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post #2491 of 14797
So then let's talk about games, you know the things we will be playing on these consoles? I really can't wait to see and hear more about Quantum Break. The idea behind it sounds really cool. I also think Ryse can be some fun, but I don't know if I would buy it day one or wait for a little bit on it. What are some of the exclusives that you guys are excited about?
post #2492 of 14797
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Originally Posted by ThumperII View Post

........Steam has competition. What will happen when Live is the sole source of Xbone games?
I doubt that will ever happen - have you not gotten or purchased DLC from Amazon? Works right through the console, I'm guessing (which all we're all doing at this point) it will be the same - various sources for downloading. Even if it isn't if Sony has X for cheaper then it will be competition.

Also I seriously doubt the publishers are going to mandate pricing.................well, okay, if they do they might want to take a look at what happened to book publishers when they did it.

My guess is the publishers wil be happier & so will the customer - if it follows the steam model (which is likely, market driven). Customer who wants day one pays $XX, soon enough the price falls and more are sold as they reach each customers tolerance level. Publisher gets some $$ of many more transactions & customer benifits from pricing that adapts to demand. Used games? Okay, so maybe Gamestop goes down the dumper.....................is anyone really sorry to see that happen?


The Gizmodo article pretty much nailed a rational response to what we know so far.
post #2493 of 14797
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Amazon/Gamestop/Walmart will be the direct competition. If MS doesn't bring their games down in price digitally, people will just pick them up physically when they go on sale/drop in price. Besides, I wasn't saying their would be steam-like sales. Just that you shouldn't expect launch titles to be cheaper just because the xbone is steam-like, cause steam doesn't do that either.
post #2494 of 14797
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

So then let's talk about games, you know the things we will be playing on these consoles? I really can't wait to see and hear more about Quantum Break. The idea behind it sounds really cool. I also think Ryse can be some fun, but I don't know if I would buy it day one or wait for a little bit on it. What are some of the exclusives that you guys are excited about?

I thought Titanfall was the best game of the show. I dunno why it's not getting the attention it deserves.
post #2495 of 14797
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Originally Posted by ThumperII View Post


Then why are games still $59 for the Xbone? Aren't we supposed to get cheaper games?

We actually do have rights as covered by law. EU even has a decision saying they have the right to sell downloads. There is also the First Sale Doctrine here which MS seems to be skirting. Yes, it is a hobby, but those are the things that make living a long live fun.
Games are still $59 because that's what the physical market will bear. It also takes into account the market effect of used games, including the retailers' end. The move to digital removes that, manufacturing costs and traditional marketing from the equation, which is why digital downloads will eventually be able to be offered a premium. It's transitional, though... It won't happen overnight.

And as I said earlier in the thread, that EU decision isn't what people think it is. The end user has the right to resell licenses direct from the publisher, but the publisher is under no legal force to provide a means by which to do so. Additionally, services like Steam skirt that law by having it in their terms of service that game purchases are permanently tied to a single account. The end result of that decision, at least where Steam is concerned, is that you have the legal right to sell your Steam account to someone else, along with all the games attached to it... but you don't have the legal right to move a license from your account to the account of someone else. Since Xbox Live ties games to your account, they aren't susceptible to those resell laws.

Legal precedent in the U.S. is similar, wherein the prevailing case is one where someone resold a license for an Autodesk product. The decision is much the same here, wherein licenses purchased from an individual company could potentially be transferred, but licensing done through a third-party provider is dictated by the terms of service of that provider. It also eliminates First Sale Doctrine from the picture, as the physical media is just the medium by which the software is tied to your account. So while I know internet "experts" keep referencing these things, they aren't remotely what people think they are. (Sorry... 15 years at a law firm prompts me to actually read stuff like this. Heh...)
post #2496 of 14797
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

So then let's talk about games, you know the things we will be playing on these consoles? I really can't wait to see and hear more about Quantum Break. The idea behind it sounds really cool. I also think Ryse can be some fun, but I don't know if I would buy it day one or wait for a little bit on it. What are some of the exclusives that you guys are excited about?

