are getting some kind of "vertical lines" at the far left edge of the panel where some circuits were visible on the VT. How common is that?

It sounds like when the Panasonic family, you have decided on the ZT over the VT primarily due to the bonded panel. Did you notice much difference in the panels overall brightness on the bonded ZT vs the VT? Thanks
Edited by skoor - 1/2/14 at 9:29pm
post #5974 of 11402
I have had similar issues and ended up blowing off viera link. I actually ran an optic cable back to my receiver and handle the audio that way. I have a Denton receiver. I could get it to work manually but I would constantly have to deal with the TV either losing the home theater mode in Vieira link or have no sound at all since my receiver was getting confused. It took manual intervention to make it work. Sorry. Like you I am open to ideas but right now I am about to run a optical cable inside my wall.
post #5975 of 11402
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Originally Posted by skoor View Post

It sounds like when the Panasonic family, you have decided on the ZT over the VT primarily due to the boned panel.

Yes, we are gluttons for punishment. biggrin.gif
post #5976 of 11402
Bought one of the last few 65ZT60 from Amazon today, they are now sold out. Delivery is set for Jan14, so I have a lot of reading to do. I wasn't planning on getting a ZT, but time went by and the ST got grabbed up, and are now at or near ZT price, so why not go big.

Any advice or thoughts on accessories would be appreciated.

Scott
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my kids love painting on it with the pens.
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Originally Posted by Borg1of2 View Post

Bought one of the last few 65ZT60 from Amazon today, they are now sold out. Delivery is set for Jan14, so I have a lot of reading to do. I wasn't planning on getting a ZT, but time went by and the ST got grabbed up, and are now at or near ZT price, so why not go big.

Any advice or thoughts on accessories would be appreciated.

Scott
post #5978 of 11402

I am purchasing a 65ZT60 from Magnolia tomorrow. To give some insight I have owned a 60vt60 returned for its inability to perform under bad high ambient light as well as severe IR issues playing my new Xbox One and PS4. I then purchased a 60f8500 which had severe buzzing and dings and dents on the stand right out of the build date Nov. 2013. I returned that unit and got a second one delivered to my house, build date Nov. 2013 same scratches and dings in different spots on the stand and even higher pitched buzzing.

 

I was on the fence on giving up on plasma after owning them for years and go to an f8000, 4k f9000, 4k sony x850 or panasoinc wt600. After doing tons of research and looking at a bunch of the tvs I was sold on the 65f9000 with its upgradeable one connect box. After some more research and some more viewing at Magnolia I realized I just can't own an LED. 

 

I am now purchasing 65ZT60 tomorrow. I am nervous about fan noise and buzzing, if either of these things occur upon delivery I am liable to snap. I just want to finally own a TV that just works correctly. Its been nearly 2 months and I'm still dealing with this defective TV issues. Best Buy doesn't want to keep honoring these returns. If I do get a ZT thats made before August, how effective is the foam repair in comparison of just getting lucky and buying a panel made after August that's preinstalled? 

 

If this panel has any issue with fan noise, buzzing, dings, scratches, pixels, banding, I am liable to freak out LOL. I am going to then 100% give up on plasma and buy a 4k TV.

post #5979 of 11402
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Originally Posted by sengel View Post

Happy New Year Everyone,

Can anyone who recently purchased an Amazon 65" ZT60 tell me if they are the ones manufactured after August with the fan noise mod already installed? I noticed they only have 35 left in stock.
Thanks for everyone's reply!

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Originally Posted by myared View Post

Same question here... Anyway, mine comes in tomorrow. I purchased it from Amazon on the 22nd. I'll post the manufacture date.


I purchased mine on December 25th, delivered December 31st. October Build
post #5980 of 11402
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Originally Posted by Inseconds99 View Post
 

I am purchasing a 65ZT60 from Magnolia tomorrow. To give some insight I have owned a 60vt60 returned for its inability to perform under bad high ambient light as well as severe IR issues playing my new Xbox One and PS4. I then purchased a 60f8500 which had severe buzzing and dings and dents on the stand right out of the build date Nov. 2013. I returned that unit and got a second one delivered to my house, build date Nov. 2013 same scratches and dings in different spots on the stand and even higher pitched buzzing.

