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I took a pic with the exposure set to the highest and ISO on 100 on my snap and shoot and set the timer for 12 seconds




The backlight owns this display. That along with the Studio Master Panel and the Ultimate Black filter equals super dark black levels
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Heres a pic with two pot lights on in the room. You can see the back pot light is on causing the white reflection in the top left corner of the screen just like the other picture I posted. And the hallway lights are off.

See the screen and how pitch black it is? No other plasma tv or LED tv can accomplish this in direct ambient light

I dont know if its just the filter or the filter and the air gapless tech but Panasonic made something incredibly beautiful...they really pushed the bar on the ZT

post #7533 of 11380
That setup looks quite epic. I wouldn't put an ambient light up personally, but that looks rather slick.
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I am interested in giving the ambient light a try. Can you guys post some links for the ones you like? Thanks!
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I am interested in giving the ambient light a try. Can you guys post some links for the ones you like? Thanks!

This is the bias light I use. It's great. It has the right color temperature so it doesn't skew your perception of the colors on screen.

http://www.cinemaquestinc.com/ideal_lumesb.htm



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post #7536 of 11380
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Originally Posted by music_to_my_ear View Post

Ive havent heard of this tech used in the Pioneer Elite Kuros....from what I understand about the Air Gapless tech is its used only when there are two panes of glass used to give the illusion of the single sheet of glass look. As far as I know Panasonic has been the only company to use that design look so I wouldnt be to sure of Pioneer needing
I dont think the Elite has anything similar to the Air Gapless tech used in the ZT60....You need to have a display that suffers from an air gap between two panes of glass to benefit from the Air Gapless tech.

The pioneer elites didnt have a sheet of glass on the front of the panel to give the "One sheet of glass" look.

I dont think the Elite has anything similar to the Air Gapless tech used in the ZT60...

I see where the confusion is coming from. Pioneer touted "one sheet of glass" as a feature on their OWN page years ago. In fact, they even talk about their own form of glass bonding. If they say one sheet, I say one sheet and the benefit ultimately touted is the same.

"Most plasma screens employ two front sheets of glass, creating secondary reflections at some viewing angels. Pioneer developed a patented color filter which is bonded directly to the first surface glass, allowing this display to use just one sheet of glass. The result is superior contrast even in brighter environments."

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/portal/site/EC/template.MAXIMIZE/login/?javax.portlet.tpst=a0c6546f67a0fafb28290b1052768a0c_ws_MX&javax.portlet.prp_a0c6546f67a0fafb28290b1052768a0c_viewID=introductionview&javax.portlet.begCacheTok=com.vignette.cachetoken&javax.portlet.endCacheTok=com.vignette.cachetoken

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According the Panasonic engineers who created the ZT60 the main purpose of the AGL was to create the ultimate picture quality by removing the air gap between the two panes of glass. They believed the air gap was causing double images and other aritfacts.

Here is a quote from one the engineers who worked on the AGL tech:

In my opinion we're skewing far afield into the world of semantics at this point. If "one sheet" results in the "ultimate picture quality", then the Pioneer was clearly already there with one sheet, just sunken beneath the bezel. The Panasonic is one flush sheet. In my opinion the Panasonic's *flush* sheet of glass design creates an illusion that produces more pop to the image and almost makes the image appear to "float" in mid-air. When combined with the ultra thin bezel and the Panasonic's superior employment of anti-glare technologies, perhaps there is a more enjoyable picture in some cases (it does to me). But did they "create" better PQ through AGL in an attempt to make it one sheet? Not really, they just ADDED a piece of glass and then made it look nicer through AGL.

AGL bonds that EXTRA sheet to the PDP to make it seem like the PDP becomes a single pane across the front of the TV. It has no technical benefit, but creates an *illusion* that does have a benefit for those of us who like the look it achieves. The irony of all that is that the VT would seem to be the only TV at a (minor) disadvantage here as one of the few, or perhaps the only high end PDP that even has an extra sheet WITH an air gap this year.

NOW... As for that light filter... I thought the VT60 and F8500 both had this? I thought this was the aspect that causes the dimming effect when you get off the "sweet spot" and end up over or under a certain angle on the display. I know for sure the F8500 does this, I don't actually remember if the VT does or not. *If* in-fact the F8500 and VT also have the light filter, then it ultimately means that the only thing AGL ultimately achieves, is making the image flush with the frame. And that's not to diminish AGL's importance, but to narrow down exactly what the benefit is in answering David's original observation, i.e...

1. Pioneer is also one sheet of glass, with NO filter (only a coating), but sunken within the bezel.

2. VT60 has the light filter (?) and A/R coating, but has to make due with an air gap to achieve a "one sheet look". Extra layer of glass works against you here in terms of ultimate PQ.

3. F8500 is one sheet sunken within the bezel like Pioneer, AND has its own implementation of the same type of light filter.

4. ST60 is most like the Pioneer. With an Anti-glare coating, and what appears to be a single sheet of glass design sunken within a bezel. On a side-note, the more I examine the differences between all these TVs, the more the ST60 really stands out as a spectacular value of the year. I probably would have chosen this over a VT had I not been dead set on a ZT.

