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post #4561 of 14773
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

Don't take it from me though... Take it from Respawn's Abbie Heppe, from their forums

EA, their publisher, did make an exclusivity deal (here). How long it will remain exclusive is unknown; apparently under the terms of the deal EA is not allowed to talk about it. I'd personally expect the deal to have been for at least a year with a PS4 version not appearing before late Spring of 2015. Of course, the PS4 version will probably be quite a bit more refined by then with extra features and content.
Edited by michaeltscott - 7/3/13 at 10:17am
post #4562 of 14773
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

EA, their publisher, did make an exclusivity deal (here). How long it will remain exclusive is unknown; apparently under the terms of the deal EA is not allowed to talk about it. I'd personally expect the deal to have been for at least a year with a PS4 version not appearing before late Spring of 2015. Of course, the PS4 version will probably be quite a bit more refined by then with extra features and content.
I stand corrected, sir! Guess I should have known that EA would have the money hat on!
post #4563 of 14773
Titanfall won 6 Game Critics Awards for E3--see this, including Best of Show, Best Original Game, Best Console Game, Best PC Game, Best Action Game and Best Online Multiplayer. The voting was by this list of publications (which I could only find represented graphically rolleyes.gif):

2013 Game Critics Awards Best of E3 Voting Publications (Click to show)
votingpubs2013_revise.jpg

EDIT: I did find a textual list of the judges here.

Interesting to note, looking at the stats, that 11 PC games were awarded, 10 Xbox One, 10 Xbox 360, 4 PS4 and 3 PS3 (multiplatforms are counted for each platform they're announced for). That matches up with my impressions: for me, Xbox One had much the stronger games story; I nodded off during the PS4 press conference. 3 of the 4 awarded PS4 games are also announced for Xbox One; all 3 of the awarded PS3 games are announced for 360.
Edited by michaeltscott - 7/3/13 at 10:50am
post #4564 of 14773
Yeah, I thought the X1 had the stronger early exclusive lineup too.

They're all still launch games though, they'll probably seem as lame as perfect dark zero in a few years.
post #4565 of 14773
Interesting read on Sunset Overdrive here:
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/07/02/ted-price-talks-sunset-overdrive-and-the-advantage-of-the-cloud-and-microsoft_2700_s-changing-platform-policies-.aspx

It's strange to hear someone we normally relate with Sony talking about the advantages of Microsoft's cloud services. I really think online multiplayer is going to get changed in some very intriguing ways, and that we're going to see more updates on the server side without our knowledge rather than the occasional title update we get for games now. Pretty cool.
post #4566 of 14773
Arstechnica has a more detailed article on the new reputation system. Seems to assuage the worries I had for abuse of the system. I also like the idea that you don't need your friends to boost each other up in order to have a good reputation. Some of the worst people on Xbox Live had sterling reputations because their friends boosted each other up.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/07/microsoft-explains-xbox-ones-new-griefer-separating-reputation-system/

On the Xbox 360, your Xbox Live reputation is a simple five-star rating that is often ignored by the community at large. On the Xbox One, though, the reputation system will get a complete overhaul that will use more detailed monitoring and reporting tools to separate antisocial players from the rest of the community.

Xbox Community Manager Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb first mentioned the reputation system overhaul during last month's E3. He discussed how players would be grouped into broad categories of "Good Player," "Need Improvement," or "Avoid Me" based on feedback from fellow players and from automated logging of things like "block" or "mute" actions. In a new interview with the UK's Official Xbox Magazine, Microsoft Senior Product Manager Mike Lavin discussed the system in a little more detail.

Players who prefer to stick with a party of known people in their friends lists won't be affected by the reputation system changes, Lavin said. Those playing with random, anonymous strangers, though, will quickly find that they are matched up with people who have similar reputation scores.

"There'll be very good things that happen to people that just play their games and are good participants," Lavin said. "And you'll start to see some effects if you continue to play bad, or harass other people en masse. You'll probably end up starting to play more with other people that are more similar to you."

