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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Funny you mention everyone on the planet. Yes they're not up in arms about it, because their laws are still upheld and enforced.

First sale doctrine is a law and a right, and long has been. That US courts, and pretty much only ours, have taking a terrible pro-business bend since the 80's doesn't change long standing laws and expectations. EULA's, Coporate wishes, and peons asking for more abuse as some sort of twisted badge of honor doesn't change that.

it's wrong and it should be fought tooth and nail.

Honestly man, this is like the 6th or 7th time I've seen you post this type of stuff. We get it, you disagree with what MS is doing and feel like your rights are being trampled.

As others have stated, it would be great if a lot of this stuff stayed in the PS4 thread.
post #2342 of 14793
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

if you watch the games of both systems, can you tell the difference? you can't. the bottom line is the games and the apps that use the hardware.

and same thing applies to PCs. The difference between a high end system and a mid range system, when set to 1080p gaming and all the bells and whistles is nil. The difference comes in when you want a multimonitor gaming experience at insane resolutions.

what will distinguish the One from the PS4 is the games and the user experience surrounding those games. The specs aren't different enough to make a difference. over time, all the other things will equilibrate and reach steady state. Just like Microsoft didn't enjoy a price advantage for the 360 for its lifecycle, neither will Sony. everything evens out and the only thing left is the games, the apps, and the user experience.

I can't tell the difference as the systems haven't been released and we don't have any comparison videos. Plenty of comparisons in the past of PS3 to Wii games, even if you choose to run the games at the same resolution the PS3/360 versions looked better. There is certainly more to visual experience than just the resolution and framerate. Time will tell what the devs do.

When was the 360 more than a PS3? I'm pretty sure it did enjoy a price advantage for its life cycle. I'm not factoring in Live, which of course makes the 360 more expensive over time.
post #2343 of 14793
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Funny you mention everyone on the planet. Yes they're not up in arms about it, because their laws are still upheld and enforced.

First sale doctrine is a law and a right, and long has been. That US courts, and pretty much only ours, have taking a terrible pro-business bend since the 80's doesn't change long standing laws and expectations. EULA's, Coporate wishes, and peons asking for more abuse as some sort of twisted badge of honor doesn't change that.

it's wrong and it should be fought tooth and nail.
Funny that people keep bringing up that ruling... which also says that the providing company of digitally distributed software isn't required to offer an avenue for resale. All that ruling changed in practice was that it's legal to sell someone the Steam account that a game is tied to, and would do that? If you notice, people in the EU still can not resell digitally downloaded games that they've already played to other Steam members, and all it took was a quick change in the service agreement for Steam re: games on the service being linked to a single account and having a limited distribution period. That ruling actually applies to the original publishers, not markets such as Steam which games are passed through (which is how they're still legal - because by using Steam, you agree to tie that game to your account).

(Sorry... 15 years at a law firm makes me dig into this stuff when I see it. Too many people take these things at face value because someone reported it on the internet.)
post #2344 of 14793
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

Exactly... EA's statements about not doing online passes was not so coincidentally followed by a statement that might as well have said, "We'll just make that money back with DLC and look like we're doing you a favor." Free to play is nice in games where you don't HAVE to buy anything to have fun with it, like Ghost Recon Online has been for me. But if the new trend is to eschew online passes to get their cut of the secondary market but nickel-and-dime us with DLC, DO NOT WANT.

The smartest thing to keep even more games in players hands past the "essential" 4-8 weeks after release is exclusive FREE DLC. Ask Take-Two interactive. I'm fine with paid DLC as long as they don't gimp the main game, and release something of value. I've got tons of value out of BF3 for example.
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Originally Posted by RafaelSmith View Post

Ha good ol Cliff Bleszinski. What a turd. I met him once a few years back and the brief conversation made me think I had stepped back in time to my 2nd year in highschool =P

But yeah lots of good points in that article. The cost of producing new AAA titles has nothing to do with there being or not being used game sell/trading and everything to do with an industry that has gotten to comfortable in doing things without looking at ways to cut costs like every other industry has too.
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

I read that earlier. Not saying there aren't some good points in the article, but as far as what it takes to budget a game, I think I'll trust the guy who turned Jazz Jackrabbit into a company that made some of the biggest games since PC gaming started over an internet blogger known for self-aggrandizing snarkiness. Just me... wink.gif

