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post #7591 of 14792
Just a quick update! MisterX has updated his post with new ramblings. Quick take away. (Microsoft has go ahead to let the beans spill; however, if they don't they will still drop the news on at the end of September. This might not be a traditional wafer to wafer gpu w2w, but the hidden processors will pack between 1.3 and less than 5.3 tf. (If I am reading this right, the interpretation of XB1 power is 3.6tf plus MainSOC of 1.2tf equaling 4.8tf...that would be quiet powerful if true....no?) 80% of developers have only mono driver access. I presume that means their driver is excluding these super secret graphics processors. Some of the 1st party have stereo drivers. (Not meaning audio here). Just only 20% of developers have access to full XB1 power. It isn't a full on dGPU sitting under the SoC, it is something else, but still a graphics bump. (not completely following this last part, your interpretation might be better if you look at the website). There are still other ramblings...worth the read if you believe in the impossible. I for one am, cause I ain't got anything better to do:P)

additional:

mono means only access Main Soc
stereo means access both gpuSoc and MainSoc

Stereo enabled after 25(th) or 30(th) (of sept)

80% developers using mono drivers.

dGPU will have 9xxx tech (think AMD series) .... MainSoc will be 7xxx/8xxx (i thought it was 6xxx...this might not make sense:()

dGPU will use 8/10MB (of the 47MB) of eSRAM. current 7970 use 12MB eSRAM (I assume he is making a comparison to 7970 graphics cards thus stating that this dGPU will be nearly comparable to the eSRAM that this new highly customized GPU core will use ...getting out on a limb here :P)

Speculation on actual visual breakdown of chip and how these dGPU and SOI fit together are given in picture on website!!!


* Again I am not tech person, and this is what I took from post with my ramblings in paratheses, which may be completely not what he was getting at, and it is still possible that this is complete BS...but there for those interested!!! biggrin.gif



http://www.misterxmedia.livejournal.com
Edited by Dr.Savage - 9/6/13 at 12:17pm
post #7592 of 14792
That was hard to read. I don't believe it either but eh to each his/her own.
post #7593 of 14792
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Just to pick a nit, I don't see any mention of WiDi in that interview. "directly...over your Wi-Fi" is not WiFi Direct. It just works like any other LAN IP remote app, finding your Xbox on your wireless LAN. I have Android apps like that for my TiVo, Rokus and BD players.

WiFi Direct was announced during the original reveal, though, without any mention of what its function was for. I suppose that yes, we don't know for certain that its using Wifi Direct for that from the article I linked (though it does still seem likely). My point was just that many assumed that the bulletpoint of WiFi Direct in the original presentation meant that Smartglass would connect locally instead of solely through Xbox Live, and now we have confirmation that yes, it does connect locally.

Also, just to pick a nit of my own, WiDi is Intel's Wireless Display technology, not WiFi Direct. biggrin.gif
Edited by jhoff80 - 9/6/13 at 12:39pm
post #7594 of 14792
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Just to pick a nit, I don't see any mention of WiDi in that interview. "directly...over your Wi-Fi" is not WiFi Direct. It just works like any other LAN IP remote app, finding your Xbox on your wireless LAN. I have Android apps like that for my TiVo, Rokus and BD players.

Yeah, that's my take on it too. If it requires wifi direct support, hardly any of my devices will work with it.
post #7595 of 14792
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Originally Posted by Dr.Savage View Post

Just a quick update! MisterX has updated his post with new ramblings. Quick take away. (Microsoft has go ahead to let the beans spill; however, if they don't they will still drop the news on at the end of September. This might no be a traditional wafer to wafer gpu, but the hidden processors will pack between 1.3 and less than 5.3 tf. 80% of developers have only mono driver access. I presume that means their driver is excluding these super secret graphics processors. Some of the 1st party have stereo drivers. Not meaning audio here. Just only 20% of developers have access to full XB1 power. It isn't a full on dGPU sitting under the SoC, it is something else, but still a graphics bump. (not completely following this last part, your interpretation might be better if you look at the website). There are still other ramblings...worth the read if you believe in the impossible. I for one am, cause I ain't got anything better to do:P)

additional:

mono means only access Main Soc
stereo means access both gpuSoc and MainSoc

Stereo enabled after 25(th) or 30(th) (of sept)

80% developers using mono drivers.

dGPU will have 9xxx tech (think AMD series) .... MainSoc will be 7xxx/8xxx (i thought it was 6xxx...this might not make sense:()

dGPU will use 8/10MB of eSRAM. current 7970 use 12MB eSRAM (I assume he is making a comparison to 7970 graphics cards thus stating that this dGPU will be nearly comparable to the eSRAM that this new highly customized GPU core will use ...getting out on a limb here :P)

Speculation on actual visual breakdown of chip and how these dGPU and SOI fit together are given in picture on website!!!