In other words, griefers and those who can't seem to stop throwing around unpleasant epithets on a public chat channel will be automatically grouped together in matches where they can't annoy those of us who are just trying to play a polite, relaxing game. The plan bears some resemblance to one used for Max Payne 3 last year, where Rockstar sequestered players using hacks in a "Cheaters Pool" populated only by other players using illegal enhancements.

The new system should help stratify groups of players who often have very different ideas of what social norms are acceptable for online gameplay. As former Xbox Live Head of Enforcement Stephen Toulouse told Ars Technica in an interview last year, "You find in the hardcore world people are more tolerant of miscreant behavior. They either are trash talkers themselves or don’t view that as necessarily against the rules, even though it is. But you start to throw in the casual gamer that plays the occasional Modern Warfare 3 match, and that population expects that there be repercussions for breaking the rules."

Players will be able to increase their reputation on Xbox One by going for long stretches without negative reports from other players, "similar to the more hours you drive without an accident, the better your driving record and insurance rates will be," as Hryb puts it. But that doesn't mean a few errant negative reports will send your reputation tanking. "There is no way at all that a conglomerate of people can conspire to sink your Reputation on the system," Lavin said. "The way that it's built fundamentally stops that. It's very much over a period of time—if we see consistently that people, for instance, don't like playing with you, that you're consistently blocked..."

Players will also be able to increase their reputations by taking part in Microsoft's community programs, such as Xbox Live Rewards, Lavin said. In addition, parties will be saddled with the reputation score of their lowest player in order to encourage some level of peer pressure even among friends.
post #4567 of 14773
Nice read. I am glad that they are taking steps to stick the idiots together. I'm usually in a party chat, so it doesn't bother me, but when I am not I hate hearing all the e thugs act the way they do.
post #4568 of 14773
I'm not convinced. The said all the same stuff about the current rep system before the 360 launched, and we all know the zones and rep mean absolutely nothing on 360. I believe they revamped it, I just don't believe it will be better yet.
post #4569 of 14773
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

The new system should help stratifPlayers will be able to increase their reputation on Xbox One by going for long stretches without negative reports from other players, "similar to the more hours you drive without an accident, the better your driving record and insurance rates will be," as Hryb puts it.

But if you get "exiled to the land of the cussing singers" biggrin.gif who will complain? Won't your reputation just slowly improve no matter how much annoying behavior you engage in?
post #4570 of 14773
the only thing that would concern me would be if I fit this scenario... let's say I'm an elite player (which is the farthest thing from the truth in reality). I'm a good guy that gets lumped in with the good guys. chances are pretty good that the level of competition is lower. the elite players are often jerks. if I want to play against the elite players, can I not play against them because I'm not in the same reputation tier?

I'm sure they've accounted for this but I'm curious how this works in reality.

but I see this working out overall. I know some friends that never play COD out of party because they feel intimidated by the hardcore players. Maybe now they can venture outside the friends group and play more people.

They make a nice analogy of having a clean driving record boosting your reputation versus depending on people to boost your reputation.
post #4571 of 14773
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Titanfall won 6 Game Critics Awards for E3--see this, including Best of Show, Best Original Game, Best Console Game, Best PC Game, Best Action Game and Best Online Multiplayer. The voting was by this list of publications (which I could only find represented graphically rolleyes.gif):

2013 Game Critics Awards Best of E3 Voting Publications (Click to show)
votingpubs2013_revise.jpg

EDIT: I did find a textual list of the judges here.

Interesting to note, looking at the stats, that 11 PC games were awarded, 10 Xbox One, 10 Xbox 360, 4 PS4 and 3 PS3 (multiplatforms are counted for each platform they're announced for). That matches up with my impressions: for me, Xbox One had much the stronger games story; I nodded off during the PS4 press conference. 3 of the 4 awarded PS4 games are also announced for Xbox One; all 3 of the awarded PS3 games are announced for 360.

