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Originally Posted by RandomNinjaAtk View Post

As we know the Xbox One interface has been detailed fairly well, not as well as I'd like, but personally, Sony's interface looks God Aweful! This completely shows the true benefit of having a software company developing the Xbox One in my opinion..

Anybody who has used both systems (especially when connected to XBL & PSN) already knows this.

Its no surprise that this will continue into the next generation.

MS is a software company. Sony is a hardware company. Its not hard to figure out which one is going to have the better interface, OS & online experience.
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Or hardware....eek.gif
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I hate the dualshock, but it'll take some of the sting out knowing that my preferred control device, the Fanatec CSR racing wheel, should still be supported.
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Originally Posted by JudgeSmails View Post

Apparently the one on the Xbone is just as good and maybe even better than the 360s.

Every hands-on review of it I've read raves about it and say that the notable changes (like eliminated the battery compartment bump underneath) are substantial improvements. The individual programmable motors beneath the triggers are a big hit as well.
post #2255 of 14792
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Originally Posted by RandomNinjaAtk View Post

Not to troll Sony on the Xbox One thread, but for those Xbox supporters like myself, see this video of the PS4 Interface. (I just found this online)



As we know the Xbox One interface has been detailed fairly well, not as well as I'd like, but personally, Sony's PS4 interface looks God Aweful! This completely shows the true benefit of having a software company developing the Xbox One in my opinion....

Please note that this is a personal opinion, and it reminds of Google Plus's terrible new interface....

Yuck. I'm really not a fan of either interface. I think they both look like windows 8, which I don't like either. This type of interface works with touchscreen monitors, smartphones, and tablets, not on game consoles.. (I will give it MS that voice integration should work well with theirs..just not my cup of tea). I just think it looks too cluttered and loud. I want a simpler looking, clean interface. Besides just for looks, think about all the stuff that's going to be there, then think about who is going to be next to you when it pops up. I don't need my macho friends to see that I downloaded Knack, I don't need the kids in the family to see killzone and GTA graphics, I don't need the wife to see messages coming in responding to some immature argument with other gamers, and if they start having other apps and stuff I just don't want everyone who sees me turn on my system to see every freakin thing I use my system for. Heck, I don't even want to see it lol. I do like the split screen with multiple sources (TV and internet, etc) ability of the Xbox one, but IMO that's about the only change to the interface that I've seen so far that I'd actually consider an improvement over what is currently offered. With the tile thing they're going for, I just hope we can set what we want shown on the tiles for easy access, and "hide" the rest of our stuff, allowing access to "hidden" stuff through a menu or something. I know current gen you can't really get anywhere without seeing some of the other stuff, but it looks like next gen will be even more "revealing". That all said- between the two options, I'm sure Microsoft has an edge in the functionality of the OS / interface both current and next gen..which is to be expected. I know this just sounds like a whining rant, and it is. I guess my ideal OS/interface would be something like PS3's current one mixed with Windows 7 behind the scenes. Still scroll between your games/videos/settings/etc "tabs", only let me create folders within in them with pictures/logos/labels of whatever I want and let me put what I want to in whatever folder.. That way it's just a clean and organized system that would allow me to easily access what I'm looking for (like MS and Sony have current Gen), but not need to see everything within each tab everytime I scroll to given tab. Does that make sense? End of rant. Am sure nobody has read this far anyway lol.

Here's to hoping for at least a good amount of customization options on layout/color/font/"visibility"/etc...I mean at least we're not dealing with Apple here.
Edited by CMonMan - 6/12/13 at 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by RandomNinjaAtk View Post


As we know the Xbox One interface has been detailed fairly well, not as well as I'd like, but personally, Sony's PS4 interface looks God Aweful!....

Awesome! So even God is going to be full of awe at Sony's interface? It would be awful if He/She wasn't.

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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

Anybody who has used both systems (especially when connected to XBL & PSN) already knows this.

Its no surprise that this will continue into the next generation.

MS is a software company. Sony is a hardware company. Its not hard to figure out which one is going to have the better interface, OS & online experience.

