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post #3691 of 14765
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Originally Posted by Nomad817 View Post

If you pre-order from BestBuy or Amazon are you charged immediately or when it ships?

Someone on another forum mentioned that BestBuy puts a hold on your card every week until it ships.
post #3692 of 14765
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Originally Posted by bucwylde23 View Post

Does Microsoft plan on releasing most titles day one as a DD? If so that's new and that still is a step in the right direction. If they aren't, well then, they are idiots.

I still don't get the problem. Now our options are:

1) if you want a disc to later sell/trade/give away, you can do that. You just miss out on fast game swapping/download whenever you want

2) if you like DD, you can do that and get all the benefits that go with it and deal with the DRM.

I actually think you're right here. One one hand, I'm happy that they so-called "listened" to consumers. On the other, I was excited by their vision and to see them cave soooo quickly is disappointing. It makes me wonder if they have the fortitude to stay the course to see through the rest of their aspirations for this generation.
post #3693 of 14765
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

MS has stated same day release for DD. What we are waiting on is details if we can do similar to Steam to download before release date and unlock.

That would be very nice since I expect the games to be pretty large. They almost have to do this???

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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

And after the poop-show that just went down, do you think any of them are going to be first to say "hey guys, love our DRM! KTHNX!". EA going to go back and put up MP passes again?

Yeah, not going to happen for a few years if at all this generation.

Anyways this is brilliant, not sure if it's been posted yet:

http://www.destructoid.com/an-industry-that-needs-xbox-one-drm-is-a-failed-industry-256643.phtml

Yeah I remember EA announcing they were dropping that? Everyone already hates them I can't imagine they want to make it any worse. Consumers sent a pretty clear message to all these companies, it's a pretty big deal that they forced MS to back down. I'm actually surprised people stuck with it and didn't just go with the flow and accept the BS they were trying to pull.

Love the last 2 paragraphs of that link. tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by Mach1_8 View Post

I actually think you're right here. One one hand, I'm happy that they so-called "listened" to consumers. On the other, I was excited by their vision and to see them cave soooo quickly is disappointing. It makes me wonder if they have the fortitude to stay the course to see through the rest of their aspirations for this generation.

I know what they were trying to do but I don't think we are there yet.

They didn't help themselves by being confusing with the details and acting like dicks basically telling us to "deal with it". No, Microsoft, you deal with it. biggrin.gif

Things like the video interview of Larry Hyrb with the Angry Joe guy on youtube where he grabs the microphone and says "are you a developer?". Yea like Major Nelson is a developer either. Cocky guy. Who's laughing now?
post #3695 of 14765
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

Exactly. Myself I buy used games a lot and sell games I'm done with as well. I of course keep some of my favorites. Having the option to do what I've been doing this gen and previous gens is fantastic. I'm surprised how badly MS lost touch of their core base that made the 360 so successful.


Now you know why they focused on TV ,TV, TV.. according to that MS employee, they expected to loose people but thought that this was going to be the Blueray/roku/gaming console with DRM to rule them all. They were all smoking from the same pipe and so full of themselves. They got away with bricking consoles, forcing console updates etc.... they just thought people would complain then come back like nice little lambs.
post #3696 of 14765
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Originally Posted by JediMastr View Post

...that means if I downloaded a game, my internet connection would be tied up for a long time.

It doesn't "tie up" your connection; I recently downloaded a buttload of DDs, having switched out my launch model PS3's HDD while not having a free USB drive large enough to back up all of my old stuff. The download included inFamous, Little Big Planet, Deus Ex: Human Evolution and all three Uncharted titles. I was able to trim this down to slightly over 90 GB by omitting big useless (to me) chunks like the pre-rendered 3D video from Uncharted 3; transferring it over my 25 Mbps cable service, I didn't finish until the next day. (It occurred to me afterwards that I didn't need to download all of that all at once, since I was only playing one of the games). While transferring that stuff I didn't perceive any big decrease in my network speed on other devices. I and my housemate kept making our normal use of the network and I watched several videos streamed from Netflix at the 6 Mbps "Super HD" video quality level. If there are problems, many routers, like my ASUS one, will let you easily lower the priority of a specific device. With both the Xbox One and PS4 you're supposed to be able to start playing a game relatively quickly after you begin the download; I'm guessing that they download the core engine and all of the art assets, media assets and scripts needed to play the initial levels first.