 

I was on the fence on giving up on plasma after owning them for years and go to an f8000, 4k f9000, 4k sony x850 or panasoinc wt600. After doing tons of research and looking at a bunch of the tvs I was sold on the 65f9000 with its upgradeable one connect box. After some more research and some more viewing at Magnolia I realized I just can't own an LED. 

 

I am now purchasing 65ZT60 tomorrow. I am nervous about fan noise and buzzing, if either of these things occur upon delivery I am liable to snap. I just want to finally own a TV that just works correctly. Its been nearly 2 months and I'm still dealing with this defective TV issues. Best Buy doesn't want to keep honoring these returns. If I do get a ZT thats made before August, how effective is the foam repair in comparison of just getting lucky and buying a panel made after August that's preinstalled? 

 

If this panel has any issue with fan noise, buzzing, dings, scratches, pixels, banding, I am liable to freak out LOL. I am going to then 100% give up on plasma and buy a 4k TV.

I can let you know after the 9th when they come and install the foam. I just got mine and did not notice it at all. I read the fan noise thread and turned everything off but the tv. I could barley hear it. I really would not care at all if there was no fix because I never noticed it until standing up close with everything off. Just thought what the hell might as well get the foam to be on the safe side. Mine came from Best Buy last Saturday and was a July build.

post #5981 of 11402
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Originally Posted by Inseconds99 View Post

I am now purchasing 65ZT60 tomorrow. I am nervous about fan noise and buzzing, if either of these things occur upon delivery I am liable to snap. I just want to finally own a TV that just works correctly. Its been nearly 2 months and I'm still dealing with this defective TV issues. Best Buy doesn't want to keep honoring these returns. If I do get a ZT thats made before August, how effective is the foam repair in comparison of just getting lucky and buying a panel made after August that's preinstalled?
Buzzing is pretty rare. Fan noise is more consistent, though not all people take notice or are bothered by it. I have a May build and had the fan fix installed. To be honest, to my ears it wasn't that effective, but then it didn't bother me very much to begin with. (The after-market foam fix should be the same as the factory-installed fix.) I hope you get what you're looking for. Good luck.
post #5982 of 11402
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Originally Posted by ntculenuf View Post


I purchased mine on December 25th, delivered December 31st. October Build


My 65" ZT60 was shipped out today from the Phoenix, AZ Amazon warehouse. Any chance yours was too?
I'm located in NC and would have figured it would ship out from a closer warehouse.
post #5983 of 11402
[quote name="larrygeary" url="/t/1474480/official-z
t60-owners-thread/5970#post_24152356"]
Yes, we are gluttons for punishment. biggrin.gif[/quote]

Oops, Freudian slip? Or just reality?

But really, I went to see the IMAX DoS in 3D in Colorado Springs. Maybe just the IMAX here is poor, but the black levels were in the LCD quality range. Almost wanted to leave the theater and just wait for the BR. Gosh, is OLED is near death, we all may need to get boned. LOL
post #5984 of 11402
At this point I'm not here to bash my calibrator or call anyone out who is well respected. I just was curious as to why my new settings were so different form Sound and Visions and Cnet's for example. I know no 2 sets are equal but I was really hoping for a bigger , more noticeable difference. Especially with my gaming system like I had mentioned.
post #5985 of 11402
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Originally Posted by skoor View Post

It sounds like when the Panasonic family, you have decided on the ZT over the VT primarily due to the bonded panel. Did you notice much difference in the panels overall brightness on the bonded ZT vs the VT? Thanks

Honestly brightness-wise I did not notice a difference, but my room has two big windows with blinds on them. So while plenty of light comes in that room, it's tempered by the blinds. What the ZT does do very well with is really low reflectivity by the combination of bonded panel AND the better AR coating.
post #5986 of 11402
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Originally Posted by cwall1313 View Post

This BB had the VT60 positioned directly above the ZT65 with the same movie playing, Fast and Furious 6. I can't say that I saw a tremendous difference in the picture, had him put both on THX Cinema, but the reflection difference was very pronounced. They had overhead lights aimed at both tv's. The VT reflected the lights severely while you had to look for them in the ZT. My buddy who was with me even commented on it before I told him about the filter.

