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post #151 of 170
One other thing perhaps worth mentioning that UMe has done different over previous BD-A releases (like Rush, PF, Petty etc) is having the ability to play HFPAs without a display to view the menu. Arrow keys get through the songs and up/down (while viewing your player's screen) will give you your authoring choices of DTS, Dolby, pcm etc. It appears they're trying to push having a stand alone player so you can have the option of slipping one even into your 2 channel rig, or not having to turn on all of your HT system just to listen to music....
post #152 of 170
The daft thing is Tornado Red,

Even with my basic Blu-ray disc authoring skills, I can whip-up a Blu-ray audio disc that's able to provide audio stream access via a simple press of the audio button on your remote control. Along with a chapter access (ie: track selection) and a boring looking display image - which would occupy far less video data than the HPFA disc bye-the-way wink.gif

Indeed, the huge video data probably explains why none of the 5.1 channel HPFA releases (I have) contain a Dolby TrueHD audio stream...
post #153 of 170
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

The daft thing is Tornado Red,

Even with my basic Blu-ray disc authoring skills, I can whip-up a Blu-ray audio disc that's able to provide audio stream access via a simple press of the audio button on your remote control. Along with a chapter access (ie: track selection) and a boring looking display image - which would occupy far less video data than the HPFA disc bye-the-way wink.gif

Indeed, the huge video data probably explains why none of the 5.1 channel HPFA releases (I have) contain a Dolby TrueHD audio stream...

Have they really chewed up that much content on the disc? Guess I hadn't really noticed beyond that they seem to be 25g discs. Gee, you'd think there would be lots of room left over. And now that you mention it, the recently bought Beck HFPA has no Dolby TrueHD, but my other ones do (2.0). My Oppo 103 STILL doesn't like the Dolby TrueHD tracks on any of these HFPAs, even though Oppo has done some Dolby fixing when it comes to handshakes. If I skip songs with my remote, the first second or two is still cut off, but only on the Dolby track.
post #154 of 170
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Originally Posted by Tornado Red View Post

Have they really chewed up that much content on the disc? Guess I hadn't really noticed beyond that they seem to be 25g discs. Gee, you'd think there would be lots of room left over. And now that you mention it, the recently bought Beck HFPA has no Dolby TrueHD, but my other ones do (2.0). My Oppo 103 STILL doesn't like the Dolby TrueHD tracks on any of these HFPAs, even though Oppo has done some Dolby fixing when it comes to handshakes. If I skip songs with my remote, the first second or two is still cut off, but only on the Dolby track.


Oppo's have problems with the HFPA discs. Try clearing Persistent Storage and do a reset if that doesn't work. You can also try bitstreaming if the player has problems doing the processing.
post #155 of 170
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Originally Posted by ti-triodes View Post

Oppo's have problems with the HFPA discs. Try clearing Persistent Storage and do a reset if that doesn't work. You can also try bitstreaming if the player has problems doing the processing.

It's a very minor annoyance. I usually listen to the DTS track anyway, and I really can't tell a difference between it and the Dolby track for audio quality. No handshake issues with DTS.
post #156 of 170
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Originally Posted by Tornado Red View Post

Have they really chewed up that much content on the disc? Guess I hadn't really noticed beyond that they seem to be 25g discs.
It would seem so...

The multi-channel Beck disc (at 52 mins 16 secs) contains two main .m2ts files. One is the 2Ch audio mix, the other is the 6Ch mix. When you de-mux both .m2ts files into their elementary streams you see the following: -

The 2Ch (.m2ts file) audio mix = 7.24GB
AVC Video stream = 1.52GB
2Ch DTS-HD MA audio stream = 1.85GB
2Ch PCM audio stream = 3.37GB

The 6Ch (.m2ts file) audio mix = 16.9GB
AVC Video stream = 1.52GB
6Ch DTS-HD MA audio stream = 4.37GB
6Ch PCM audio stream = 10.0GB

As you can see, the video stream size is nearly as big as the 2Ch DTS-HD MA audio stream. And there's two of them!!!