* Again I am not tech person, and this is what I took from post with my ramblings in paratheses, which may be completely not what he was getting at, and it is still possible that this is complete BS...but there for those interested!!! biggrin.gif



http://www.misterxmedia.livejournal.com

Headache touching down in 3....2....1..... Only thing I can understand is that maybe the processor will double in flops (I'm super tech savvy as you can tell). The last sentence was interesting where he states that BF4 at E3 on XB1 was running on amped up PCs because they couldnt reveal this double processor thingy. Who knows... seems interesting though and would indeed be an awesome bombshell for MSFT.

Has this MisterX fellow been right on any other rumors? Is this just some random dude sparking up lies from his basement in Moscow? Any credibility?
post #7596 of 14792
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Originally Posted by spid View Post

The Xbox One supports HDMI pass through. If you want to watch/do something else you can pass the signal through the console or change input on the tv like you do now. I am not sure what your point is.

My point was that the Xbox won't support that functionality without manual intervention, which makes the feature far less useful to me, if I understand the functionality. Saying 'Xbox: tv" is fine. But when I have to switch to the TiVo, Wii U, PS4 or Chromecast...how will the Xbox help me if it's controlling everything (or trying to)? If I'm following correctly (and I'm not sure that I am, thanks to Microsoft's unclear messaging), then I need to manually intervene whenever using anything BUT the Xbox One, yes?
post #7597 of 14792
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Originally Posted by ahartig View Post

Headache touching down in 3....2....1..... Only thing I can understand is that maybe the processor will double in gigaflops. The last sentence was interesting where he states that BF4 at E3 on XB1 was running on amped up PCs because they couldnt reveal this double processor thingy. Who knows... seems interesting though and would indeed be an awesome bombshell for MSFT.

Has this MisterX fellow been right on any other rumors? Is this just some random dude sparking up lies from his basement in Moscow? Any credibility?

Yeah I tend to take the Occams Razor approach on this one. Simplest explanation is probably the correct one. I don't see why MS would hide something like this when they could have dropped it after the PS4 reveal and totally taken the wind out of the "PS4 is more powerful" sails. It just doesn't make sense. It is curious why they're being so secretive about complete specs this late but if there were technical reasons (not meeting supply, etc.) I could see it, especially considering Sony is releasing a more powerful machine and with apparently no supply issues (that we know of). I said it before, the whole thing smells like desperation by the fanboys to muster something up since they reality of the consoles being boxed and ready to ship are here. It's what it is, just enjoy what each can do.
post #7598 of 14792
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Originally Posted by spid View Post

The Xbox One supports HDMI pass through. If you want to watch/do something else you can pass the signal through the console or change input on the tv like you do now. I am not sure what your point is.

My point was that the Xbox won't support that functionality without manual intervention, which makes the feature far less useful to me, if I understand the functionality.

I'm hoping that HDMI is passively passed through when the Xbox is in its "Off" state. If so, I'll just funnel my 360 through it. I have absolutely no intention of using it to watch television.
post #7599 of 14792
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Originally Posted by WizarDru View Post

My point was that the Xbox won't support that functionality without manual intervention, which makes the feature far less useful to me, if I understand the functionality. Saying 'Xbox: tv" is fine. But when I have to switch to the TiVo, Wii U, PS4 or Chromecast...how will the Xbox help me if it's controlling everything (or trying to)? If I'm following correctly (and I'm not sure that I am, thanks to Microsoft's unclear messaging), then I need to manually intervene whenever using anything BUT the Xbox One, yes?

