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post #1 of 14
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My cable box has composite hookup and my tv has svideo and component hookup. I want to know if there is a way where i can get better picture quality by going from composite to svideo or composite to component. Remember cable box has composite only hookup Thank You
post #2 of 14
Fairly simple, you need a new cable box if you want a better picture. Since component is the best you mention your TV has, ask your cable company for a cable box with component out. And then, well, use it.
post #3 of 14
Yeah my friend has that goofiness too with his sat service too - sort of; his sat box has s-video but the TV doesn't. And that's all the box they gave him for SD service (a year ago). What a waste of a HDTV (LED), of course it couldn't be HD but he could still get better PQ with component or HDMI. Almost like they're doing it on purpose to make the PQ even worse so the consumer will upgrade. tongue.gif
I'm trying to get him to hook up an antenna so they at least get HD on the locals. Unfortunately they're in a bad location right next to a suburban airport. He once mounted a big roof antenna on the wall of their townhome and it still wasn't that great (HOA BS so can't mount it outside). When they got the sat service the antenna came down and the wife won't have anymore of that hillbilly nonsense on the wall. biggrin.gif

kngpn, there's bound to be converter boxes but I don't know how well they work. My DVD recorders do the conversion for me (composite or s-video). I'd try LiquidSnake's suggestion first. May also find a used substitute box in the used markets, I see cheap and sometimes never or barely used ones on Craigslist all the time (sometimes freebies in the Free section too) but I don't know what will work with which service. I picked up a pair of HD OTA tuners on the cheap and they have built-in cable tuners, one is actually a sat tuner with the other tuners built-in as a bonus.
post #4 of 14
IN the U.S., no used or substitute cable converter box will work (legally). Call the cableco and rent an HD capable box. No other options. Don't buy a "used" cable box from an online source or you'll have a doorstop.
post #5 of 14
Cable companies want you to use their boxes, but it is not illegal to buy your own. Several ATSC tuner boxes also tune QAM, if you have one of these you're good. Of course, you will not have access to video on demand, nor likely to any premium channels like HBO, but it is far from illegal to use a cable box such as this. TiVo and similar devices can be used with a cable card the cable company provides and that usually gives you access to those premium channels. Bootleg cable boxes are likely units that someone never turned in to the cable company, stolen, or reprogrammed boxes used by unscrupulous people to get free cable.


However he gets it though, the OP needs another cable box for a better picture.
post #6 of 14
Some folks said the company just didn't want them back. I'm guessing newer versions came out making their units 'somewhat' obsolete for new service.
post #7 of 14
It's perfectly legal to buy your own cable box. The point is.... it may not work and if it does, it will be bricked by the cableco. IN the US, you have to rent.
post #8 of 14
If you get an ATSC tuner that also tunes QAM? It WILL work. Can it be bricked by the cable company? Not a chance. Several boxes such as this exist. You can use them in the USA. But, I'm not in any way surprised that you believe the contrary. That just shows how well the cable companies have managed to drive disinformation about this to scare and incentivize you to use their boxes at an additional $8 monthly fee.
post #9 of 14
Yes, anyone can purchase/own a clear QAM capable tuner. But, the owner/purchaser must understand that:
1) if you subscribe to a higher tier of service other than "limited basic", the only channels available are typically locals and some local access channels
2) Not all cableco's send local channels unencrypted.

Using any other "digital cable box" will get bricked.

I'm not surprised you don't provide the OP with correct/complete information.
post #10 of 14
I find this a very interesting battle waging on here and hope to know which 'facts' are truly facts wink.gif . But what I find odd is that my newest TV has a built-in QAM tuner, albeit a 2006 model, and didn't some of the last Sony CRTs have QAM tuners with cable card slots? That's about as up to date as I'm familiar with on the subject not having or researching flat panels, etc. (what happened to that 'embarrassed emoticon? biggrin.gif )
post #11 of 14
Not a "battle" in any sense. Just trying to be clear.

TV's may have "clear QAM" tuners built in. Just as any "legal" standalone tuners with a QAM tuner. As stated earlier, they will ONLY receive digital channels that are sent "in the clear" (unencrypted), which are typically local channels only and some local access. And.... that may be area and provider dependant.