Good old Cliff makes a killing selling his engine license to studios by marketing bigger, better, and prettier, but pricier. His opinion is valid, but also take into account his position of offering one of the best AAA licensed engines out there. He's not going to turn to you and tell you the COD engine is good enough and a heck of a lot cheaper, or that it brought in $3 Billion to Activision. Right? The current business model feeds his kids, and he want to keep it that way. I can't blame him, but I got a family too and I'm going to fight to make sure the costs he wants to keep get put on his side of the marketplace. He needs to figure it out, because I can just walk away.
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Originally Posted by AHDTVDiet View Post

This isn't food or gas is freaking video games. If they raise prices crazy high people focus more on their 99 cent phone downloads or just find something else to do. Prices will always try to flow to a sweet spot where they can be as high as possible (because everyone wants to be paid) with as many players as possible. Years ago VCR tapes were $80 that didn't last and very expensive video games wont for any length of time either. Plus the new model seems to be "free to play" and then work their way to $100 a game with slow trickle of DLC.

I agree. But in EVERY other industry if supply at a price point is impossible to sustain, either prices go up or they find ways to cut costs and become more efficient. Thats Capitalism / Economics.

They don't sit around complaining about how good their customers have it or secondary markets, because it's not going to fix anything. They're not allowed to become monopolies and dictate market prices and use. They and only they have to find a way to make it work, or someone else will. Activision did.

Kinda reminds me of other artists that get butthurt that they're broke and no one likes their Art. No one is entitled to a paycheck, and in the system we have you need to figure out what consumers want and provide it, without running yourself into the ground. Thats business, stop complaining that "it's hard".
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Originally Posted by RafaelSmith View Post

I willing to bet $$$ the PS4/PSN has built in the same sorta DRM/Licensing tech the XBOX ONE does ......they can flip it on whenever they want/need too. If not then they really are simply trying to make a quick buck and not planning for the future.

I'll take that bet. How about one new PS4/XB1 game of the winners choosing? Whats the time frame you want to bet within? I assume the bet is for a general DRM licensing scheme on physical discs and not a few one off titles, such as what Capcom did last gen?
Edited by TyrantII - 6/13/13 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by vedderpj13 View Post

Honestly man, this is like the 6th or 7th time I've seen you post this type of stuff. We get it, you disagree with what MS is doing and feel like your rights are being trampled.

As others have stated, it would be great if a lot of this stuff stayed in the PS4 thread.

Why would I post about MS and the XBone in the PS4 thread?

You're free to put me on ignore if I'm getting on your nerves, but that isn't my intention.
post #2346 of 14793
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Originally Posted by vedderpj13 View Post

The monitor I use has 2ms, while the new 50'' plasma I bought late last year has around 5.5 or higher I believe.

Do DLP's have zero ms?

The screen is refreshed a couple of orders of magnitude faster than an LCD.
In my use I've always had an easier time from the larger screen on DLP than with the smaller using LCD. But I enjoy it on either one. Sometimes i have issues with the larger one with motion issues making me feel queasy.

I'll be getting a launch XBOne and will pair it to my DLP set in my main setup. I would like to also get a PS4 at launch but that is just too much money once you add the price of several games. Plus I plan to get the new six tuner TiVo if/when it's released this year. So getting all three things would have been difficult for me. And in the future, with Kinect, I'm not sure how well that will work in my secondary setup which is a tighter space on an LCD.
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I am not sure if this is still valid but the MS way is not the way it seems to be going in the EU for software...

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/top-eu-court-upholds-right-to-resell-downloaded-software/

Top EU court upholds right to resell downloaded software
First-sale rights stronger in the EU than in the US.

by Timothy B. Lee - July 3 2012, 7:59am PDT
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY
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David Hepburn
The European Court of Justice has ruled that customers have a right to resell software they purchase regardless of whether the software was originally distributed on a physical medium or downloaded over the Internet. The ruling is a defeat for Oracle, which had argued that the court should uphold provisions in its license agreement prohibiting such transfers.

Software vendors have long argued that software is "licensed, not sold." This claim is in tension with the doctrine of copyright exhaustion (called the first sale doctrine in the United States), which holds that copyright law does not give rightsholders control over used copies of their work. And the principle has gotten even more murky as software is increasingly distributed directly over digital networks, meaning that there's no physical copy of the work to resell.

