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Comic Con is next week. (7/18 - 7/21) Hopefully we will get some more info on the Xbox One.
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http://www.digital-101.com/2013/07/microsoft-doubles-xbox-one-gpu-speed-to.html

I havent seen this linked in this thread so I thought I would post it.
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seems legit
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

Good point. Not really a big deal requiring a disc to be in the system to play, well for me anyways (It's good to get up and stretch once in a while wink.gif )

Its not all about having to get up and swap discs.

What we lost with the DRM reversal is the ability to choose if we want to install from disc or download since the end result would have been considered identical (i.e DD copy). Now people that want to the "diskless" advantage have to download the games......again not a huge deal but still its does take sometime to download these games. In my case Amazon lost 5 game pre-orders and my ISP is gonna love me come launch day.
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ok, i am going to post something hopefully we won't argue about

1. this is HUGE for all 3 (sony, MS, N), really surprised by this
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/11/china-likely-to-unban-foreign-consoles

2. somewhat off topic, but PC gaming is really hurting..
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/11/pc-sales-suffering-longest-decline-in-history
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Originally Posted by benjamin-benjami View Post

ok, i am going to post something hopefully we won't argue about

1. this is HUGE for all 3 (sony, MS, N), really surprised by this
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/11/china-likely-to-unban-foreign-consoles

2. somewhat off topic, but PC gaming is really hurting..
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/11/pc-sales-suffering-longest-decline-in-history

On the PC gaming side of things...I believe that tablets have picked up alot of your more relaxed gamers who dont care about graphics and such but just want soemthing to play. One thing that is not mentioned that may be taking away from PC game sales is the free-to-play model that you see as a growing trend in the PC market.

I dont know if these types of games are included or not but the Free-to-play model is more of a long term investment than a short term rush for cash like games that you see on consoles where the large majority is bought in the first few months and then sales drop.

It seems like the free-to-play model is growing in popularity too and I will say that the majority of the games I play are of this model so I dont have to spend much on my games, at least not upfront. With games like Team Fortress 2, Tribes Ascend, Firefall, Planetside 2, Dota 2, League of Legends, etc. you can see why such a model attracks a large majority of gamers that may not be reflected in that report.
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Originally Posted by Kimeran View Post

On the PC gaming side of things...I believe that tablets have picked up alot of your more relaxed gamers who dont care about graphics and such but just want soemthing to play. One thing that is not mentioned that may be taking away from PC game sales is the free-to-play model that you see as a growing trend in the PC market.

I dont know if these types of games are included or not but the Free-to-play model is more of a long term investment than a short term rush for cash like games that you see on consoles where the large majority is bought in the first few months and then sales drop.

It seems like the free-to-play model is growing in popularity too and I will say that the majority of the games I play are of this model so I dont have to spend much on my games, at least not upfront. With games like Team Fortress 2, Tribes Ascend, Firefall, Planetside 2, Dota 2, League of Legends, etc. you can see why such a model attracks a large majority of gamers that may not be reflected in that report.

true, but i wonder how many people are like me, i play some F2P games but have never spent a dollar on any game, the second it gets to the point i have to spend money, i just stop playing....
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Originally Posted by Kimeran View Post

http://www.digital-101.com/2013/07/microsoft-doubles-xbox-one-gpu-speed-to.html

I havent seen this linked in this thread so I thought I would post it.
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

seems legit

Here is the article I believe Digital-101 is referencing. Examiner claims to have a source. That seems to be the end of this rabbit hole for now. The original posting was on 9-July, and was updated 10-July.


http://www.examiner.com/article/xbox-one-rumors-point-to-a-higher-clock-speed-but-doubtful-on-increase-ram

QUOTE:
The rumors state the following:
  • The Xbox One GPU is getting an increase in clock speed
  • The Xbox One DDR3 RAM will increase from 8GB to 12GB [This has been debunked. I'll cite the 10-July update from the same original Examiner article above]
  • The Xbox One development team is asking for developer feedback on changes they would want to see hardware wise.