The multi-channel Queen disc (at 43 mins 13 secs) contains one main .m2ts file at 10.3GB
AVC Video stream = 451MB (much smaller than on the Beck disc)
2Ch DTS-HD MA audio stream = 1.12GB
2Ch PCM audio stream = 1.39GB
6Ch DTS-HD MA audio stream = 2.53GB
6Ch PCM audio stream = 4.10GB

There is more than enough space left on the disc to provide a 2Ch and 6Ch Dolby TrueHD audio stream.


By contrast. The Trondheim Solistene Souvenir Pure Audio disc (at 85 mins 16 secs) consists of two main .m2ts files. One at 12GB the other at 11GB. After extraction the first .m2ts file contains a 272MB MPEG-4 AVC video stream and the second .m2ts file contains a 306MB MPEG-4 AVC video stream.
Edited by SeeMoreDigital - 3/15/14 at 7:38am
post #157 of 170
So...being efficient with allotted space is one more thing UMe didn't do right on these?
post #158 of 170
So I ended up ordering the BRPA Let It Bleed & got it yesterday. Had to use Amazon UK since the title isn't available here in the states yet. It was my first BRPA disc. 2.0 format only in DTS High def, Dolby High Def & PCM High Def. Wish it had a surround sound version too but not this one.

It has really good points and a couple odd ones. The definition, imaging and dynamic range are better than the CD. DVD Audio, possibly a hair better in some areas but not all. The oddity? Tape hiss. Especially between songs. I don't know if the Master is that crappy but you don't usually hear tape hiss on a re-do. Wasn't so noticeable while the music played though. Better than a 1/2 speed master vinyl? The highs/mids probably better, the bottom & dynamic range though I don't know. It's close.

So I liked it. I'll buy more but I expect to be choosey as to which ones I get.
post #159 of 170
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Originally Posted by kurt@ca View Post

So I ended up ordering the BRPA Let It Bleed & got it yesterday. Had to use Amazon UK since the title isn't available here in the states yet. It was my first BRPA disc. 2.0 format only in DTS High def, Dolby High Def & PCM High Def. Wish it had a surround sound version too but not this one.

It has really good points and a couple odd ones. The definition, imaging and dynamic range are better than the CD. DVD Audio, possibly a hair better in some areas but not all. The oddity? Tape hiss. Especially between songs. I don't know if the Master is that crappy but you don't usually hear tape hiss on a re-do. Wasn't so noticeable while the music played though. Better than a 1/2 speed master vinyl? The highs/mids probably better, the bottom & dynamic range though I don't know. It's close.

So I liked it. I'll buy more but I expect to be choosey as to which ones I get.

There is a DVD-A of Let it Bleed?

Bill
post #160 of 170
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Originally Posted by kurt@ca View Post

So I ended up ordering the BRPA Let It Bleed & got it yesterday. Had to use Amazon UK since the title isn't available here in the states yet. It was my first BRPA disc. 2.0 format only in DTS High def, Dolby High Def & PCM High Def. Wish it had a surround sound version too but not this one.

It has really good points and a couple odd ones. The definition, imaging and dynamic range are better than the CD. DVD Audio, possibly a hair better in some areas but not all. The oddity? Tape hiss. Especially between songs. I don't know if the Master is that crappy but you don't usually hear tape hiss on a re-do. Wasn't so noticeable while the music played though. Better than a 1/2 speed master vinyl? The highs/mids probably better, the bottom & dynamic range though I don't know. It's close.

So I liked it. I'll buy more but I expect to be choosey as to which ones I get.

You just described EXACTLY how I found the HFPA of Breakfast In America.
post #161 of 170
Blu-ray Pure Audio, not DVD Audio. I have a bunch of DVD Audio's and I like them a lot. Can't say I always agree with the surround sound mix but I really like the extra openness, the dynamics DVD Audio had over CD. I was hoping for the same for these new BR Pure Audio's and DVD Audio. It's better in some area's like I said. I'm glad I got this one. What's the word on the Layla release?
post #162 of 170
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Originally Posted by Tornado Red View Post

You just described EXACTLY how I found the HFPA of Breakfast In America.
I'm waiting for Crime of the Century myself. One of my original audiophile friends was a Supertramp fanatic and he had a really nice (early 80's mind you) bi-amped system with external crossovers running a pair of AR-9's. He would throw on the MFSL Crime of the Century 1/2 speed master and crank it up till the entire house shook with the bass on that album.