It seems that we went to the same Best Buy wink.gif. After discovering issues with my original ZT, I briefly considered replacing it with VT. I went to my local Best Buy, and they had 65 inch VT directly above 65 inch ZT. I could not see much difference in the brightness or blacks, but the reflections difference was very apparent to me. As the result, I decided to get another ZT as the replacement.
post #5987 of 11402
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Originally Posted by Metlore View Post

it fades quickly in under a minute.

Wow. That has not at all been my experience on either the VT or ZT I had. Not saying you're observation isn't correct. But I could watch something else for hours and still not have the previous hours' worth of logo impression go away. In fact, I would end up at a point where I had a mish-mash of "HGTV" and the Velocity "V" mashed together after a while. If I then used the zoom mode for at least another 12-15 hours it would all eventually disappear. But certainly not minutes. And this was two different sized panels (55 and 60) and two different series that exhibited identical behavior in THX mode (I wasn't blasting them in torch mode or anything). The only thing I can not say for certain is whether both were over 100 hours. I know the VT certainly was, and the ZT had to have been very close if not over.

I experienced image retention on both my original ZT and the replacement ZT. My original ZT had 250 hours before I returned it. My current ZT has 440 hours. I use THX Cinema mode with the default settings since I have not calibrated the set yet. As someone mentioned earlier, bright white logos/game huds are the quickest to cause image retention. For example, I did 3-4 hours daily gaming sessions over the holidays (4 days total, back to back, and the same game). I had to stop playing the game due to IR. IR was visible during Screen Wipe or against lighter backgrounds. It took 2 days of full screen content watching and running Screen Wipe to get rid of the IR. Keep in mind that I also watched plenty of full screen content between the gaming sessions on these 4 days.

I am not convinced that panel variance is the main cause for the variable reports on IR in this thread. In my opinion, the tv's usage patterns and the people who just do not notice IR are more likely explanation.
post #5988 of 11402

Hi all!

 

I am anxiously awaiting the delivery of my 65" ZT on Tuesday and was wondering about proper break-in procedures? I of course want to prolong the longevity of the set while at the same time stave off IR / burn-in as much as possible (this thread is scaring me... :( ) Any tips would be much appreciated!

 

KJ

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Probably a stupid question but I've had my 65ZT60 for 6 days now and have 29 hours on it trying to play as much full content HD channels as possible.

Now reading how everyone is using Dnice's slides to age the TV in, would it hurt for me to run the slides for the 100 hours now? I'm not planning on using his settings but like the idea how everyone is talking about how it ages the phosphors in the TV properly.

I don't want to hurt my TV but if it will help age my TV better then I'm down with running the slides.

 

Any advice is welcomed?

Thank you


Edited by Luckyzl230 - 1/3/14 at 6:14am
post #5990 of 11402
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Originally Posted by sengel View Post

My 65" ZT60 was shipped out today from the Phoenix, AZ Amazon warehouse. Any chance yours was too?
I'm located in NC and would have figured it would ship out from a closer warehouse.

Yup yup, mine was shipped from the phoenix warehouse as well.
post #5991 of 11402
You are looking for a perfect tv.....they don't exist. Realize that and you'll be a lot happier. The ZT isn't perfect but it's about as close as anything made to date. Relax and enjoy it. smile.gif
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Its getting better and brighter...220 hours. And really close to my Kuro :)))

post #5993 of 11402
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Originally Posted by KalJer View Post

Hi all!

I am anxiously awaiting the delivery of my 65" ZT on Tuesday and was wondering about proper break-in procedures? I of course want to prolong the longevity of the set while at the same time stave off IR / burn-in as much as possible (this thread is scaring me... frown.gif ) Any tips would be much appreciated!

