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post #7981 of 14783
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Whether you spend $5K on a TV or $500 or $50, tax is a percentage. It matters the same no matter what the cost. 10% is 10%, 6% is 6%. It makes no difference what the cost of the item is. It matters exactly the same no matter what the cost of the item.

Except that it doesn't (or at least shouldn't) to most people. Going a little out of your way to save $350 in tax on a $5000 TV or $2800 on a $40,000 car would be worth it to many people. Going out of your way to save a measly $4 on a video game is beyond absurd.
post #7982 of 14783
States are all passing laws to require taxes up front for all purchases. Nothing has ever been tax free, you are supposed to self declare when you file but most seem to forget. States need revenues and internet purchases can provide them.

The only digital I have or intent to get has been free. I still have yet to spend a dime on apps even though I have owned smart phones for quite a few years now.
post #7983 of 14783
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Originally Posted by ThumperII View Post

States are all passing laws to require taxes up front for all purchases. Nothing has ever been tax free, you are supposed to self declare when you file but most seem to forget. States need revenues and internet purchases can provide them.

The only digital I have or intent to get has been free. I still have yet to spend a dime on apps even though I have owned smart phones for quite a few years now.

Red flagged...for the IRS! wink.gif
post #7984 of 14783
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

I can't remember the last time I didn't pay sales tax when buying something digitally. If you're exempt right now, enjoy it while you can...

I'm an Amazon Prime member and shop Amazon a lot. Until 15 October 2012 they didn't charge sales tax on orders from California (though they did for 6 or 7 other states). They still don't charge sales tax for items sold for most of their "Marketplace" sellers. I carefully check to see if any other seller has the item with free or Prime shipping before I buy from Amazon. If the item costs enough, the sales tax by itself might make a lower priced Amazon item more expensive.

Looking at my order history on Amazon's site, I see that 7 of the last 10 were untaxed.
Edited by michaeltscott - 9/15/13 at 11:24am
post #7985 of 14783
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Originally Posted by spyder696969 View Post

The "astronomical sum" of three whole dollars in tax isn't going to get me to make the switch from discs that I can resale or share to digital. The few DDs I purchased in years past were only bought because something wasn't available on disc, like extra DLC content. Of course, once I scored 50 orders of 1200 MS points for $5 each a few months back, thus giving me 60,000 MS points for a measly $250, I've got some buying to do...especially now that MS has decided to turn my points into dollars that have to be spent soon. That said, I only buy extra map packs (like the Skyrim stuff offered last week) when it's on sale. Unfortunately, MS rarely has anything good during these sales.

Honestly, I'll never understand why everyone seems to cry their eyeballs out over taxes, particularly those in CA. Unless you're making a monster purchase like spending a few thousand on a new TV, it barely matters.


I got in on that deal and bought 20 of those from the MS Store and wasn't charged sales tax.

When MS broke the news about Xbox Live would be switching over to real currency, I distinctly remember reading that we wouldn't have to pay a sales tax on purchases made from our account balances on the conversion date due to the fact that these were initially points and not real currency. For this reason alone, you wanted to redeem all of those codes before the conversion date in order to avoid paying taxes on them. It was my understanding that going forward from the conversion date, we would have to pay taxes on purchases made with any new funds we added to our accounts.



Death and Taxes.

Eventually, we're all gonna die and we'll all be paying taxes on our internet transactions.
post #7986 of 14783
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I'm an Amazon Prime member and shop Amazon a lot. Until 15 October 2012 they didn't charge sales tax on orders from California (though they did for 6 or 7 other states). They still don't charge sales tax for items sold for most of their "Marketplace" sellers. I carefully check to see if any other seller has the item with free or Prime shipping before I buy from Amazon. If the item costs enough, the sales tax by itself might make a lower priced Amazon item more expensive.

Looking at my order history on Amazon's site, I see that 7 of the last 10 were untaxed.