Oracle distributes its software online. Once a customer has signed a licensing agreement, they have an unlimited right to download copies of the database software from Oracle's website, and to install as many copies of the software as specified in the licensing agreement. A company called UsedSoft acted as a broker for used Oracle licenses, allowing Oracle customers who no longer need their licenses to resell them to another firm that could put them to better use.

Oracle sued UsedSoft, arguing that UsedSoft was merely facilitating piracy of its software. The database giant noted that its license agreements specifically state that licenses are nontransferable. And it argued that the exhaustion doctrine only applied to physical copies, like CDs or DVDs, not to copies downloaded from a website.

On Wednesday, the European Court of Justice, the EU's highest court, decisively rejected Oracle's arguments.

"It makes no difference whether the copy of the computer program was made available by means of a download from the rightholder’s website or by means of a material medium such as a CD-ROM or DVD," the court ruled. "Even if the rightholder formally separates the customer’s right to use the copy of the program supplied from the operation of transferring the copy of the program to the customer on a material medium, the operation of downloading from that medium a copy of the computer program and that of concluding a license agreement remain inseparable from the point of view of the acquirer."

The court noted that if it accepted Oracle's argument, then "suppliers would merely have to call the contract a ‘license’ rather than a ‘sale’ in order to circumvent the rule of exhaustion and divest it of all scope."

"From an economic point of view, the sale of a computer program on CD-ROM or DVD and the sale of a program by downloading from the internet are similar," the court ruled. "The on-line transmission method is the functional equivalent of the supply of a material medium."

The court also rejected Oracle's contention that even if the original software license was transferable, the new owner was not entitled to use the free updates Oracle supplied with the software.

But the court did place some important limits on customers' rights to resell used software licenses. First, if a customer purchases a multiseat license, it is not allowed to split the license up into parts and sell them separately.

The court also held that after reselling the software, the previous owner must render his own copy of the software inoperable. Oracle had argued that this would be impossible to enforce in practice. But the court noted that this difficulty isn't unique to online software sales—the same problem arises when a customer resells a CD or DVD after using it to install software on his own computer.

European software purchasers now enjoy substantially stronger first-sale rights than their American counterparts. While the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit has upheld the right to resell used CDs, the same court has been more deferential to software vendors, ruling that no-resale clauses in licensing agreements are enforceable. And since software companies invariably insert such clauses into their EULAs, the Ninth Circuit's ruling places used software sales under a legal cloud.
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That was almost a year ago. MS would know about this.
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Originally Posted by Bailey151 View Post

LMAO, yeah, sure the "real world". The post below is an exemple of an opinion, though supporting. The "real world" also includes those are paid to chant the same few thoughts over & over. Often these align with the employer's own "our product is better because......" bullet points.

Is all the dire hand wringing over MS's approach warrented? Who knows. In fact nobody knows until the product is brought to market & we see how it's implemented.

What is known in the "real world" all (repeat that) all services are moving to the cloud............which means to access them you'll need connectivity. Notice content providers like Comcast are moving away from set top boxes.........to the cloud. Software? Cloud. The list is long and only going to get longer. Soon enough about the only thing you'll be able to do without being connected is take the afore mentioned dump (though as I pointed out some choose to remain connected even then).

The exact same goes for physical interfaces they are going away. Hence the kinect & all it supposed to do with the Xbox One.

Folks can "wah...wah....wah, my ba-gina hurts" all they want but those are the facts, period. At this juncture MS looks like it is indeed bringing next generation features to the console. Cloud calculations, family sharing, multi-media................ Apparently Sony's idea of "next generation" is simply a faster box with the same old chit.

It all depends on the final implementation but MS seems to be much more forward looking at this point, at least they're willing to make the attempt.
All good points & this one seems like a no brainer. I mean I have voice commands for damn near everything in my car................doesn't mean I have to use them, I can choose not to (still not a fan of talking to the Xbox biggrin.gif )
Yep, same as someone can't seem to grasp that as we go forward you'll actually "own" (by your definition) less & less when it comes to software. Office suite? Nope. Last comp that came with a physical disk? Ask the publishing industry how many physical books they sell. Adobe just moved Photoshop to subscription. As more & more content goes to cloud based services there will be less & less physical ownership, it will be a license model.

