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Originally Posted by vantagesc View Post

I was able to dial it in perfectly (just the right brightness, great uniformity around the set) for my 50" 85PZU, so the shutter adjustment should be good enough for a bigger set. Will play with it this weekend and post a picture.

I personally avoided the rope light idea because I wanted a perfectly neutral 6500k color temperature lamp. The rope lights at my local Home Depot were VERY yellow (YMMV). Pay all that money for a calibration and then screw up color perception by using a yellow lamp. Eeek.

The Antec bias light does NOT have a perfectly neutral color temperature like the Ideal Lume light. However, in the pictures posted online, it looks fairly neutral and I'm not sure how much of a difference it makes in practice. Especially if your wall is not a neutral shade.

My Antec bias light is looks a lot like the light reflecting off of the floor, from the window, in ArcticHaze's post (bottom left corner of the pic). White, with a very slight push towards blue, if at all. Its a lot like those lamps which are supposed to mimic "sunlight" for your office, etc. I mainly like my because it does not produce that "halo" look around the set. Not sure if that's the way its "supposed" to look, but I find that with the uniform brightness on the wall, its much easier on "my" eyes, while also providing enough ambient lighting for a darkened room.
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If anyone wants to do further reading on this, apparently having a light that is 6500k is not the only consideration to having a perfectly neutral bias light. For the super OCD / anal only!

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1343528/is-this-a-cheap-alternative-to-the-ideal-lume

I won't be checking the color of my walls any time soon. biggrin.gif
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Thanks guys. The pics look great. I'm going to play around with my ideal-lume and see if I can adjust it just a bit. I may end up ordering the Antec to try as well, but we'll see.

Regarding video processing with the ZT again, last night I turned the video processor in my Pio AVR to off so that the ZT does all of the processing. Well, while watching DirecTV, I pushed the "INFO" button on my ZT remote and it said that the video was 1080i. Does that mean that the video feed from the DirecTV box is 1080i (which would make sense since DTV is 1080i and 720p), or does that mean that the image being produced on the ZT is 1080i? I thought that the ZT would upscale everything to 1080p..? Then again, I'm sort of a novice at this stuff and likely have no clue what I'm talking about.
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Originally Posted by ClemsonChad View Post

Thanks guys. The pics look great. I'm going to play around with my ideal-lume and see if I can adjust it just a bit. I may end up ordering the Antec to try as well, but we'll see.

Regarding video processing with the ZT again, last night I turned the video processor in my Pio AVR to off so that the ZT does all of the processing. Well, while watching DirecTV, I pushed the "INFO" button on my ZT remote and it said that the video was 1080i. Does that mean that the video feed from the DirecTV box is 1080i (which would make sense since DTV is 1080i and 720p), or does that mean that the image being produced on the ZT is 1080i? I thought that the ZT would upscale everything to 1080p..? Then again, I'm sort of a novice at this stuff and likely have no clue what I'm talking about.

It means that the DirectTV box is outputting 1080i. However, if your DirecTV native setting is "off", then the DirectTV box may be scaling a 720p signal to 1080i (depending on what channel you are watching). As discussed in this thread, setting native to "on" will make sure the DirectTV box is doing the minimal amount of processing, but it will cause a longer delay when changing channels.
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Originally Posted by vantagesc View Post

It means that the DirectTV box is outputting 1080i. However, if your DirecTV native setting is "off", then the DirectTV box may be scaling a 720p signal to 1080i (depending on what channel you are watching). As discussed in this thread, setting native to "on" will make sure the DirectTV box is doing the minimal amount of processing, but it will cause a longer delay when changing channels.

That's what I thought. I had my DTV box set to native, but I'll confirm tonight and go with that approach even if it takes slightly longer to change the channel. Thanks for the clarification.
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Originally Posted by bozebuttons View Post

Did you use one or 2 strips ,Where did you place the strip? I have 2 coming from amazon for my 65zt.
My 65 zt is wall mounted.