Yeah actually now that I think of it, newegg usually doesn't have tax for me in NY.
post #7987 of 14783
Found this concerning taxes on Xbox Live purchases after the switch:


http://support.xbox.com/en-US/billing-and-subscriptions/account-management/microsoft-points-retire-faq


Will I be taxed on the content that I buy on Xbox Marketplace?

We will not apply taxes when you purchase content using currency that we add to your account at the time of the transition. However, when you use currency that you add to your account after the transition (including from Xbox Gift Cards), all appropriate taxes will be applied to those purchases.
post #7988 of 14783
Here in Arkansas we do not pay for tax on digital sales.
post #7989 of 14783
I sure wish MS had not panicked and rushed the Xbox One to market prematurely in 2013. IMO they really paid a steep price for jamming this console out (obviously) One year earlier than planned. They had a lot of really good ideas that got completely lost in the translation. And a few bad ones, that would have been obvious had they let Sony go first this time. Patience was their friend for 2013 and they ignored it. MS' entire focus in 2013 should have been strengthening the world of Windows 8. Including Win8 PC Gaming. I personally don't think they would have lost a single Xbox One or 360 user sale over time. Especially if they steep discounted the Xbox 360 over the holidays. But that's just my pov. Bottom line is XB1 is not ready for prime time as this article suggests. And early adopters may be in for a bumpy ride. I plan to buy one. But not before 2015 as I've always stated. And I'll buy it brand new and unused. I could care less about its spec parity with PS4. That means absolutely nothing to me. The specs on both consoles are comparable and compatible with high end PC gaming. And that's more than adequate IMO. If Xbox One becomes Oculus Rift compatible in 2014, I would quickly change my mind. But that is the only way it happens for me. Good luck to the early adopters. I salute your enthusiasm. I'm sure your fun and excitement will overwhelm some pretty obvious disappointments on game day. But I'm sure MS will deliver the full plate of goods before 2014 ends.

http://www.geek.com/games/developer-complaints-confirm-the-unfinished-state-of-the-xbox-one-1570747/
post #7990 of 14783
There's no way that you start a project as immensely complex as a game console and then move your schedule up an entire year. No way whatsoever. However poor the execution I'm absolutely certain that Holiday 2013 was the scheduled launch date for the product.
post #7991 of 14783
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Originally Posted by barrelbelly View Post

I sure wish MS had not panicked and rushed the Xbox One to market prematurely in 2013. IMO they really paid a steep price for jamming this console out (obviously) One year earlier than planned. They had a lot of really good ideas that got completely lost in the translation. And a few bad ones, that would have been obvious had they let Sony go first this time. Patience was their friend for 2013 and they ignored it. MS' entire focus in 2013 should have been strengthening the world of Windows 8. Including Win8 PC Gaming. I personally don't think they would have lost a single Xbox One or 360 user sale over time. Especially if they steep discounted the Xbox 360 over the holidays. But that's just my pov. Bottom line is XB1 is not ready for prime time as this article suggests. And early adopters may be in for a bumpy ride. I plan to buy one. But not before 2015 as I've always stated. And I'll buy it brand new and unused. I could care less about its spec parity with PS4. That means absolutely nothing to me. The specs on both consoles are comparable and compatible with high end PC gaming. And that's more than adequate IMO. If Xbox One becomes Oculus Rift compatible in 2014, I would quickly change my mind. But that is the only way it happens for me. Good luck to the early adopters. I salute your enthusiasm. I'm sure your fun and excitement will overwhelm some pretty obvious disappointments on game day. But I'm sure MS will deliver the full plate of goods before 2014 ends.

http://www.geek.com/games/developer-complaints-confirm-the-unfinished-state-of-the-xbox-one-1570747/

Just a fanboy article riding of the Edge BS that came out last week. He is talking about the same no name Devs that Edge was talking about. I don't know where your getting this rushed and one year out stuff from.
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If we keep repeating, it has to be true.
post #7993 of 14783
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Originally Posted by mboojigga View Post

Just a fanboy article riding of the Edge BS that came out last week. He is talking about the same no name Devs that Edge was talking about. I don't know where your getting this rushed and one year out stuff from.

