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post #6211 of 14772
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Originally Posted by pcweber111 View Post

I was referencing the Eurogamer article:

""Since E3, an example is that we've dropped in what we internally call our mono driver. It's our graphics driver that really is 100 percent optimised for the Xbox One hardware. You start with the base [DirectX] driver, and then you take out all parts that don't look like Xbox One and you add in everything that really optimises that experience. Almost all of our content partners have really picked it up now, and I think it's made a really nice improvement," Whitten reportedly says"

aah, gotcha... Didn't see that yet
post #6212 of 14772
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Xbox One is dropping the Xbox 360's 'Guide' interface, Microsoft has confirmed.

Instead, pressing the Xbox button on the Xbox One controller will now take players directly to the dashboard, shrinking down whatever content they're currently running to the background.

Xbox LIVE's Larry Hryb and corporate VP Marc Whitten discussed the changes to the Xbox interface on this week's Major Nelson podcast.

"I was pleasantly surprised at how quickly I became accustomed to the new dashboard and the fact that when I hit the Xbox button whatever I'm doing shrinks down, and all of a sudden there's the whole dashboard," said Hryb.

"The fun thing about 360 – and we've been doing this for a long time – is you had the dashboard and you had the Guide, but you couldn't get to the rest of the dashboard because then you would leave your game behind," added Whitten.

"Now that it's all one thing, and all of the power of Xbox is there right behind that Xbox button, ready for you to say 'Xbox home', 'Xbox resume game', your ability to go instantly in and out of that, it just changes how free you feel moving in between experiences."

http://www.videogamer.com/news/xbox_one_drops_the_xbox_guide_2.html
post #6213 of 14772
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

In games like ME 3 ordering your teammates around with voice commands just feels much more natural.

Perhaps, but I have a bigger dream in mind for next-gen. NPCs and AI that aren't as dumb as a box of rocks! As good as the Mass Effect series was, I don't want to have to babysit my companions, nor should I have to yell at the TV to them where to stand or what attack to use, etc. Left 4 Dead was a phenomenal game, but anyone that ever watched a bot would immediately see that they were absolutely incapable of making remotely good decisions, often in the most intense situations, i.e., they'd let you bleed out to pick up another bot, or charge a tank with pistols only, etc.

Worst case for next gen, I'd like to see something like Dragon Age commands, where you can preset actions based on conditions far in advance. (Mage heals team < 50% health, attack weakest enemy first, etc.) Best case scenario is that friendly AI are intelligent enough to understand basic combat strategies, adapt to different play styles on the fly, and compliment even the most moronic live person at the wheel. Conversely, I'd like to see enemy AI pick up on things and adapt to them more quickly, presenting a real challenge to even the most gifted of players.

To those that used Kinect for ME, what happens if you tell X character to use X command and it's not recharged yet? Do they just stand there, perplexed? Do nothing? Use it when it's next available? Give you the finger behind your back?
post #6214 of 14772

Newer smart tv's operate this way, so it makes sense. I'm looking forward to the changes, because it will enable me to be able check my messages and keep monitoring my game at the same time!
Edited by RandomNinjaAtk - 8/2/13 at 8:48am
post #6215 of 14772

Well, it makes sense. with the vm nature of the OS it doesn't need a secondary menu anymore. Just bring up the actual dashboard. Should be a much smoother experience.
post #6216 of 14772
Yeah, I'm really digging the way they're handling the dashboard. Not that I don't like the guide now, but I think with voice commands for common things like accepting game invites, joining parties, etc., the guide would be pointless. Really looking forward to seeing how all this works in practice. Hope they show it off at Gamescom!
post #6217 of 14772
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

So a whole 6.6% increase?

Next we'll hear the PS4 increased their graphics clock rate by 13.2%. biggrin.gif


With that 6.6% increase MS will now achieve Toy Story graphics!
post #6218 of 14772
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

With that 6.6% increase MS will now achieve Toy Story graphics!
BLAST PROCESSING! GO!!! biggrin.gif
post #6219 of 14772
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

With that 6.6% increase MS will now achieve Toy Story graphics!