You will just need one. Two will be too bright and distracting. I recommend buying blue painters tape as well and mark the back of the TV after you do all your measurements and use this as a guide. You can peel it off and it won't leave any residue.

I placed mine on the upper middle of the screen. If you look behind the TV mine is sitting right on top of the highest sticker that you can find.
post #8077 of 11447
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Originally Posted by jdsmoooth View Post

I have an opportunity to purchase a floor model 65". ZT60 with 335 hours on it for $2800. I currently own a 65S64. My first plasma. From what I understand these sets will produce night and day results comparatively speaking. The TV would be in a light comtrolled room. When it comes to picture quality can I expect to see a large difference? I have to pull the trigger by 12:00 tomorrow. Thanks.
I also have a 2013 model 65" S64 that I'm very happy with. But to answer your question about is there a big difference in picture quality between the S64 and the ZT60: Yes!!! The S64 has a very good picture in its own right, but my new TC-P60ZT60 has an awesome picture even before calibration. I think you'll be amazed at the difference.
oldsteve
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Originally Posted by ArcticHaze View Post

You will just need one. Two will be too bright and distracting. I recommend buying blue painters tape as well and mark the back of the TV after you do all your measurements and use this as a guide. You can peel it off and it won't leave any residue.

I placed mine on the upper middle of the screen. If you look behind the TV mine is sitting right on top of the highest sticker that you can find.


Thanks I bought it from amazon & can return one, I ordered 2 because some of the reviews suggested getting 2 because 1 wasn't bright enough.
post #8079 of 11447
So it sounds like you still calibrate to a gamma target of 2.4 for a dark room with a bias light. Along those same lines, do you bump up contrast due to the eye strain relief? If so, how much? I noticed you can't really clip any colors or whites even on max settings so I don't think that would be an issue.
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Originally Posted by ClemsonChad View Post

Thanks guys. The pics look great. I'm going to play around with my ideal-lume and see if I can adjust it just a bit. I may end up ordering the Antec to try as well, but we'll see.

Regarding video processing with the ZT again, last night I turned the video processor in my Pio AVR to off so that the ZT does all of the processing. Well, while watching DirecTV, I pushed the "INFO" button on my ZT remote and it said that the video was 1080i. Does that mean that the video feed from the DirecTV box is 1080i (which would make sense since DTV is 1080i and 720p), or does that mean that the image being produced on the ZT is 1080i? I thought that the ZT would upscale everything to 1080p..? Then again, I'm sort of a novice at this stuff and likely have no clue what I'm talking about.

Means the incoming signal is 1080i (or 720P) No plasma TV can display a 1080i (or 480i) signal - only can display the P signal (progressive scan 1080p) you see the whole picture @ one time and not the combining of two scans (interlaced) that is why it's called deinterlacing! GOOGLE this - very interesting to read - old CRT's required two scans to produce the picture.
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

So it sounds like you still calibrate to a gamma target of 2.4 for a dark room with a bias light. Along those same lines, do you bump up contrast due to the eye strain relief? If so, how much? I noticed you can't really clip any colors or whites even on max settings so I don't think that would be an issue.

The contrast and the level of your bias light go hand in hand. They need to be in a relative balance so that you don't get eyestrain. To accomplish this, I use the Joe Kane DVE calibration disc and there's a useful test pattern in it as described below. The test pattern shows 10% peak white square on your TV screen and then you essentially match the light output of your bias light to that 10% square. I just do it by eye too and it works pretty well.
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Originally Posted by dovercat View Post

According to Joe Kane DVE test disc reference for maximum ambient light test pattern and guide the maximum surround brightness should be 10% of the peak white. CinemaQuest also say "SMPTE recommends the level (brightness) of ambient lighting should be no greater than 10% of the brightest white produced in the video image on the display"


SMPTE RP166 recommends a white level of 120 nits (35fL) with an ambient light level

So max 10% according to the SMPTE standard, maybe 12-17% using the EBU white level and possibly 15% in practice and according to the ITU.