Nor is it difficult to figure out which one is going to have better hardware. GDDR3? HD7760 GPU? Maybe Hal/Kinect still thinks it's 2001.
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Originally Posted by Dave Harper View Post

Do you have a source for that info?

I heard it on a Engadget HD podcast. It's not really a fact though, but the guys on there expected there to be a relatively low cost tuner box that one could buy. Somewhere else I heard something about a Microsoft dongle for OTA, but that was definitely a rumor and I wouldn't put any stock in that rumor being true.
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Originally Posted by Anthony1 View Post

I heard it on a Engadget HD podcast. It's not really a fact though, but the guys on there expected there to be a relatively low cost tuner box that one could buy. Somewhere else I heard something about a Microsoft dongle for OTA, but that was definitely a rumor and I wouldn't put any stock in that rumor being true.

that would be awesome! right now, I stream and fill the gaps with OTA. do you remember the date for that podcast? was this pure conjecture or someone heard something with some credibility?
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Apologies if this has already been posted, but Sony released a new 22 second video on its YouTube channel showing how complicated it will be to lend a game to a friend:

Pretty complicated stuff, huh? Nice to see Sony is actually trying to capitalize on intense market reaction from XBOX gamers with respect to the new policies of the XBOX 1 system.

I have no horse in this race, only the opinion that what Microsoft is doing with the XBOX 1 with respect to second-hand games, loaning games, selling used games, seemingly constant license fees and authentication to do anything is just ludicrous.

I guess I'll be reduced to playing Yars Revenge on the Atari 2600 before you know it . . .
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It's one thing to see the internet ablaze with FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, & Doubt), but I hold this site to a higher standard!


...lol kidding! Some people here are just as ridiculous--I learned that during the HDDVD/Bluray war! Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the sensible ones here, but have you guys noticed that the less sensational you are about these topics, it's like you never posted ANYTHING?...your post is completely ignored--people just want to go to war I guess.

My favorites are the ones that pretend they were in Xbox's camp (if that makes any sense--it's a product to buy, not something to ally oneself with), but now they're switching to PS! LOL and their reasons are so "sensible"--Microsoft is anti-consumer, anti-gamer, spying on you...and what else? Oh yeah...anti-military--no FUD there!

And then you have the ones that try to fire back by saying that publisher's will restrict gamers on the PS4 anyway...because, you know, publishers are evil--I mean publishers are anti-consumer, anti-gamer, spying on you...and what else? Oh yeah...anti-military--sounds logical.

Now we have a "sky is falling" situation people...the once every 24 hour online check-in is the real deal! FOR REALZ THIS IS NOT A DRILL! Don't you people understand what this means? Let me give you some perspective, because you guys aren't panicking enough:

I live out in the country--as in RURAL Texas! I didn't go online until around 2000-ish...and that was dial-up people--do you hear me? DIAL-UP! I don't think you're getting the whole picture, so let me grab a paint brush:

My first taste of "online" was via the Sega Dreamcast! Granted, before that I had Directv, and I think I had Tivo also--they had to use the phone line, but they weren't connected "enough"--no, I got connected via the Dreamcast. I used my Dreamcast to shop online--don't forget this is being done on dial-up--and the first items I bought were PC parts! That's right, I used my dial-up + Dreamcast to enable me to build my first PC...and do you know what I did with that PC? I GOT MORE CONNECTED...at the same speed--dial-up...2 to 3 KB/s was all it could muster (old lines). Our phone line stayed busy...you couldn't get through because I played Star Wars Galaxy (MMORPG) on dial-up all night/day...PAINFUL!!!! Then one day, I found out that a company was offering Wireless Broadband in our area (around 2006)...HALLELUJAH!!!! I was saved!!!!! I was getting 76 KB/s down!!!!...until they throttled me for being a bandwidth hog--so I got 76 KB/s for about 45 seconds and then it dropped to 30 KB/s. Don't cry for me though, because in 2010 I got a new phone...the Evo 4G! With a tethering app, any computer I connected to was able to hit 150 to 200 KB/s (3G signal)!!!!! So, from 2000 until last Christmas, the best connection I ever had was really 30 KB/s of "always on" connectivity(wireless "Broadband") --except if there was bad weather...ie the wind blew. During that time I bought another Tivo unit (the other died), XBox, Xbox360, PS3, HDDVD player, laptop, built 2 more computers, Network AV receiver, and have played several online games--mostly on my PC where I could tether my phone (this was in 2010)--All of this crap connected to the internet at some point.