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

BLAST PROCESSING! GO!!! biggrin.gif

I only want the extra processing if it is enabled via a TURBO button on the controller! biggrin.gif
post #6220 of 14772
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Originally Posted by RandomNinjaAtk View Post


I only want the extra processing if it is enabled via a TURBO button on the controller! biggrin.gif

Reminds me of playing Track and Field on the NES with a turbo controller biggrin.gif
post #6221 of 14772
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Originally Posted by RandomNinjaAtk View Post


I only want the extra processing if it is enabled via a TURBO button on the controller! biggrin.gif
You forget... You can haz Kinect and just say, "Xbox, OVERCLOCK THIS MUG UP IN HURRR!!!!" And BAM! Buzz and Woody all up in yo' TV! tongue.gif
post #6222 of 14772
So combine this with cloud processing and it's no contest, PS4 go home. tongue.gif
post #6223 of 14772
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Originally Posted by pcweber111 View Post

So combine this with cloud processing and it's no contest, PS4 go home. tongue.gif
But wait... What if we put blast processing... ON THE CLOUD?

(Where's the Keanu Reeves meme pic when I need it?)
post #6224 of 14772
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

But wait... What if we put blast processing... ON THE CLOUD?

(Where's the Keanu Reeves meme pic when I need it?)



LOLz biggrin.gif
post #6225 of 14772
this thread just got a lot better
post #6226 of 14772
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Originally Posted by RandomNinjaAtk View Post



LOLz biggrin.gif

I personally prefer this one, it highights his...unique acting ability:



tongue.gif
post #6227 of 14772
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Originally Posted by pcweber111 View Post

I personally prefer this one, it highights his...unique acting ability:



tongue.gif

Lolz, Looks like his brain is imploding due too: Extra GPU processing power + Cloud power = Woah. power! biggrin.gif
post #6228 of 14772
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Originally Posted by pcweber111 View Post

I personally prefer this one, it highights his...unique acting ability:



tongue.gif
YES! That's the one I was thinking of! tongue.gif
post #6229 of 14772
Uhhh ooooo spaghetiioooos!!!


During his QuakeCon keynote, id Software's John Carmack says the next generation of consoles are both "very good," but Kinect has latency issues.

But while Carmack notes the similarities between next-gen hardware, he doesn't seem quite as convinced on the new Kinect. Calling Microsoft's motion sensor "sort of like a zero-button mouse with a lot of latency," Carmack clearly has some major issues with the device's functionality.

"Kinect still has some fundamental limitations with the latency and framerate," said Carmack. "It's fundamentally a poor interaction."
post #6230 of 14772
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Originally Posted by l88bastard View Post

Uhhh ooooo spaghetiioooos!!!


During his QuakeCon keynote, id Software's John Carmack says the next generation of consoles are both "very good," but Kinect has latency issues.

But while Carmack notes the similarities between next-gen hardware, he doesn't seem quite as convinced on the new Kinect. Calling Microsoft's motion sensor "sort of like a zero-button mouse with a lot of latency," Carmack clearly has some major issues with the device's functionality.

"Kinect still has some fundamental limitations with the latency and framerate," said Carmack. "It's fundamentally a poor interaction."

Alright! More fuel for the anti-mandatory-Kinect movement biggrin.gif. I wonder to what use Carmack was trying to put it?
post #6231 of 14772
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Alright! More fuel for the anti-mandatory-Kinect movement biggrin.gif. I wonder to what use Carmack was trying to put it?

(Inn before Kinect white knights of peace come in to proclaim Carmacks experience to be null an void because he used a pre-alpha build version of kinect 2 and that somehow microsoft wizards will pull off the hail mary of all baby jesus by release date)
post #6232 of 14772
Well you can't pick and choose carmack's statements. He also straight up said that the 360 was the most powerful system last-gen as well. I'm sure a lot of people would take issue with that statement.
post #6233 of 14772
His statement has to be conditional. Too much latency for what? Latency tracking movement? Latency responding to voice?
post #6234 of 14772
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

His statement has to be conditional. Too much latency for what? Latency tracking movement? Latency responding to voice?

or latency everywhere lol
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

Well you can't pick and choose carmack's statements. He also straight up said that the 360 was the most powerful system last-gen as well. I'm sure a lot of people would take issue with that statement.

He was correct then too!
post #6235 of 14772
Yup, Carmack is spot on. The gameplay videos of Fantasia show a large amount of latency. I'd be shocked if a game like Fantasia takes a large amount of processing relative to other Xbone games.

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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

Well you can't pick and choose carmack's statements. He also straight up said that the 360 was the most powerful system last-gen as well. I'm sure a lot of people would take issue with that statement.

edit: Carmack might be one of those people to to take issue eek.gif

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/news201005carmack
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id Software legend John Carmack
has gone on record once again to express his love for Microsoft's next-gen console, claiming: "Xbox 360 has far and away the best development tools."

In a television interview shown on US channel G4tv, Carmack said: "I make little nitpicky decisions about say, well, I prefer the symmetric approach that MS has over the asymmetric Cell approach, but you can do great games on either one of them.