KJ
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Originally Posted by Luckyzl230 View Post

Probably a stupid question but I've had my 65ZT60 for 6 days now and have 29 hours on it trying to play as much full content HD channels as possible.
Now reading how everyone is using Dnice's slides to age the TV in, would it hurt for me to run the slides for the 100 hours now? I'm not planning on using his settings but like the idea how everyone is talking about how it ages the phosphors in the TV properly.
I don't want to hurt my TV but if it will help age my TV better then I'm down with running the slides.

Any advice is welcomed?
Thank you
The slides were designed with calibration in mind, not the prevention of image retention, but the TV's phosphors have a bit of a "learning curve" when it's new. To accelerate through this break-in period some people use slides--they're easy and reliable--but some others just run full screen content. The two methods yield what is effectively the same result. And whether the TV is new or old, because it's a plasma it can be prone to image retention. So over the life of the TV you are (unfortunately) going to need to be mindful of the content you display, but you needn't be fanatical. Remember why you bought the TV--to use it and enjoy it. That's the reason we're all here.
post #5994 of 11402
Amazon update: Only one 65" left in stock and it's being sourced from Paul's TV.
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Thanks, so I guess I'll just keep running full HD content with no black bars till 200-300 hours. Usually that's been HBO at night when were asleep.

post #5996 of 11402
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Originally Posted by SwiftSweeper View Post

I experienced image retention on both my original ZT and the replacement ZT. My original ZT had 250 hours before I returned it. My current ZT has 440 hours. I use THX Cinema mode with the default settings since I have not calibrated the set yet. As someone mentioned earlier, bright white logos/game huds are the quickest to cause image retention. For example, I did 3-4 hours daily gaming sessions over the holidays (4 days total, back to back, and the same game). I had to stop playing the game due to IR. IR was visible during Screen Wipe or against lighter backgrounds. It took 2 days of full screen content watching and running Screen Wipe to get rid of the IR. Keep in mind that I also watched plenty of full screen content between the gaming sessions on these 4 days.

I am not convinced that panel variance is the main cause for the variable reports on IR in this thread. In my opinion, the tv's usage patterns and the people who just do not notice IR are more likely explanation.

It was probably was me who was talking about bright white logos or game HUD's. I'd like to say again that not every logo or game HUD will produce the long duration IR, only the bright white or overly bright objects will do this. Out of curiosity, what game were you playing that caused the IR?

There are some posts from people saying that they get IR and it's gone in minutes. My set does this as well as in I can see things stick and then quickly vanish. It all depends on how bright or white the object is that determines whether or not it fades quickly or sticks for a long time.

I'd also like to add that running the pixel flipper or other means to try and speed up the process of eliminating the long duration IR doesn't seem to get rid of it entirely. As on observation, the only thing it seems to do is diminish it enough to where it is not visible over content and very hard to notice. I'd say it can get rid of up to 99 % of the IR, but I have yet to see any of the long duration IR completely go away.

I agree with you 100 percent on the variance thing. IMHO I feel it's just a matter of what is perceived to be an "issue" and like you said usage patterns. To me it's kind of like the 9G kuro DSE. I myself never saw a single panel that didn't have it yet others claimed to have DSE free panels or not notice it. On a positive note (yay), I feel that the VT/ZT are much much better in regards to DSE compared to the 9G kuros, at least the panels I've seen. These panels aren't DSE free (none are), but I have seen much worse.
post #5997 of 11402
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Originally Posted by KalJer View Post

Hi all!

I am anxiously awaiting the delivery of my 65" ZT on Tuesday and was wondering about proper break-in procedures? I of course want to prolong the longevity of the set while at the same time stave off IR / burn-in as much as possible (this thread is scaring me... frown.gif ) Any tips would be much appreciated!

