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Originally Posted by bucwylde23 View Post

Lol, I could write an article myself and have as much credibility as that link has. No where in that article is a confirmed # and it didn't even make a guess at how much Google makes. Mostly because no one knows other than these companies. Nice try though brah.

Google makes 96% of its revenue from ads. Not from the selling of any products. This is the model they have. Give away the software, give away the OS. Don't worry about trying to directly make money from people. Instead, pass those costs to advertisers and corporations who in turn pass their costs to the consumers in the final retail price of any given product. It's why Google is a consumer darling because the people don't directly see the money come out of their pockets to go to Google. It's all indirect which is wonderful for Google.

plenty of articles about Google revenues so there's little to doubt here... just google.
post #4832 of 14765
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Originally Posted by Kascnef82 View Post

This holiday season, Microsoft's reign as the #1 video game retailer in america could come to an end. Preorders for sony's ps4 are doing great, and the wii-u is doing fine. Not only that, but price cuts will be happening to ps3 and wii not to mention xbox 360, which is still the best selling system of the 7th generation. 10 years ago, xbox 1g, ps2, and gamecube were dominating the field while mobile games were a blink of a pixel. 10 years later, the game has changed. Digital downloads have surpassed physical sales as prime revenue for all three companies, and videogame sales have yet to play catch up to mobile games ala candy crush saga and angry birds. Facebook is also changing the way people interact with friends on games. Could xbox one have facebook support?

As far as I can tell console games still make significantly more than mobile games so I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Who says the two markets can't coexist anyway? It's the portable market that needs to be worried. Also, I'd like to know what your definition for "doing fine" is for the WiiU.
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

Google makes 96% of its revenue from ads. Not from the selling of any products. This is the model they have. Give away the software, give away the OS. Don't worry about trying to directly make money from people. Instead, pass those costs to advertisers and corporations who in turn pass their costs to the consumers in the final retail price of any given product. It's why Google is a consumer darling because the people don't directly see the money come out of their pockets to go to Google. It's all indirect which is wonderful for Google.

plenty of articles about Google revenues so there's little to doubt here... just google.

Daekwan wrote: "MS makes more money off royalties for each Android device sold, than Google makes off its user data collection & advertising push for the same device."

So to repeat, that is not true. K. thx. bye.

And i don't care how much any of these companies are making and this thread isn't for that. Just stating it's a false statment.
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

Once you use a high end PC for some time, you'll never be able to NOT look at the graphic flaws in console games lol.

You're talking to someone that enjoys the full spectrum of videogaming from its early commercial days from the early 1970's until today.

So I doubt anything would suddenly make me think that the cream of the current console generation are suddenly hard on the eyes. Even early games like Project Gotham Racing 3 will always be beautiful as far as I'm concerned and I can't imagine ever looking dated to any significant degree.
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Originally Posted by barrelbelly View Post

I was one of the "no Blu-Ray" guys early into discussion about it on the closed thread. But my argument at the time had nothing to do with Sony. And neither did a lot of others who supported that POV. Back then, I thought MS would want to push their own proprietary "Blu-Laser" format...HD-DVD. Because even though it had lost the format war with Sony. It could still serve MS' purpose with games.

HD-DVD had not only lost the format war but was dead and buried by 2011. I didn't see any suggestions in the first several pages of that thread that Microsoft would resurrect that as their game medium for this generation. And with Microsoft's desire to be at the center of our living room entertainment centers, it seemed obvious I thought that supporting the still growing to this day Blu-Ray format was a necessity to truly accomplish that since it was the only successful HD disc format on the market.

GameBoy didn't even think this thing would have a optical disc drive of any sort. At least from the first few pages of that thread (I obviously didn't go too far into it since it was many dozens of pages in length), GameBoy was pretty much standing alone and just being arrogant when people argued back that they didn't think it was going to play out that way.

And in hindsight, he was fully wrong. The console is launching in 2013 when he said there was zero chance, it has had an optical drive from the earliest days that we were privy to, and said drive was Blu-Ray.

The exact opposite of everything he argued and acted like he had some special insight into that the AVS community didn't.
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Originally Posted by pcweber111 View Post

In all fairness the N64 and Dreamcast both did 4 controller ports first

And they weren't even first. smile.gif

The Atari 5200 SuperSystem was the first home console with four controller ports. It also pioneered analog joystick control in home consoles 15 years before the Nintendo 64 popularized it.