They certainly didn't appear to be anywhere near ready to announce it earlier in the year. Nor to explain it or defend it. And they have changed it on the fly in the midst of massive criticism (some unfair-some earned). They reportedly will be running operation changes on day one that is completely unknown or mysterious to people buying the consoles. Heck...if I was an early adopter, I wouldn't trust that a single game I bought on day one would be ready to play on the console I'm buying. And that is based on information readily available to the public. That's means rushed and unready IMO. Only MS and its most trusted partners and developers know what their real critical path was with Xbox ONE. Everybody on this thread and the other one was/is guessing or speculating. So my guess is they were planning 2014. And moved it up in the face of the Sony launch. It doesn't matter. Because we'll all know in 2 months whether it was worth it. Or whether they should have left it in development for 1 more year to make it better.
post #7994 of 14783
I think their goal was 2013, but I also think they thought they'd have another year if they ran into trouble (and they did along pretty much every step of the way). They probably got wind of all the exclusive support Sonys got going on this year with the PS3, and figured Sony wanted another year focusing on it since they were a year behind.

Then Sony surprised everyone with their announcement and their tech, and cemented the launch window, problems be damned.

Releasing a few weeks to a month out wouldn't have been a big deal. But ceding 6-12 months to Sony is unacceptable.
post #7995 of 14783
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Originally Posted by barrelbelly View Post

Everybody on this thread and the other one was/is guessing or speculating. So my guess is they were planning 2014.

My guess is based on 30 plus years as a professional engineer, including over a decade of engineering project management. You do not ever successfully move the launch of a product in development up a year. You can throw as much money at it as you want. Double the size of the team, give them as much additional resources as you want--whatever. It ain't happening. If the project was realistically scheduled, you might manage to trim a couple of months off but by no means 12. Not gonna happen, no way, no how. Period.

Generally, if a project is incorrectly estimated the launch date doesn't move, features just fall off. It ends up being not quite the product that it was originally planned to be.

You don't decide to wait another year because you're not quite ready. This effort is costing them tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars per month, and corporate income forecasts are predicated on sales of the product beginning in a particular time frame. Bad things will happen if that return on investment is held back for a long time. It will create really, really ugly quarterly reports showing your company bleeding out money with no promise of regaining it in the short term. Shareholders and Wall Street will not be amused (well, it might amuse your competitors biggrin.gif).
post #7996 of 14783
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Originally Posted by barrelbelly View Post

I sure wish MS had not panicked and rushed the Xbox One to market prematurely in 2013. IMO they really paid a steep price for jamming this console out (obviously) One year earlier than planned. They had a lot of really good ideas that got completely lost in the translation. And a few bad ones, that would have been obvious had they let Sony go first this time. Patience was their friend for 2013 and they ignored it. MS' entire focus in 2013 should have been strengthening the world of Windows 8. Including Win8 PC Gaming. I personally don't think they would have lost a single Xbox One or 360 user sale over time. Especially if they steep discounted the Xbox 360 over the holidays. But that's just my pov. Bottom line is XB1 is not ready for prime time as this article suggests. And early adopters may be in for a bumpy ride. I plan to buy one. But not before 2015 as I've always stated. And I'll buy it brand new and unused. I could care less about its spec parity with PS4. That means absolutely nothing to me. The specs on both consoles are comparable and compatible with high end PC gaming. And that's more than adequate IMO. If Xbox One becomes Oculus Rift compatible in 2014, I would quickly change my mind. But that is the only way it happens for me. Good luck to the early adopters. I salute your enthusiasm. I'm sure your fun and excitement will overwhelm some pretty obvious disappointments on game day. But I'm sure MS will deliver the full plate of goods before 2014 ends.

http://www.geek.com/games/developer-complaints-confirm-the-unfinished-state-of-the-xbox-one-1570747/
So basically, an article that cites the Edge article that cites... well, no one. And the article ends with them saying they haven't shown launch games on production hardware, which we absolutely know isn't true. So yeah... I don't particularly believe any of that piece. But I'll be sure to let you know how it is when I get mine at launch! wink.gif
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Nothing but BS writing for site hits & ad revenue.