5. I remembered that I noticed a halo effect on LGs. I just realized that this is because they use older dual pane designs (likely what Pioneer was referring to in *their* press release) and worse yet, employ NO A/R coating to combat external light sources. This is really the worst of all possible scenarios, and you get what you pay for there.

6. Finally, ZT60 has the light filter, has the A/R coating, and by way of AGL *extends* the benefit of one-sheet of glass design to a completely flush appearance.

PHEW.
Edited by Playdrv4me - 1/24/14 at 5:52am
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Originally Posted by music_to_my_ear View Post

I took a picture of what I see.

Cool, what are the speakers!

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Wanted to ask again before it gets too lost in posts...

Along audio sync lines...I had a Sony sound bar hooked up to the ZT via ARC HDMI and all worked very well.  I could use my Directv remote to control the ZT audio volume from the Directv receiver, as well as the BD player I had hooked up to the ZT, via HDMI.  Question is, if I get a sound bar that uses only optical input, will I have that same control, using the Directv remote?  Hope I'm explaining this correctly.

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Why did Panasonic stop making Plasma they could have manufactured and sold more ZT60 for one more year to recoup their investment. They did'n't need to change anything maybe the fans the screen is perfect!

 

Also a 70" would have been nice, I might have replaced my front projection!

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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Why did Panasonic stop making Plasma they could have manufactured and sold more ZT60 for one more year to recoup their investment. They did'n't need to change anything maybe the fans the screen is perfect!

Also a 70" would have been nice, I might have replaced my front projection!

I don't get that either. They could have kept the entire ST/VT/ZT line active and sold them at least through 2014. It would seem like a no brainer to keep selling such well reviewed panels, especially with no R&D costs associated with trying to make improvements on new models.
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Originally Posted by derekarita View Post

Wanted to ask again before it gets too lost in posts...
Along audio sync lines...I had a Sony sound bar hooked up to the ZT via ARC HDMI and all worked very well.  I could use my Directv remote to control the ZT audio volume from the Directv receiver, as well as the BD player I had hooked up to the ZT, via HDMI.  Question is, if I get a sound bar that uses only optical input, will I have that same control, using the Directv remote?  Hope I'm explaining this correctly.
ARC only controls devices attached via HDMI. If you send audio out of the TV to a sound bar via optical you lose any such control. So if you have a Blu-ray play and DirecTV receiver hooked up to the ZT you can control those thanks to "HDMI control" (aka Viera Link) but if the audio is being sent out of the TV to a sound bar with optical, you'd have to control the volume on that sound bar with a separate remote, unless the DirecTV remote can be programmed to allow for separate volume control.
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If you lose money on every unit sold selling more units just means you're losing more money.
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

If you lose money on every unit sold selling more units just means you're losing more money.

Beat me to it.

Also, they're flying off the shelves NOW but let's be honest, that's the enthusiast community scrambling to get every one they can AFTER the official announcement. I know plenty here have made the statement that they may not even have had plans to replace their current TVs until they heard Panny was going away then everyone suddenly sprang into action. So that just would have meant more inventory to sit around another year.
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View PostIf you lose money on every unit sold selling more units just means you're losing more money.

I think that their R&D cost would have been covered if they had been willing to sell the TV without any modification for a couple more years!  They gave the lame excuse that 4K was not possible for plasma! Who cares about 4K unless your screen is 100" wide!

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Originally Posted by vantagesc View Post

This is the bias light I use. It's great. It has the right color temperature so it doesn't skew your perception of the colors on screen.

http://www.cinemaquestinc.com/ideal_lumesb.htm



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I would like to add either this one or the cheaper Antec alternative. If I go with the one you have, do I need to order two of these for the 65" ZT and connect them, or is one enough?
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ARC only controls devices attached via HDMI. If you send audio out of the TV to a sound bar via optical you lose any such control. So if you have a Blu-ray play and DirecTV receiver hooked up to the ZT you can control those thanks to "HDMI control" (aka Viera Link) but if the audio is being sent out of the TV to a sound bar with optical, you'd have to control the volume on that sound bar with a separate remote, unless the DirecTV remote can be programmed to allow for separate volume control.


Thanks...exactly what I wanted to know.  The wife wants one remote and doesn't want to have to switch functions on it...what can I say...we're seniors.  At any rate, it's tough to find budget sound bars with HDMI hookups, but I guess that's what I need.

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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I think that their R&D cost would have been covered if they had been willing to sell the TV without any modification for a couple more years!  They gave the lame excuse that 4K was not possible for plasma! Who cares about 4K unless your screen is 100" wide!
Oh, I agree that they should continue to produce the 60 lineup even without devoting any R&D to further developments and I agree that the 4k tech is absurd, but if they're losing money per unit--who knows how R&D is calculated in that--then it's not viable to continue production.
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Originally Posted by derekarita View Post


Thanks...exactly what I wanted to know.  The wife wants one remote and doesn't want to have to switch functions on it...what can I say...we're seniors.  At any rate, it's tough to find budget sound bars with HDMI hookups, but I guess that's what I need.
The Harmony 650 universal remote is only $60 at Best Buy. If the optical sound bar is compatible with this you can use just one remote. There would be two Activities--DirectV and Blu-ray movies--and the volume would be the same for both. Or if you're in the market for a sound bar check Woot. They have a bunch of refurb sound bars and 2.1 options on the cheap.
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

Oh, I agree that they should continue to produce the 60 lineup even without devoting any R&D to further developments and I agree that the 4k tech is absurd, but if they're losing money per unit--who knows how R&D is calculated in that--then it's not viable to continue production.

