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post #8851 of 14775
I think many Sony fans are in meltdown, trying to find reasons to slam the Xbox One version. All I've got to say is proof is in the games when the games are out at retail. No more hiding behind conspiracy theories of doctored pictures and videos.
post #8852 of 14775
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

I count myself as a videophile too. All of my displays (projectors and tv's) were either professionally calibrated or calibrated by me with an I1pro and a lumagen. I ran a 2.4 gamma on my theater projector and had my dE's within 1-2 throughout the grayscale and CIE targets. Hell, my theater room was completely covered in black velvet (walls and ceiling) to maximize ANSI CR and minimize distraction.

However, my gaming projector had a much lower gamma (2.0/2.1) to bring out the shadow detail more and, since there really isn't any standard in how a game should look, I don't feel bad tweaking the display to my liking for a specific game.

Littlejeans.. I didnt know you also speak this alien language.

Since you do. Which one do you think looks better?
post #8853 of 14775
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

I simply dont understand the terminology you were using. And I consider myself a pretty good avs'er. Been here 12 years now.

Now imagine Joe 6-pack and the other 90% of the market buying these consoles, trying to figure out what you saying.

What I will say is in those pictures, the XB1 screenshots clearly look the best of the 3.

Well, joe 6-pack might not be able to articulate it, but his eyes see the same thing. Keep in mind you're viewing these pics on either a mobile phone or PC, which rarely feature image processing of their own. Joe 6-pack will have a TV set to incorrect levels with max processing, and MS *may* be screwing with the levels and processing on top of it. That's going to look harsh to anyone.

In the end it's a personal choice, a lot of people like jacking the sharpness and contrast up to 11, just like some people boost the bass and treble on their stereo cause it sounds more powerful. That's absolutely fine by me if that's what you dig, but that's your displays job, not the source. Doing it on the source ruins it for everybody.
post #8854 of 14775
Well, I thought the lighting and the detail appeared better on the XO in the comparisons I looked at last night but I can see how a purist might like the smoother pic of the PS4. I think that on a regular tv at regular viewing distances, the XO may appear sharper and the colors certainly seemed to have more pop to me on the XO. I tend to doubt the increased jaggies on the XO version compared to the PS4 will be very noticeable from regular viewing distances. Of course, since I actually liked the XO's version a bit more, that probably means I have no idea what I'm talking about and run my displays in torch mode.cool.gif
post #8855 of 14775
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Well, joe 6-pack might not be able to articulate it, but his eyes see the same thing. Keep in mind you're viewing these pics on either a mobile phone or PC, which rarely feature image processing of their own. Joe 6-pack will have a TV set to incorrect levels with max processing, and MS *may* be screwing with the levels and processing on top of it. That's going to look harsh to anyone.

In the end it's a personal choice, a lot of people like jacking the sharpness and contrast up to 11, just like some people boost the bass and treble on their stereo cause it sounds more powerful. That's absolutely fine by me if that's what you dig, but that's your displays job, not the source. Doing it on the source ruins it for everybody.

Or use composite or straight coaxial from their cable boxes on 60-70 screens and don't care if you point out they can use HDMI and here is the had version of the digital channel your used to watching. Fun first, videophile isn't even in their vocabulary unless they walk in Best buy and buy the service to get their display calibrated. It doesn't matter to the majority what MS did or how it comes on their display. As long as it is hooked up they are not going beyond the presets in the menu.
post #8856 of 14775
Sure, but joe average isn't posting here.

Lol I still don't know how some of you guys ended up here. I'm not trying to be exclusionary or elitist, I just honestly don't understand how you ended up choosing AVS as your gaming forum if you're not even slightly interested in this kind of thing. It's kind of hard to say that without coming off as condescending, but I genuinely don't mean it that way. I just can't imagine the reaction someone would get if they posted in the plasma forums something like "enough about black levels and calibration, joe average doesn't care."
post #8857 of 14775
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Sure, but joe average isn't posting here.

Lol I still don't know how some of you guys ended up here. I'm not trying to be exclusionary or elitist, I just honestly don't understand how you ended up choosing AVS as your gaming forum if you're not even slightly interested in this kind of thing. It's kind of hard to say that without coming off as condescending, but I genuinely don't mean it that way. I just can't imagine the reaction someone would get if they posted in the plasma forums something like "enough about black levels and calibration, joe average doesn't care."