What it did tie up was the PS3, since many games and apps suspend network downloads while you're running them. I expect that won't be the case with the next gen consoles.

Under the old Xbox One scheme I was going to buy discs to save myself the time necessary to download and the hit to my network cap (300GB, which we currently rarely exceed half of, but chunks the probable size of many next gen games could put significant strain of that). Can't do that now, being one of those who don't want to find and load discs. Sadly it'll now be very challenging for people with lower speed network service and low caps to go disc-less.
post #3697 of 14765
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

And after the poop-show that just went down, do you think any of them are going to be first to say "hey guys, love our DRM! KTHNX!". EA going to go back and put up MP passes again?

Yeah, not going to happen for a few years if at all this generation.

Anyways this is brilliant, not sure if it's been posted yet:

http://www.destructoid.com/an-industry-that-needs-xbox-one-drm-is-a-failed-industry-256643.phtml

That is a great article!
post #3698 of 14765
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Originally Posted by samendolaro View Post

Now you know why they focused on TV ,TV, TV.. according to that MS employee, they expected to loose people but thought that this was going to be the Blueray/roku/gaming console with DRM to rule them all. They were all smoking from the same pipe and so full of themselves. They got away with bricking consoles, forcing console updates etc.... they just thought people would complain then come back like nice little lambs.

Exactly right, MS expected "their" base that made them so successful on the 360 would just blindly eat anything they served them.
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Originally Posted by bucwylde23 View Post

Does Microsoft plan on releasing most titles day one as a DD? If so that's new and that still is a step in the right direction. If they aren't, well then, they are idiots.

I still don't get the problem. Now our options are:

1) if you want a disc to later sell/trade/give away, you can do that. You just miss out on fast game swapping/download whenever you want

2) if you like DD, you can do that and get all the benefits that go with it and deal with the DRM.

Well you do lose the ability to gift the DD (which was confirmed) and to sell the DD (even if only to authorized dealers but was confirmed) and the ability to buy the disk from BB\amazon\whoever to get their exclusive content\specials and then STILL get the benifits of DD. So even if the "family" plan wasnt what people thought there are things that are lost.
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Originally Posted by Ripeer View Post

Maybe Microsoft is smarter than were giving them credit for.... bare with me.
Now all the people that want to do fast switching will HAVE to buy DD.

well they certainly got me. I cancelled all my disc pre-orders and will be getting them from DD instead.
post #3701 of 14765
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Originally Posted by bucwylde23 View Post

I know what they were trying to do but I don't think we are there yet.

They didn't help themselves by being confusing with the details and acting like dicks basically telling us to "deal with it". No, Microsoft, you deal with it. biggrin.gif

Things like the video interview of Larry Hyrb with the Angry Joe guy on youtube where he grabs the microphone and says "are you a developer?". Yea like Major Nelson is a developer either. Cocky guy. Who's laughing now?

To be fair, I doubt they just flipped a switch. They probably have some re-engineering to do, but they've got a few months to figure it out.
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Originally Posted by vertigo235 View Post

Someone on another forum mentioned that BestBuy puts a hold on your card every week until it ships.

Indeed they do. I pre-ordered a Wii U with them since Amazon didn't carry it. It can also cause your card to go into fraud protection mode and get your pre-order cancelled. It's annoying and I try to stay away from them for pre-orders.
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Originally Posted by Monger View Post

Indeed they do. I pre-ordered a Wii U with them since Amazon didn't carry it. It can also cause your card to go into fraud protection mode and get your pre-order cancelled. It's annoying and I try to stay away from them for pre-orders.

Meh, I have a best buy card and have no reason to put anythinge else on it till launch....so hold away.
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post



Under the old Xbox One scheme I was going to buy discs to save myself the time necessary to download and the hit to my network cap (300GB, which we currently rarely exceed half of, but chunks the probable size of many next gen games could put significant strain of that). Can't do that now, being one of those who don't want to find and load discs. Sadly it'll now be very challenging for people with lower speed network service and low caps to go disc-less.