Edited by Leo_Ames - 7/8/13 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by Leo_Ames View Post



The exact opposite of everything he argued and acted like he had some special insight into that we didn't.

It wouldn't be so bad if he hadn't had this smug "I'm clearly smarter than everyone" attitude about it when he was making these predictions (both of which have turned out to be wrong).
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This was proposed in late June 2013.

Reps. Capuano and Jones File Legislation Giving Users the Right to Say No To Being Watched by their Own TV.
http://www.house.gov/capuano/news/2013/pr061313.shtml

The privacy bill "We Are Watching You Act" is explained with mentions of Verizon's patent and Intel's upcoming cable box, for which both intend to "track your actions" while you watch TV. Bills get denied or shelved (or what-ever else happens besides getting passed) all the time, but its not inconceivable that the discussion of privacy could have an effect of the Kinect as well.

Knowing this, it does not surprise me that MS's stance with Kinect starts with "privacy by design." When their dream is to have a Kinect in every person's living room, if privacy was not number one message, I'd be concerned too. I believe Im more lax than others on the topic. While I don't imagine miss-use (besides the NSA of course wink.gif ) the topic and concerns are very real. I'm interested in seeing what, if any, effects this discussion has. I'll wait and see.

VERIZON (there's a link the actual patent too) http://www.techhive.com/article/2018940/verizon-patents-dvr-that-tracks-your-actions.html
INTEL http://www.businessinsider.com/intels-cable-box-will-have-a-camera-that-tracks-you-as-you-watch-tv-2013-2
KINECT http://consumerist.com/2013/07/08/the-xbox-one-will-use-kinect-to-provide-targeted-advertising/
MS KINECT POLICY http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/privacy
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

I've dropped my Kinect like 5 times. Once from a height of 6 feet. Kept on working. you try dropping a 360 or PS3 from a height of 6 feet and see what happens.

How sturdy the thing is isn't the point. If my Xbox One is borked because my Kinect dies, I will be royally pissed, since I won't be using it for the great majority of my foreseeable activities with the console.
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Originally Posted by bucwylde23 View Post

Daekwan wrote: "MS makes more money off royalties for each Android device sold, than Google makes off its user data collection & advertising push for the same device."

So to repeat, that is not true. K. thx. bye.

And i don't care how much any of these companies are making and this thread isn't for that. Just stating it's a false statment.

Daekwan has not been shown to be wrong. Within that strict description that he laid down, he can be correct. Most of advertising money is not made through searching on a mobile device or tablet. It's still made by searching on PCs.
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Originally Posted by Osirus23 View Post

It wouldn't be so bad if he hadn't had this smug "I'm clearly smarter than everyone" attitude about it when he was making these predictions (both of which have turned out to be wrong).

That's why I decided to have some fun and resurrect it when I stumbled across it. smile.gif

If he reads it, hopefully he has a laugh like it was intended for when I reposted it and perhaps takes his predictions a bit less seriously next time.
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

How sturdy the thing is isn't the point. If my Xbox One is borked because my Kinect dies, I will be royally pissed, since I won't be using it for the great majority of my foreseeable activities with the console.

So don't buy it. Avoid it all together. Then you won't be pissed.
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Originally Posted by Leo_Ames View Post

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And they weren't even first. smile.gif

The Atari 5200 SuperSystem was the first home console with four controller ports. It also pioneered analog joystick control in home consoles 15 years before the Nintendo 64 popularized it.

Indeed, I completely forgot about that. smile.gif
post #4842 of 14765
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

So don't buy it. Avoid it all together. Then you won't be pissed.

Go away. I have every right to want to buy it and not have to deal with the BS that is mandatory Kinect. I actually feel pretty good about the chance that they'll do a 180 on this as well. Nearly every day the press latches on to some mandatory-Kinect-related PR nightmare. That will probably continue up until launch biggrin.gif. I liked the DRM scheme and I'm sure that Microsoft considered it to be integral to their vision of Xbox One as well.

The following is not to be missed biggrin.gif:

Console Wars The Musical (Click to show)
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If Microsoft doesn't include Kinect I am done with console gaming. I don't need more of the same with better graphics. I want new experiences and that isn't going to happen without Kinect 2 in the box. It must be included for developers to program for it. Every game should use it, if only voice controls.

You do have ever right to buy it, with Kinect. Backing off the DRM thing was enough change. There will be nothing next gen about either system if Microsoft backs down again.

