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post #8011 of 14783
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Originally Posted by samendolaro View Post

There is a few other words I can think of... smile.gif
In fairness to Microsoft, some of those were due to extenuating circumstances... like when the refurb they sent me was burned in a fire in a UPS truck. But still, it was a lot of hassle. Only paid for 2 of the 14 though, so it's all good.
post #8012 of 14783
HEY FELLAS!

This thread has already been rolled back once with several members losing posting privledges due to the specific off-topic discussion that is being brought up again for what must be the ****ing 80th time. Let's quit talking about previous generation issues and focus on the XBone before this thread gets rolled back again or locked. Believe me: it's been talked about TO DEATH and that discussion isn't going anywhere.

Thanks! smile.gif
post #8013 of 14783
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Originally Posted by sage11x View Post

Let's quit talking about previous generation issues and focus on the XBone before this thread gets rolled back again or locked. Believe me: it's been talked about TO DEATH and that discussion isn't going anywhere.

People are talking about next gen; the chance that the Xbone will have similar RROD issues.

My guess? No.

Last gen a few thing came together that ultimately caused it. MS wanting to be first to market, the high wattage of the initial last gen consoles (heat), and the change to tin solder in consumer electronics due to new EU regulations. Even Sony got hit with the same issues due to heat that should have been within spec ruining the solder joints on the RSX.

Times are different. These consoles are going to be running much, much cooler at much lower wattages. They have chips that offload OS, background, and video functions, and even while running games to the max, they simply won’t be pulling nearly as much wattage / putting out the sort of heat last gen launch consoles did. They’ve had years to get used to the new realities of lead-less solder. The Xbone is also designed with a lot of room to breathe on top of a diesel fan and heatsink that will keep the APU pretty cool. Don't let the silence fool you, they got one huge fan in there on top of a nasty heatsink.

There can always be component issues (Drives, Fans going, bad RAM), but I don’t think well see the systematic widespread heat failure issues we did last gen. Everything has been designed to limit them, or to remove the things that caused it in the first place.

Still, I wouldn’t be against 3-5yr extended warranty just in case. Supposedly you can get them pretty cheap online. And as Daekwan said, Costco is an excellent option due to their “if it breaks, return it” exchange policy.
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

In fairness to Microsoft, some of those were due to extenuating circumstances... like when the refurb they sent me was burned in a fire in a UPS truck. But still, it was a lot of hassle. Only paid for 2 of the 14 though, so it's all good.


I knew they ran hot, but RROD'ing and burning a truck down before anyone even plugged it in?!

wink.gif
post #8014 of 14783
from Albert Penello - Sept. 14, 2013: " You will see more from us on the numbers and explaining things we've done with AMD. You won't see more from *me* on this - but I said that part already - hence why I'm not jumping in to the debate again. I'd like to, believe me, but learned my lesson on that.
This type of info needs to come directly from the architects. I will continue (and did today) answer questions about the platform where I can. But I'm tapping out on this one for now! "

Everyone's favorite Xbox guy has given us so many hints! He even uses a profile picture that neogaf user made mocking him. The man has an ace up his sleeve. It looks like some posters on Beyond3D are seeing that XB1 might have a little more juice in the tank. Good forums to follow for tech stuff if you haven't. This post (getting back to XB1;) is a little rumorish or a lot rumorish, but I am starting to see a haze in the air. Something wicked this way is coming even if it isn't four titans taped together in the XB1;)

BELIEVE!!! biggrin.gif
post #8015 of 14783
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Originally Posted by Dr.Savage View Post

from Albert Penello - Sept. 14, 2013: " You will see more from us on the numbers and explaining things we've done with AMD. You won't see more from *me* on this - but I said that part already - hence why I'm not jumping in to the debate again. I'd like to, believe me, but learned my lesson on that.
This type of info needs to come directly from the architects. I will continue (and did today) answer questions about the platform where I can. But I'm tapping out on this one for now! "