No offense taken. But understand while some of us love AVS & the technical advice/conversation.. we still have limits to our own levels of "geek". In other words, I only care about specs & adjustments up to a certain level. Which is exactly why I purchased two MY2013 Panasonic plasmas this year. Specs said they do have better black black levels & a better overall picture than a comparative LCDs.. and its a difference I can definitely spot with my eyes. At that point I've reached my limit however, as the picture now looks good enough that I simply dont' care about bettering it anymore. And will not pay an ISF tech to professionally calibrate it for me.. or purchase my own equipment scientifically correct calibrations.

Essentially I reach a certain point where i'm just satisfied enough with what appears on the screen, that Id would rather spend any time in the future watching the movie or playing the game. Versus watching the pixels & playing with the settings chasing a perfect picture.



I'm the guy who owns a 1968 Camaro. But doesn't care if the numbers match or if the car is all original.
I'm still a car guy. Im just not as serious about my cars as some other car guys are.
Edited by Daekwan - 10/29/13 at 9:47am
post #8858 of 14775
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Sure, but joe average isn't posting here.

Lol I still don't know how some of you guys ended up here. I'm not trying to be exclusionary or elitist, I just honestly don't understand how you ended up choosing AVS as your gaming forum if you're not even slightly interested in this kind of thing. It's kind of hard to say that without coming off as condescending, but I genuinely don't mean it that way. I just can't imagine the reaction someone would get if they posted in the plasma forums something like "enough about black levels and calibration, joe average doesn't care."

LOL, you bring up a good point BD. I get what Daekwan and Little Jeans are saying, and I tend to agree with them. But, at the end of the day, we are in the Audio Video Science Forums....not the Xbox or IGN forums.

Either way, the videos from last night made me doubt for a split second my choice of BF4 on XB1. BF4 multilayer is the main game that I will be playing for at least 1-2 years to come, so I obviously want it to look the best.

I game on a 1080p 50" Samsung Plasma that was calibrated to the best of my ability with one of those calibration DVDs from back in the day. I sit about 10-11 feet from the TV. at the viewing distance I am at, will I even notice a difference?

At the end of the day I just want to play and have fun, I don't plan on pausing the game and counting pixels.... but I want it to look damn good, we have been waiting 8 years for this new gen.
post #8859 of 14775
I've told a bit of a lie and must make a confession.

I have bought the Disney WOW BR disc to calibrate the projector in my basement. But am still waiting on the projector (Epson 5030) to ship.

So I have not opened the disc, nor used it to calibrate any other display in my house. I will definitely use it to calculate the projector and my "dedicated" HT setup.
post #8860 of 14775
I think they are all good points. In the end, while I spend a lot of time getting things dialed in on the audio and video side of things and care a lot about how movies look and music sounds, when it comes to gaming, I just want to have fun. Big differences would cause me to adjust my purchasing decisions (Wii quality vs 360/PS3 though I owned all three) but the differences in graphical qualities between the XO and PS4 are just nits in the end and I highly doubt they will be very noticeable from any sort of normal viewing distance, especially once devs get familiar with both systems. Making judgements on whole systems based on launch games seems rather silly to me as well.

Far more important to me is the fun I have gaming. I like taking shots and drinking beer while talking shlt to my friends online and just having a good time. Xbox live to me is the most awesome thing in the history of gaming and the friends I have there will keep me doing most of my gaming in the xbox environment for years to come.

And I post on this forum because the level of discourse here (mostly) is far more to my liking than anything I would find on neogaf, IGN or anywhere else.
post #8861 of 14775
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Sure, but joe average isn't posting here.

Lol I still don't know how some of you guys ended up here. I'm not trying to be exclusionary or elitist, I just honestly don't understand how you ended up choosing AVS as your gaming forum if you're not even slightly interested in this kind of thing. It's kind of hard to say that without coming off as condescending, but I genuinely don't mean it that way. I just can't imagine the reaction someone would get if they posted in the plasma forums something like "enough about black levels and calibration, joe average doesn't care."

I think most of post in this forum because of the mature conversations that can be had on AVS forums. The is a difference between looking at a good picture on the television and blowing up a hair follicle to see if you can see a difference.
post #8862 of 14775
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Originally Posted by ahartig View Post

LOL, you bring up a good point BD. I get what Daekwan and Little Jeans are saying, and I tend to agree with them. But, at the end of the day, we are in the Audio Video Science Forums....not the Xbox or IGN forums.

