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Originally Posted by Leo_Ames View Post

Snap?

Bringing up a second window while doing something else, like "snapping" Skype to the side while you're playing a game or watching video or whatever. It's also a basic capability of Windows 8.

Skype snapped on the side while watching a film (Click to show)
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I've never heard anyone call the side window a "snap". He may be coining a term biggrin.gif.
post #5642 of 14765
snap is when i kill you in an FPS and i send you a video via kinect with me snapping in a z formation
post #5643 of 14765
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I've never heard anyone call the side window a "snap". He may be coining a term biggrin.gif.

MS has called this Snap View since they first showed Win8. You need to pay more attention. wink.gif
post #5644 of 14765
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Bringing up a second window while doing something else, like "snapping" Skype to the side while you're playing a game or watching video or whatever. It's also a basic capability of Windows 8.
Skype snapped on the side while watching a film (Click to show)
91d0fbf9-0da6-4638-9888-97b522c1adee.jpg?n=XBR_Image27.jpg

I've never heard anyone call the side window a "snap". He may be coining a term biggrin.gif.

it's more used in the windows 8 world where you have 2 snapped apps and you flip back and forth between the apps in terms of which is larger. so your ESPN app is the smaller snap for scores and stuff while for example, your desktop is the larger snap (editing a Microsoft Word doc). and you can flip the snaps around. so if you get a notification that something major happened, you instantly switch ESPN to the bigger snap so you have a real view with details. I saw the terms in a few articles covering Metro (or Modern or Immersive or Windows Store or whatever they decide to call it nowadays) so I just go with the flow.
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I've never heard anyone call the side window a "snap". He may be coining a term biggrin.gif.

MS has called this Snap View since they first showed Win8. You need to pay more attention. wink.gif

Calling it a "snap view" is one thing, referring to it as simply a "snap" is another, which is what I'd never seen.
post #5646 of 14765
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Calling it a "snap view" is one thing, referring to it as simply a "snap" is another, which is what I'd never seen.

Now you're arguing semantics. It's a snap view but calling the window a snap is the natural extension of that. I do it all the time. Like I said pay more attention. smile.gif
post #5647 of 14765
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

t's a snap view but calling the window a snap is the natural extension of that. I do it all the time. Like I said pay more attention. smile.gif

Not a matter of paying attention--I've never heard or read anyone calling the side window "a snap"; of that I'm absolutely certain. Let's drop it smile.gif.
post #5648 of 14765
So let me get this straight. You're hoping to have a Netflix window and a game window up simultaneously? Something like a picture in picture function?

I like having a tv show on in the background sometimes when I'm playing on a handheld or at my PC. But I don't think I'd want both occurring on my television at the same time.
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Originally Posted by Leo_Ames View Post

So let me get this straight. You're hoping to have a Netflix window and a game window up simultaneously? Something like a picture in picture function?

I like having a tv show on in the background sometimes when I'm playing on a handheld or at my PC. But I don't think I'd want both occurring on my television at the same time.

It's one of those things that seems really awesome that you can do it, but in reality....you'll never actually use it.
post #5650 of 14765
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Originally Posted by Leo_Ames View Post

So let me get this straight. You're hoping to have a Netflix window and a game window up simultaneously? Something like a picture in picture function?

I like having a tv show on in the background sometimes when I'm playing on a handheld or at my PC. But I don't think I'd want both occurring on my television at the same time.

It's my understanding that "snap view" is similar to PiP; a feature that's been around commercially since 1983, so nothing new here whatsoever. For a PC app and movie/TV app to be on a the same time makes some degree of sense for someone that's surfing and wants background noise, or even a gamer doing a solo campaign that can be paused or looked away from while "passively" watching a sporting event. I definitely don't want my buddies or randoms to be trying to watch a ballgame or movie while playing some multiplayer game that requires teamwork!
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Originally Posted by Leo_Ames View Post

So let me get this straight. You're hoping to have a Netflix window and a game window up simultaneously? Something like a picture in picture function?

I like having a tv show on in the background sometimes when I'm playing on a handheld or at my PC. But I don't think I'd want both occurring on my television at the same time.

It's one of those things that seems really awesome that you can do it, but in reality....you'll never actually use it.

I've rarely found any use for it in Win8. The snap view of Skype seems like it might be useful if you frequently use Skype as a form of communication but I don't. Even then I'd pause whatever I was doing while I conversed with whoever I was talking to. I do know people who (rudely) try to keep watching TV while I'm casually chatting on the phone with them; that kind of person might like it biggrin.gif.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

It's one of those things that seems really awesome that you can do it, but in reality....you'll never actually use it.