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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I'm an Amazon Prime member and shop Amazon a lot. Until 15 October 2012 they didn't charge sales tax on orders from California (though they did for 6 or 7 other states). They still don't charge sales tax for items sold for most of their "Marketplace" sellers. I carefully check to see if any other seller has the item with free or Prime shipping before I buy from Amazon. If the item costs enough, the sales tax by itself might make a lower priced Amazon item more expensive.

Looking at my order history on Amazon's site, I see that 7 of the last 10 were untaxed.

I just noticed that this weekend. Amazon started collecting tax in Virginia on September 1st. But this weekend I placed my first order from a Marketplace seller and I was surprised that no taxes were collected. The change to tax collection has already decreased the orders I get from Amazon. Since Best Buy price matches Amazon, I might as well get those purchases from BestBuy instead since they will be the same price and I can get them right away. But I guess now I will be on the look out for marketplace sellers that have their items fulfilled by Amazon, since I can still get two day shipping for Amazon Prime from them and still avoid the tax.
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

So basically, an article that cites the Edge article that cites... well, no one. And the article ends with them saying they haven't shown launch games on production hardware, which we absolutely know isn't true. So yeah... I don't particularly believe any of that piece. But I'll be sure to let you know how it is when I get mine at launch! wink.gif

Yeah that Geek article is junk, and it seems to be just them repeating a bunch of rumors and sourced info from other sites instead of actually going out and sourcing it themselves (and WTF, not even sourcing/linking it!?). Big no-no if you want to be taken seriously, and I don’t know how an editor allowed it.

That said the stuff they stole does have sources. They’re flat out misconstruing the report that 3rd party stuff has been all PC (I think with PS4 maybe only 1-2 3rd party games have been shown on PS4 hardware? ACBF and Watchdogs?). Definitely not “all games”, as MS has shown all their first/second party stuff on hardware now.

The Spec and performance stuff does have a number of developers names attached to it, and it sourced elsewhere. They didn’t name names because they’re just lifting work out there from other people by reporting on the reporting. Tisk tisk!
post #8000 of 14783
Sorry to go off topic but I've been a Xbox fan since the first one came out. But this go around I'm going to wait and see what everyones impressions are on each console before buying one. If I end up getting a Xbox One I'll wait until the bugs are worked out this go around. Going through 4 360s has me a bit tentative on the build quality with Microsoft.
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Yeah that Geek article is junk, and it seems to be just them repeating a bunch of rumors and sourced info from other sites instead of actually going out and sourcing it themselves (and WTF, not even sourcing/linking it!?). Big no-no if you want to be taken seriously, and I don’t know how an editor allowed it.

That said the stuff they stole does have sources. They’re flat out misconstruing the report that 3rd party stuff has been all PC (I think with PS4 maybe only 1-2 3rd party games have been shown on PS4 hardware? ACBF and Watchdogs?). Definitely not “all games”, as MS has shown all their first/second party stuff on hardware now.

The Spec and performance stuff does have a number of developers names attached to it, and it sourced elsewhere. They didn’t name names because they’re just lifting work out there from other people by reporting on the reporting. Tisk tisk!

Welcome to the realities of Internet 'news'.