Ryse looked good, but that time period is not really my speed. Titan Fall looked good, and might give a nice twist to mech gaming. Of course, I'm a sucker for Halo even though there really wasn't anything to see in that regard.
post #2497 of 14797
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Originally Posted by ThumperII View Post

I think part of the issue is that you have true Xbox fans that feel betrayed by MS and are expressing the displeasure in the only way possible. I think this gen is polarizing for reasons other than just fanboyism.

This is basically where I'm at. That, plus I'll be surprised if multiplats don't look better on ps4 this gen.
post #2498 of 14797
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

I thought Titanfall was the best game of the show. I dunno why it's not getting the attention it deserves.
When I first saw it, I wasn't that impressed. But the more I read about it, the more I like it. I really see this as the future, with the blending of single player and multiplayer, especially when it comes to shooters. FPS's have gotten stale, but this could be a new avenue they go down. I could see myself getting 3-4 launch games this fall. I know I want Forza, BF4, and Quantun Break (I don't know if it's a release title), and will check out Titanfall. Is the division a launch title, because that will be a day one buyer for me.
post #2499 of 14797
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Originally Posted by J_P_A View Post

Ryse looked good, but that time period is not really my speed. Titan Fall looked good, and might give a nice twist to mech gaming. Of course, I'm a sucker for Halo even though there really wasn't anything to see in that regard.

Yeah, Ryse *looked* good....but I've also heard it doesn't play so great from the people who've tried it out on the show floor.
post #2500 of 14797
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

When I first saw it, I wasn't that impressed. But the more I read about it, the more I like it. I really see this as the future, with the blending of single player and multiplayer, especially when it comes to shooters. FPS's have gotten stale, but this could be a new avenue they go down. I could see myself getting 3-4 launch games this fall. I know I want Forza, BF4, and Quantun Break (I don't know if it's a release title), and will check out Titanfall. Is the division a launch title, because that will be a day one buyer for me.

Titanfall is coming Spring 2014, I dont think the division is a launch title either.
post #2501 of 14797
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Originally Posted by ThumperII View Post

Steam has competition. What will happen when Live is the sole source of Xbone games?
The pricing will still be dictated by the availability of the same games on other platforms where digital distribution is the delivery method. This isn't limited to a single console. For instance, Microsoft's push toward digital could very well benefit Sony's digital sales as well, since publishers will be motivated to adjust prices in a platform-agnostic way. That's already illustrated by recent events such as Alan Wake being sold in the humble bundle on PC and dropping to $5 the same day on Live. Even if Microsoft is the only distribution method for their closed-system platform, that doesn't insulate them from outside economic forces.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Titanfall is coming Spring 2014, I dont think the division is a launch title either.
Well damn. I guess that will give me plenty of time to get through the launch games that I want to play and get ready for them. There are other games that I will check out, but I will most likely wait on them to come down in price in the spring.
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The Division is one I keep coming back to as well. They did a great job with their demo.
post #2504 of 14797
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Originally Posted by J_P_A View Post

The Division is one I keep coming back to as well. They did a great job with their demo.

Yeah, the level of detail there was astounding. Call me crazy, but I was super impressed by the way he shut the door on the police car as he moved past it....it's the little things.
post #2505 of 14797
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Originally Posted by ultracat View Post

America is still largely a place where you can go to jail and lose your job and ruin your life for taking a hit from a bong, on your couch, on video.
Yes, but such evidence could not be presented in court since it would be considered fruit of a spoiled tree. If, in the unlikely event someone actually tried to use video from Kinect to pursue anything against you, they tried to use that in court, even a first year law student would have that evidence shot down. That's why no one pursues surveillance like that. Just sayin'...
post #2506 of 14797
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Originally Posted by J_P_A View Post

The Division is one I keep coming back to as well. They did a great job with their demo.
I'm a sucker for games with Tom Clancy on it. I am excited that they announced that Rainbow 6 will be a next generation game. That will be one that I can't wait for. Hopefully I am not waiting 3-4 years for it.
post #2507 of 14797
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Originally Posted by gpthree View Post

Why dont you view Sony as direct competition? They've already managed to get some consumers to buy the PS4 instead of the One. There are exclusive games on Live marketplace, but there are a ton of multi platform games for both systems. MS would much rather you buy them from Live than the PSN. Isnt that direct competition? I dont understand.