I don't know if they are doing this or not, but if the kinect ir blaster integration is as fleshed out as it seems to be, you could just say "xbox, input 4" and it would send an ir signal to your receiver telling it to switch to input 4 where you have your ps4 hooked up. The one interview where the guy likened it to a Harmony remote would suggest that you could do these things. Whether it will work that way at launch... or ever, we'll see.
post #7600 of 14792
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Halp, xbox, Halp! (article from engadget)
Xbox One is here to help, all you have to do is ask (Click to show)


Xbox One is here to help, all you have to do is ask HD

By Ben Gilbert posted Sep 6th 2013 12:01PM0





All game developers publishing on Xbox One will have to submit information to Game Help, a function on Microsoft's new game console that aims to fundamentally change the concept of user manuals. Developers submit a "help manual" to Microsoft, which then converts said manual into contextual in-game help, either on-screen or via SmartGlass."You can access this in a couple of different ways," Microsoft general manager Ron Pessner told Engadget. "In front of your console, you can say, 'Xbox: Help!' and then it will appear on the console. Or in SmartGlass, you can click on the Help icon and then it will just tune into exactly what you're doing and present the right help content for you."

This applies across the rest of the console as well, including Internet Explorer and even the system's settings. You can say, 'Hey, I'm in Internet Explorer, where are my settings?' Okay, well, here's where you are. Or how do I add a contact? Or how do I add a friend? Or how do I do Game DVR clips? We think this is gonna apply not only to games and game help, but also to applications on the system as well as the system itself," Pessner said.

Beyond the standard uses, it can be integrated into gameplay directly. Should a cheeky developer decide to make a joke at the gamer's expense for needing help, that's possible. Pessner stressed that the functionality isn't intended to dumb down games, nor is it an auto-play system. "We've been very thoughtful about how this is implemented or what's possible," he said. At very least, it'll serve to add another layer in our already thorough list of Xbox commands.

Also from Engadget, an article about how Xbox One can support 16 devices using smart galss at once:
Xbox One doubles the controller cap (Click to show)

Xbox One doubles the controller cap
By Ben Gilbert posted Sep 6th, 2013 at 12:01 PM0







With the new Xbox this November, Microsoft's bringing a new iteration of SmartGlass to iOS, Android, and Windows Phone devices. And with said new iteration comes promised SmartGlass ubiquity. Microsoft GM and SmartGlass team lead Ron Pessner told Engadget as much in an interview this week on all things SmartGlass for Xbox One. You'll need to download a new (still free) SmartGlass app to your Smart device of choice come launch day (the new app won't function with Xbox 360, just the One).

Up to 15 of your best friends can bring their Smart devices over and...well, nothing just yet, but the Xbox One will support 16 Smart devices connected at one time (double the connected controller cap). Just imagine the possibilities for virtual canasta! Okay, not so thrilling, but the potential for games like Monopoly or Dungeons & Dragons is evident. Or maybe something more like Spaceteam?

Pessner also promised that the connectivity between Smart device and console is "three-and-a-half times faster" on Xbox One than with 360 (depending on your home wireless setup), and the first time "only takes about four seconds." And while on the go, the SmartGlass app can be used for mobile shopping, allowing a game or other piece of content to be purchased and made available when you get home. Pessner wouldn't go into specifics, but he told us, "We definitely want to make sure it's a seamless process for customers and they're able to find a piece of content regardless of where they are -- the web or the SmartGlass app -- and being able to have that content ready for them to play when they return to their Xbox One." The remotely queued content will show up as pinned to your Dashboard when you get back to the console, available to play immediately.








Though every game doesn't have unique SmartGlass functionality, all games on Xbox One have some form of SmartGlass built in. Since functionality like Game DVR is ubiquitous across all games, so too is SmartGlass access to every game's DVR clips. Pessner wouldn't tell us whether you can share out those clips via social media using the SmartGlass app, but it seems a no-brainer. Game DVR isn't the only way SmartGlass nudges into every game: the other side of the coin is Xbox One's "Xbox: Help!" functionality. "We are leveraging the fact that we know the context of what the user's doing to deliver manuals for games that give the ability to provide contextual game help," Pessner said.



SmartGlass will also offer a glimpse into the more robust game stats system on Xbox One, depending on which stats are exposed by each game. "The goal here is to...really be able to go in and take a look a little bit more about reputation and some of the other statistics around the game. These are things that the game developer can choose to expose to their community. It really is game specific, or genre specific. There are some games where users will really appreciate deeper stats in some areas, and others where it won't be as applicable," he explained.