This ain't MS's brainchild & a few whiny gamers ain't going to change it.

And really the "everyone on the planet" is up in arms rubbish is funny, getting stale, but funny.

Physical interfaces going away? I doubt that. Sometimes it is easier to hit a few buttons than to talk your way through something to a device. I still use a physical interface for everything I do, include playing my 360. So 1 point to Real World.

Set top boxes are going away? How are all those streams going to get to me? Set top box. Cable yesterday and today is streamed in. My Netflix shows up in a set top box. None of my shows are stored on a cloud. My internet goes out and I can still watch my recorded shows and movies on BD and DVD. Many who download still store it on local servers so they have access to it. Cloud storage costs money too. Think future revenue streams out of your pocket. Another point to Real World.

Why does the cloud need to preclude me from buying a disc and using the system off line? It does not. They can have both options with no issues but they want to limit our choices for their benefit. What Sony is doing is irrelevant to the discussion. Another point for Real World.

License subscription model = more revenue for corporations and less money in your pocket. Why are you in favor of that?

We will see who came up with this. I think it will be MS in the end standing alone. They have stated a few times that they are not changing. This does not sound like a company forced to do something, especially when they are the biggest publisher in this software space.

I never said everyone is up in arms, but did you see the 2 reveals on Monday. Standing O for Sony and silence for MS. Another point for Real World.
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Good old Cliff makes a killing selling his engine license to studios by marketing bigger, better, and prettier, but pricier. His opinion is valid, but also take into account his position of offering one of the best AAA licensed engines out there. He's not going to turn to you and tell you the COD engine is good enough and a heck of a lot cheaper, or that it brought in $3 Billion to Activision. Right? The current business model feeds his kids, and he want to keep it that way. I can't blame him, but I got a family too and I'm going to fight to make sure the costs he wants to keep get put on his side of the marketplace. He needs to figure it out, because I can just walk away.
Just so we're clear, he's not with Epic anymore and it isn't his engine to license. He's currently unemployed.
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

That was almost a year ago. MS would know about this.

Which may be why they might have a plan for used games selling. I have a feeling it will be more liberal in the EU than here. But feel free to continue to let MS take away freedoms from you.
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Originally Posted by ThumperII View Post

Which may be why they might have a plan for used games selling. I have a feeling it will be more liberal in the EU than here. But feel free to continue to let MS take away freedoms from you.

What freedoms are they exactly 'taking' away from me. They gonna come to my house and hold a gun to my head and force me to give them $$$ for a piece of entertainment?

I still have the freedom to tell them to F'off if I want. I don't need video games to live........its a luxury I choose to take part it. What MS is proposing with XB1 will make it much easier for me to take part in that luxury if I choose.

If we were talking about food or medicine instead of silly video games then all these arguments of freedoms being taken away or the poor people being denied access would be valid.


I had came back to these forums this week hoping to be talking about cool new tech and games coming this next gen..
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Originally Posted by ThumperII View Post

Which may be why they might have a plan for used games selling. I have a feeling it will be more liberal in the EU than here. But feel free to continue to let MS take away freedoms from you.

Which is what they have already stated and has been pointed out countless times.
People want to act like I is fact that you cannot sell used XB1 games. They already spelled out what it is and details will come in the coming months.
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Microsoft is going to build stores inside almost every Best buy store to showcase their products.
a store within a store
smart move in my opinion
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Originally Posted by ThumperII View Post

Which may be why they might have a plan for used games selling. I have a feeling it will be more liberal in the EU than here. But feel free to continue to let MS take away freedoms from you.
What a sad and entitled society we live in when people are so vocal about a company offering a new product that doesn't work like the old ones... and say absolutely nothing about the actual freedoms taken away from us by our own government every day. First world problems... rolleyes.gif

The only freedom Microsoft is taking from me is my freedom to have $800 in the bank come November... and I'm SO down with that!
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Originally Posted by domingos38 View Post

Microsoft is going to build stores inside almost every Best buy store to showcase their products.
a store within a store
smart move in my opinion
A store within a store? INCEPTION!!!! biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

A store within a store? INCEPTION!!!! biggrin.gif

So in theory you could be in Best Buy, in the Microsoft store, buying something through the MS store app or BB app (WP for example). A store within a store within a store.
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Originally Posted by ThumperII View Post

Physical interfaces going away? I doubt that. Sometimes it is easier to hit a few buttons than to talk your way through something to a device. I still use a physical interface for everything I do, include playing my 360. So 1 point to Real World.