Once someone has bought into a platform, the consumers ability to move to competitors is hindered by additional hassle and cost factors. Sony is a competitor until the moment that the consumer sets up their Xbone and starts to play. At that point in the online only scenario, MS has a pretty large competitive advantage that they can turn into increased revenue.

Steam has true competition in that you can go elsewhere and buy games for your current machine with little additional hassle or cost.

MSs biggest hurdle in this is to get people to buy into their ecosystem.
post #2508 of 14797
Has it been officially announced that games are going to be $59? Or is that just based on today's Amazon prices?
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Originally Posted by Myrtledog View Post

Has it been officially announced that games are going to be $59? Or is that just based on today's Amazon prices?
Nothing confirmed yet. But I am guessing they won't be going up since Amazon would have to honor the prices that you pre-ordered it at.
post #2510 of 14797
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Yeah, the level of detail there was astounding. Call me crazy, but I was super impressed by the way he shut the door on the police car as he moved past it....it's the little things.

I noticed that too and was impressed. That is one of those things that is good to do in the real world but ignored in video games. These are the kinds of things I want to see instead of just prettier graphics. Lets think about game play now!
post #2511 of 14797
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

So then let's talk about games, you know the things we will be playing on these consoles? I really can't wait to see and hear more about Quantum Break. The idea behind it sounds really cool. I also think Ryse can be some fun, but I don't know if I would buy it day one or wait for a little bit on it. What are some of the exclusives that you guys are excited about?
As far as exclusives go, I have to say... I know Halo 5 is a ways away, but after the outstanding job 343 did with Halo 4, I can't wait to see what they can do with Xbox One's power. I was so afraid they would screw it up when they took over for Bungie, but MAN, did they hit that one out of the park.

And just because I think it needs to be mentioned more, PROJECT SPARK. Seriously... it's a natural evolution of what stuff like Kudo Game Labs and Little Big Planet have pushed, and WOW did they get me interested. The thought of teams of friends working in cooperation to create games using those tools, then being able to share those games and assets to the community? AWESOME. And I would love to see a possibility of full-fledged games created with that system being put up for sale somehow so that teams who actually invest the time to make something special can be motivated by profit. That was one of the coolest things I think we saw out of E3 this year.
post #2512 of 14797
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Yeah, the level of detail there was astounding. Call me crazy, but I was super impressed by the way he shut the door on the police car as he moved past it....it's the little things.

Yep, that was a cool touch. I wondered if it's a canned mechanic or if there is some interaction you can do. Probably the former, but it's still cool.
post #2513 of 14797
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Originally Posted by J_P_A View Post

Ryse looked good, but that time period is not really my speed. Titan Fall looked good, and might give a nice twist to mech gaming. Of course, I'm a sucker for Halo even though there really wasn't anything to see in that regard.

From the trailer alone I thought the visuals look cool but then I saw so many QTE's it turned me off. I just saw this article, if that is how the final build plays I would hate it even more.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/06/why-ryse-is-the-most-frustrating-game-of-e3/

Just a portion of the article:
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I’m on the battlefield. I’m stomping through the corpses of my comrades swinging my sword at anything that moves. I begin a combo, I slash twice and then whooom slow motion is initiated, **** is about to get ‘cinematic’. A button prompt hovers elusively above the sword I’m about to drive into the throat of my enemy… argh I’m too slow! The prompt flickers, disappears.

I missed it. Damn.

But then somehow, for some reason, I still complete the cinematic ‘kill’.

What?

Maybe it’s a bug I think, but no. Next time I deliberately press the wrong button. The kill goes ahead, no consequences. Then I try hitting no buttons whatsoever. The kill goes ahead. I put the controller on the table in front of me, the kill goes ahead.

