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Thanks Scooper. I guess I will have to map the channels manually. The frustrating thing is that I am actually paying for both broadcast cable and internet and they are not making it easy to watch broadcast cable despite me paying for that service. On the plus side, the installer pulled the filter from my feed to help boost my signal so I am getting standard cable channels for free. Guess I should not be complaining too much. smile.gif

Anyone know how to set this up with Windows Media Center? I have tried about 10 different signal configurations and it won't pick up the clear QAM channels even though I know my tuner is capable of receiving them since I did it before using OTA. I think it is getting confused because some channels are analog and some are clear QAM.
post #15002 of 15283
My card (a Hauppauge WinHVR1600) has both analog and digital tuners -and it works just fine for both (I use analog to distribute satellite as well ) - even in Media Center.
post #15003 of 15283
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Originally Posted by FrankTheTank2 View Post

Thanks Scooper. I guess I will have to map the channels manually. The frustrating thing is that I am actually paying for both broadcast cable and internet and they are not making it easy to watch broadcast cable despite me paying for that service. On the plus side, the installer pulled the filter from my feed to help boost my signal so I am getting standard cable channels for free. Guess I should not be complaining too much. smile.gif
Anyone know how to set this up with Windows Media Center? I have tried about 10 different signal configurations and it won't pick up the clear QAM channels even though I know my tuner is capable of receiving them since I did it before using OTA. I think it is getting confused because some channels are analog and some are clear QAM.


Over the Air uses ATSC not QAM to encode TV. While most of the current models do both many older models will only do ATSC.

As a side note many of the new tuners have dropped analog (NTSC). I am guessing that analog to digital hardware is more expensive that a fully digital chip set.
post #15004 of 15283
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Originally Posted by bnishida View Post

Over the Air uses ATSC not QAM to encode TV. While most of the current models do both many older models will only do ATSC.
As a side note many of the new tuners have dropped analog (NTSC). I am guessing that analog to digital hardware is more expensive that a fully digital chip set.

Okay. That would probably explain why my tuner on my PC cannot get the HD channels because I don't think it supports clear QAM. I am using WinTV HVR850 and their manual states:
The WinTV-HVR-850 has an ATSC over-the-air digital TV tuner built-in and supports all ATSC formats, up to the high definition 1080i format . The WinTV-HVR-850 will support ATSC broadcasts that are currently being transmitted over-the-air. It will not be able to decode HD broadcasts that come through your cable or satellite box. QAM is not supported.


Bummer but at least I now know why its not working with WMC.
post #15005 of 15283
The WinHVR 950 DOES support ClearQAM, I believe.
post #15006 of 15283
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Originally Posted by Scooper View Post

The WinHVR 950 DOES support ClearQAM, I believe.

I think that's right. I just ordered one today from Amazon so I will report back here once I get it hooked up. Thanks for your help.

PS. Is there an updated list of clear QAM channels for TWC North Carolina market?
post #15007 of 15283
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Originally Posted by FrankTheTank2 View Post

I think that's right. I just ordered one today from Amazon so I will report back here once I get it hooked up. Thanks for your help.
PS. Is there an updated list of clear QAM channels for TWC North Carolina market?


http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/ - enter your zipcode

Here's the link to my zipcode (27596)
http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:27596#lineup_8717774

Do note that I can get WRAL and WRAZ in addition to this link's
post #15008 of 15283
WRAL and WRAZ have reached a deal with Directv.
post #15009 of 15283
Does anyone use a CableCard from TWC? Do all new TVs have the proper slot for it? I just bought a new LG 3D TV and I am hoping it has a slot for the cablecard. I searched the manual for "cablecard" and nothing came up?
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I have cablecards in my TiVo's and they work pretty well. In order to use SDV (which TWC uses extensively), you also need a Tuning Adapter (which I have). Cablecards in TV's are not very common anymore. Im not aware of any TV's that supported Tuning Adapters.
post #15011 of 15283
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Originally Posted by scsiraid View Post

I have cablecards in my TiVo's and they work pretty well. In order to use SDV (which TWC uses extensively), you also need a Tuning Adapter (which I have). Cablecards in TV's are not very common anymore. Im not aware of any TV's that supported Tuning Adapters.