The same philosophy applies to game control via SmartGlass. Though it's technically possible, it seems like something that Microsoft's still reticent to outright recommend. "It has to be the right fit for the right game to use SmartGlass as a dedicated controller," Pessner said in a Q&A on Microsoft's official news site. Battlefield 4's Commander Mode and Plants vs Zombies Garden Warfare are both using SmartGlass as a form of control in unique ways, but the more standard functionality will come in multiplayer games. While playing one game, SmartGlass enables you to queue for multiplayer matches in other games.

That's another one of those standard, ubiquitous features Pessner promised will help drive the Xbox One's SmartGlass use even further than its predecessor. He also said that the new apps will be ready for the console's launch on November 22nd.



Live TV is also part of the SmartGlass experience, with browsing handled via a touch-based One Guide. Though Netflix, Hulu, and other such services will offer some form of SmartGlass controller support, it sounds like they're distinct entities from the One Guide. In so many words, the One Guide seems to only provide a television browsing experience, rather than a single place to unify all viewable content on the Xbox One. Pessner said we'll see more detail on everything SmartGlass in the coming weeks in the lead up to the launch of Xbox One this holiday.
post #7601 of 14792
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Originally Posted by pcweber111 View Post

Yeah I tend to take the Occams Razor approach on this one. Simplest explanation is probably the correct one. I don't see why MS would hide something like this when they could have dropped it after the PS4 reveal and totally taken the wind out of the "PS4 is more powerful" sails. It just doesn't make sense. It is curious why they're being so secretive about complete specs this late but if there were technical reasons (not meeting supply, etc.) I could see it, especially considering Sony is releasing a more powerful machine and with apparently no supply issues (that we know of). I said it before, the whole thing smells like desperation by the fanboys to muster something up since they reality of the consoles being boxed and ready to ship are here. It's what it is, just enjoy what each can do.

He's not doing himself any favors with the anti-Sony rants.
post #7602 of 14792
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

If you find the situation unacceptable.. then sell your 360 and be done with it. Why torture yourself? I've never understood people who constantly complain about something.. but do absolutely nothing about it. You speak as if MS held a gun to your head and forced you to buy one. Or even worse, forced you to keep a broken one.

I think the end result MS provided was more than acceptable. Which was a 3 year warranty and free shipping to/from the repair center. The only thing RROD has ever caused me.. was not being able to play my 360 for a couple of weeks.

I find it ridiculously hard to believe a company purposely shipped a product, knowing it would cost them billions of dollars in warranty repairs down the line.

well it is official, nothing negative can be said in this thread, so far.
1. everyone who says anything negative is "pro sony", after that was disproved by the numerous posters that only/mostly post on the xbox side
2. you weren't supposed to say anything negative usless buying a xb1
3. anything against DRM or K2 is "anti-next gen" and needs to leave this thread and go buy a ps4 if that is what they want
4. now if you RESPOND to a post discussing the current topic and it is negative you need to sell your 360 (and i am assuming cancel my XB1 preorder)

for someone that owned multiple 360's and has xb1 on preorder i'm am really doing a sucky job of being "anti MS"
can we please update this thread to say "offical xbox one thread (only pro MS talk allowed)"
post #7603 of 14792
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Originally Posted by benjamin-benjami View Post

well it is official, nothing negative can be said in this thread, so far.
1. everyone who says anything negative is "pro sony", after that was disproved by the numerous posters that only/mostly post on the xbox side
2. you weren't supposed to say anything negative usless buying a xb1
3. anything against DRM or K2 is "anti-next gen" and needs to leave this thread and go buy a ps4 if that is what they want
4. now if you RESPOND to a post discussing the current topic and it is negative you need to sell your 360 (and i am assuming cancel my XB1 preorder)

for someone that owned multiple 360's and has xb1 on preorder i'm am really doing a sucky job of being "anti MS"
can we please update this thread to say "offical xbox one thread (only pro MS talk allowed)"

Alright now, let's all get along. Everyone join hands with me and humm "Ooooonnnneee, Ooooonnnneee". Now picture in your mind the number "1". It's glorious. It's lengthy, has that little head on top, and sooo erect. Wouldn't you just love to take it's base in your hands and fondle it? Now, doesn't everyone feel better?
post #7604 of 14792
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

Not only did the extend the warranty and replace the console. But last I checked the most a brand new bare bones Xbox360 console ever sold for was $299.