No one is stopping you from unplugging the Xbox one if you are so bothered by it. I don't understand why people don't just go PS4 and move on.
post #4844 of 14765
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Go away. I have every right to want to buy it and not have to deal with the BS that is mandatory Kinect. I actually feel pretty good about the chance that they'll do a 180 on this as well. Nearly every day the press latches on to some mandatory-Kinect-related PR nightmare. That will probably continue up until launch biggrin.gif. I liked the DRM scheme and I'm sure that Microsoft considered it to be integral to their vision of Xbox One as well.

The following is not to be missed biggrin.gif:

Console Wars The Musical (Click to show)

I am glad it is included. I would think it will be the same if the Kinect does end up needing a warranty replacement than they will do it just like the 360. Send just the Kinect and ship it off In a return box.
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The Xbox One cannot instantly switch inputs without Kinect. It is the ir blaster so it must be included. Their biggest feature is tied to Kinect.
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Originally Posted by mbyrnes View Post

The Xbox One cannot instantly switch inputs without Kinect. It is the ir blaster so it must be included. Their biggest feature is tied to Kinect.

That's like swatting a fly with a sledgehammer.
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Originally Posted by mbyrnes View Post

If Microsoft doesn't include Kinect I am done with console gaming. I don't need more of the same with better graphics. I want new experiences and that isn't going to happen without Kinect 2 in the box. It must be included for developers to program for it. Every game should use it, if only voice controls.

You do have ever right to buy it, with Kinect. Backing off the DRM thing was enough change. There will be nothing next gen about either system if Microsoft backs down again.

No one is stopping you from unplugging the Xbox one if you are so bothered by it. I don't understand why people don't just go PS4 and move on.

I bet that many more people will buy it because they drop Kinect being mandatory than people who won't buy it because it's not mandatory. This is why I want them to stop, to enhance the product's chance of success.

My belief is that making it mandatory will do little to encourage the use of Kinect, particularly by creators of multiplatform games. They need to reward developers with cash to include clever uses of Kinect in their games. If there was sure money in it, over and above development costs of such features, all of the developers would be looking for a way to use it. Paying for Kinect features to be included in third party games would have exactly the same effect as paying for exclusives (part of the deal would be that they wouldn't implement similar features for PS4 Eye) and would be worth every penny. Eventually such features would become de rigueur and developers wouldn't be able to compete with the games which had the most popular Kinect features without adding those features to their games whether they were paid for it or not.
Edited by michaeltscott - 7/8/13 at 3:38pm
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Originally Posted by mbyrnes View Post

The Xbox One cannot instantly switch inputs without Kinect. It is the ir blaster so it must be included. Their biggest feature is tied to Kinect.

Wait, what is their biggest feature? Switching inputs?
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Originally Posted by mbyrnes View Post

The Xbox One cannot instantly switch inputs without Kinect. It is the ir blaster so it must be included. Their biggest feature is tied to Kinect.

Why do you think that? It could easily be something available via some use of the Menu or View buttons (View is really suggestive).
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Originally Posted by mbyrnes View Post

No one is stopping you from unplugging the Xbox one if you are so bothered by it. I don't understand why people don't just go PS4 and move on.

Because its not an either-or choice for a lot of people. Just because we don't like one particular feature doesn't mean we want to be left out of all the exclusives. I don't understand this "you're either with us or against us" attitude either.
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

Wait, what is their biggest feature? Switching inputs?

The biggest feature is a Logitech Harmony the size of a VCR?

I think they have a lot more to offer than that.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Because its not an either-or choice for a lot of people. Just because we don't like one particular feature doesn't mean we want to be left out of all the exclusives. I don't understand this "you're either with us or against us" attitude either.

Fully agreed. You have people like AmericanGunner calling people trolls left and right whenever we don't agree with every design decision on a system and get the message "go get a ps4". Some people buy more than one console.

I'm thrilled MS did a massive 180 on the DRM, Rentals, 24 hour check in. I imagine MS's pre-order data has changed considerably due to the 180.

I also believe if MS dropped kinect and lowered the price they would sell far more consoles. Making the console more successful.
Edited by freemeat - 7/8/13 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by Osirus23 View Post

The biggest feature is a Logitech Harmony the size of a VCR?

I think they have a lot more to offer than that.

That's why I asked. I wanted to make sure I understood what he was saying. If that is the message MS is going to push eek.gif
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

I am glad it is included. I would think it will be the same if the Kinect does end up needing a warranty replacement than they will do it just like the 360. Send just the Kinect and ship it off In a return box.