Darn. I was afraid of that. TWC claims you don't need a cable box to watch all the channels under their cheap "Broadcast TV" package but I am finding it near impossible to do so. I still haven't figured out where all the clear QAM channels are yet but my feeling is that some are not all there or our too high for my TV to pickup. My hope was that adding a CableCard to my TV would be a cheap ($3 per month) solution.
post #15012 of 15283
For just the locals, the cablecard would work fine. The 'TA' is only needed for SDV channels.
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Originally Posted by scsiraid View Post

For just the locals, the cablecard would work fine. The 'TA' is only needed for SDV channels.

I am not sure if my new TV has the proper slot for a CableCard. The manual did not have anything listed. I will check it out once it arrives on Friday.

My other option was to pull in the channels through my Xbox as a windows mediac center extender but that is not going over too well with the wife. She wants something simple and to just be able to turn on the TV using the TV remove and actually have TV stations to watch. The nerve! LOL
post #15014 of 15283
I'm pretty sure your new TV won't have a cablecard slot. I don't think any TV manufactured in the last 2 or more years has one. The only cablecard options I know of are Tivo and Windows Media Center tuners.

You should be able to get the HD channels of locals with a basic cable subscription with the "point" or "dash" channel numbers though. For example 5.1 and 5.2 for WRAL in HD and their secondary .2 channel in SD.
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Originally Posted by roybishop View Post

I'm pretty sure your new TV won't have a cablecard slot. I don't think any TV manufactured in the last 2 or more years has one. The only cablecard options I know of are Tivo and Windows Media Center tuners.
You should be able to get the HD channels of locals with a basic cable subscription with the "point" or "dash" channel numbers though. For example 5.1 and 5.2 for WRAL in HD and their secondary .2 channel in SD.

Is X.1 always the HD version? Are there any channels that don't have a point or dash that are in HD? For some reason I think channel 12 on my TV is in HD but it might just look really nice and be in SD. Thanks.
post #15016 of 15283
If you can receive WUNP 36 out of Roanoke Rapids - 36.1 is UNC-EX and 36.2 is the HD UNC
Otherwise - the general rule about x.1 being the HD channel is good.
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TWC's "broadcast cable" package just includes most of the local stations, a few educational and government channels, the CSPANs, and WGN America.

Some of the channels are only available in analog (the -0 channels) and some are available as digital "clear QAM" channels. (Some are available as both) You should be able to just do a channel scan for both CATV (analog cable) and for the digital channels (DTV or CADTV) and the TV should map whatever it finds. Different brands of TV sets have different ways of designating which channels to scan.

 

The clear QAM channels are moved around frequently without any notice, and they can have goofy channel numbers such as 79-6.

 

Bear in mind that TWC does not always carry every subchannel that is available OTA. For instance, I don't think TWC carries the qubo and IonLife subchannels of WRPX.

And WUNC is a bit strange because on TWC it has a subchannel UNC-MX ( a "mix" of programming) that is not available OTA.

 

TWC may have moved a few channels off of clear QAM and into an encrypted setup that requires an adapter, but I think the local stations have to remain clear QAM until TWC completely discontinues analog cable. Then the FCC rules will allow them to encrypt all of the local stations.

post #15018 of 15283

When you scan for the "clear QAM" digital channels, which are usually the local channels that TWC chooses to carry, the way things usually work is that the TV's tuner will decode what the virtual channel number (the channel number that the station uses for marketing purposes) is and display that instead of the goofy QAM channel number. So, using WNCN as an example, 17-1 is the displayed channel number for the main channel (NBC, with most programming in HD), and 17-2 is the AntennaTV channel (in SD). This matches the channel numbers that are displayed if you just use an antenna to receive OTA signals. For most channels, only the -1 channel carries HD programming, although WTVD (ABC 11) has HD on both 11-1 and 11-2.

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Originally Posted by veedon View Post

When you scan for the "clear QAM" digital channels, which are usually the local channels that TWC chooses to carry, the way things usually work is that the TV's tuner will decode what the virtual channel number (the channel number that the station uses for marketing purposes) is and display that instead of the goofy QAM channel number. So, using WNCN as an example, 17-1 is the displayed channel number for the main channel (NBC, with most programming in HD), and 17-2 is the AntennaTV channel (in SD). This matches the channel numbers that are displayed if you just use an antenna to receive OTA signals. For most channels, only the -1 channel carries HD programming, although WTVD (ABC 11) has HD on both 11-1 and 11-2.