I strongly agree, particularly in re most gestural control. People have hands and a sense of touch and they like to use them. On the other hand, there are small gestures that might work well for control; if I duck and dodge with my upper body it would be kind of cool if my third person avatar did so as well.

I do like a lot of voice control; my 360 Kinect has no problem understanding me speaking in a conversational tone and volume and some games, like Skyrim, are greatly enhanced. If it wasn't for Android Voice Commands I would never TXT anyone, or send e-mails on my phone. Entering text on little touchscreen keyboards is not something that I'm willing to do with my big fingers (not clumsy, mind you--I'm a fast typist as well as pianist and guitarist).

Still, no game should require Kinect to play, except for those where motion or voice is the main point, like dance and exercise games and motion sports games.
Edited by michaeltscott - 6/13/13 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by RafaelSmith View Post

What freedoms are they exactly 'taking' away from me. They gonna come to my house and hold a gun to my head and force me to give them $$$ for a piece of entertainment?

I still have the freedom to tell them to F'off if I want. I don't need video games to live........its a luxury I choose to take part it. What MS is proposing with XB1 will make it much easier for me to take part in that luxury if I choose.

Exactly--they're not taking anything from me but my cash smile.gif. They're offering a product with certain terms and restrictions and if I'm not willing to agree to those terms and restrictions I'm absolutely free not to buy that product.
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Originally Posted by ThumperII View Post

Physical interfaces going away? I doubt that. Sometimes it is easier to hit a few buttons than to talk your way through something to a device. I still use a physical interface for everything I do, include playing my 360. So 1 point to Real World.

Set top boxes are going away? How are all those streams going to get to me? Set top box. Cable yesterday and today is streamed in. My Netflix shows up in a set top box. None of my shows are stored on a cloud. My internet goes out and I can still watch my recorded shows and movies on BD and DVD. Many who download still store it on local servers so they have access to it. Cloud storage costs money too. Think future revenue streams out of your pocket. Another point to Real World.

Why does the cloud need to preclude me from buying a disc and using the system off line? It does not. They can have both options with no issues but they want to limit our choices for their benefit. What Sony is doing is irrelevant to the discussion. Another point for Real World.

License subscription model = more revenue for corporations and less money in your pocket. Why are you in favor of that?

We will see who came up with this. I think it will be MS in the end standing alone. They have stated a few times that they are not changing. This does not sound like a company forced to do something, especially when they are the biggest publisher in this software space.

I never said everyone is up in arms, but did you see the 2 reveals on Monday. Standing O for Sony and silence for MS. Another point for Real World.

You didnt say everyone is up in arms, but it has been said in this thread. Monday has come and gone. I'm more excited about the One after learning things after the PS4 reveal than I was before the PS4 reveal. I'm sure I'm not the only one either. Thats real world for you also.
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Originally Posted by domingos38 View Post

Microsoft is going to build stores inside almost every Best buy store to showcase their products.
a store within a store
smart move in my opinion

Unless Bestbuy is doing that for free, I don't see the intelligence in it.

Bestbuy is in the deaththrows of the death of retail, and is soon to be on the chopping block. I'd be surprised if they're still around in 6 years, unless they figure out something soon.
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

What a sad and entitled society we live in when people are so vocal about a company offering a new product that doesn't work like the old ones... and say absolutely nothing about the actual freedoms taken away from us by our own government every day. First world problems... rolleyes.gif

The only freedom Microsoft is taking from me is my freedom to have $800 in the bank come November... and I'm SO down with that!

I am worried about my other freedoms, but they would be off topic. Who says I am not vocal about them? Again, you are bringing up completely irrelevant topics to defend a corporation and a heap of plastic and chips. Interesting how you have your First World priorities well in hand. rolleyes.gif

Try playing your console when they turn off the dial home servers, or better when someone else shuts them off for MS.
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Does anyone know if were going to have to have to pay for 2 live memberships to use both the Xbox One and the Xbox 360?
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I strongly agree, particularly in re most gestural control. People have hands and a sense of touch and they like to use them. On the other hand, there are small gestures that might work well for control; if I duck and dodge with my upper body it would be kind of cool if my third person avatar did so as well.