Of the 10 Xbox One / Xbox 360 awards....are 6 of them Titanfall? If so, I'd say your conclusion is a little skewed. Basically, if this is the list:

http://gamecriticsawards.com/winners.html

then all it's telling you is that Titanfall swept most of the categories and Titanfall is not available on the PS4. So the whole point is Titanfall is on the One but not the PS4, so the One will be the better console? Very flimsy, obviously. Am I missing something?
post #4572 of 14773
A console is only as good as it's games. Titanfall and Xbox One FTW.
post #4573 of 14773
The only thing I don't like is if you keep getting kicked from games , there are lots of reasons. But like in your example sometimes very good players get booted ., People also get booted if they don't use their mic.

You will also have the people or groups with a vendettas which will go out of their way to make accusations if they know that the end result will be that the player goes to MS Jail for a while.

no better way to become king of the hill then to lock the king up.


A better way would be if MS could somehow partner with the NSA, ... smile.gif
post #4574 of 14773
I've been a huge Microsoft guy since the original X-BOX, but some of these non-sensical decisions that they've made have me favoring the new PS4.

Maybe some people are excited about the Kinnect, but I honestly couldn't care less about this "motion sensored" stuff. If it appealed to me that much, why not buy a WiiU and save $250?

They're basically forcing everyone to pay extra for what essentially amounts to a $100 dust collector for most gamers.

98% of the Kinnect games for the 360 and games that were built around Playstation Move totally blew.
post #4575 of 14773
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Originally Posted by Deckard757 View Post

I've been a huge Microsoft guy since the original X-BOX, but some of these non-sensical decisions that they've made have me favoring the new PS4.

Maybe some people are excited about the Kinnect, but I honestly couldn't care less about this "motion sensored" stuff. If it appealed to me that much, why not buy a WiiU and save $250?

They're basically forcing everyone to pay extra for what essentially amounts to a $100 dust collector for most gamers.

98% of the Kinnect games for the 360 and games that were built around Playstation Move totally blew.

Just like the Wii I don't care for the Wii U. Kinect is nothing like the Wii or Wii U and with the enhancements for Kinect 2 I am looking forward to owning it. One of the biggest factors I like with MS is Live and have enjoyed every since I was in the beta. The service is still the best IMO. I have a PS4 on preorder along with the ONE but Sony has to prove to me they finally got the issues they still have with PSN today and the store will be a better experience on the PS4. If the improvements they talk about are not much better I have no issue using my 30 day policy return I am only interested with some exclusives and at this point the only game I am interested in is Second Son and I really didn't have much fun with the first two.
post #4576 of 14773
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Originally Posted by Deckard757 View Post

I've been a huge Microsoft guy since the original X-BOX, but some of these non-sensical decisions that they've made have me favoring the new PS4.

Maybe some people are excited about the Kinnect, but I honestly couldn't care less about this "motion sensored" stuff. If it appealed to me that much, why not buy a WiiU and save $250?

They're basically forcing everyone to pay extra for what essentially amounts to a $100 dust collector for most gamers.

98% of the Kinnect games for the 360 and games that were built around Playstation Move totally blew.

I completely disagree. There are benefits to the kinect that could exist that we don't even know about yet. Just off the top of my head there could be a mechanic where you do a quick tilt of your controller to reload a weapon. There have been mentions of tapping your head to turn on a visor. Pretty cool stuff. If they didn't have it required then developers would really never utilize it. I think it is awesome to have the ability to turn the console on by voice as well.
post #4577 of 14773
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Originally Posted by ultracat View Post

Of the 10 Xbox One / Xbox 360 awards....are 6 of them Titanfall? If so, I'd say your conclusion is a little skewed.