Thank you Veedon. My new TV arrives tonight and I can't wait to do a scan and see what I can pickup. The TWC installer said he removed the filter from from my feed (he was messing around up on the telephone pole) so I think I will also be able to get basic cable as well but they may not be in HD.
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I was able to get the TWC Basic TV channel lineup bundled with my Internet service for about a buck more than I was already paying for Internet. I've been OTA-only since August 2008, and even before that I was never a TWC TV subscriber. I was reading earlier posts about DTA boxes, which seem to be what I need to get the HD versions of the channels in the Basic TV lineup (besides locals) if I don't get any full-blown STBs from TWC. Does anyone know who I talk to, or where I have to go, to get a DTA? Anyone know how much extra TWC will charge me each month for the DTA? The TWC rep I worked with told me it was almost $10 for an STB and remote so I figure it has to be less than that. He also didn't know anything about DTAs.

Thanks,
cgreco
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I have TWC's basic cable service directly connected to a Panasonic TV without a STB. I don't have much of a problem with the Clear-QAM HD versions of ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX. HD versions of CW and ION are also available, but I rarely watch them. Occasionally TWC remaps the channels and they don't update the PSIP data right away. When that happens I have to tune to the physical channel like 99.1 instead of the mapped channel like 11.1. Finding the physical channel can be difficult, which is where web sites like
http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels come in handy.
post #15022 of 15283
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Originally Posted by cgreco View Post

I was able to get the TWC Basic TV channel lineup bundled with my Internet service for about a buck more than I was already paying for Internet. I've been OTA-only since August 2008, and even before that I was never a TWC TV subscriber. I was reading earlier posts about DTA boxes, which seem to be what I need to get the HD versions of the channels in the Basic TV lineup (besides locals) if I don't get any full-blown STBs from TWC. Does anyone know who I talk to, or where I have to go, to get a DTA? Anyone know how much extra TWC will charge me each month for the DTA? The TWC rep I worked with told me it was almost $10 for an STB and remote so I figure it has to be less than that. He also didn't know anything about DTAs.
Thanks,
cgreco

I would suggest you do a channel scan first to see what channels you get and what they look like. I am in the same boat as you and I am not using a box. I get about 20 channels in HD (clear QAM) and the rest are standard def. but they look okay and it was not worth paying an extra $10.95 per month for a STB.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/en/residential-home/tv/equipment.html
post #15023 of 15283
I've done some searching through this thread and can't find the info I'm looking for.

Does anyone know the latest/recommended models of the HD DVR's and HD SA's that TWC in Raleigh/Durham is handing out. I've got a 2 year samsung and some older Scientific Atlanta's I'd like to trade in for some newer models.


Thanks!
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Originally Posted by cgreco View Post

I was able to get the TWC Basic TV channel lineup bundled with my Internet service for about a buck more than I was already paying for Internet. I've been OTA-only since August 2008, and even before that I was never a TWC TV subscriber. I was reading earlier posts about DTA boxes, which seem to be what I need to get the HD versions of the channels in the Basic TV lineup (besides locals) if I don't get any full-blown STBs from TWC. Does anyone know who I talk to, or where I have to go, to get a DTA? Anyone know how much extra TWC will charge me each month for the DTA? The TWC rep I worked with told me it was almost $10 for an STB and remote so I figure it has to be less than that. He also didn't know anything about DTAs.

Thanks,
cgreco

 

TWC has been offering free digital adapters to customers who subscribe to either of its two primarily non-digital packages, the broadcast cable package and the basic cable package. (Both packages still include the locals in unencrypted clear QAM.) That's because they have moved a few of the more obscure analog cable channels over to encrypted digital, which cannot be decoded even by a digital set with a QAM tuner.

 

I have heard that the demand for the adapters has been higher than expected, so there might be delays in filling orders.

 

However, I am not sure that the digital versions of the channels that have been moved out of analog are HD channels. They might just be SD digital.

 

To get HD versions of the channels that people think of as the top cable channels, such as ESPN, I'm pretty sure that you have to pony up for the digital cable package, including the set-top box (unless you use a cable card).

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Originally Posted by veedon View Post

TWC has been offering free digital adapters to customers who subscribe to either of its two primarily non-digital packages, the broadcast cable package and the basic cable package. (Both packages still include the locals in unencrypted clear QAM.) That's because they have moved a few of the more obscure analog cable channels over to encrypted digital, which cannot be decoded even by a digital set with a QAM tuner.

I have heard that the demand for the adapters has been higher than expected, so there might be delays in filling orders.

However, I am not sure that the digital versions of the channels that have been moved out of analog are HD channels. They might just be SD digital.