Plasmas were produced in one factory and the cost of keeping the production line open was prohibitive - for an assembly line to be cost effective you have to sell X amount of units - not enough units were being sold - 'Bleeding Cash"
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Originally Posted by Playdrv4me View Post


Beat me to it.

Also, they're flying off the shelves NOW but let's be honest, that's the enthusiast community scrambling to get every one they can AFTER the official announcement. I know plenty here have made the statement that they may not even have had plans to replace their current TVs until they heard Panny was going away then everyone suddenly sprang into action. So that just would have meant more inventory to sit around another year.

Yes. That would me me.... I was not planning on replacing my current Panasonic Plasma until I knew that they were going to stop making them, and knowing that they came out with the "Reference TV".

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Originally Posted by puch96 View Post

Yes. That would me me.... I was not planning on replacing my current Panasonic Plasma until I knew that they were going to stop making them, and knowing that they came out with the "Reference TV".

Me Too - I was waiting for the 70" - had a Samsung PN63C7000 & was reasonably happy - BUT - became now or never!!!!

Remember the KURO and he who hesitates is lost!
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I would like to add either this one or the cheaper Antec alternative. If I go with the one you have, do I need to order two of these for the 65" ZT and connect them, or is one enough?

One is fine, though mine is stand mounted. Not sure about for wall mounted sets.


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One is fine, though mine is stand mounted. Not sure about for wall mounted sets.


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My ZT will be on a stand and similar to yours. How did you install it to the back of the ZT? Does it come with something like 3M adhesive/tape? Thanks!
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

If you lose money on every unit sold selling more units just means you're losing more money.
That is one theory, however why would you slash the price when you know they would sell ? Dealer's do not just slash to the super prices they where at, there must have been big Panasonic price cuts as well.

One other theory is, that the plant was so efficient that Panasonic could not sell enough units, they where over producing, there for killing the price. With this said you think they could cut shifts, to cut back production. Who knows, then the plant might not be worth running at a that point.

Seeing they where making plasma's for nearly 10 years you would think at some point there where profitable.......We will never know for sure...... frown.gif
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Originally Posted by puch96 View Post

Yes. That would me me.... I was not planning on replacing my current Panasonic Plasma until I knew that they were going to stop making them, and knowing that they came out with the "Reference TV".

Same here. Was happy with my 54" V10. But thanks to Sound and Vision magazine, I recently learned Panasonic was getting out of the plasma business. I'm may be $2300 poorer, but immensely satisfied with my ZT60. I may have missed the Kuro boat, but not this one!
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Pretty sure that the R&D for 2014 was already done when the plug was pulled.
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Originally Posted by music_to_my_ear View Post

I took a picture of what I see.

Please tell me your using a protector cover on your speaker feet while resting on your hardwood floors!!!!!
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Originally Posted by elmorage View Post

I don't get that either. They could have kept the entire ST/VT/ZT line active and sold them at least through 2014. It would seem like a no brainer to keep selling such well reviewed panels, especially with no R&D costs associated with trying to make improvements on new models.
Don't get it, either. Sony did that exact thing when I bought a XBR55HX929 in 2011 when the 929 was carried over into 2012 and it wasn't until the 950 came out did it get replaced in 2013.
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One is fine, though mine is stand mounted. Not sure about for wall mounted sets.

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My ZT will be on a stand and similar to yours. How did you install it to the back of the ZT? Does it come with something like 3M adhesive/tape? Thanks!

Zip ties using the vent holes. Use the bottom most holes on the higher vents so as to not block any air flow. You use one zip tie around the hole to make sort of a loop. And then another zip tie to hang the lamp off of that loop. I suppose you could only use one zip tie per side but I didn't want to block any of the vent. Here's a pic from my pz85u.

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Edited by vantagesc - 1/24/14 at 3:52pm
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I agree that Panasonic should have made the ST/VT/ZT line for one more year and made slight variations on what was sold in 2013. Obviously the fan fix but also to delineate it from the prior year they could have matte blacked the silver bezel around the edge and done minor things like integrate led backlighting on the back of the set (to reflect from the wall). They could have produced for six more months and had another year to sell them off. The ZT line could have also been upgraded to have been "broken in" (much like the fellows at Value Electronics do for a fee). However, their announcement did get me off the fence to replace my 50" PZ800U that has worked flawlessly for years.

 

My set should arrive Monday from BB. Is there anyone who can measure the distance between the two wall hanger mounts on the back of the 60" ZT, please? I am wondering if my 55" Sanus mount needs to be replaced or if the hanger arms for the new set will fit in there okay. The mount is overly attached to the wall and I'd like to use it if at all possible. TIA

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