I'm sorry--I worded that poorly; those were award counts, not counts of games awarded. The awards for Xbox One games were 6 for Titanfall, 1 for Fantasia: Music Evolved and 1 each for 3 multiplatforms also announced for the PS4. Basically the Xbox One had 2 awarded exclusives and the PS4 had one (being "Best Downloadable" for some strange little game called Transistor (though no stranger than Fantasia biggrin.gif)..
post #4578 of 14773
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Originally Posted by ctiq21 View Post

If they didn't have it required then developers would really never utilize it.

I hear that over and over again. Is it a good excuse for requiring that consumers pay Microsoft hundreds of millions of dollars for equipment that many of them have no interest in owning? It would make more sense for MS to pay the developers an incentive to work with Kinect: "Propose innovative uses of Kinect to us and if we approve we'll pay you X million dollars to add it to your game". Instead of forcing Kinect on people who don't want it, MS should do what they can to get features added to games so that more people will want Kinect.

I have a close friend who loves his Xboxes but won't buy Kinect because it creeps him out; he has six kids and I suggested that he might want to try it to get them playing some of the games which keep them on their feet and moving. He won't be buying Xbox One at all. I'm sure that he's not the only person who feels that way. (I wonder if they did any market research for this thing before announcement at all)?

Mandatory Kinect is a bad idea. Period.
post #4579 of 14773
I'm excited about what Kinect can bring to the table. It's the little things added onto to AAA games that will really enhance the experience.

And for the little ones, Kinect 2.0 is going to be awesome....

On a different note, I just watched the gamespot review for Perfect Dark Zero:

http://www.gamespot.com/perfect-dark-zero/reviews/perfect-dark-zero-review-6140242/

The review raves about amazing visuals...blablabla. Compared to modern day 2013 games, it looks downright ugly.

Just think of how amazingly detailed and gorgeous XB1 and PS4 games will looks in 4-5 years, it's an exciting time to be a gamer.
post #4580 of 14773
Thread Starter 
[read in South Park redneck voice] I think MS is a big turd. Why would they force me to buy a controller for my system? I hate controllers and I never want to use them. Why couldn't they just incentivise developers to make the controller useful and then I'll decide if I want one... /snarky comment.

Seriously though. What MS is saying by including the Kinect is that it is an essential part of the Xbone experiece just as much as you having a controller. It's no longer an extra piece of hardware, it is a part of the console just as much as a controller. Buy it or don't
post #4581 of 14773
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Originally Posted by ahartig View Post

I'm excited about what Kinect can bring to the table. It's the little things added onto to AAA games that will really enhance the experience.

And for the little ones, Kinect 2.0 is going to be awesome....

On a different note, I just watched the gamespot review for Perfect Dark Zero:

http://www.gamespot.com/perfect-dark-zero/reviews/perfect-dark-zero-review-6140242/

The review raves about amazing visuals...blablabla. Compared to modern day 2013 games, it looks downright ugly.

Just think of how amazingly detailed and gorgeous XB1 and PS4 games will looks in 4-5 years, it's an exciting time to be a gamer.
How dare you bring that optimism into this thread. You should be banned for that.
post #4582 of 14773
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

How dare you bring that optimism into this thread. You should be banned for that.

LOL, seriously. The hate and bickering must stop, can't we all just get along! biggrin.gif
post #4583 of 14773
^^Holy crap. You might get banned, but I laughed so hard at that picture. It really is sad that this thread is ruined by the same people complaining about the same stuff over and over again, especially when you aren't forced to buy the system.
post #4584 of 14773
It's unfortunate that the way the forums are organized kind of forces people to choose a side, and reinforces divisions between "xbox people" and "playstation people". There really isn't a good place here for people to just talk about this stuff in general without the natives getting upset that "the other side" is invading their territory.

I would like to think most people regardless of whichever systems they choose are just interested in gaming in general, and would like to just talk about this stuff and even disagree without people feeling like they're being personally violated.
post #4585 of 14773
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

It's unfortunate that the way the forums are organized kind of forces people to choose a side, and reinforces divisions between "xbox people" and "playstation people". There really isn't a good place here for people to just talk about this stuff in general without the natives getting upset that "the other side" is invading their territory.