While my internet speed is really good this is a 'feature/benefit' I was really looking forward too.

I still think people are missing the big picture when talking about what it would mean to eliminate the distinction between bits on disc and bits on the net.
post #3705 of 14765
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Originally Posted by Nomad817 View Post

If you pre-order from BestBuy or Amazon are you charged immediately or when it ships?

I had a hold put on the amount the XBOne cost. But I also used my BestBuy credit card for the 18 months no interest financing.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

To be fair, I doubt they just flipped a switch. They probably have some re-engineering to do, but they've got a few months to figure it out.

Pretty sure that is what the "except for one time XBOX one setup requiring internet connection" clause in their new FAQ is about.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

To be fair, I doubt they just flipped a switch. They probably have some re-engineering to do, but they've got a few months to figure it out.

I don't doubt it takes some work, but that's not what bothers me. It's his attitude about it. I love when someone who is not a developer tells someone else "you are not a developer!"

Nobody cares how much work it takes MS to remove that crap, we aren't the ones that added it in when they shouldn't have. They've got an army of developers.

I'm still not sold that they weren't just testing the waters to see what they could get away with. They took a gamble and failed.
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Originally Posted by AHDTVDiet View Post

Meh, I have a best buy card and have no reason to put anythinge else on it till launch....so hold away.

Cool story?

There are others on this forum who won't be using a best buy card who may want to know how it works. It would suck to lose your pre-order because it triggered fraud protection because they do stupid stuff like put a hold on top of the hold that was already there.
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MS does seem to be saying "We gave you what you wanted but now you can't have this..." in regards to gifting DD and the like.

They obviously haven't learned yet. They seem reluctant to add value where it is easiest. , if they aren't careful Sony is going to implement and announce it . It seems like a pretty simple thing for Sony to give everything MS takes away. Then MS is going to say here you can have this back.. they are going to look like a fool.
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Originally Posted by vertigo235 View Post

As one of the supporters of the "idea" for Xbox One, who was initially disappointed yesterday with the anouncement.

If the timed demo details are true about "family sharing" then I'm glad they did the 180 and didn't go forward with it.

Sadly, we will never know the full story now. frown.gif
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Originally Posted by pittsoccer33 View Post

I wonder if Microsoft didn't think Sony would implement more DRM requirements. They could have got a sense of that from discussions with the game makers.

And it sounds like Sony DID put it on the table - wasn't their message something like "well we won't restrict game lending and reselling, but 3rd party developers might."

Can you imagine if EA, Take 2, Activision, etc has a restrictive policy in place on XB1 and then, given the option, DOESNT make the policy the same on PS4? I can already read the press release "to simplify the consumer experience across all platforms"

Somebody at MS f'ed up BIG TIME. They had to have that stuff ironed out long before E3. They took a gamble and lost.
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Originally Posted by Bailey151 View Post

Yep, kinect is next - que the tinfoil hat brigade (same 1/2 wits who have a phone with them everywhere biggrin.gif ).

Thanks for calling us "1/2 wits" rolleyes.gif. We of the "tinfoil hat brigade" don't buy phones with front facing cameras or tape them over if we do. We lay them rear-camera side down when not in use, or have them in our pockets, packs and purses. We avoid laptops with webcams and don't have webcams attached to our desktops. We can still live life while avoiding the possibility of covert electronic observation in our homes biggrin.gif. How much longer that'll be true is unknown, but we can push back on X-boneheaded things like mandatory Kinect plug-in.

The thing is ugly (the console's not particularly pretty but I can put it where I don't have to see it) and I don't necessarily want to have to find a good permanent mounting place for it. It seems rude to ask my guests to sit in front of an obvious camera, even if I can say that I don't think that it's on. In the end, I just shouldn't have to deal with with the device if I'm not going to use it, or have my console bricked if it breaks.
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Originally Posted by bucwylde23 View Post

How much cheaper do you think it would have gotten? There is no guarantee it would have anyways. What WAS guaranteed was ridiculous DRM that the majority of people didn't want.