My original Kinect died. I called MS and they had another one on the way via next day shipping. I just had to return the old Kinect with 15 (or 30?) days, otherwise I would have been charged for the new one. I was without the Kinect for 1 day. If the new console is SOL without it, I would guess they will do the exact same thing with the Xbox One. Your Kinect 2.0 dies, you call and have a new one the next day. You are out of using your console for 1, maybe 2 days. #firstworldproblem
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

That's why I asked. I wanted to make sure I understood what he was saying. If that is the message MS is going to push eek.gif

Right....they've showed a lot of features that the kinect is apparently necessary for, but I haven't really seen anything that justifies a full blown kinect. IR blaster, voice control, controller ID, interface control...this is all absolutely pedestrian stuff that can be done much cheaper and/or better without a kinect. I'm still waiting for them to sell me on the idea.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Right....they've showed a lot of features that the kinect is apparently necessary for, but I haven't really seen anything that justifies a full blown kinect. IR blaster, voice control, controller ID, interface control...this is all absolutely pedestrian stuff that can be done much cheaper and/or better without a kinect. I'm still waiting for them to sell me on the idea.

Exactly right.

And even if it were cool, it isn't something I want to have to buy. If care about changing a channel by voice, fine I'll think about buying it. Or if I really did have a problem knowing which controller was mine after I go to the bathroom, sure I might invest in buying one. I have had plenty of hands on with Kinect this generation, while K2 is an improvement I'm sure. Fundamentally I don't see anything that makes me want it.
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

Exactly right.

And even if it were cool, it isn't something I want to have to buy. If care about changing a channel by voice, fine I'll think about buying it. Or if I really did have a problem knowing which controller was mine after I go to the bathroom, sure I might invest in buying one. I have had plenty of hands on with Kinect this generation, while K2 is an improvement I'm sure. Fundamentally I don't see anything that makes me want it.

If they showed something that was truly incredible, the question of whether or not I'm forced to buy it doesn't even enter my mind. It'd just be something I've gotta have. If its so important to keep it connected, they've got to show me WHY it needs to be that way, and it needs to be so awesome that it overcomes any cost or privacy reservations. They've had multiple opportunities now, and so far they haven't shown much use for it beyond a glorified remote control. It needs to be something a kinect and ONLY a kinect can do, and spying on me to serve me targeted ads certainly ain't it.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Right....they've showed a lot of features that the kinect is apparently necessary for, but I haven't really seen anything that justifies a full blown kinect. IR blaster, voice control, controller ID, interface control...this is all absolutely pedestrian stuff that can be done much cheaper and/or better without a kinect. I'm still waiting for them to sell me on the idea.

it's not pedestrian if it fits your needs.

switching controllers on the 360 is a real pain. people that own multiple controllers like guitars, joysticks, wheels, etc. have to deal with the very real problem on the 360.

I deal with it a lot when switching from my controller to my joystick (which I mainly use for arcade games like Pac-Man). same thing when I switch back and forth between my racing wheel and the standard 360 controller. If I don't plan ahead that I will be playing that racing game first, I usually end up signing in as controller 2 in order for my gamertag to use the wheel or rebooting the console. It's really annoying to tell my friends in party that I'm rebooting the Xbox or signing out/signing in in order to use a joystick or wheel (especially if the party host set the party to invite only which occasionally messes up the reconnection to the party and requires someone in the party to reinvite me to it).
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

If they showed something that was truly incredible, the question of whether or not I'm forced to buy it doesn't even enter my mind. It'd just be something I've gotta have. If its so important to keep it connected, they've got to show me WHY it needs to be that way, and it needs to be so awesome that it overcomes any cost or privacy reservations. They've had multiple opportunities now, and so far they haven't shown much use for it beyond a glorified remote control. It needs to be something a kinect and ONLY a kinect can do, and spying on me to serve me targeted ads certainly ain't it.

Well they still have time to show something to capture my interest in Kinect (still haven't on the 360.. Star Wars was a huge missed opportunity, yes I've played it). They completely failed to capture any excitement about it at E3. The demo I watched of some music rhythm game showed it to have latency issues as well. But they still have time and still have time to change plans as well.
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The ironic part is pre-E3 everyone complained that E3 was going to be all of this "stupid" Kinect content/games. Well, they don't really show anything for Kinect and now people are complaining that there isn't anything that interests them with the Kinect. biggrin.gif
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