Everyone's favorite Xbox guy has given us so many hints! He even uses a profile picture that neogaf user made mocking him. The man has an ace up his sleeve. It looks like some posters on Beyond3D are seeing that XB1 might have a little more juice in the tank. Good forums to follow for tech stuff if you haven't. This post (getting back to XB1;) is a little rumorish or a lot rumorish, but I am starting to see a haze in the air. Something wicked this way is coming even if it isn't four titans taped together in the XB1;)

BELIEVE!!! biggrin.gif

They're just short of a full blown Napoleon complex at this point. I can't believe they haven't wised up and dropped the subject.
post #8016 of 14783
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

They're just short of a full blown Napoleon complex at this point. I can't believe they haven't wised up and dropped the subject.

You are probably 100% right...however, if Albert is not going full bore Napoleon and is playing poker this will be one of the greatest moments in the history of the Internets!

Again, there is something in the air. I got a funny feeling. Reading through Beyond3D, the "crazy" websites, my own interpretation of human nature and the people that are tweeting/posting to Neogaf, and there is something funny going on. If I am wrong I will come here are say I was wrong (not sure about what yet other than there ain't nothing in the air:) just like I did when I posted Albert's infamous "there ain't no dGPU" tweet on these pages!

Open your mind and Believe and perhaps look like a posting fool...like me biggrin.gif

***Uh Oh. Looks like TDP for Xbox One may be 135 watts. Looks like the secret sauce might be leaking out the console....uh oh frown.gif

from "clone" description:
"Input AC voltage: 110V-240V

Output DC: 12V/9.6A

Exactly same with the original"

So basically 115 watts is the max draw from an XB1? frown.gif
Edited by Dr.Savage - 9/16/13 at 4:41pm
post #8017 of 14783
I don't think MS releases information about Xbox Live memberships, but it would be interesting to track that as of late. My Live is set to expire at the end of this month, and I will then have to decide to re-up for another year, or maybe for just three months.
post #8018 of 14783
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Originally Posted by Dr.Savage View Post


You are probably 100% right...however, if Albert is not going full bore Napoleon and is playing poker this will be one of the greatest moments in the history of the Internets!

Again, there is something in the air. I got a funny feeling. Reading through Beyond3D, the "crazy" websites, my own interpretation of human nature and the people that are tweeting/posting to Neogaf, and there is something funny going on. If I am wrong I will come here are say I was wrong (not sure about what yet other than there ain't nothing in the air:) just like I did when I posted Albert's infamous "there ain't no dGPU" tweet on these pages!

Open your mind and Believe and perhaps look like a posting fool...like me biggrin.gif

***Uh Oh. Looks like TDP for Xbox One may be 135 watts. Looks like the secret sauce might be leaking out the console....uh oh frown.gif

from "clone" description:
"Input AC voltage: 110V-240V

Output DC: 12V/9.6A

Exactly same with the original"

So basically 115 watts is the max draw from an XB1? frown.gif

 

That sounds about right.

post #8019 of 14783
I don't remember if they announced this before.
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Gamers can purchase a disc-less dual-license digital version of "Call of Duty: Ghosts" at participating retailers for a suggested retail price of $69.99. This version will include the Xbox 360 digital version of "Call of Duty: Ghosts," as well as the Xbox One digital version of "Call of Duty: Ghosts" – linked and unlocked via a user’s Xbox Live gamertag. More information on how to pre-order at participating retailers will be available in the coming weeks.
Players can also purchase a digital version of "Call of Duty: Ghosts" directly from the Xbox Live Marketplace for a suggested retail price of $59.99. And, when ready to upgrade to Xbox One, you can purchase a digital Xbox One version of "Call of Duty: Ghosts" for a suggested retail price of just $10 on the Xbox Live Marketplace until March 31, 2014.
http://news.xbox.com/2013/09/games-call-of-duty-upgrade
post #8020 of 14783
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Originally Posted by Dr.Savage View Post

You are probably 100% right...however, if Albert is not going full bore Napoleon and is playing poker this will be one of the greatest moments in the history of the Internets!