It still could get cheaper if Microsoft is smart, which I'm really doubting these days. If they push their DD hard and make it appealing maybe they can slowly convert people over to disc-less gaming. You aren't going to win people over by confusing them and forcing something on them they don't want.
Nobody can say it would have been cheaper, but it could have been. It could follow the steam model, easily. Publishers would be happy with various amounts of revenue at different levels. Much like movies - those that don't do well at the box office are immediately shipped off to DVD where they generate more revenue & then sold off to newtorks at an even lower revenue level...................but they make some $$ at every step in the process. Today with games? Not so much.

I saw nothing of "ridiculous" DRM.............yeah, 24hr check in was lame. Though really who's not connected these days, to say differently is just FUD rubbish. I saw no reason for the 24hr...just authenticate once should have done it. No used? Fine, don't give a damn, no loss. Would have liked the sharing.....can also see how it could have been abused.

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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

That's kind of the message MS pushed though. Being able to Skype, watch Football, do you fantasy football and voice command your channel changing, then a little game as well.
Welcome to the real world...............you or I may not be a fan but it is what it is.

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Originally Posted by Mach1_8 View Post

..............Apple consistently gets top scores for customer satisfaction. To confuse "expensive" with unfriendly to consumers displays a woeful lack of understanding. Further, the so called price fixing case is laughable at best...but we will see when the judge rules.
You can shovel that manure all you want - but charging top $ for mid or lower level products is pretty much screwing the customer............but hey if you can get away with it biggrin.gif And for the iGoobs they can do no wrong so surveys are meaningless. Call it laugable if you want but fixing the price ain't consumer friendly, wasn't consumer friendly when the book publishers did it either/together.
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off topic but this thread seems to be getting the most traction...

is xbox.com/ xbl down for everyone else?
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Originally Posted by Leo_Ames View Post

And yes, Sony did something. They avoided draconian DRM that Microsoft initially went with that they could have just as easily adapted and instead went with a system like that which is already present which while not perfect, still had a lot more of the freedom we've traditionally enjoyed than the Xbox One initially did before Microsoft backtracked.

I personally think that Sony may well have been planning something comparable and then backed down when they saw the backlash of Microsoft's reveal in May, ever increasing through and after E3.
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Originally Posted by bucwylde23 View Post

Just curious but why would you want to be in a different game while waiting for COD matchmaking? Just get in COD lobby and wait. It hardly takes any time at all. What am I missing here?
Not just in a different game, but doing anything... Watching TV or a movie, playing a single-player arcade game just to kill time, etc. Then when my friend that I want to play with gets on, he sees that I want to play COD and as soon as he's ready, it lets me know and I can instantly change from what I'm doing to that game and go straight into the lobby. The asychronous matchmaking was basically the existing matchmaking plus a refinement of the beacon system so that it would notify you when it's time to game with your people. And I know some people see no value in that... but I miss a lot of gaming opportunities from watching something on my DVR and not knowing that my usual crew of people are online playing multiplayer, so it would have been a nice feature for me. And so long as I go all-digital, I'm hoping that will still work.
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Originally Posted by henhowc View Post

off topic but this thread seems to be getting the most traction...

is xbox.com/ xbl down for everyone else?

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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Under the old Xbox One scheme I was going to buy discs to save myself the time necessary to download and the hit to my network cap (300GB, which we currently rarely exceed half of, but chunks the probable size of many next gen games could put significant strain of that). Can't do that now, being one of those who don't want to find and load discs. Sadly it'll now be very challenging for people with lower speed network service and low caps to go disc-less.
Actually, they're still saying that if you borrow a friend's disc and install it to your hard drive, you'll be able to opt to buy a license to keep it on your machine, which does bypass the bandwidth issue. Still... you have to have a friend who has the disc version to do that... or buy the disc, install it, pay the license fee, then sell the disc immediately (which will likely still cost you extra). I really do wish they had found a better way.
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Originally Posted by bucwylde23 View Post


Going down yesterday would have been much better timing. MS couldn't even crash Live at the right time; there is always Christmas day if it is true that you still need to activate your console after purchase online for games work.
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Originally Posted by henhowc View Post

off topic but this thread seems to be getting the most traction...

is xbox.com/ xbl down for everyone else?

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