...oh you asked what happened last Christmas? Well, last fall I bought the Samsung Galaxy Note 2...right after Christmas day, I happened to tether it to my computer and saw my speed skyrocket...I was shocked--thinking it was a spike (every now and then 3G would spike to 300 KB/s for a couple of seconds)--but it climbed past 500, 600, 700, and kept going! I checked my phone and saw it had full bars...of 4G LTE. Speed tests hit over 30 Mb/s--rural population/traffic finally paid off!!!!

So what did I do?--I connected my computer to my router and turned on internet sharing--that's what! Now none of my devices get a connection unitl I get home from work and tether my phone to my computer. Before, they were getting 30 KB/s of "always on", but now they only get around 16 hrs a day of "HOLY FRICKEN CRAP THAT WAS FAST"...somehow they manage to get updates when they need to--probably because I schedule them to do so during my home hours--but still, what you should take away from this rambling post is simply this: SKY = FALLING.
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As an enthusiast of the way electronics work, if you don't have good internets, don't buy internet box.

Seriously, people... I get your concerns, but Microsoft is trying something different. Move past this notion of the status quo of what past consoles did or didn't do. You know what THIS ONE does now, and if it isn't something that will work for you, you shouldn't buy it. Nor should you buy a Roku... or a Nest... or a wireless router... because internet box needs internet.

Now that we've established that, could the people who have obviously already made up their minds to buy a PS4 please post PS4 stuff in the proper forum for PS4? Thanks... that would be great. wink.gif
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Nothing like the announcement of a new console to bring me in from a several year posting hiatus. As an aside, part of my absence was due to frequent and lengthy deployments...something that could give some insight as to my opinion towards the XB1. To the point:

I'm going to go a little against the grain here and praise the XB1 for the audacious direction they are taking. Forcing the Kinect to be part of the system is, IMHO, a stroke of genius and the only way to pave a roadmap to a next generation gaming experience. For those who advocate selling an XB1 without the Kinect at a lower price point, I submit that would hamper progress. Creating an ecosystem of consistent hardware and capabilities, I believe, will enable developers to create gaming experiences that I haven't even considered yet. Bravo. Further, the 360 has been screaming to be more than a gaming console for ages. Anyone who has used it as a WMC extender knows just how much potential has always been there. It's nice to see MS embrace this and put it out there for everyone to see.

The term "Next Gen" is thrown around quite a bit and since there is no Websters definition, it becomes a very personal thing. Reading this forum and a number of other sources, I get the sense that many define Next Gen as improved graphics. And that's it. It's easy to see why...the experience of gaming on a console really hasn't changed dramatically since I was playing Space Invaders on my 2600. The biggest change in that time frame has been the fidelity of the graphics. Sure there are more buttons to press on the piece of plastic I hold in my hand, but the core interaction has been by and large static. I feel "Next Gen" ought to be more than just improved graphics. After seeing the tech demos of the Kinect 2.0, I'm pretty excited that after all these years something is going to change for the better...hopefully across the spectrum of games and not just in a few niche scenarios.