I would like to think most people regardless of whichever systems they choose are just interested in gaming in general, and would like to just talk about this stuff and even disagree without people feeling like they're being personally violated.
That's true BD, but you also know personally how crazy things can get when they don't separate. Just look at the anandtech forums, they are a mess. That's the bad thing about where we are in the generation, while we know a little about the machines, we haven't seen enough of the games to be able to talk about them, and most of the games are still close to a year off.

I don't expect everything to be cheery in the forums and conversation about potential problems is always a good thing, but at this point, hearing for the 100th time that Kinect shouldn't be required or that the specs are weaker on the XB1 which means it will suck down the road is beyond old.
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

That's true BD, but you also know personally how crazy things can get when they don't separate. Just look at the anandtech forums, they are a mess. That's the bad thing about where we are in the generation, while we know a little about the machines, we haven't seen enough of the games to be able to talk about them, and most of the games are still close to a year off.

I don't expect everything to be cheery in the forums and conversation about potential problems is always a good thing, but at this point, hearing for the 100th time that Kinect shouldn't be required or that the specs are weaker on the XB1 which means it will suck down the road is beyond old.

That place is a bad example because its almost entirely unmoderated, and the only people that remain there seem to hate modern video games, or just get a kick out of fighting with each other. I just cant stand the place anymore. At least here the mods will check people if they get too far out of line, and it keeps it mostly civilized. I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that its not separated, the vast majority of people here are adults and act like it. Deep down I really don't think most people actually care who owns which platform, and probably own a whole bunch of them....and even if they don't own it, they're still interested in it anyway.

I completely get why some people might be sick and tired of hearing about some of this stuff...but some people are still enjoying the back and forth. I don't see any issue with that as long as it's not getting personal. There's really no way to separate that out unless there was an active general gaming subforum in addition to the platform specific ones...until then, this and the PS4 thread (where it gets equally tribal and defensive) are really the only places to have that discussion, despite the fact that it overlaps with the people who have already settled on a single platform, and don't want to hear about anything else.
post #4587 of 14773
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

It's unfortunate that the way the forums are organized kind of forces people to choose a side, and reinforces divisions between "xbox people" and "playstation people". There really isn't a good place here for people to just talk about this stuff in general without the natives getting upset that "the other side" is invading their territory.

I would like to think most people regardless of whichever systems they choose are just interested in gaming in general, and would like to just talk about this stuff and even disagree without people feeling like they're being personally violated.

with blogs, forums, facebook, etc. and no face to face interaction people seem to feel it is OK to be rude or mean just to get their opinion out there it seems like. There really is no punishment for it and honestly I believe in my right to free speech, but it does get kinda insane. There are forums I no longer go on because of people being rude for no reason other than they disagree with you.

I will even venture to say that some of my comments could possibly be taken as rude by I try to always be careful about how I word things.

Now to another previous post you made about launch games:

I have yet to see a game that will make me decide between which system I want.

My current "game of the hour" is The Division which will be on PS4 and X1 and unconfirmed for PC. As primarily a PC gamer I would probably wait for it to come to PC to be honest. I find the seemless blend of MP and SP and COOP to be very interesting and I like the "companion app" for friends to control drones.

The other games that have my interest are

Project Spark(Windows 8)
Watch Dogs(PC)
Infamous Second Son
Destiny(Rumored for PC)
Forza 5
Titan Fall(PC)

so you have one game for each console that could sway my decision...but considering how much that I am interested that are coming to PC...I personally my just stick with my PC and get an Oppo BDP-103...

I hope to see more about these consoles though, I am also particularly interested in seeing what MS does with the new Kinect cause I can see a potential for a cheaper set top box with it to be a voice controlled universal remote sort of application/streamer. Time will tell.
post #4588 of 14773
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Titanfall won 6 Game Critics Awards for E3--see this, including Best of Show, Best Original Game, Best Console Game, Best PC Game, Best Action Game and Best Online Multiplayer. The voting was by this list of publications (which I could only find represented graphically rolleyes.gif):

2013 Game Critics Awards Best of E3 Voting Publications (Click to show)
votingpubs2013_revise.jpg

EDIT: I did find a textual list of the judges here.