Purchasing a used/substitute or "unclaimed" cable box to receive anything but "clear QAM" is not legal and the box will not be useful.

Embarassed? redface.gif
Edited by Ratman - 6/3/13 at 7:33am
post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by Ratman View Post

Yes, anyone can purchase/own a clear QAM capable tuner. But, the owner/purchaser must understand that:
1) if you subscribe to a higher tier of service other than "limited basic", the only channels available are typically locals and some local access channels
2) Not all cableco's send local channels unencrypted.

Is English your second language? Somehow you state absolutes, and when corrected, you want to qualify your absolutes as if they were malleable. Meaning, they are not absolute. For the first point here, "limited basic," or whatever terminology your local cable provider calls it, is still cable. And it is accessible with an ATSC/QAM tuner box. I don't know of any other kind that you can purchase in a store that isn't clear, by the way. You said "Call the cableco and rent an HD capable box. No other options." Now, that is an option. It is not by any stretch of the imagination the only option. If you give this kind of fallacious information on a board that is filled with enthusiasts you invite yourself to be corrected. Just saying that little I would expect you have never heard of TiVo, Moxi before, much less generic QAM. As for the second point, there was a time, very recently ago, when cable companies could not encrypt local channels. It is precisely the kind of obscurity and blind, idiotic trust in cable companies that has allowed them to wrest this enforcement away from the FCC, and it is no longer illegal for cable companies to encrypt local channels. (This happened just last year.) But that does not mean that all cable companies do this, and it does not mean they do it with all local channels either. Typically, they are encrypting high definition channels in an attempt to paywall them. For now. You might be unlucky enough to live near a less scrupulous cable company that just encrypts them all as standard procedure, and considering how you seem to want to tell the world, or the USA, that there are "No other options," the reason that the FCC let cable companies get away with this becomes more clear. Are you perhaps a comcast executive? If you aren't, you've been completely drowned by the ******** that they have pushed across their customers. You might love watching your cable television, but these people are not your friends. At any rate, he has those options, they exist, and they work. Do they work for what he wants? Well he didn't say if he wants HBO specifically. And I suppose you missed the part where I said he needs a new cable box to get a better picture, which is all he is asking about. However he gets it, that is what he needs, a newer (better) cable box with a better connection type.
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Using any other "digital cable box" will get bricked.

I'm not surprised you don't provide the OP with correct/complete information.

Does it actually require any effort on your part to be this stupid or can you not stand saving face when called on your incorrectness/incompleteness? I've already stated everything you have said here, and said it first, and more completely. From your first post you stated "No other options. Options exist, and they are plentiful. Meanwhile, I stated much more precisely the situation with "used" cable boxes. They are typically stolen, left in homes after upgrades (tech didn't take it with them), or reprogrammed boxes that use the same, standard chips that the cable company in question uses, meaning, the things were reprogrammed in an effort to use stolen cable, which is illegal. (Cable theft.) That is about the only thing you've posted and been correct about. And for the record, I've seen bootlegged "digital cable boxes" such as these, not "get bricked" for years on end. One is still going now after five years. And no, I don't deal with reprogrammed cable boxes.
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I find this a very interesting battle waging on here and hope to know which 'facts' are truly facts wink.gif . But what I find odd is that my newest TV has a built-in QAM tuner, albeit a 2006 model, and didn't some of the last Sony CRTs have QAM tuners with cable card slots? That's about as up to date as I'm familiar with on the subject not having or researching flat panels, etc. (what happened to that 'embarrassed emoticon? biggrin.gif )

As stated, cable companies can pretty well encrypt whatever they want to at this point in time, and it is legal for them to do so. This is a case of people not knowing their rights, and therefore not complaining loudly enough (or at all) when they were taken away. (Something that Ratman seems to approve of.) Channel encryption largely prevents the very purpose of QAM, but most cable companies are at least attempting to be diplomatic about it. There are enough condos and shared dwellings that pay fees for basic cable amongst communities to keep QAM operating in some capacity, but now that it is legal for cable companies to encrypt even local channels, they like to close up all of the HD channels when they can. So it is very likely that your QAM TV will not tune channels that you could easily get over the air. Solution there is simple, OTA antenna, but that of course brings its own set of issues. The 34HS420 and the KV40XBR800 that I have, have cable card slots and therefore will tune standard and premiere channels, but I do not know if they have standalone tuners in them. I would think that because they have a slot for cable cards, it would not work without them at all. I just haven't used these TVs in that way to find out as I haven't had the need.
post #13 of 14
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Embarassed? redface.gif

I missed it, redface.gif again.