So how do you get screwed out of $1000, on the purchase of two Xbox 360s. When they had a maximum value of $600 combined. And thats maximum value, they could be brought on sale or used for much cheaper. They could also be repaired for much cheaper.

Why do people feel the need to exaggerate.. or in some circumstances straight out lie.. to get a point across?

You make no sense. You give the price for the cheapest 360 you can buy which is $300 and tell me the most I could have possibly spent was $600 on two 360's.

Well at first I bought a core in 2006. I added the proprietary HDD to it for $120. So far I'm at $420 pre taxes. That one RROD'd me in 2009. So then I bought a $400 Elite, mainly because I had heard that the failure rate was lower on the Elites, and I did not want another brick on my hands obviously. Now I'm at $820 pre taxes. The Elite took a dump last year. I was either lucky I had 2 360's that lasted a whole 3 years, or extremely unlucky both died after warranty.

I had just renewed my live subscription a month prior, $50. I had 4 DD games, a movie and 4 episodes on the HDD, about $90. I just bought whichever COD was out at the time, I think MW4, $60. That puts me at $1020 pre taxes of crap I no longer could use. Sure I got pennies on the dollar for some of it, but most of it was a total loss.

This isn't including 2 defective controllers, 2 defective headsets, and 3 dead controller battery packs, all made by Msoft. And my library of games I can no longer play because I said F... Xbox.

Keep in mind, I am very meticulous with my stuff. I keep all my things in great condition. I don't have kids, I don't throw my controllers around the house, I never moved my 360's after setting them up in a well ventilated area. I might as well of beat the hell out of Msoft gear, it couldn't have done any more harm really.
post #7605 of 14792
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Originally Posted by RexHarrison View Post

You make no sense. You give the price for the cheapest 360 you can buy which is $300 and tell me the most I could have possibly spent was $600 on two 360's.

Well at first I bought a core in 2006. I added the proprietary HDD to it for $120. So far I'm at $420 pre taxes. That one RROD'd me in 2009. So then I bought a $400 Elite, mainly because I had heard that the failure rate was lower on the Elites, and I did not want another brick on my hands obviously. Now I'm at $820 pre taxes. The Elite took a dump last year. I was either lucky I had 2 360's that lasted a whole 3 years, or extremely unlucky both died after warranty.

I had just renewed my live subscription a month prior, $50. I had 4 DD games, a movie and 4 episodes on the HDD, about $90. I just bought whichever COD was out at the time, I think MW4, $60. That puts me at $1020 pre taxes of crap I no longer could use. Sure I got pennies on the dollar for some of it, but most of it was a total loss.

This isn't including 2 defective controllers, 2 defective headsets, and 3 dead controller battery packs, all made by Msoft. And my library of games I can no longer play because I said F... Xbox.

Keep in mind, I am very meticulous with my stuff. I keep all my things in great condition. I don't have kids, I don't throw my controllers around the house, I never moved my 360's after setting them up in a well ventilated area. I might as well of beat the hell out of Msoft gear, it couldn't have done any more harm really.

yup, i had a battery pack and controller die also...
post #7606 of 14792
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I'm hoping that HDMI is passively passed through when the Xbox is in its "Off" state. If so, I'll just funnel my 360 through it. I have absolutely no intention of using it to watch television.

I was thinking of doing this also. My main reason is to save myself and HDMI slot on my Onk since it will be loaded with an Xbox360, XB1, PS3, PS4, cable box and region free BD player. I really don't want to put an HDMI switcher in the chain anywhere.
post #7607 of 14792
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Originally Posted by RemoWilliams84 View Post

Alright now, let's all get along. Everyone join hands with me and humm "Ooooonnnneee, Ooooonnnneee". Now picture in your mind the number "1". It's glorious. It's lengthy, has that little head on top, and sooo erect. Wouldn't you just love to take it's base in your hands and fondle it? Now, doesn't everyone feel better?
*blink*
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Originally Posted by RemoWilliams84 View Post

Alright now, let's all get along. Everyone join hands with me and humm "Ooooonnnneee, Ooooonnnneee". Now picture in your mind the number "1". It's glorious. It's lengthy, has that little head on top, and sooo erect. Wouldn't you just love to take it's base in your hands and fondle it? Now, doesn't everyone feel better?

i will record it with Kinect and send you the video smile.gif
post #7609 of 14792
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Originally Posted by ahartig View Post

Headache touching down in 3....2....1..... Only thing I can understand is that maybe the processor will double in flops (I'm super tech savvy as you can tell). The last sentence was interesting where he states that BF4 at E3 on XB1 was running on amped up PCs because they couldnt reveal this double processor thingy. Who knows... seems interesting though and would indeed be an awesome bombshell for MSFT.