To get HD versions of the channels that people think of as the top cable channels, such as ESPN, I'm pretty sure that you have to pony up for the digital cable package, including the set-top box (unless you use a cable card).

You can get digital adapters if you have higher than analog only tiers. I ordered one in North Texas with having a digital package so yes you can order them. I believe they are offering them to everyone so that they can move the analog tier to digital only pretty quick once the adapters are in place.
post #15026 of 15283
I am picking up several of the Raleigh channels right now, thanks to adding a Winegard AP8700 to my Winegard HD8800 UHF antenna. I have splits to four devices, yet I can still watch these channels at nearly 11 AM.... Pretty sweet setup!
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Originally Posted by veedon View Post

TWC has been offering free digital adapters to customers who subscribe to either of its two primarily non-digital packages, the broadcast cable package and the basic cable package. (Both packages still include the locals in unencrypted clear QAM.) That's because they have moved a few of the more obscure analog cable channels over to encrypted digital, which cannot be decoded even by a digital set with a QAM tuner.

I have heard that the demand for the adapters has been higher than expected, so there might be delays in filling orders.

However, I am not sure that the digital versions of the channels that have been moved out of analog are HD channels. They might just be SD digital.

To get HD versions of the channels that people think of as the top cable channels, such as ESPN, I'm pretty sure that you have to pony up for the digital cable package, including the set-top box (unless you use a cable card).

Actually the way I understand it, the channels were just moved to digital, not encrypted digital. According to Time Warner's digital adapter webpage(http://www.timewarnercable.com/en/residential-home/support/topics/tv/digital-adapters.html) , if you have a QAM tuner you don't need an adapter and will still be able to get the channels for now. (http://www.timewarnercable.com/en/residential-home/support/faqs/faqs-tv/digitalcon/what-if-i-dont-do-anything.html).

Furthermore, the adapters are only SD, so all channels will come through 4:3.(http://www.timewarnercable.com/en/residential-home/support/faqs/faqs-tv/digitalcon/why-does-the-picture-not-fill-.html) They are planning to offer HD digital adapters later this year. (http://www.timewarnercable.com/en/residential-home/support/faqs/faqs-tv/digitalcon/if-i-currently-have-time-warne.html) As of right now, the adapters are only useful for 4:3 TVs.
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Originally Posted by veedon View Post

TWC has been offering free digital adapters ... That's because they have moved a few of the more obscure analog cable channels over to encrypted digital, which cannot be decoded even by a digital set with a QAM tuner.
...

Actually the way I understand it, the channels were just moved to digital, not encrypted digital. According to Time Warner's digital adapter webpage(http://www.timewarnercable.com/en/residential-home/support/topics/tv/digital-adapters.html) , if you have a QAM tuner you don't need an adapter and will still be able to get the channels for now. (http://www.timewarnercable.com/en/residential-home/support/faqs/faqs-tv/digitalcon/what-if-i-dont-do-anything.html).

Furthermore, the adapters are only SD, so all channels will come through 4:3.(http://www.timewarnercable.com/en/residential-home/support/faqs/faqs-tv/digitalcon/why-does-the-picture-not-fill-.html) They are planning to offer HD digital adapters later this year. (http://www.timewarnercable.com/en/residential-home/support/faqs/faqs-tv/digitalcon/if-i-currently-have-time-warne.html) As of right now, the adapters are only useful for 4:3 TVs.

 

 

Well, this news story paints a different picture:

 

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/troubleshooter&id=8920795

 

A snippet: "However, even with a digital tuner on your TV, as a Time Warner customer, you still won't get C-Span, CMT, OWN, VH-1 Classics, Discovery Fitness & Health, Lifetime Movie Network, TruTV and the Golf Channel unless you have a cable box, cable card, or adapter from Time Warner. "

 

It's possible that the fellow has an ATSC tuner but not a QAM tuner in his digital set. But the story sure makes it sound as though TWC has encrypted at least some of the channels that it has moved over from analog to digital.

 

I have the cheapest TWC package available (broadcast cable), but I only watch it when OTA is not giving good reception or when I want to watch News 14 Carolinas or WGN America. Most of the time I prefer to watch the locals OTA rather than dealing with clear QAM. I have not even bothered to see what is available via clear QAM now.

post #15029 of 15283
My parents definitely lost some (not all) channels, and were forced to get the adapter boxes to keep watching them.
post #15030 of 15283
You do get an HDMI cable with the adapter and a few cable channels in HD, along with locals.
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