Carry on the non-battle. biggrin.gif
post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by LiquidSnake View Post

Is English your second language? Somehow you state absolutes, and when corrected, you want to qualify your absolutes as if they were malleable. Meaning, they are not absolute. For the first point here, "limited basic," or whatever terminology your local cable provider calls it, is still cable. And it is accessible with an ATSC/QAM tuner box. I don't know of any other kind that you can purchase in a store that isn't clear, by the way. You said "Call the cableco and rent an HD capable box. No other options." Now, that is an option. It is not by any stretch of the imagination the only option. If you give this kind of fallacious information on a board that is filled with enthusiasts you invite yourself to be corrected. Just saying that little I would expect you have never heard of TiVo, Moxi before, much less generic QAM. As for the second point, there was a time, very recently ago, when cable companies could not encrypt local channels. It is precisely the kind of obscurity and blind, idiotic trust in cable companies that has allowed them to wrest this enforcement away from the FCC, and it is no longer illegal for cable companies to encrypt local channels. (This happened just last year.) But that does not mean that all cable companies do this, and it does not mean they do it with all local channels either. Typically, they are encrypting high definition channels in an attempt to paywall them. For now. You might be unlucky enough to live near a less scrupulous cable company that just encrypts them all as standard procedure, and considering how you seem to want to tell the world, or the USA, that there are "No other options," the reason that the FCC let cable companies get away with this becomes more clear. Are you perhaps a comcast executive? If you aren't, you've been completely drowned by the ******** that they have pushed across their customers. You might love watching your cable television, but these people are not your friends. At any rate, he has those options, they exist, and they work. Do they work for what he wants? Well he didn't say if he wants HBO specifically. And I suppose you missed the part where I said he needs a new cable box to get a better picture, which is all he is asking about. However he gets it, that is what he needs, a newer (better) cable box with a better connection type.
Does it actually require any effort on your part to be this stupid or can you not stand saving face when called on your incorrectness/incompleteness? I've already stated everything you have said here, and said it first, and more completely. From your first post you stated "No other options. Options exist, and they are plentiful. Meanwhile, I stated much more precisely the situation with "used" cable boxes. They are typically stolen, left in homes after upgrades (tech didn't take it with them), or reprogrammed boxes that use the same, standard chips that the cable company in question uses, meaning, the things were reprogrammed in an effort to use stolen cable, which is illegal. (Cable theft.) That is about the only thing you've posted and been correct about. And for the record, I've seen bootlegged "digital cable boxes" such as these, not "get bricked" for years on end. One is still going now after five years. And no, I don't deal with reprogrammed cable boxes.
As stated, cable companies can pretty well encrypt whatever they want to at this point in time, and it is legal for them to do so. This is a case of people not knowing their rights, and therefore not complaining loudly enough (or at all) when they were taken away. (Something that Ratman seems to approve of.) Channel encryption largely prevents the very purpose of QAM, but most cable companies are at least attempting to be diplomatic about it. There are enough condos and shared dwellings that pay fees for basic cable amongst communities to keep QAM operating in some capacity, but now that it is legal for cable companies to encrypt even local channels, they like to close up all of the HD channels when they can. So it is very likely that your QAM TV will not tune channels that you could easily get over the air. Solution there is simple, OTA antenna, but that of course brings its own set of issues. The 34HS420 and the KV40XBR800 that I have, have cable card slots and therefore will tune standard and premiere channels, but I do not know if they have standalone tuners in them. I would think that because they have a slot for cable cards, it would not work without them at all. I just haven't used these TVs in that way to find out as I haven't had the need.


Wow! If you need that much verbiage and vitriol to backpeddle and CYA, that says something. Have fun.
Forget what you stated in post #2? smile.gif
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