Has this MisterX fellow been right on any other rumors? Is this just some random dude sparking up lies from his basement in Moscow? Any credibility?

Honestly, I have no clue as to whether he has credibility. I think "some" credibility has been given cause some of the rambling arguments make "some" sense (or we wish they did:P). Over this weekend, I will look back at some of his older posts and see if I can get some better understanding of how "random dude" this guy is. Also, I am not sure if he goes by MisterX, I think so, but there is a MisterC something or other. He also mentions an Insider, so the insider gives him info, and he translates as best he can, or interprets as he sees fit. So most likely it is a group of tech guys in Russia, they may or may not have an insider but are either giving "hope" or false hope. False hope presumably to get "clicks" but he doesn't seem to be pushing any money angles. He does have a few banners on his site (or the site he uses). So doesn't seem like a money grab per say, but maybe attention grab, since he has gotten a few other websites to cover this. Also, should say, I am not sure if he is originally where this started from, earlier in this tread, someone mentioned that this originally came out of gamefaqs:P

Believe! biggrin.gif

Even though the headache 3...2...1 comment above is legit, when you go to his website the bewilderment beings, cause trying to make heads or tails out of it is wild...especially for me with less tech background as some of you guys as well as the language issue, etc.

PS: Oh, and as you said BD2003, the anti-sony stuff calls his claims into question. Although, if he is somehow affiliated with Microsoft or has a friend/insider that works there, I can see it getting personal...but that is not a helpful thing as you said to be anti-sony when trying to be credible. Agreed!!!
Edited by Dr.Savage - 9/6/13 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by RemoWilliams84 View Post

I don't know if they are doing this or not, but if the kinect ir blaster integration is as fleshed out as it seems to be, you could just say "xbox, input 4" and it would send an ir signal to your receiver telling it to switch to input 4 where you have your ps4 hooked up. The one interview where the guy likened it to a Harmony remote would suggest that you could do these things. Whether it will work that way at launch... or ever, we'll see.

That would be nice, if it works like that. I actually LIKE the idea of the integration, but if it's not rock-solid and accommodating, I won't be able to enjoy it. I have an older HDTV and I want to simplify my config as much as possible. I hate the amount of switching I need to do to switch from one console to another and then back to my Tivo. Make it seamless enough for my family to use and you've got a sale.
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Originally Posted by WizarDru View Post

My point was that the Xbox won't support that functionality without manual intervention, which makes the feature far less useful to me, if I understand the functionality. Saying 'Xbox: tv" is fine. But when I have to switch to the TiVo, Wii U, PS4 or Chromecast...how will the Xbox help me if it's controlling everything (or trying to)? If I'm following correctly (and I'm not sure that I am, thanks to Microsoft's unclear messaging), then I need to manually intervene whenever using anything BUT the Xbox One, yes?

I think you are confusing the remote control stuff with HDMI pass through. HDMI pass through means it will pass the signal through the Xbox One with an overlay or not (if Xbox is off). So there would not need to have a manual intervention if you do not want it to be setup that way. If you want the Xbox One overlay to be on everything coming into your television you would have to set that up yourself.

1. Everything you listed -> Receiver -> Xbox One - > Television: The Xbox One is available to everything currently have.

2. DVR -> Xbox One -> Receiver -> Television: Xbox One is limited to just games and cable/satellite content.
post #7612 of 14792
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Originally Posted by Anthony Cler View Post

Benjamin,

This is not directed at you, but in general I think some people are just tired of hearing the same negative comments being repeated over and over again.

Maybe we should have two threads, one for people who would like to complain about the XB1 and one for people who are excited about the XB1?