To those fearing the Kinect and privacy concerns: modern smartphones have multiple HD cameras, a microphone and a constant connection to the internet. If you're the proud owner of one of these devices, the Kinect should not bother you at all. To the point of requiring an internet connection: It's the 21st century. The time to move forward is now and this generation is likely to last for upwards of 10 years. The world is over being offline...the future is online. I appreciate the paradigm shift and think the Xbox world will be better for it. And I'm saying that as a person who is certain to deploy again, probably multiple times and I have zero chance of getting to the internet in the places I go to. I'm bummed about that, but I'm glad MS didn't hamper progress on my account...I'm certain folks like me comprise an extremely small percentage of the target demographic. Finally, kudos for embracing the digital download model. Physical media has been dying a slow death for many moons now and I'm ready to see it go. Plus, I'm getting too old to keep going to the midnight launches of the next COD title biggrin.gif

That's it...I'm out. It's good to be back and I look forward to reading everyone else's opinion. Cheers...
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Funny, I thought debating the pros and cons of this new platform and their new approach to competing in this market was the entire point of this thread!
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Originally Posted by Myrtledog View Post

http://majornelson.com/2013/06/12/xbox-one-achievements/#


Xbox One Achievements

Today we talked about some of the changes to the new achievements system coming with Xbox One. We just got done hearing from Chad Gibson, Principle Group Program manager for Xbox Live Gaming features and Mike Lavin, Sr. Global Product Marketing manager for Xbox Live on our live broadcast. This morning, we asked Cierra McDonald to explain some of the achievement changes in greater detail for us. Here is what she wrote for you guys

Is there anyway we can get this achievement breakdown in the original post? This seems like the type of information that should not be buried in the middle of the thread.
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Ok, I know that at some point I will likely be buying both the Xbox One and PS4 as the content I want to play comes out, but I'm pretty sure that I'm going to pre-order the Xbox One first because of Forza 5 (I really hope fanatec finds a solution for my wheel). The one thing I haven't read about yet is whether 360 and XB one players will be able to play against eachother in MP matches in games like COD Ghosts, where the game is on both platforms.
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Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

Funny, I thought debating the pros and cons of this new platform and their new approach to competing in this market was the entire point of this thread!

True, but there's a difference between debating and trolling. People smarter than me know they are trolling by repeating their stance over and over again in a thread. They arent changing any minds. Childish We Won E3 gifs or Sony gamesharing videos in an Xbox thread is not debating.

Or more likely I just dont have a sense of humor toward what most people find funny on the internet...
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Originally Posted by sage11x View Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUAeYL7eAdI&sns=em

Lol! I f'ing love this guy...

He says what we all already know-- the real loser isn't Sony or Microsoft... It's us!

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That was hilarious!!
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Since I have been busy traveling for work and really unable to stay current on the thread, I will say I pre-ordered 2 of the day one editions last night after reading about the share ability of the XB1. The sharing of games was the only thing holding me back/a cobncern of mine. Now as long as each of my kids can share a game, or we can all use a single player game throughout the house on each of the 4 units, I will stay with MS.
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Originally Posted by JediMastr View Post


My favorites are the ones that pretend they were in Xbox's camp (if that makes any sense--it's a product to buy, not something to ally oneself with), but now they're switching to PS! LOL and their reasons are so "sensible"--Microsoft is anti-consumer, anti-gamer, spying on you...and what else? Oh yeah...anti-military--no FUD there!

Meh. I was generally excited for this round because it's the first time I can buy both day 1 if I wanted to. There were rumors of MS backtracking on it's exclusive deals model and funding a litany of new studios that should even out it's game genres and add new IP. The hardware is good, and it should have some really nice features.

And then they dropped the DRM, phone home, always need internet, kinect needs to be on and connected bomb. They went from me being excited and interested to disgusted.

I don't think I'm the only one BTW and I have no need to smile and take a company running roughshod over their customers. I was prepared to flee to PC when Sony announced their slightly less DRM-fest; but apparently they're smarter than that. I think it also be helpful to send MS a message to MS and hold off a XBone purchase until they change face, which they will if Gamers send a message. They hold all the power after all.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by cubdenno View Post

. Now as long as each of my kids can share a game, or we can all use a single
player game throughout the house on each of the 4 units, I will stay with MS.