Either way, the videos from last night made me doubt for a split second my choice of BF4 on XB1. BF4 multilayer is the main game that I will be playing for at least 1-2 years to come, so I obviously want it to look the best.

I game on a 1080p 50" Samsung Plasma that was calibrated to the best of my ability with one of those calibration DVDs from back in the day. I sit about 10-11 feet from the TV. at the viewing distance I am at, will I even notice a difference?

At the end of the day I just want to play and have fun, I don't plan on pausing the game and counting pixels.... but I want it to look damn good, we have been waiting 8 years for this new gen.

Here are the facts then:

1) BF4 on PS4 is at a higher resolution
2) BF4 on PS4 has better frame rate performance
3) Every outlet that did captures/reviews stated that the PS4 was clearly the superior version

These are all facts. The videos and screen shots that you have seen likely came from Digital Foundry. They've released an official message stating that the capture wasn't correct. The result is the crushed blacks due to RGB Limited versus Full Range.

If you care about the look of the game and consider performance just as important (frame rate), you'll want this on PS4.

That being said, there are other factors that may make you want to pick up the XBO version. Things like controller preference, invested in the Xbox ecosystem, ect. That's fair and fine, but if you put performance in a vacuum, the PS4 is the appropriate choice.
post #8863 of 14775
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Originally Posted by scubasteve2365 View Post

Here are the facts then:

1) BF4 on PS4 is at a higher resolution
2) BF4 on PS4 has better frame rate performance
3) Every outlet that did captures/reviews stated that the PS4 was clearly the superior version

These are all facts. The videos and screen shots that you have seen likely came from Digital Foundry. They've released an official message stating that the capture wasn't correct..

So basically dont believe what my eyes are telling me. Believe the specs?

DF really should just take down their results/video if the capture is misleading. Why even publish something they knew was incorrect.
post #8864 of 14775
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Originally Posted by scubasteve2365 View Post


2) BF4 on PS4 has better frame rate performance

Things like controller preference

I was under the impression both the XBO and PS4 versions were locked at 60 FPS.

I prefer the staggers sticks of the XB1 controller, but I think the DS4 being bigger will help counteract the non-staggered sticks.
post #8865 of 14775
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

Littlejeans.. I didnt know you also speak this alien language.

Since you do. Which one do you think looks better?

I wouldn't put too much faith in "screen shots", too many variables.

I'm an ISF certified video calibrator, and an avid gamer. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on both next gen systems, and see how well they calibrate. I believe that a calibrated gaming setup can enhance your experience. The main issue, is that most gaming studios don't adhere to any video standards. I hope to contact some in the near future, to see what is actually going on behind the scenes.

Here's a couple links.....

My website: primarycalibration.com

My business Facebook page....recently did a calibration using Gunnar glasses: Facebook Page


As far as video calibration, sometimes ignorance is bliss.biggrin.gif
post #8866 of 14775
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Originally Posted by onlysublime View Post

I think many Sony fans are in meltdown, trying to find reasons to slam the Xbox One version. All I've got to say is proof is in the games when the games are out at retail. No more hiding behind conspiracy theories of doctored pictures and videos.

Trying to find reasons.

How about

1) Inferior Resolution
2) Inferior Framerate
3) XBO version did not have AO implemented, once it does, more resources will go to it possibly bringing framerate delta higher.

Or, we can discard the DF sources as they've admitted that the capture isn't valid at this point and use another source

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/46836
post #8867 of 14775
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Originally Posted by ahartig View Post

I was under the impression both the XBO and PS4 versions were locked at 60 FPS.

I prefer the staggers sticks of the XB1 controller, but I think the DS4 being bigger will help counteract the non-staggered sticks.

Nope neither or locked, but according to DF (who is the only capture that can capture 60fps) the PS4 dipped by less of a magnitude and recovered quicker. In Multi-player, where it matters, the delta between XBO and PS4 was as high as 13-15fps and this is with AO enabled in the XBO version. Framerate performance could drop further.