I don't object to somebody creating a thread that is all 100% pro MS worship on everything they do. There is clearly a handful of people here that would be perfect for such a thread. So why not?

I'll stick to this thread that discuss all aspects and not just blind worship and continue to discuss the things I like, don't like and everything in between.
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I'm hoping that HDMI is passively passed through when the Xbox is in its "Off" state. If so, I'll just funnel my 360 through it. I have absolutely no intention of using it to watch television.

I was thinking of doing this also. My main reason is to save myself and HDMI slot on my Onk since it will be loaded with an Xbox360, XB1, PS3, PS4, cable box and region free BD player. I really don't want to put an HDMI switcher in the chain anywhere.

I've used a switch for years. I have my TiVo, Xbox 360, PS3, BDP, Roku 3, WD TV Live and this PC running into 6 HDMI inputs on my AVR, so I have to split one of them. I once had a few less devices running into 2 HDMI inputs of an earlier AVR. I've used the same Belkin 3-into-1 switch and it has an open slot but I'd prefer to reserve it.
post #7614 of 14792
Let's face it, these dgpu rumors are just as dumb as the "yield issue" rumors from several weeks ago. They're being spread by random people on the Internet who are seeking attention. In both cases they succeed because people tend to lapse in critical thinking ability when a statement supports their beliefs, desires or biases.
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Originally Posted by c.kingsley View Post

Let's face it, these dgpu rumors are just as dumb as the "yield issue" rumors from several weeks ago. They're being spread by random people on the Internet who are seeking attention. In both cases they succeed because people tend to lapse in critical thinking ability when a statement supports their beliefs, desires or biases.

I don't know. I am falling for it. I have even hedged that I am probably falling for it cause I want a console to be high end PC powered not low end pc powered.

If you want something generally easier to read, read the comments. It will help you fall for the con.

The point of why call it a MainSoC if there is no secondary. Is there a logical response to that? There may be especially since I am not techie, such as it is just how it was labeled instead of saying SOC. Any thoughts in this other than "this is obviously BS"? Probably a easy response to that that makes sense, but again not something that is in my wheelhouse as far as naming conventions related to electronic components.

Also helping me fall for the con is MN and Albert's cleverly word responses...which might be just PR spin. But I am reading between the lines, as I have done in a recent post about mainly Albert Penello's responses on NeoGaf.

Someone said in the comments section from misterx's site that this is full scale "I love bees" for a new generation:P. basically Microsoft is behind these breadcrumb leaks to misterx, and PRs wink wink responses to forum posts. Most likely nothing, but I have fallen for the Hope. I didn't fall for the last big "hope" push in US. Not that gullible. But am hook line and sinker on this one:P

Heck ,I even printed out a picture of the chip in Microsofts hot chips presentation so I could check the scanner code on the chip. Didn't get anything though:P
Edited by Dr.Savage - 9/6/13 at 3:29pm
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It's called the main SoC, because there's also a south bridge. If there was a second graphics chip, it wouldn't be called an SoC (system on a chip), it'd just be a GPU.

And while we're at it, the main chip isn't really an SoC to begin with.
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Okay that completely crushes one of the arguments by one of the guys on the site. You are playing with my "hope" Bd2003:P
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I agree that the dGPU rumors are just as bad as the bad yield rumors. All that matters is what we actually have, not what happens during the course of development.

That said, using the logic that "if the Xbox One had a dGPU in addition to the APU, wouldn't Microsoft have been yelling it at the top of their lungs?" is wrong if it's true that the dGPU is based on the upcoming AMD Volcano Islands GPU since AMD themselves haven't even announced it yet. So if there was a dGPU in there, Microsoft can't announce it before AMD has a chance to announce it.

it's a plausible story. but who knows if it's more than a story.
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Yeah, I went back and checked and it appears that misterx is saying that is one justification (MainSoc name convention) for him thinking there is something more there. So if the rest of the clues can be beat down as quickly as BD2003 beat that one, we probably have a load of crap rumors here. Now I am depressed and it is my on damn fault:P

Believe in Russians....heck they are making more sense than many in this country. FACT! biggrin.gif. Putin Power!
Edited by Dr.Savage - 9/6/13 at 3:48pm
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I highly doubt it's a dGPU but I can see it being more possible that it is the Volcanic Islands GPU though. We will see..
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