I'm not so sure you will be able to. At least not at the same time. If you own the copy of the game on your console, any ONE of your family can play it on their console at the same time. If you just mean that you'll be able to play it on different boxes at different times, then yeah, you can do that.
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

..............Anybody who has used both systems (especially when connected to XBL & PSN) already knows this...................
Not sure you continued posting of rational/logical thoughts has any place in this thread biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Mach1_8 View Post

.......................To those fearing the Kinect and privacy concerns: modern smartphones have multiple HD cameras, a microphone and a constant connection to the internet.................
Which is exactly what I find funny................"oh, gasp, it has to connect X times per Y timeframe". Got $20 says these are the same @sshats who use the phone in the dumper. Bet they're the same ones ranting about DRM while being Crapple evangelists.

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Originally Posted by gpthree View Post

True, but there's a difference between debating and trolling. People smarter than me know they are trolling by repeating their stance over and over again in a thread. They arent changing any minds. Childish We Won E3 gifs or Sony gamesharing videos in an Xbox thread is not debating.
What makes you think they're not being paid for this activity? Common enough & pretty evident given most of the "concerns" are BS. There are questions to be answered but the incessant "fail" rants tell me it's a) fanboy b) paid.

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...That was hilarious!!
It was funny.
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Engadget has a look at the upcoming Smartglass features.
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

Part of the advantage of them having WiFi direct for the controller is that supposedly they will be able to provide surround sound to the new line of headphones. No 3.5mm plugs... Just a new headset. Turtle Beach and Polk have both shown theirs so far, and they're looking very sweet!

So none of the headsets that most gamers use (PC360 for example) will not work with the new console? If so, I won't feel entirely bad about the $200 I spent on cans...as I bought ones that are excellent with both gaming and music (Senn 598's).
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Originally Posted by cubdenno View Post

Since I have been busy traveling for work and really unable to stay current on the thread, I will say I pre-ordered 2 of the day one editions last night after reading about the share ability of the XB1. The sharing of games was the only thing holding me back/a cobncern of mine. Now as long as each of my kids can share a game, or we can all use a single player game throughout the house on each of the 4 units, I will stay with MS.

Yeah, they definitely worked it out to make your life much, much easier.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

My biggest issue is just the uncertainty of it all. They laid out all these restrictions, left some of it open to interpretation, leave an open door to change it at their please, and give no indication of what they'll do when things go awry.

They should just come out and say that they have no intention of ever taking the servers offline, but should that ever happen, they will update the system to remove the online check.

They should promise that if XBL is offline for more than an hour, they'll offer a full 1 month extension, each time it happens.

They should reiterate their belief that kinect is the future, and it's so important that they'll bundle it with every console, but should YOU decide not to use it, you won't have to connect it at all, and you accept that some games may not run without it. Kinect required should be clearly marked on the game box and download page.

I don't think the actual DRM system is that onerous, but they are not providing the level of reassurance that they need to in order to get people to accept it. If they want to be this controlling, they need to take a stand and hold themselves to a higher standard of accountability.

I agree with pretty much everything you said.

1) Kinect needs to be removed as a requirement. Allow the people to unplug it, without affecting the console use.

2) There needs to be a backup system if XBL is offline.

3) They need to be more transparent about the entire DRM process and why its necessary for playing games off a HDD, with no disc.

4) If you have the physical disc, you should be able to play the game off the disc with no DRM or online connection necessary.

5) They need to hire a PR firm and create a FAQ to outline the above information. It would go a LONG ways towards changing opinions that the XB1 is too restricted & evading privacy.
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I find the only issue to be the once every 24 hour phone home which is actually what people are talking about when they say "always need internet" because really it is not required to "always need internet" unless you are playing an online game or one that is using the cloud for part of its computing power, you just need to be online once every 24 hours. If that was a more extended period like once a week check ins or once every 30 days then I wouldn't even have an issue. But power going down for 24 hours after a storm is still not that unusual and of course their servers could go down for that long but probably not a week or a month.

DRM as long as its not intrusive doesn't bother me too much. You want great games, people got to get paid. They don't do 23 hour days to get a game out in time for the holidays for free.
I don't think we need the install all games thing, but you cannot deny it has advantages. Sony has their video about how to "share a game". Well if your walking over to your friends house to share a game with them you can do that with MS too except you wont need to remember to bring the disk. if they could extend that family share plan to family and friends and have the same 30 day on the friends list thing like they have with the gifting... but just let us get the game back (only one person playing at a time of course) then I think this issue would actually be a plus toward Microsoft (yeah its a big if).