I think that says a lot, IMO. That the PS4 is not drawing a higher resolution but with better frame rate performance.
post #8868 of 14775
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Originally Posted by scubasteve2365 View Post


Or, we can discard the DF sources as they've admitted that the capture isn't valid at this point and use another source

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/46836

Ok, that comparison is what I expected to see based on the specs. The videos were disturbingly bad for all systems.
post #8869 of 14775
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Originally Posted by scubasteve2365 View Post

Here are the facts then:

1) BF4 on PS4 is at a higher resolution
2) BF4 on PS4 has better frame rate performance
3) Every outlet that did captures/reviews stated that the PS4 was clearly the superior version

These are all facts. The videos and screen shots that you have seen likely came from Digital Foundry. They've released an official message stating that the capture wasn't correct. The result is the crushed blacks due to RGB Limited versus Full Range.

If you care about the look of the game and consider performance just as important (frame rate), you'll want this on PS4.

That being said, there are other factors that may make you want to pick up the XBO version. Things like controller preference, invested in the Xbox ecosystem, ect. That's fair and fine, but if you put performance in a vacuum, the PS4 is the appropriate choice.
Facts aside. The most important element is how you control it all and I agree with your controller preference. For me the PS will always fail since the sticks are not in the right spot. Until the PS (pick a system I don't care) gets the sticks like the 360 then no shooters for me on the PS. Then again I'm playing BF4 on the PC, so it is a mute point anyways biggrin.gif Specs are only one part of the equation in my opinion on what you should get a game on. The other thing is where are my friends playing and it is not on the PS either so gaming is just more about specs and frame rates. I was pretty happy with BF4 last night and am looking forward to it tonight. The Map designs are pretty good and Paracel Storm had some of the best weather elements in a level I have seen. It was fun as hell blasting through the waves on a Jet Ski.
post #8870 of 14775
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

No offense taken. But understand while some of us love AVS & the technical advice/conversation.. we still have limits to our own levels of "geek". In other words, I only care about specs & adjustments up to a certain level. Which is exactly why I purchased two MY2013 Panasonic plasmas this year. Specs said they do have better black black levels & a better overall picture than a comparative LCDs.. and its a difference I can definitely spot with my eyes. At that point I've reached my limit however, as the picture now looks good enough that I simply dont' care about bettering it anymore. And will not pay an ISF tech to professionally calibrate it for me.. or purchase my own equipment scientifically correct calibrations.

Essentially I reach a certain point where i'm just satisfied enough with what appears on the screen, that Id would rather spend any time in the future watching the movie or playing the game. Versus watching the pixels & playing with the settings chasing a perfect picture.



I'm the guy who owns a 1968 Camaro. But doesn't care if the numbers match or if the car is all original.
I'm still a car guy. Im just not as serious about my cars as some other car guys are.

Yeah what he said. I ended up on AVS for the audio portion of the forum and was happy to find out that others played COD as much as I did. Do I care if my TV is color accurate, yes. But other than real life I have not reference to what a TV should be calibrated to. I research basic settings that get my set looking good and go from there. I don't even know if we have an ISF tech here in Albuquerque, New Mexico to calibrate my set I watch movies for the audio and entertainment experience. I enjoy playing games on my Xbox not looking to see how bad of a fade job the guy on the left side got saturday morning. However I would have a hard time playing a game that just hade a round dot where a head should be . I think I fall right into the average joe category and I have been visiting the Xbox threads for well over five years now.

Daekwan, Im in the same boat as you, (sort of) I am the guy that owns a "C" code 65 fastback that had nothing special from the factory that I am going to mod however I see fit and the purists on all the Mustang sites I frequent will just have to deal with it. My cousin with his 67 Camaro RS is a numbers matching guy that wants to leave everything stock. We are all still car guys just different tastes and likes.
post #8871 of 14775
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

So basically dont believe what my eyes are telling me. Believe the specs?

DF really should just take down their results/video if the capture is misleading. Why even publish something they knew was incorrect.

I'm sure they will, but the error wasn't on their end, it was on Microsoft's. It was their intention to capture at the highest possible quality, a laudable goal wherever you stand how much video quality matters. The other comparisons are more valid at the moment, even if they weren't executed with the same rigor. It sounds like they were the only ones who brought their own capture gear, and the only ones to know why it should be set to 0-255 for capture.

Hopefully MS fixes this bug ASAP.