As I have said in the past, these rumors come and go and it's hard to justify reporting on every one. But when I approached a trusted source of mine regarding them... I was surprised by the answer, to say the least.

Essentially, my source has confirmed that the increase in GPU clock speed is 100% true, with the increase happening in direct response to the PlayStation 4. The increase has been a reality since before the reveal, as they have "been reacting to Sony ever since the first leaks of both systems." The news of this bump in clock speed was announced to first parties only, as they "actively spread disinformation to 3rd parties just before reveal to prevent leaks."
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Originally Posted by Kimeran View Post

http://www.digital-101.com/2013/07/microsoft-doubles-xbox-one-gpu-speed-to.html

I havent seen this linked in this thread so I thought I would post it.

So we went to a slight speed increase to doubling the speed of gpu smile.gif I think Article stemmed from there will be a slight bump in speed and that is 100% confirmed.

From above ..."The bump was supposed to have been planned prior to initial reveal. Any actual changes would have taken place during E3 Week. Effectively, the way the RAM is set out in the machine, Microsoft realized they could be more efficient in its use without sacrificing the amount set aside for OS operation. They immediately reacted.


I read that to be they became more efficient in machines operation which allows for more effeciency, which will increase speed probably a little ? Maybe I'm wrong ?
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Here is confirmation of the Microsoft restructuring effort:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/julie-larson-green-confirmed-as-new-xbox-boss-in-microsoft-restructuring-6411301
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Originally Posted by Kimeran View Post

http://www.digital-101.com/2013/07/microsoft-doubles-xbox-one-gpu-speed-to.html

I havent seen this linked in this thread so I thought I would post it.

If true, that can't be good in terms of HEAT dissipation!!!
Edited by slyderulz - 7/11/13 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by benjamin-benjami View Post

true, but i wonder how many people are like me, i play some F2P games but have never spent a dollar on any game, the second it gets to the point i have to spend money, i just stop playing....

I know what you mean. I know that I have only spent about $10 on TF2 but I have spent about $30 in Tribes Ascend.

I am willing to spend more than that if the game is one that is not Pay to Win and has a good game "economy".

However, with work and all I dont have as much time to play games like I used to which includes consoles, tablets, etc.
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Originally Posted by RafaelSmith View Post

Its not all about having to get up and swap discs.

What we lost with the DRM reversal is the ability to choose if we want to install from disc or download since the end result would have been considered identical (i.e DD copy). Now people that want to the "diskless" advantage have to download the games......again not a huge deal but still its does take sometime to download these games. In my case Amazon lost 5 game pre-orders and my ISP is gonna love me come launch day.

You'll probably at least be able to use a friend's disc. They might be able to set up something with retailers where you can buy the digital version in store and leave with it on a USB stick. Won't be an issue for day one releases either since those will preload well in advance, not to mention the console is always online and you can trigger a download from your phone.

It's not like physical games appear out of thin air...you still need to go to the store or wait for them to come. If they can get the average game to fire up within 30 minutes on an average connection, I don't think there's any huge loss.
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Originally Posted by bucknuts07 View Post

So we went to a slight speed increase to doubling the speed of gpu smile.gif I think Article stemmed from there will be a slight bump in speed and that is 100% confirmed.
The internet sure has given us a funny definition of the word "confirmed" these days. I mean... the specs we don't have may have been increased above what we thought they might be and we're hearing it from a leaked source... so obviously, CONFIRMED! tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by Rave Damos View Post


Here is the article I believe Digital-101 is referencing. Examiner claims to have a source. That seems to be the end of this rabbit hole for now. The original posting was on 9-July, and was updated 10-July.


http://www.examiner.com/article/xbox-one-rumors-point-to-a-higher-clock-speed-but-doubtful-on-increase-ram

QUOTE:
The rumors state the following:
  • The Xbox One GPU is getting an increase in clock speed
  • The Xbox One DDR3 RAM will increase from 8GB to 12GB [This has been debunked. I'll cite the 10-July update from the same original Examiner article above]
  • The Xbox One development team is asking for developer feedback on changes they would want to see hardware wise.