How many people used picture in picture on their tv? Do they even offer it any more?
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I could see a use for it with the way you can search for a game, while playing an entirely different game. Or the fantasy football aside a live football game. Maybe if the browser isnt too crappy, something like a walkthrough/achievement guide on the side. Or even just browsing the store while you wait on matchmaking.

But two types of content at the same time is just silly.
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a lot of people nowadays multitask like crazy. the other day, my brother and I were watching the EVO tournament stream while he was playing WoW and another game (some F2P TPS/RPG game I had no idea what it was) while he had multiple chat windows open while he was playing his anime MP3s. all that on a 23" monitor. while keeping his Nintendo DS and iPhone games running in case there was some dead time (I played some PvZ 2 while watching the stream).
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a lot of people nowadays multitask like crazy. the other day, my brother and I were watching the EVO tournament stream while he was playing WoW and another game (some F2P TPS/RPG game I had no idea what it was) while he had multiple chat windows open while he was playing his anime MP3s. all that on a 23" monitor. while keeping his Nintendo DS and iPhone games running in case there was some dead time (I played some PvZ 2 while watching the stream).

OMG! There's Ritalin for that kind of thing.
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OMG! There's Ritalin for that kind of thing.

actually, he's just brilliant. 4th year med student (has way better scores than me). national merit finalist (top SAT scores of country). took the MCAT a year early (without having done all the prereqs because he took it a year early and still scored 99th percentile). double majored at UCLA. he's just a boss when it comes to academics. I achieved by a semi-hard work ethic. He's studies in much less time and understands far deeper than my meager brain could handle.

he's actually considering psychiatry (because it's a super easy lifestyle) but we're trying to get him to do something to match his abilities like radiology.

his friends multitask like that too and they're not too bright (though they don't multitask to quite the same degree).
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http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/06/18/12-reasons-to-stop-multitasking-now/

What you call multitasking is really task-switching, said Guy Winch, author of Emotional First Aid: Practical Strategies for Treating Failure, Rejection, Guilt and Other Everyday Psychological Injuries. "When it comes to attention and productivity, our brains have a finite amount," he says.

"It's like a pie chart, and whatever we're working on is going to take up the majority of that pie. There's not a lot left over for other things, with the exception of automatic behaviors like walking or chewing gum." Moving back and forth between several tasks actually wastes productivity, he says, because your attention is expended on the act of switching gears—plus, you never get fully "in the zone" for either activity.

http://business.time.com/2013/04/17/dont-multitask-your-brain-will-thank-you/

In a 2009 study, Stanford researcher Clifford Nass challenged 262 college students to complete experiments that involved switching among tasks, filtering irrelevant information, and using working memory. Nass and his colleagues expected that frequent multitaskers would outperform nonmultitaskers on at least some of these activities.

They found the opposite: Chronic multitaskers were abysmal at all three tasks. The scariest part: Only one of the experiments actually involved multitasking, signaling to Nass that even when they focus on a single activity, frequent multitaskers use their brains less effectively.
post #5658 of 14765
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Originally Posted by ThumperII View Post

How many people used picture in picture on their tv? Do they even offer it any more?

Time Warner Cable offers it through their cable boxes. It's as useless as ever though.

After 30 seconds of checking it out for the novelty of it years ago, the only practical use I've ever found has been the rare occasion when I'm watching a auto racing telecast live. Usually I'll DVR it or go do something else for an hour and get a buffer to fast forward through with as I slowly catch up since I just distaste modern television commercials so much.

But if I'm watching live, I'll jump into a recording I have on my DVR during commercials and turn it on so I can see when commercials are done to jump back in. So I do occasionally take advantage of it but overall, a tiny picture with no audio on a tv screen primarily displaying something else will always be virtually pointless in my book.
Edited by Leo_Ames - 7/21/13 at 9:09pm
post #5659 of 14765
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

actually, he's just brilliant. 4th year med student (has way better scores than me). national merit finalist (top SAT scores of country). took the MCAT a year early (without having done all the prereqs because he took it a year early and still scored 99th percentile). double majored at UCLA. he's just a boss when it comes to academics. I achieved by a semi-hard work ethic. He's studies in much less time and understands far deeper than my meager brain could handle.

he's actually considering psychiatry (because it's a super easy lifestyle) but we're trying to get him to do something to match his abilities like radiology.

his friends multitask like that too and they're not too bright (though they don't multitask to quite the same degree).