What is going on here?

I ask one of the Crytek people hovering at the booth – is this a bug? Why am I completing kills when I hit the wrong button prompt? Or, worse, no button at all. Turns out it was a deliberate design choice.

“We don’t want the player to feel frustrated,” I am told.

Well it didn’t work. I didn’t work at all because I feel frustrated. I am frustrated because I am being denied the opportunity to be frustrated, denied the frustration that will motivate me to learn the game, to adapt.
post #2514 of 14797
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Originally Posted by J_P_A View Post

Yep, that was a cool touch. I wondered if it's a canned mechanic or if there is some interaction you can do. Probably the former, but it's still cool.

It looked automatic to me, like it just happened as the player moved past it.

post #2515 of 14797
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

As far as exclusives go, I have to say... I know Halo 5 is a ways away, but after the outstanding job 343 did with Halo 4, I can't wait to see what they can do with Xbox One's power. I was so afraid they would screw it up when they took over for Bungie, but MAN, did they hit that one out of the park.

And just because I think it needs to be mentioned more, PROJECT SPARK. Seriously... it's a natural evolution of what stuff like Kudo Game Labs and Little Big Planet have pushed, and WOW did they get me interested. The thought of teams of friends working in cooperation to create games using those tools, then being able to share those games and assets to the community? AWESOME. And I would love to see a possibility of full-fledged games created with that system being put up for sale somehow so that teams who actually invest the time to make something special can be motivated by profit. That was one of the coolest things I think we saw out of E3 this year.
I agree about Halo 4, and I am excited to see where they take the story in 5. Project Spark does seem pretty cool. It looks like a game that me and my wife can play, and that is awesome. I don't need to constantly blow crap up and kill dragons, it's nice to sit down with her and play a game like that too.

And on the talk about the small stuff in games, I am really looking forward to seeing the developers take advantage of the power of the new systems and make better enemy AI. That is one thing I look forward to the most this generation.
post #2516 of 14797
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

It looked automatic to me, like it just happened as the player moved past it.

I'm glad you posted that! Trying to save my GB's I was torn between going back and looking at trailer again or not.

Seeing that makes my heart happy! I like where the next gen is headed!
post #2517 of 14797
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

From the trailer alone I thought the visuals look cool but then I saw so many QTE's it turned me off. I just saw this article, if that is how the final build plays I would hate it even more.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/06/why-ryse-is-the-most-frustrating-game-of-e3/

Just a portion of the article:
I actually don't mind that. Maybe they can figure out a way so that it just doesn't reward you as much. I hated when I would play God of War and go through a long battle, then just miss a button press and had to go through the whole battle again until I did enough damage.
post #2518 of 14797
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Originally Posted by J_P_A View Post

I'm glad you posted that! Trying to save my GB's I was torn between going back and looking at trailer again or not.

Seeing that makes my heart happy! I like where the next gen is headed!
I am glad, but now it also makes me sad that I have to wait until next year to play this. Thanks a lot BD!
post #2519 of 14797
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Originally Posted by ThumperII View Post

Once someone has bought into a platform, the consumers ability to move to competitors is hindered by additional hassle and cost factors. Sony is a competitor until the moment that the consumer sets up their Xbone and starts to play. At that point in the online only scenario, MS has a pretty large competitive advantage that they can turn into increased revenue.

Steam has true competition in that you can go elsewhere and buy games for your current machine with little additional hassle or cost.

MSs biggest hurdle in this is to get people to buy into their ecosystem.

Ok. I see what you're saying, thanks.
post #2520 of 14797
Here's a link I found interesting (though I think the title is baiting people):
http://beta.fool.com/alexcho/2013/06/14/microsoft-crushed-sony-at-e3/37014/?source=eogyholnk0000001

Put aside the PS4 vs. Xbox One rhetoric for a moment and focus on the graph about half-way through of how the market has changed. Is anyone surprised that we've reached the threshold where digital needs to be the thing? Because looking at that graph... I get it. And I'm looking forward to seeing how it all shakes out.
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