KJ

I'm also awaiting a Tuesday delivery. I've decided to skip the slides and instead run HBO 24/7 until I have a sufficient number of hours on the set. I will use the slides at first, and then periodically, to look for bad pixels and screen uniformity issues. My reasoning is that almost every set has a vertical band 2"-3" from the right side, and I have a hypothesis that this is a form of IR created during the factory burn-in of the panel. Moving images should help it go away faster. On the other hand, the slides may be causing the panel more stress than normal content, and they don't cause IR to fade, so they may be more trouble than they're worth.
post #5998 of 11402
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Originally Posted by larrygeary View Post


I'm also awaiting a Tuesday delivery. I've decided to skip the slides and instead run HBO 24/7 until I have a sufficient number of hours on the set. I will use the slides at first, and then periodically, to look for bad pixels and screen uniformity issues. My reasoning is that almost every set has a vertical band 2"-3" from the right side, and I have a hypothesis that this is a form of IR created during the factory burn-in of the panel. Moving images should help it go away faster. On the other hand, the slides may be causing the panel more stress than normal content, and they don't cause IR to fade, so they may be more trouble than they're worth.


So you're running slides or you're running HBO?

 

Is the concept here to not use / watch the TV at all for the first few hundred hours if you run slides? Or just run slides at night while sleeping?

post #5999 of 11402
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Originally Posted by KalJer View Post


So you're running slides or you're running HBO?

Is the concept here to not use / watch the TV at all for the first few hundred hours if you run slides? Or just run slides at night while sleeping?

I'll check the screen with slides but otherwise run HBO continually to age the panel. The idea is to avoid logos, static images, and letterboxed content during the break-in period. I don't think we really know whether the panels are more susceptible to IR during the initial few hundred hours or not, but avoiding these things can't hurt.
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Originally Posted by SwiftSweeper View Post

I experienced image retention on both my original ZT and the replacement ZT. My original ZT had 250 hours before I returned it. My current ZT has 440 hours. I use THX Cinema mode with the default settings since I have not calibrated the set yet. As someone mentioned earlier, bright white logos/game huds are the quickest to cause image retention. For example, I did 3-4 hours daily gaming sessions over the holidays (4 days total, back to back, and the same game). I had to stop playing the game due to IR. IR was visible during Screen Wipe or against lighter backgrounds. It took 2 days of full screen content watching and running Screen Wipe to get rid of the IR. Keep in mind that I also watched plenty of full screen content between the gaming sessions on these 4 days.

I am not convinced that panel variance is the main cause for the variable reports on IR in this thread. In my opinion, the tv's usage patterns and the people who just do not notice IR are more likely explanation.

It was probably was me who was talking about bright white logos or game HUD's. I'd like to say again that not every logo or game HUD will produce the long duration IR, only the bright white or overly bright objects will do this. Out of curiosity, what game were you playing that caused the IR?

There are some posts from people saying that they get IR and it's gone in minutes. My set does this as well as in I can see things stick and then quickly vanish. It all depends on how bright or white the object is that determines whether or not it fades quickly or sticks for a long time.

I'd also like to add that running the pixel flipper or other means to try and speed up the process of eliminating the long duration IR doesn't seem to get rid of it entirely. As on observation, the only thing it seems to do is diminish it enough to where it is not visible over content and very hard to notice. I'd say it can get rid of up to 99 % of the IR, but I have yet to see any of the long duration IR completely go away.

I agree with you 100 percent on the variance thing. IMHO I feel it's just a matter of what is perceived to be an "issue" and like you said usage patterns. To me it's kind of like the 9G kuro DSE. I myself never saw a single panel that didn't have it yet others claimed to have DSE free panels or not notice it. On a positive note (yay), I feel that the VT/ZT are much much better in regards to DSE compared to the 9G kuros, at least the panels I've seen. These panels aren't DSE free (none are), but I have seen much worse.

The game is Assassin's Creed: Black Flag on PS4. The hud elements that caused the most IR were the Wi Fi indicator (the worst offender) and the heath idicator. Both of these elements are bright white color (the Wi Fi indicator is the brightest). The hud's mini map did not to cause as much IR as these two.

It would be great if more game developers gave us the option to set hud opacity/brightness. It is like they do not want me to play their games!
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