If they did a good enough job the story will be spammed on a dozen different sites over the next couple weeks and then a major news outlet will report it a month later as 'trending now'.
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

My guess is based on 30 plus years as a professional engineer, including over a decade of engineering project management. You do not ever successfully move the launch of a product in development up a year. You can throw as much money at it as you want. Double the size of the team, give them as much additional resources as you want--whatever. It ain't happening. If the project was realistically scheduled, you might manage to trim a couple of months off but by no means 12. Not gonna happen, no way, no how. Period.

Generally, if a project is incorrectly estimated the launch date doesn't move, features just fall off. It ends up being not quite the product that it was originally planned to be.
You don't decide to wait another year because you're not quite ready. This effort is costing them tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars per month, and corporate income forecasts are predicated on sales of the product beginning in a particular time frame. Bad things will happen if that return on investment is held back for a long time. It will create really, really ugly quarterly reports showing your company bleeding out money with no promise of regaining it in the short term. Shareholders and Wall Street will not be amused (well, it might amuse your competitors biggrin.gif).

I gave you a thumbs up because overall I really liked your response. Most of it is accurate. But I highlighted the part that I dispute...while acknowledging that you were replying in "general". I too ran a global engineering department, for a Fortune 500 company (ITW) in the 1980's. Albeit the products we manufactured were in no way related to products like Xbox or videogames...they were nonetheless very high tech and vital to the industries they served. With that being said...I routinely changed major milestones within critical paths of several products/projects (like Impulse Technology) to adjust for real world changes or new information. And sometimes those changes moved launch windows back as much as a year. But it was always a check and balance process that included a benefit/cost analysis, whereby the potential rewards of delay far outweighed the risks. I even had some projects cancelled outright via this process. So I think this happens much more than you are implying. It certainly has been in companies I worked for. Even in this industry. The videogame Prey 2 has been publicly delayed in similar fashion for over a year. I could cite other examples but it's unnecessary. I really wasn't suggesting that MS delay the launch by 12 months anyway. I was suggesting that they didn't appear ready to launch. And suggested that they may have moved a few major milestones around to meet competition. One of those milestones easily could have been their decision to only launch in the USA at the tail end of 2013. And in the old thread...that was exactly the condition I predicted they would invoke if they moved their launch window into this year. I called it a limited market, controlled rollout. And that is precisely what MS is doing.
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Not trying to start a flame-fest on myself, but what are the reasons people are so pissy about or scared of in regards to "Microsoft build quality"?
Yes I know about the RROD issues. Been through a total of 8 units myself since we became an "XBOX360" house. But in each case, every time, they fixed the issue for free. Did I get a refurbed unit. Prolly... But in each case I had less than a two week wait. And if we were pacing the floors, we bought a new 360. And soon within 2 years, all the people in my household at the time 5 of them, had their own 360.

I guess while there was a defect discovered that caused modes of failure that were unplanned for by Microsoft, not once, were they mean, unresponsive etc in fixing my consoles. yes it was unfortunate but they did take care of me for 3 years per console. I feel the same for the Sony issue as well though have zero experience with it. Was there some terrible corporate policy to give the finger to the consumers regarding those issues that I never experienced?



I guess I am just not concerned about the "build" because I figure that if the console pukes out, they will fix the problem like the 360.


I know have a buddy who is on his fourth 360. he bought it at Costco and never had to wait a day when he got the RRoD. He simply took it back and got another one. On top of that, if they were on sale he got money back... It was absurd.

LUCKY BUGGER biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by cubdenno View Post

Not trying to start a flame-fest on myself, but what are the reasons people are so pissy about or scared of in regards to "Microsoft build quality"?
Yes I know about the RROD issues. Been through a total of 8 units myself since we became an "XBOX360" house. But in each case, every time, they fixed the issue for free. Did I get a refurbed unit. Prolly... But in each case I had less than a two week wait. And if we were pacing the floors, we bought a new 360. And soon within 2 years, all the people in my household at the time 5 of them, had their own 360.

