Originally Posted by mcturkey
It had really turned into a giant mess, with almost no direct relation to the Echo anymore. Most of the last few dozens pages could have been handled in entirely separate threads or PMs. When there's an actual update to the Echo, I've no doubt we'll have a good discussion about it again, but I'm not really surprised the moderator shut it down. It's one thing to go off-topic, but another thing entirely to have it turn into a giant argument over the definition of "abandoned" or its various synonyms.
Well it is hardly surprising that abandonment became an emotionally charged subject. I am sure many who either hitched their wagons to the Echo and Ceton or were waiting along time to safely jump were feeling abandoned. Even if the hardware ever really materialized in a generally useful form how long was that going to be good considering in general Microsoft more than circumspect positioning, not providing anything positive in the way of a roadmap even if it is to end of life on WMC, people would naturally have abandonment issues, how can they not?
Ceton won't talk and what MS has said gives little confidence that peoples investments are protected and they should feel good about hanging in there and investing more. Bickering is a staple when people feel insecure and possibly mislead if not downright conned. Even if Ceton is doing everything to fix all the issues their products throw at users, they are beyond slow.. my PCIe 4 is still pretty much a dog that gives me heartaches every few days.
So one starts to look elsewhere, JRiver, Silicon Dust.... maybe they don't have things worked out either but it is pretty easy to see their effort and some results. With Ceton you just get another troubled product from time to time. And abandonment goes full circle. I know my brother has a new PCIe Ceton that support provided him after an unreal experience. It is on the shelf. He just does not have the heart to add it back into service. He is seriously looking at Comcast X1.