Interesting to note, looking at the stats, that 11 PC games were awarded, 10 Xbox One, 10 Xbox 360, 4 PS4 and 3 PS3 (multiplatforms are counted for each platform they're announced for). That matches up with my impressions: for me, Xbox One had much the stronger games story; I nodded off during the PS4 press conference. 3 of the 4 awarded PS4 games are also announced for Xbox One; all 3 of the awarded PS3 games are announced for 360.

There's been a persisting opinion here that the XBO has the strongest game line up. These awards cement that idea. Def great news for XBO pre owners.
post #4589 of 14773
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

^^Holy crap. You might get banned, but I laughed so hard at that picture. It really is sad that this thread is ruined by the same people complaining about the same stuff over and over again, especially when you aren't forced to buy the system.

Have no doubt those same people will continue to sprout up, anything they locate some negative information about the XB1. I've never understood why someone will complain daily, about a product they clearly are not interested in purchasing. If you think the PS4 has better specs, DRM, games, yadda ya than the XB1.. then thats great. Go pre-order the PS4 and more importantly GO discuss it in the PS forum. I dont mind people who have real gripes about the XB1 and want to express them. But if you are expressing the same thing over & over.. or you are constantly expressing how the PS4 interests you more.. or you believe the PS4 is just a better product all together..

Then why are you here?

Noone is forcing you to buy an XB1.




Anyways. Expect this behavior to continue right up until both consoles are actually on store shelves. Then the conversation in this thread will center more around what the XB1 experience is like.. instead of the XB1 has this ram & PS4 has this ram = so this should better. As it stands right now, neither system is actually purchaseable, just preorders, so its a bunch of he-said, she-said, bench racing & hypothesizing going on.
post #4590 of 14773
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I hear that over and over again. Is it a good excuse for requiring that consumers pay Microsoft hundreds of millions of dollars for equipment that many of them have no interest in owning? It would make more sense for MS to pay the developers an incentive to work with Kinect: "Propose innovative uses of Kinect to us and if we approve we'll pay you X million dollars to add it to your game". Instead of forcing Kinect on people who don't want it, MS should do what they can to get features added to games so that more people will want Kinect.

I have a close friend who loves his Xboxes but won't buy Kinect because it creeps him out; he has six kids and I suggested that he might want to try it to get them playing some of the games which keep them on their feet and moving. He won't be buying Xbox One at all. I'm sure that he's not the only person who feels that way. (I wonder if they did any market research for this thing before announcement at all)?

Mandatory Kinect is a bad idea. Period.

I understand your concern. But I respectfully disagree with the bold section. I think it is actually a great idea. It's one of the main reasons I will buy XB1 when I purchase a new console. I love the way Kinect was integrated into Mass Effect 3. And I think by them making it mandatory...Games using it will only get better and more intuitive from a control standpoint. It is a very big separation benefit between XB1 and other consoles IMO. The always on part is the area that MS and game developers need to think through. And I'm sure they will. All they need to do is have Kinect always reside in a "sleep" state unless awakened by a game that requires it to function, or a specific user command. And MS can send a user report for any unauthorized Kinect wakeup via a simple Skype message for a user to investigate. I think this is causing a lot of unnecessary angst by many who will actually grow to love it in actual use. We can't simply say it's a bad idea, when we haven't seen how they will use it in one single XB1 game. It will be a bad idea if it's used poorly or not at all by game devs. Or abused by MS itself. And they would pay dearly for that.

In many ways mandatory Kinect is like Xbox Live in the Original Xbox. Not many people used XBL initially because game developers didn't fully incorporate its functionality in games until Xbox 360. Then the service took off like a rocket. I see Kinect following a similar adoption trend.
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