As far as yesterday statement of "if you want to play offline get a 360". Having two products for two different customer base is not that bad an idea on the face of it. The problem MS has (and should have stopped the comment from being made) is that the 360 is an 8 year old machine and their competitors brand new machine works fine offline. If they had somehow been able to make the 360 more powerful, adding memory or something that would not break the original games but allow for better new games then that would have worked to let people slowly move to the XB1 when they were ready for a new type of gaming (or more PCish type without the PC). But, of course they didn't improve the 360 (except in looks and maybe noise) so you have an 8 year old machine competing with a brand new PS4 and then the XB1 sitting out there as a different type of product that probably is more the reflection of gaming in the future. Like others have said, Sony stayed the course, the same course consoles have been on the last 20 years but not one that gaming will likely be on 20 years from now.


Question does Sony "second screen" work with any device or do you need a Vita? I know the PSeye is a separate device I will have to buy if I want to play any games that require it but since it is not included I don't expect publishers to take as much advantage of it. Will I have to buy a vita go get full use out of my PS4? If so this is quickly getting as expensive as the XB1. (though no doubt they will both have lots of games with lots of gimmicky add on's at some point).
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Originally Posted by AHDTVDiet View Post

Question does Sony "second screen" work with any device or do you need a Vita? I know the PSeye is a separate device I will have to buy if I want to play any games that require it but since it is not included I don't expect publishers to take as much advantage of it. Will I have to buy a vita go get full use out of my PS4? If so this is quickly getting as expensive as the XB1. (though no doubt they will both have lots of games with lots of gimmicky add on's at some point).

As far as I know it's an app just like Glass, made to work across mobile platforms. Truth be told, I'm not sure if it was even announced for PSV. They only talked of direct PS4/PSV remote play via WiFi I think.

Whether it works as well as Glass, well, that's the question. Sonys handicap has always been software, especially when it comes to social media and harnessing the best things of the web.
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Originally Posted by RemoWilliams84 View Post

I'm not so sure you will be able to. At least not at the same time. If you own the copy of the game on your console, any ONE of your family can play it on their console at the same time. If you just mean that you'll be able to play it on different boxes at different times, then yeah, you can do that.

As it stands right now with the 360, 2 people can play the same DD game at the same time on 2 different boxes. I do it now with my son. I'm still not clear how their setup is changing regarding this, since they arent very clear, but with the game sharing feature, it looks like I'll still be able to do what I do now and possibly more.
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Xbox One check-in will need "kilobytes, not megabytes"

Microsoft's Phil Spencer says even phone tethering will be sufficient to meet requirement

Microsoft's Phil Spencer has shed some light on the severity of the Xbox One's online check-in, and it may not be as severe as many have feared.

Speaking to Game Informer, the corporate VP of Microsoft Studios said that the check-in requirements are low enough for mobile tethering to be a valid option for meeting them.

"It's kilobytes, not megabytes," he said. "You can also set your console to always have the latest bits in a standby state."

Spencer reiterated that those with absolutely no access to the internet were not the right audience for the Xbox One. However, the check-in will be forgiving enough for even those with unreliable online connections.

"We've all had 360s for quite a while. If you look at what the box was capable of doing when we launched it versus what it's doing it now, we listened. We're part of the community," Spencer said.

"We listen to the community and we will respond to where the business, the creators, and the gamers are going. But I don't want to people to take that wrong. Our policy is our policy, and we've stated it. We wanted to put it up [on Xbox Wire] in unambiguous terms. 'Here's what our policy is.'


http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-06-13-xbox-one-check-in-will-need-kilobytes-not-megabytes
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Also no one should be concerned about gamertags on your friends console either. Just like the 360 now with your gamertag in the cloud you can put a passcode lock and or require you log into your Windows Live account every time for login.
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