It's hard to answer your question re whether you can increase the contrast because I don't know how low you have it set to start.
Edited by vantagesc - 1/31/14 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by oldsteve View Post


I also have a 2013 model 65" S64 that I'm very happy with. But to answer your question about is there a big difference in picture quality between the S64 and the ZT60: Yes!!! The S64 has a very good picture in its own right, but my new TC-P60ZT60 has an awesome picture even before calibration. I think you'll be amazed at the difference.
oldsteve

It's nice to hear from someone who has both.  Three grand, to me, is a premium to spend. So  I was hoping someone would chime in that has spent time with both.  Thanks

post #8083 of 11447
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Originally Posted by Chrisg101TV View Post
 

Good Day, I was wondering if anyone else has issues connecting a Hard Drive to a ZT 60 or 65 to watch content?

 

I have a 3 Terabyte WD USB 3.0 hard drive that I have connected to it and it will not recognize it.

 

Is there something that needs to be turned on within the settings?

 

 

tx 

Any help regarding this issue guys?

 

I  can't be the only one. thanks

post #8084 of 11447
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Originally Posted by Chrisg101TV View Post

Any help regarding this issue guys?

I  can't be the only one. thanks
Is there a size limitation that the ZT60 can read?
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Probably needs to bee formatted in FAT 32
post #8086 of 11447
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Originally Posted by Chrisg101TV View Post

Any help regarding this issue guys?

I  can't be the only one. thanks

You may be the only one actually. What video player do you use to watch those videos on a pc?
post #8087 of 11447
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Originally Posted by jdsmoooth View Post

It's nice to hear from someone who has both.  Three grand, to me, is a premium to spend. So  I was hoping someone would chime in that has spent time with both.  Thanks
I think the ST60 is a nice step up from the S64 and the ZT60 is in another class of it's own. I can see someone maybe deciding between an ST60, VT60 and ZT60 but I wouldn't really throw in the S64 with those guys. Still a decent TV for the money but just not in the same class.
Edited by eric3316 - 1/31/14 at 2:51pm
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Thanks Bob Brennan and Vantagesc for your responses.

I set my TIVO to "PASS THROUGH" 480p, 720p and 1080i to the TV.

This will let the TV do the scaling and any required deinterlacing, etc.

Dave
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I think the ST60 is a nice step up from the S60 and the ZT60 is in another class of it's own. I can see someone maybe deciding between an ST60, VT60 and ZT60 but I wouldn't really throw in the S64 with those guys. Still a decent TV for the money but just not in the same class.

ZT60 are long gone frown.gif
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Originally Posted by cheridave View Post

Thanks Bob Brennan and Vantagesc for your responses.

I set my TIVO to "PASS THROUGH" 480p, 720p and 1080i to the TV.

This will let the TV do the scaling and any required deinterlacing, etc.

Dave
I have my cable box set to native so the TV can do the up-scaling but I am curious to know if I did not have it set that way if one can actually notice the difference with it on or off. In the past tried it a couple of times and couldn't really tell but didn't spend enough time evaluating it. You would also need to watch the same content with it on and off to really compare so I have always just taken everyone's word for it and kept it at native.
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Originally Posted by Axxion View Post

Heres 2 more of the antec light with my ZTs


That lighting looks perfect for me, I ordered that same bias lighting from Amazon 2 days ago for my 65vt60. The brightness bothers my eyes at night even though my set is at 33fl, I cant wait to test the lighting in person, also the increased visual contrast should be a plus.
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Do you think Panasonic/ZT will ever get HBOGo?  Could it happen in an update or is there more to it than that?