Yeah, I was just referencing the "100%" value, and the “on par with PS4”. Maybe if they only wanted to keep 1-5% of their production chips!

As I mused earlier, this is all hard to gauge too, since we simply don’t have any numbers from MS on the real Spec's of their console yet. They could say they raised it and give us a number, but who’s really to tell if that wasn’t the number in the first place? The more I think about it, I think both the downclock and upclock rumors could both be true. How?

MS hearing Sonys Spec's in Feb, and the surprise 8GB GDDR5 announcement, tries to better their specs and shoots for 1000mhz GPU clock speed (800mhz was the long rumored Spec and semi confirmed from an engineer roundtable when he let some values slip). Unfortunately it led to yield issues and was too much of a cost sink to justify. They lowered it 900mhz to clear up yield issues. So there’s you downclock that is technically an upclock.

What we really need is Specs and a confirmation of what the OS is taking away to do all the other things they want. by now most of that needs to be locked in anyhow, so any of this should really be old news. Developers only have 3-4 months before their launch games need to be locked and printed, and even thats cutting it.
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Originally Posted by slyderulz View Post

If true, that can't be good in terms of HEAT dissipation!!!

100%? You'd have a oven. But the rumor? Nah, it'll be fine.
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

The internet sure has given us a funny definition of the word "confirmed" these days. I mean... the specs we don't have may have been increased above what we thought they might be and we're hearing it from a leaked source... so obviously, CONFIRMED! tongue.gif

my girth has increased by 43% and length by 56% by using a natural creme, send me 50 dollars and i will get it to you!
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my girth has increased by 43% and length by 56% by using a natural creme, send me 50 dollars and i will get it to you!
CONFIRMED! tongue.gif
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

CONFIRMED! tongue.gif

gross
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Originally Posted by benjamin-benjami View Post

my girth has increased by 43% and length by 56% by using a natural creme, send me 50 dollars and i will get it to you!

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

CONFIRMED! tongue.gif

Uhmmmm...... Awkward!
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Sony maneuvers, MS maneuvers.
Information (or mis-information.)

Of all the information we are privy to become aware of, percentages continue to fall further down my list of importance. I enjoy the ( admittedly slow) unveiling of their respective strategies.
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Uhmmmm...... Awkward!
Yeah, but it's on the internets now... so it must be true.

Have I mentioned that I'm a French model? biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Kimeran View Post

http://www.digital-101.com/2013/07/microsoft-doubles-xbox-one-gpu-speed-to.html

I havent seen this linked in this thread so I thought I would post it.


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the speed of the Xbox One's GPU has been increased by 100 percent
That would be surprising... I can see it being increased by 100 Mhz but doubling it .. I think they may have misquoted there..
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

You'll probably at least be able to use a friend's disc. They might be able to set up something with retailers where you can buy the digital version in store and leave with it on a USB stick. Won't be an issue for day one releases either since those will preload well in advance, not to mention the console is always online and you can trigger a download from your phone.

It's not like physical games appear out of thin air...you still need to go to the store or wait for them to come. If they can get the average game to fire up within 30 minutes on an average connection, I don't think there's any huge loss.

Guess its the price we pay for refusing to give up the old ways of doing things.
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I always hated multiplatform games doing better on one console than the other, so if MS can pull this off it's great news so we can all experience those titles the same. However I really hope it won't be on the expense of reliability, 100% boost is insane and screaming HW failure.

BTW, if we didn't ever get an accurate confirmation about the hardware specs, is there any reason to stop people from analyzing the entire hardware once it's out?
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Originally Posted by samendolaro View Post


That would be surprising... I can see it being increased by 100 Mhz but doubling it .. I think they may have misquoted there..