Again, there is something in the air. I got a funny feeling. Reading through Beyond3D, the "crazy" websites, my own interpretation of human nature and the people that are tweeting/posting to Neogaf, and there is something funny going on. If I am wrong I will come here are say I was wrong (not sure about what yet other than there ain't nothing in the air:) just like I did when I posted Albert's infamous "there ain't no dGPU" tweet on these pages!

Open your mind and Believe and perhaps look like a posting fool...like me biggrin.gif

***Uh Oh. Looks like TDP for Xbox One may be 135 watts. Looks like the secret sauce might be leaking out the console....uh oh frown.gif

from "clone" description:
"Input AC voltage: 110V-240V

Output DC: 12V/9.6A

Exactly same with the original"

So basically 115 watts is the max draw from an XB1? frown.gif

That would be the max on the DC bus. Doesn't say anything about consumption with the input. 115W total consumption is prolly too low. Maybe when watching netflix but when stuff is working, I bet there is more than a 1.73A draw on the line.
post #8021 of 14783
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Originally Posted by scubasteve2365 View Post

That would be the max on the DC bus. Doesn't say anything about consumption with the input. 115W total consumption is prolly too low. Maybe when watching netflix but when stuff is working, I bet there is more than a 1.73A draw on the line.

Here is the link:

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/1270335241/New_Arrival_Adapter_For_Xbox_One.html

Hi Steve: If this is correct, the total draw is 115w possible correct?

Should have posted the link earlier.

Thanks in advance!
post #8022 of 14783
115 watts sounds pretty good if that is the max it is drawing. For just watching Netflix I would expect it to be much, much lower. They did say that there are multiple power states for the box.

Either way isn't 115 watts less than the max power draw of the 360 Slim?

I am glad the power supply is still external though. It makes it much easier if there is a power supply problem.
post #8023 of 14783
The Elite 360 console I have sitting next to me is 203w.
...
Just checked my new 360 and it is 135w.

What the...

So the power requirements are almost identical from the current 360 to the XB1.

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Don't know if the Alibaba numbers for the PS is accurate or not.

Bluray drive: Less than 25w (18w) [10w with BD2003's input)
RAM modules: 4 watts each (rough guess) 16w total [12w considering XB1 is using 2gb sticks]
Chip: no clue
Kinect: no clue (25w guess) due to camera/microphone and chip??? [not sure what to make this since K2 has a chip on board, I think as mentioned below there is a special USB, so not sure if this is USB on on bus with full power???]
MB: 25-55w guessing. 25w [20w meeting in the middle with mine and BD2003]
Fan: 6w guess (5w guess) [3w - BD2003]
HDD: less than 5w (4w guess) [3w - BD2003]

Rough wattage total: 18w+16w+25w+25w+6w+4w= So rough guess is 94w excluding Chip. Which leaves 21w for chip.
Adjusted wattage total: 10w+12w+?+25w+20w+3w+3w= So new rough guess is 73 excluding chip and making wild guess on K2. Which leaves 42w for chip. This is starting to look a little more plausible expecially if the K2 is only 15ish watts, that gives APU about 50w, which adds up to matching the watts below on those similar chips. Granted the XB1 is customized with a few additions.

Probably forgetting stuff to add and just guessing on wattage based on quick internet search.

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http://www.techspot.com/news/53949-amd-working-on-4-and-8-core-arm-based-chips-for-embedded-market.html

Based on these projections for Jaguar chip, maybe this isn't too far out there for power draw.

derp

Here is another link (better relevance to console):

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6976/amds-jaguar-architecture-the-cpu-powering-xbox-one-playstation-4-kabini-temash/4

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PS: Not an electrician :P

Thanks Bd2003. I have updated above based on your post below:
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

You're waaaay off.

BD drive is 5-10W.
Kinect is powered by USB 3 AFAIK, so that's only 5W max.
A 4GB stick of ram can be less than 2 watts, so maybe 5W max for all 8GB?
The HDD is maybe 3W running at full blast, same with the fan.
Motherboard maybe 10-15W.