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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I have my cable box set to native so the TV can do the up-scaling but I am curious to know if I did not have it set that way if one can actually notice the difference with it on or off. In the past tried it a couple of times and couldn't really tell but didn't spend enough time evaluating it. You would also need to watch the same content with it on and off to really compare so I have always just taken everyone's word for it and kept it at native.

You may have a good point there, I just don't know.

In your spare time go ahead and experiment.

Good luck.......

Dave
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I just don't think this is worth it. Almost all of the content is going to be indistinguishable between 720p and 1080i coming out of your DirecTV box. I think its a better trade off to get the fast channel switching. But try it and it let us know if you notice any difference. I've been running native off and very happy with it.

Keep in mind you are basically trying to spot a difference between the DIrectTV box converting 720p to 1080i and the Panasonic doing it instead. There is just not going to be much, if any difference there.
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Originally Posted by ClemsonChad View Post

That's what I thought. I had my DTV box set to native, but I'll confirm tonight and go with that approach even if it takes slightly longer to change the channel. Thanks for the clarification.
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Originally Posted by LeKnobber View Post

I just don't think this is worth it. Almost all of the content is going to be indistinguishable between 720p and 1080i coming out of your DirecTV box. I think its a better trade off to get the fast channel switching. But try it and it let us know if you notice any difference. I've been running native off and very happy with it.

Keep in mind you are basically trying to spot a difference between the DIrectTV box converting 720p to 1080i and the Panasonic doing it instead. There is just not going to be much, if any difference there.

I compared the time to change from one channel to the adjacent channel using the channel button with Native set to On and Off. There was no difference - they both took three seconds. I timed the channel change from one channel to a more distant one by selecting a channel in the Guide, with Native On. It took four seconds. These were all 1080i channels. I did look at ESPN (a 720p channel) a few days ago with Native On and Off, and while I can't swear to it, I seem to recall that it looked better when the ZT was doing the processing.
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Originally Posted by Famouss View Post

That lighting looks perfect for me, I ordered that same bias lighting from Amazon 2 days ago for my 65vt60. The brightness bothers my eyes at night even though my set is at 33fl, I cant wait to test the lighting in person, also the increased visual contrast should be a plus.

Bias light will make the blacks OLED like...its pretty cool.
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Originally Posted by larrygeary View Post

I compared the time to change from one channel to the adjacent channel using the channel button with Native set to On and Off. There was no difference - they both took three seconds. I timed the channel change from one channel to a more distant one by selecting a channel in the Guide, with Native On. It took four seconds. These were all 1080i channels. I did look at ESPN (a 720p channel) a few days ago with Native On and Off, and while I can't swear to it, I seem to recall that it looked better when the ZT was doing the processing.
As it should - high-end products usually have high-end components - the difference will be subtle but observable - I would sacrifice a second or two for a more enjoyable picture.

PS: I have an Oppo103D in the system that does all the processing.

Cable box - Oppo103D - AVR - ZT60 The delay can be many seconds when I channel hop especially when the resolution changes but it is worth - the picture is jaw-dropping

Enjoy!
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Originally Posted by derekarita View Post

Do you think Panasonic/ZT will ever get HBOGo?  Could it happen in an update or is there more to it than that?

I highly doubt it.
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Its a sad day my friends. My 65 ZT 60 build number 110 has microfractures. I had the fan fix in October. And I just noticed them today. The top edge cracks the worst, with the right side and bottom being about the same. I called Panasonic and sent them pictures. Do they replace the panel or replace the tv? I know the zt's are in short supply. Hoping for the best.
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Originally Posted by Garman69 View Post

Its a sad day my friends. My 65 ZT 60 build number 110 has microfractures. I had the fan fix in October. And I just noticed them today. The top edge cracks the worst, with the right side and bottom being about the same. I called Panasonic and sent them pictures. Do they replace the panel or replace the tv? I know the zt's are in short supply. Hoping for the best.

Does it have those "bumps" where the panel should fit below the bezel?
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