I do like a lot of voice control; my 360 Kinect has no problem understanding me speaking in a conversational tone and volume and some games, like Skyrim, are greatly enhanced. If it wasn't for Android Voice Commands I would never TXT anyone, or send e-mails on my phone. Entering text on little touchscreen keyboards is not something that I'm willing to do with my big fingers (not clumsy, mind you--I'm a fast typist as well as pianist and guitarist).

Still, no game should require Kinect to play, except for those where motion or voice is the main point, like dance and exercise games and motion sports games.

I thought this would be cool too but what if I want to move around the couch to get more comfortable? Is my character going to move too? The voice I get but does not work for those playing when kids are asleep in the next room.

Tell me, what huge next and next, next gen advances is MS preparing for us by requiring:
1) Kinect to be attached to the Xbone all the time
2) Inability to verify discs offline to prove ownership
3) 24 hour check in or console bricks until another check in

Still have not seen this answered in 2370 posts.
Edited by ThumperII - 6/13/13 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by dall08fan View Post

Does anyone know if were going to have to have to pay for 2 live memberships to use both the Xbox One and the Xbox 360?

No, your Live account works across both platforms.
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Unless Bestbuy is doing that for free, I don't see the intelligence in it.

Bestbuy is in the deaththrows of the death of retail, and is soon to be on the chopping block. I'd be surprised if they're still around in 6 years, unless they figure out something soon.

Yes, but Apple does it. No one seems to agree but I see MS as having disregarded Sony as a competitor and really only sees Apple and Google.
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Originally Posted by dall08fan View Post

Does anyone know if were going to have to have to pay for 2 live memberships to use both the Xbox One and the Xbox 360?

No, your membership works on both the 360 and the Xbox One.
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Live Accounts:

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/22/4354646/xbox-live-gold-memberships-apply-to-both-xbox-one-and-360
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Xbox Live Gold memberships on Xbox One will be flexible and streamlined, according to Microsoft, allowing console owners to use their Gold account on both the Xbox One and Xbox 360 and letting multiple users share the same account.

"If you have an Xbox Gold membership today for 360 and you buy an Xbox One, your membership applies to both systems," Microsoft's Phil Harrison told Polygon. "You don't have to get another subscription."

Multiple members of a household will be able to share a single account, Harrison said, explaining, "Anybody who has usage privilege on that machine can use it."

Microsoft's Ben Kilgore said that multiple accounts will be able to ride on the same Xbox Live Gold membership, but that individual users will have access to their own friends lists and other personalizations.

"We want to make sure that you and your son both have your own account," Kilgore said, in describing the case of a father and son sharing an Xbox Live Gold membership. "We want you log in to get your stuff, and when he logs in to get his stuff. On that console, if you have Gold, he can use Gold as well."

Kilgore said that Microsoft is still working out the specifics of how players follow and befriend each other. One-way relationships may be part of Xbox Live's friends architecture, "something that's under development right now," and that Microsoft is working to determine "who your true two-way relationship friends are."
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Originally Posted by ThumperII View Post

I thought this would be cool too but what if I want to move around the couch to get more comfortable? Is my character going to move too? The voice I get but does not work for those playing when kids are asleep in the next room.

Tell me, what huge next and next, next gen advances is MS preparing for us by requiring:
1) Kinect to be attached to the Xbone
2) Inability to verify discs offline to prove ownership
3) 24 hour check in or console bricks until another check in

Still have not seen this answered in 2370 posts.

How in the world does anyone in this thread know what advances will be made in the next and next, next gen?

What happens if I walk away from the xbox during a commercial and I hear my show start back up but I have food on my hands because I'm cooking also. I say Xbox pause.

We can come up with random scenarios all day to justify or belittle.
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all the regulars, I'm not going to point them out, have done their best job of trying to get people to switch over to PS4. time to move on. there are better things for you guys to do than hang out here and just repeat the same things over and over again.

it makes it so hard to find information and this is the time we need to understand this new info and new system. it gets really bothersome trying to filter out the fake information when trying to find the real information.
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