Wonder what ever happened to that guy.
post #163 of 170
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Originally Posted by kurt@ca View Post

I'm waiting for Crime of the Century myself. One of my original audiophile friends was a Supertramp fanatic and he had a really nice (early 80's mind you) bi-amped system with external crossovers running a pair of AR-9's. He would throw on the MFSL Crime of the Century 1/2 speed master and crank it up till the entire house shook with the bass on that album.

Wonder what ever happened to that guy.
Don't hold your breathe but never say never either. I had that on pre-order from Amazon for months and they kept pushing back the release date and finally Amazon gave up indicating it was canceled. The SACD from Japan is also in limbo so there might be something up with that title.
post #164 of 170
Blu-ray Pure Audio the issue is they are only in stereo, where is my MC sound rolleyes.gif
post #165 of 170
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Originally Posted by acebreathe View Post

Don't hold your breathe but never say never either. I had that on pre-order from Amazon for months and they kept pushing back the release date and finally Amazon gave up indicating it was canceled. The SACD from Japan is also in limbo so there might be something up with that title.



The SHM-SACD been pushed back a month as of now, along with a bunch of other titles. I don't think it is anything specific to CotC. Word is there is a glitch in manufacturing. Breakfast in America sold out very quickly and there are a lot of pre-orders for CotC. I have no doubt it will come out eventually.
post #166 of 170
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Originally Posted by ti-triodes View Post

The SHM-SACD been pushed back a month as of now, along with a bunch of other titles. I don't think it is anything specific to CotC. Word is there is a glitch in manufacturing. Breakfast in America sold out very quickly and there are a lot of pre-orders for CotC. I have no doubt it will come out eventually.
I hope you are right.
post #167 of 170
Well I have the 1/2 speed vinyl of CotC, the MFSL gold disc of it as well so I can hold out.

One thing I am disappointed in is that in sending everything to 2.0 I can't use my subwoofer when I play it. I guess I could change the input/output of my pre-amp but messing with the playback settings of Blue Rays is something I don't really want to do. If I had an external crossover I could do it but those days are gone.

It's too bad that the member's of Supertramp apparently hate each other now and refuse to have anything to do with each other. Makes agreeing on working their back catalog that much more difficult.
post #168 of 170
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Originally Posted by kurt@ca View Post

Well I have the 1/2 speed vinyl of CotC, the MFSL gold disc of it as well so I can hold out.

One thing I am disappointed in is that in sending everything to 2.0 I can't use my subwoofer when I play it. I guess I could change the input/output of my pre-amp but messing with the playback settings of Blue Rays is something I don't really want to do. If I had an external crossover I could do it but those days are gone.

It's too bad that the member's of Supertramp apparently hate each other now and refuse to have anything to do with each other. Makes agreeing on working their back catalog that much more difficult.

Agreed. Roger Hodgson did NOT want them to release the blu-ray of their 1979 Paris concert the way it was. Wish they'd just get along for our benefit. If they'd all be silent, maybe they could get things done, even in the quietest moments....

I'm lucky, on my Pioneer SC-61 avr one of the direct modes will allow me to run stereo but have my subs on too. A nice feature I use a lot.
post #169 of 170
I picked up the HFPA of George Michael - Symphonica today. Live recordings from his tour a couple years ago. For some reason this release only seems to be available in the UK and Canada on HFPA? Anyway, it's 17 songs of George all grown up. Michael Buble music without Michael Buble. For the most part, I think it's very well done. I'd say the sound is very good, but...it's one of Universal's HFPAs that's in stereo only with their usual 3 options of 2.0 pcm, 2.0 DTS-HD Master and 2.0 DolbyTrueHD. All's good until you try to access the DTS encode. YMMV, but with my Pioneer SC-61 it pumps it into Neo 6 Cinema mode. WTF? I don't find a lot of difference between Dolby and DTS on other HFPAs I have, so it's not a big deal to me. Worth picking up if you're a fan at all...
post #170 of 170
Second purchase this weekend. Lionel Richie's Can't Slow Down HFPA. Stereo only release but another I'd highly recommend for SQ.
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