Plenty of room left for the APU to take the lions share of the power.

Edited by Dr.Savage - 9/17/13 at 6:09am
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Didn't mean to start a RROD discussion. I've loved the 360 since it came out but this go around I'm waiting to see how both systems are and want reviews from everyday joes and not people that are paid to write reviews. I don't care about exclusive titles as the games I play are for both platforms. I only play online games and I want whatever console offers better graphics. I don't need a bluray player or a end all be all media hub.
post #8025 of 14783
You're waaaay off.

BD drive is 5-10W.
Kinect is powered by USB 3 AFAIK, so that's only 5W max.
A 4GB stick of ram can be less than 2 watts, so maybe 5W max for all 8GB?
The HDD is maybe 3W running at full blast, same with the fan.
Motherboard maybe 10-15W.

Plenty of room left for the APU to take the lions share of the power.
post #8026 of 14783
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

You're waaaay off.

BD drive is 5-10W.
Kinect is powered by USB 3 AFAIK, so that's only 5W max.
A 4GB stick of ram can be less than 2 watts, so maybe 5W max for all 8GB?
The HDD is maybe 3W running at full blast, same with the fan.
Motherboard maybe 10-15W.

Plenty of room left for the APU to take the lions share of the power.

Kinect has a proprietary connection on the back of the Xbox One. On the old console Kinect 1 could be plugged into USB but required separate power. So we really don't know the power draw for Kinect 2 yet.
post #8027 of 14783
So Aaron Greenberg recently tweeted that Ryse is running at 900p, instead of 1080p. Supposedly 1600 x 900 at 30fps. He also mentioned that the Xbox One will scale everything up to 1080p, and everything looks great.


Here's my question... If I'm connecting my XB1 up to a 720p display (I still have a 720p projector), will I be able to set the XB1 to output at 720p ? I'm guessing that a conversion from 1600 x 900 to 1280 x 720 will look better than going from 1600 x 900 to 1920 x 1080 to 1270 x 720. I'm assuming it would be available in the display options somewhere. Also, wouldn't it be cool if on 1080p games that you run at 720p, that they would have a performance boost, like a PC version would. I wonder if they could somehow enable that ?
post #8028 of 14783
I would love the option to run games at lower resolutions to increase frame rates. They didn't do it this gen and i doubt they'll do it next gen.
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

I would love the option to run games at lower resolutions to increase frame rates. They didn't do it this gen and i doubt they'll do it next gen.

It's usually because they're CPU bound anyway. There were a few games that ran more smoothly in SD though, like GTA IV.
post #8030 of 14783
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Originally Posted by Dr.Savage View Post

Here is the link:

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/1270335241/New_Arrival_Adapter_For_Xbox_One.html

Hi Steve: If this is correct, the total draw is 115w possible correct?

Should have posted the link earlier.

Thanks in advance!

I most certainly wouldn't trust that, it's a knock off 3rd party power supply. 115W for a new console with these new multi-core processors and all (new usually translates to somewhat less efficient in terms of power consumption to computing) still seems too low. A small power supply for a PC is 320-400W. 115W just @ 12V maybe, but the power supply might kick out a 48V bus, 24V bus, 5V bus or <2V bus voltage other than 12V.
Edited by scubasteve2365 - 9/17/13 at 5:32am
post #8031 of 14783
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Originally Posted by scubasteve2365 View Post

I most certainly wouldn't trust that, it's a knock off 3rd party power supply. 115W for a new console with these new multi-core processors and all (new usually translates to somewhat less efficient in terms of power consumption to computing) still seems too low. A small power supply for a PC is 320-400W. 115W just @ 12V maybe, but the power supply might kick out a 48V bus, 24V bus, 5V bus or <2V bus voltage other than 12V.
I wouldn't trust it either. My 2011 Sager is using a input 100-240V and ouput 19V 6.3A power supply. That is with an i7 processor and a Nvidia 460M graphics card. I would think Xbox one would be similar.
post #8032 of 14783
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Originally Posted by Arutha_conDoin View Post

I wouldn't trust it either. My 2011 Sager is using a input 100-240V and ouput 19V 6.3A power supply. That is with an i7 processor and a Nvidia 460M graphics card. I would think Xbox one would be similar.