Well if they did indeed match the PS4 in terms of GPU performance that really puts the spotlight on ram usage. I guess it's early enough in the cycle that they can make adjustments to the GPU but I'm hoping the cooling system is capable of handling it so we don't have another RRoD scenario.
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Originally Posted by RafaelSmith View Post

Guess its the price we pay for refusing to give up the old ways of doing things.

People will give up the old ways of doing thing when the new way is unequivocally better. When it's value is obvious and doesn't require mental gymnastics to understand how it works and why it's better.

If they're so dead set about convincing people that the future is DD, then they should just give away a digital copy with every physical purchase. Amazon does it with CDs, lots of studios do it with Blu-ray. That's a deal no one can argue with, and everyone understands.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

People will give up the old ways of doing thing when the new way is unequivocally better. When it's value is obvious and doesn't require mental gymnastics to understand how it works and why it's better.

I was going to say it wasn't complicated, and surely you didn't have any trouble figuring out how it worked and the advantages, but then I read your suggestion below...and now I'm not so sure.
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If they're so dead set about convincing people that the future is DD, then they should just give away a digital copy with every physical purchase. Amazon does it with CDs, lots of studios do it with Blu-ray. That's a deal no one can argue with, and everyone understands.

So you're saying they should have two discs for the asking price of $59.99, one that is "the game"--same as usual--and one that installs to the drive and you no longer need it?....wouldn't that be a buy one get one free deal? Or maybe you're thinking they should charge $119.98? Or charge you to activate the digital copy?...which would be the same thing. Maybe I'm missing something.
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http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/07/11/does-the-xbox-ones-rumored-gpu-clock-increase-represent-a-durability-risk-is-it-worth-it/
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Even if Microsoft managed to bump up the clock by 100 mhz (which is a quite extreme increase going by the most credible leaked specs for the machine, and would most definitely generate a considerable amount of additional heat), it’ll only bring the processing power of the console from 1.23 teraflops up to 1.38 teraflops.


So to reach the 1.84 teraflops. they would need to increase the GPU clock over 400 mhz . That is insane.. I hope they can pull it off.

I wouldn't be an initial HW adopter but I would definitely pickup a V2 or V3 when the box could get smaller.
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Originally Posted by JediMastr View Post

I was going to say it wasn't complicated, and surely you didn't have any trouble figuring out how it worked and the advantages, but then I read your suggestion below...and now I'm not so sure.
So you're saying they should have two discs for the asking price of $59.99, one that is "the game"--same as usual--and one that installs to the drive and you no longer need it?....wouldn't that be a buy one get one free deal? Or maybe you're thinking they should charge $119.98? Or charge you to activate the digital copy?...which would be the same thing. Maybe I'm missing something.

I'm saying that if they want to do this hybrid digital thing, they should just include a code in the box that you can redeem for a full blown digital copy. And then you can install it off the disc. Then you can play off the digital copy, off the disc...whatever. None of this Internet connectivity required nonsense. Just add value, period.

I can understand WHY they wouldn't want to do that, but that's what it's going to take if they want to get people on board with a hybrid format. They can limit that type of thing to the collectors editions if they're too scared to do it without a few extra bucks.
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Originally Posted by samendolaro View Post

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/07/11/does-the-xbox-ones-rumored-gpu-clock-increase-represent-a-durability-risk-is-it-worth-it/
So to reach the 1.84 teraflops. they would need to increase the GPU clock over 400 mhz . That is insane.. I hope they can pull it off.

I wouldn't be an initial HW adopter but I would definitely pickup a V2 or V3 when the box could get smaller.

On the flip side you have to ask: maybe the hardware is capable of handling the increased heat? We don't know at all to be honest so all we have is to fall back on RRoD and worry. I'm hoping MS learned from that mistake assuming this is even true.
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