"I make fundamental decisions based on development tools and depth of documentation, which Microsoft has been superior on," he continued.

On the subject of whether the 360 is superior to the PS3, Carmack described the hardware as "comparable", but conceded: "PS3 is probably marginally more powerful, in terms of raw flops and graphic operations."

But "That's not really the best way to look at things," he went on.

"When you look at these development cycles that stretch over years and years, being 20 per cent easier to develop on is much more important than being 20 per cent more powerful."

This isn't the first time Carmack has extolled the virtues of the 360's development tools - he made similar comments at the QuakeCon event in August, and also praised the PS3's open environment for development.

Carmack is currently hard at work on a brand new game for PC, PS3 and Xbox 360 - but there's still no word on a title or release date. We'll bring you more news as soon as we get it...

Edited by freemeat - 8/2/13 at 9:13pm
post #6236 of 14772
Go back and watch the video. Not what some blog writer wrote. :-)
post #6237 of 14772
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

Go back and watch the video. Not what some blog writer wrote. :-)

Summary of what he indicates is PS3 being more powerful "more peak performance", xbox360 easier to developer for is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PFUw29U4J8


Back to the point of Kinect. It really isn't surprising that he notices the large amount of latency that others have also experienced.
post #6238 of 14772

25:10 mark

Carmack, "It's no secret that in the previous generation, I favored the 360 over PS3. While's there's certain things that Sony did well, for a game developer, 360 was a nicer platform to work on. It's a little more powerful and much better developmental tools. It just felt better."

So again, are we picking and choosing which statements we want to remember? Confirmation bias rearing its head again. I'd rather trust the video source than blog writers...
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Which is why I posted a video source. I watched more than one video where he indicates PS3 is more powerful but feels 360 has better tools, on top of that there is the video you just linked. Like Quackecon 08 as well, 360 better tools, PS3 better performance if given infinite development time. quote from video
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"On the processing side it's a little bit more complicated, where the main processor on the PS3 is roughly equivalent to one of the three processors on the 360. But then you wind up saying, you have to compare two other symmetric processors on the 360 versus the eight quirky cell processors. And that comes down to one of those questions, where if you just look at the raw numbers, the cells are much more powerful. Many more flops on there, in theory you can do a lot more, but that's where you come to the difference between theory and practice. And given an infinite amount of development time on there, you can craft a program that's gonna work more efficiently on the cells there than on two additional processors on the 360. But given a finite amount of development time, it's much-much easier to get things working well on the 360 than it is on the PS3. And that's pretty much the case across the board.".
I wouldn't call it confirmation bias when Carmack has said different things in different interviews. The bloggers article isn't inaccurate for the time it was written (well before the video you posted).

Do you honestly it is picking and choosing what article to remember? Perhaps a time traveling blogger!!

FIrst time I have watched that video (Oh I see it is only a day old), Thanks for the link.



May Carmack change his stance on Kinect 2.0, it could happen. I don't know if he is just going by the same videos the public has watched (which display large amounts of latency) or going by hands on development with Kinect 2.0. I would imagine if he is developing a twitchy FPS like many of his past games the current latency the public has been show isn't acceptable for something he'd want to implement into his game(s).
Edited by freemeat - 8/2/13 at 10:37pm
post #6240 of 14772
the real point I was getting at is people are hinging for "gotcha" moments and statements that will buttress their argument. in this case, people looking to dismiss the kinect. if you are waiting for a statement that will validate your viewpoint, then you have to accept his other statements as well.

people can't just pick and choose only what matches their beliefs. "oh, I dislike kinect. carmack validates that. oh, I don't believe carmack is right about the ps3. i won't accept his statement."

carmack states his opinions. you can't say they're right or wrong. their just his opinions. so looking for the "i told you so!" about the kinect based on his opinion is just like someone hinging on the "360 is more powerful" statement.

that's what makes it confirmation bias. confirmation bias isn't always at a conscious level either. everyone naturally has it. it's human nature. If you own a Prius, when you're driving down the street, you will naturally recognize more Priuses on the road than most people. It's because you have a direct interest in the Prius. It might lead you to believe that Priuses are more popular than they really are. similarly, if you dislike hybrids and have a dislike toward the Prius, you won't notice as many Priuses on the road and think, "see, hybrids don't sell that well. why is every manufacturer wasting money on developing hybrids when they can build better gas cars?" a dislike of hybrids might make you downplay how many of them are actually being sold. you can't avoid confirmation bias. people want "evidence" to validate that the things they do and the things they believe in are the right things.
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