A laptop needs a bigger power supply cause it needs to be able to run and charge at the same time. Most desktop PSUs are grossly overpowered too, I've got a 600W PSU, and I've never seen it draw more than 275W at full blast, and it's got much more powerful hardware than these consoles.

Whatever the consumption ends up being at full load, its power efficient laptop-class hardware, it's going to be in the 100-150W range at most. Even that much certainly shouldn't be used as some sort of evidence that there's a secret reserve of power that they've yet to reveal.
post #8033 of 14783
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

A laptop needs a bigger power supply cause it needs to be able to run and charge at the same time. Most desktop PSUs are grossly overpowered too, I've got a 600W PSU, and I've never seen it draw more than 275W at full blast, and it's got much more powerful hardware than these consoles.

Whatever the consumption ends up being at full load, its power efficient laptop-class hardware, it's going to be in the 100-150W range at most. Even that much certainly shouldn't be used as some sort of evidence that there's a secret reserve of power that they've yet to reveal.

yes, the above poster's laptop is at 119watts. And I would agree with you BD2003 about the secret sauce. I was hoping for >150w for some secret sauce. Once I saw 115w for XB1 (if Alibaba is believable), I was bummed about no secret sauce. Now we are back to hoping these special processors can move mountains! rolleyes.gif

Secret sauce done leaked out mad.gif
post #8034 of 14783
I still have my launch 360. It works fine but is slow and loud like a leaf blower.
post #8035 of 14783
I don't even think they need "secret sauce". From what we've seen, they've created a fairly elegant and balanced architecture that could greatly level the playing field in practice compared to the more straight-forward approach that PS4 is taking. Both systems are going to be pretty incredible once devs find their footing with them. I just don't expect that to be with the launch titles, as improved as they may be on the current gen versions.
post #8036 of 14783
As long as the software optimization is great, I think the new consoles are just fine until we get to 4K gaming.
post #8037 of 14783
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Anderson View Post

I don't even think they need "secret sauce". From what we've seen, they've created a fairly elegant and balanced architecture that could greatly level the playing field in practice compared to the more straight-forward approach that PS4 is taking. Both systems are going to be pretty incredible once devs find their footing with them. I just don't expect that to be with the launch titles, as improved as they may be on the current gen versions.

Yep BUT you got reported for being sane. Sorry. smile.gif
post #8038 of 14783
Does anyone have a DIY solution for extending the cable for the kinect 2.0? There may eventually be third party solutions but I need something at launch. Is it possible to use cat6 or other cable as a patch cable or something if you weren't afraid of a little wiring.

My equipment is all outside of the room a good 22-24 ft away from the screen.
post #8039 of 14783
DICE possibly will use Kinect for corner peeking in BF4 and confirm 60FPS on XB1.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/battlefield-4-on-xbox-one-could-feature-head-tracking-6414538
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Also in the Xbox Wire interview, Bach confirmed that Battlefield 4 on Xbox One will support 64 players and run at 60 frames-per-second. "This is a big deal for us because it's always something we've wanted to deliver but we couldn't do it without taking away from the core 'Battlefield' experience," he said.
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Originally Posted by jedimastergrant View Post

Does anyone have a DIY solution for extending the cable for the kinect 2.0? There may eventually be third party solutions but I need something at launch. Is it possible to use cat6 or other cable as a patch cable or something if you weren't afraid of a little wiring.

My equipment is all outside of the room a good 22-24 ft away from the screen.
You will probably have to temporarily use a long hdmi cable and extension cord, and locate your Xbox 1 closer to your screen than you'd prefer. Monoprice will look at the connector when it comes out and make an extender, but it could be a few months.
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