But yeah, I get what you're saying. Whatever floats people's boats, I'm cool with. I just don't have to buy you a dozen cookies because a crazy bug made BF4 look better in a single screenshot. tongue.gif

It's too bad you're not around here, I'd calibrate your gear for the fun of it.
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I found the AVS site looking for tips I could use to tweak my AV settings by myself. I don't care enough to pay to have my stuff professionally calibrated. I found the Xbox area here and really like the giant lack of BS on this site.
post #8873 of 14775
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

I'm sure they will, but the error wasn't on their end, it was on Microsoft's. It was their intention to capture at the highest possible quality, a laudable goal wherever you stand how much video quality matters. The other comparisons are more valid at the moment, even if they weren't executed with the same rigor. It sounds like they were the only ones who brought their own capture gear, and the only ones to know why it should be set to 0-255 for capture.

Hopefully MS fixes this bug ASAP.


But yeah, I get what you're saying. Whatever floats people's boats, I'm cool with. I just don't have to buy you a dozen cookies because a crazy bug made BF4 look better in a single screenshot. tongue.gif

It's too bad you're not around here, I'd calibrate your gear for the fun of it.

Where were you a few years back when I was living in Paterson, NJ and working in Manhattan fulltime for almost 5 years. I still work in Manhattan a few times throughout the year. Think it would be strange to hook up a 65" Plasma up on the street and have you make the adjustments?!?! lol

And I forgot our cookie-bet, what was it even over. All I remember is that I love Subway cookies and the macadamia nut & chocolate chip ones from there are awesome!


You're a pretty cool guy BD. Thanks for all the information & knowledge you bring to AVS.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Sure, but joe average isn't posting here.

Lol I still don't know how some of you guys ended up here. I'm not trying to be exclusionary or elitist, I just honestly don't understand how you ended up choosing AVS as your gaming forum if you're not even slightly interested in this kind of thing. It's kind of hard to say that without coming off as condescending, but I genuinely don't mean it that way. I just can't imagine the reaction someone would get if they posted in the plasma forums something like "enough about black levels and calibration, joe average doesn't care."

Never said I wasn't interested. I came to AVS for the audio and video and similar interest in finding people my age to game with. Resolution played a big part in 2005 when the 360 came out. The problem is that sometimes you and others outside of this bubble seem to think this translates into a major loss in sales because one game has a higher res or missing a grass blade equals grossly inferior version or unrealistic expectations of game consoles right now doing everything that a PC that doesn't change or even take advantage of the cards that get released each year. I have been building and playing on PC games for years and enjoy it just as much as my console gaming. I just buy certain types of games or only games that are n the PC. But I mostly game on my console and mostly on Xbox due to Live. If you are so concerned about perfection than PC needs to be your primary system then. But I know without needing a response to what I just said that it is the games that you can't get on PC is why you have the console. But expecting consoles to keep up with PC is a loss cause.

I am at AVS because I enjoy technology. But a console is always going to be a work in progress and as long as it looks good on my displays in each room of the house I am good. I don't need every game to be 1080p. That is the least of my concerns. The primary reason I am here in AVS gaming section is because of the enjoyment of the games and how they looked on our equipment.
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

Where were you a few years back when I was living in Paterson, NJ and working in Manhattan fulltime for almost 5 years. I still work in Manhattan a few times throughout the year. Think it would be strange to hook up a 65" Plasma up on the street and have you make the adjustments?!?! lol

Lol, a little bit...but honestly panny plasmas are usually so good out of the box (with the right menu settings), that you don't need gear to calibrate the greyscale, it's close enough.
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And I forgot our cookie-bet, what was it even over. All I remember is that I love Subway cookies and the macadamia nut & chocolate chip ones from there are awesome!

Lol that if even a single X1 game looks better than its PS4 counterpart, I'll buy you a dozen cookies from subway. I'm a man of my word, 1 down like 10 to go! tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by scubasteve2365 View Post

Here are the facts then:

1) BF4 on PS4 is at a higher resolution
2) BF4 on PS4 has better frame rate performance
3) Every outlet that did captures/reviews stated that the PS4 was clearly the superior version

These are all facts. The videos and screen shots that you have seen likely came from Digital Foundry. They've released an official message stating that the capture wasn't correct. The result is the crushed blacks due to RGB Limited versus Full Range.

If you care about the look of the game and consider performance just as important (frame rate), you'll want this on PS4.