I guess while there was a defect discovered that caused modes of failure that were unplanned for by Microsoft, not once, were they mean, unresponsive etc in fixing my consoles. yes it was unfortunate but they did take care of me for 3 years per console. I feel the same for the Sony issue as well though have zero experience with it. Was there some terrible corporate policy to give the finger to the consumers regarding those issues that I never experienced?



I guess I am just not concerned about the "build" because I figure that if the console pukes out, they will fix the problem like the 360.


I know have a buddy who is on his fourth 360. he bought it at Costco and never had to wait a day when he got the RRoD. He simply took it back and got another one. On top of that, if they were on sale he got money back... It was absurd.

LUCKY BUGGER biggrin.gif

I'm guessing 5 xbox360's in one home isn't the norm and that a lot of people couldn't afford to buy another 360 just so they didn't have to wait while their unit was in service.
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1) Thats one of the main reasons I'm a Costco shopper for life. Their return/warranty/guaranteed lifetime satisfaction policy is the best in the business.

2) RROD has been a non-issue since the Xbox "slim" was introduced. While it took MS much longer than anyone expected to permanently fix the problem, what is clear is that did permanently fix it.

About the only concern I have with the XB1.. is that I have to wait another 9 weeks to use it.
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

I'm guessing 5 xbox360's in one home isn't the norm and that a lot of people couldn't afford to buy another 360 just so they didn't have to wait while their unit was in service.
I'm on my 14th since launch... Still not worried. Of course, I may be insane.
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

I'm on my 14th since launch... Still not worried. Of course, I may be insane.

Yeah, that may be a possibility. Most people are going to judge the Xbox One's reliability on a standard consumer scale...and when you spend $500 just for the hardware, you expect it to be relatively sturdy. Yes, the 360's were replaced in relatively short order; that still doesn't excuse the terrible numbers. The original Xbox did not suffer from that substandard build quality. I can't think of another consumer device that I've owned that has had two successive units fail in the fashion of the 360. Clearly some folks are willing to put up with such issues, but I'd wager most consumers will expect much better numbers than that.

In the last generation, i had to replace my Wii once, my Xbox 360 twice and my PS3 never. I can say that Nitendo's replacement policy and speed far outpaced that of Microsoft, when I needed the console replaced. I can't speak to Sony's process. Of course, the PS3 also gets the least use, other than as a media streamer and BD player.
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

I'm on my 14th since launch... Still not worried. Of course, I may be insane.

There is a few other words I can think of... smile.gif

But in the end you have your game library and once your locked in your in. Which is why I still find it pretty amazing that none of the next gen consoles offer previous gen emu's at launch. Its almost a guaranteed way to retain users as they upgrade .

I won't sell my 360 Console since I have too many games for it but give me a way to play them on the XB1 and that 360 console is history.
post #8009 of 14783
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

I'm guessing 5 xbox360's in one home isn't the norm and that a lot of people couldn't afford to buy another 360 just so they didn't have to wait while their unit was in service.

That wasn't done everytime. But we did do it twice. And the two purchases were the 4gb versions or whatever the non hard drive ones are. If I remember one was a Dell special when they had elites for 150 bucks.

I guess my point is that even when we did wait, Microsoft made good on replacing the unit. While it did have Microsoft's name on it, wasn't it a faulty solder used?
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Originally Posted by cubdenno View Post

That wasn't done everytime. But we did do it twice. And the two purchases were the 4gb versions or whatever the non hard drive ones are. If I remember one was a Dell special when they had elites for 150 bucks.

I guess my point is that even when we did wait, Microsoft made good on replacing the unit. While it did have Microsoft's name on it, wasn't it a faulty solder used?

Still, not everybody has that luxury. It's nice you were able to. Frankly, I'd be bummed to be out of a console for 2 weeks. On top that I just hate dealing with hassle, one that shouldn't have been an issue to begin with especially. I don't know what RROD was caused by, just that it was a massive problem.
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