A little off topic but....unless its interventional radiology, just sitting in a dark room all day scanning mammograms and such would drive a guy like that out of his mind. He sounds like he should be in the ER.
post #5660 of 14765
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

A little off topic but....unless its interventional radiology, just sitting in a dark room all day scanning mammograms and such would drive a guy like that out of his mind. He sounds like he should be in the ER.

the thinkers love radiology. you really have to have incredible knowledge to be in that field. I know the field attracts the OCDs because you need that attention to detail to excel. My other brother is a radiologist. 70% of his work is from home. Nowadays, you don't even need to be in the hospital to do the work. He also contracts out to numerous hospitals. It's guys like him that's killing the industry because a lot of hospitals don't feel the need to have radiologists on-site anymore. You guys should see the monitors he has for his workstation. We think we have great monitors at the consumer level? Think again. Work paid for everything as well.

personally, I would agree that people are not meant for multitasking and are less efficient when attempting to do so. But some people are just wired differently. And lots of people multitask, not for efficiency's sake, but because it makes them happy.

I still find some people don't understand how people can play games while in an 8-person party. some people can't handle it and need the peace and quiet to game alone. others can be playing COD while talking about work, having other randoms in the party singing and doing crazy stuff. a couple people playing COD, a couple playing Minecraft, a few just sitting at the dashboard talking. it just all works for a lot of people. it's not for everyone.

but watching TV in the background while gaming? that's considered cake by most people.
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

...but watching TV in the background while gaming? that's considered cake by most people.

And it's something I regularly do. I like to listen to something while I lay back and play something on a handheld. Particularly with handheld style experiences rather than a deeper console style experience.

It's doing both on a single screen that I don't see being of any use to me. Maybe if I could just have the audio be passed through and blended with the game's own audio to my liking as I'm playing something like a Forza game.

But I would never want two separate pictures on my tv. So if this snap feature is present, I imagine that I'd never use it beyond once just to check it out.
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I often like to play puzzle games on my tablet or phone while "watching" something highly dialog-oriented, like episodes of one of the Law & Order series.
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I often watch tv whilst eating crisps (potato chips) at the same time biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by ThumperII View Post

How many people used picture in picture on their tv? Do they even offer it any more?

I know my TV from 1991 had PiP. I only used it three times. That was one feature I never found much use for. And today if I'm going to have another show running, it will be on the tablet. Not taking away part of the screen I'm playing on.
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I used PIP quite often. Its priceless on Saturdays & Sundays when college football and NFL are on.

Unfortunately Comcast cable boxes no longer support it. My tv still does, but I would need an additional tuner to use it.
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I use PIP when using the ESPN Xbox app. I especially use it during the college sport season. It is easier to just keep the two games up in snap mode than flip back and forth.
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Honestly, with the "snap" features already being part of Windows 8 already I wouldnt be suprised that within a year Microsoft or a 3rd party developer come out with a skin of some sort that makes Windows 8 HTPC work almost identical to the X1 UI for better use from the couch.

It would also be interesting to see what happens with Steam's Big Box mode as you could have that be one large active tile on the main screen to access all of your games.

I also like the idea of the snap features but it is very limited. Having the ability to make VOIP calls is cool but I dont know if I would actually sue it or not.

The main advantage to me would be the ability to continue watching TV as I waited for a game to load or something of that sort.

I am NOT a multitask-er...the most multitasking that I do is have two windows open at the same time but both are part of the same project so that I can transfer data more efficiently....

Took me a while to get that through to my boss....he likes to light 100 different fires and then finish them in a month's time...I like to light a fire and then put it out and move to the next haha.

Edit: I can even see MS coming out with a skin for Windows 8 with their Games for Windows Live to try and compete more with Steam....
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I have a 27" tv on top of the component rack under my 65" tv. I always have sports on the smaller tv while I play BLOPS2.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

It's one of those things that seems really awesome that you can do it, but in reality....you'll never actually use it.

I can see myself using that a lot. I don't know how many times I've been sitting in the lobby waiting for my friends to all go take a piss/get a beer/ take the dog out so I dig around in the dark trying to find my receiver remote so I can check out what's going on the hockey games that night. I'd love to be able to pip it. I wouldn't use it while I was actively playing, but in MP there seems to be a lot of down time sometimes.

Edit: And from what I've seen you could have NHL GameCEnter or your Tv or whatever sitting idele behind your game. Then as soon as your're ready to view it, you just pause your game or whatever and reach up with your hands and do a minimize motion like you would on a smartphone and boom, you've got both windows open and you can see both. Sounds pretty handy.
Edited by RemoWilliams84 - 7/22/13 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by benjamin-benjami View Post

this is related to all the kinect/phone hacking talk...pretty amazing
http://www.cracked.com/article_20345_at 5-terrifying-smartphone-hacks-you-wont-believe-are-possible.html

There is an active thread dedicated to this fear of Microsoft can you please post it in there? Nothing in that link has anything to do with Kinect.
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