That being said, there are other factors that may make you want to pick up the XBO version. Things like controller preference, invested in the Xbox ecosystem, ect. That's fair and fine, but if you put performance in a vacuum, the PS4 is the appropriate choice.

You left out one of the most important facts which is that they are still optimizing this for the XO and have 3.5 weeks left to do so. I will reserve judgement until we can see a final product.
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

You left out one of the most important facts which is that they are still optimizing this for the XO and have 3.5 weeks left to do so. I will reserve judgement until we can see a final product.

Why would you think they are still working on XBO version and not PS4?

You can't optimize 40% less pixels, no matter what you do.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

I'm sure they will, but the error wasn't on their end, it was on Microsoft's. It was their intention to capture at the highest possible quality, a laudable goal wherever you stand how much video quality matters. The other comparisons are more valid at the moment, even if they weren't executed with the same rigor. It sounds like they were the only ones who brought their own capture gear, and the only ones to know why it should be set to 0-255 for capture.

...

I don't get that it was MS's fault from this unless they switched the XO to 0-255 and the XO still output 16-235. I'm not clear that they are stating that here.

"EA provided Elgato Game Capture HD consumer-level devices at the Stockholm event. They're great little units but they are unsuitable for DF work because they cannot acquire 1080p at 60 frames per second and they do not provide lossless video. The reason they do not show crushed blacks on Xbox One is because they operate at limited range RGB (16-235) and the XO dashes were set accordingly. We are told that the current Xbox One appears to be fine operating in limited range RGB, so this is a good match for the unit. We also know that both PS4 and XO hardware at the EA event was set by default to limited range RGB, so other attendees were good to go straight off the bat while we had to make changes to suit our more specialised equipment."

Also, why should the capture be set to 0-255 levels? For playback it doesn't matter as long as both source and display are set at the same setting.
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

I don't get that it was MS's fault from this unless they switched the XO to 0-255 and the XO still output 16-235. I'm not clear that they are stating that here.

"EA provided Elgato Game Capture HD consumer-level devices at the Stockholm event. They're great little units but they are unsuitable for DF work because they cannot acquire 1080p at 60 frames per second and they do not provide lossless video. The reason they do not show crushed blacks on Xbox One is because they operate at limited range RGB (16-235) and the XO dashes were set accordingly. We are told that the current Xbox One appears to be fine operating in limited range RGB, so this is a good match for the unit. We also know that both PS4 and XO hardware at the EA event was set by default to limited range RGB, so other attendees were good to go straight off the bat while we had to make changes to suit our more specialised equipment."

Also, why should the capture be set to 0-255 levels? For playback it doesn't matter as long as both source and display are set at the same setting.

Yeah, they explicitly said in the original article that they set everything to 0-255 in the dash of each console...it just didn't work properly on the X1.

For capture it's ideal because the pics are going to be posted on a website viewed primarily by devices that are 0-255. It's also the native internal format for games and it's more data overall.

But as you can see by how everyone else's video looks just fine, capturing at 16-235 then expanding to 0-255 after the fact isn't the end of the world. But DF's modus operandi is picking out the details, so obviously they're going to go the extra mile to do it right. I dunno why some people have a bad impression of them, they're clearly a cut above every other big site in this regard.
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Microsoft has had issues with incorrect digital range in the past (which I worked with Richard Leadbetter to expose on the 360, actually), so it's no surprise that something is screwy there. During one of the dashboard betas, we had hundreds of votes for that problem and the "engineers" couldn't grasp it... so they went through and deleted all the complaints from the beta site. I actually used the AVS 709 HD patterns to prove that the 360's output was borked using my calibrated projector and they ultimately fixed it in a dashboard update after that. They also claimed they would fix it in the API for all of the video apps, but some of them were never updated and still look washed out because of the black/white levels being so far off.

So while I'm not nitpicky about minor graphical details and will still prefer the functionality of the Xbox One over the PS4, I am kind of a stickler for audio/video issues. I hope they at least have limited range RGB working at reference by launch. The other issue is really that games aren't done to a reference the way movies are, so there's always variance between games no matter how well calibrated your gear is.

It does look like there's something Darblet-like going on with the Xbox One's scaling, which isn't the worst thing if they use it judiciously. I used to be a big purist where sharpness is concerned, but after trying a Darblet on my rig, I highly recommend it.
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