The "Official" Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A1030, RX-A2030, RX-A3030 and CX-A5000/MX-A5000 Thread - Page 35
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Fixed frequency points with adjustable Q and slope only makes it ParaGraphic EQ.
Something like ARC is true parametric, MCACC/Audyssey are graphic. Yamaha (originally) was parametric and then they changed to ParaGraphic.
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Well, we're talking about $800 for the V1075, $1300 for the A1030, and $1600 for the A2030. At regular price, yes, the 2030 makes a lot of sense, but given the V1075 is half the price, and almost the same as the A1030, it's at the point of do I really benefit from the extra bells and whistles, or just go and get it and be happy as the extras aren't worth double the price.
And I think $500 for an extra foot and branding and whatever little differences are left, aren't worth it. I don't think there's even $500 worth of parts that could be improved if they were different.
I don't have a unit to test, but the manual reads as if the 2030 is the same as the 2020 and 2010 (and the models before that). I have Receiver Manager for the 2010 and it shows 4 filters for each sub, and each filter can be set to: 31.3, 39.4, 49.6, 62.5, 78.7, 99.2, 125, 157.4, 198.4 or 250Hz. Adjustable, just not in very fine increments. The 2030 manual (p. 119) even states that's the frequency range for the sub (31.3 to 250Hz).
You (and David) seem to be claiming that this year's model has even less capability than last year's. Is that the case?
When you use the web browser setup page (192.168.x.x/setup), under System / Speaker_Preout / Pattern_1 / PEQ / Manual_Data, there should be a drop down list with the supported frequencies for each band of each channel. What do you see for the sub on the 2030?
The only models I have are the RX-V1800 (which has the list of frequencies I mentioned) above, and the 667 which has no sub EQ at all (but it still has a PEQ for the other channels).
Edited by kriktsemaj99 - 12/28/13 at 8:14pm
These are digital filters, not analog, so the frequencies can't be moved "anywhere", they will have discrete steps. If one PEQ has 1Hz steps and another has 10Hz, one is just better than the other but they are both parametic equalizers.
No, that is the same as the 2030 3030 etc.
I found this post in here and if you go down to the last window you will see those same frequency points.
Q is adjustable and gain is adjustable but for centre frequency you can only choose from those 10 EQ points.
Now, say I'm trying to fix my room at the moment...
I have peaks at 46, 56, and 75hz I want to bring down and dips at 50, 67 and 85hz I want to push up.
If I am lucky some of those 10 EQ points will be close to those peaks and dips. In a true PEQ I could put in those exact frequency points.
Yes it can, it's a matter of programming and processing power. Even various dictionaries state clearly that for an EQ to be called PEQ, it needs to have continuous control over frequency, boost/cut and bandwidth.
The famous BFD, probably the most widely used example of a dedicated PEQ, has two knobs that control the centre frequency. But they only let you dial in a set of fixed frequencies (the resolution is better than 1Hz in the subwoofer range, but you're still just picking a frequency from a finite list).
If we go back to what started this discussion, it was a statement by kiwi2 that said "On the sub channel the center frequency is fixed and non adjustable". That implies the EQ on sub channel is different from the other channels and is not adjustable, which is demonstrably incorrect. Not sure why my simple (and correct) response to that post led to this drawn out argument.
Edit. There are some dedicated EQ units like the miniDSP that can give you essentially continuous control (by typing in filter coefficients with very high precision). But I maintain that most implementations will have coarser frequency steps and still deserve to be called a PEQ.
Edited by kriktsemaj99 - 12/29/13 at 9:18am
I play my music from my PC with JRiver 18 and I can type in any center frequency I like with its PEQ. Buying myself a new 2030 and using its PEQ instead would be a step backwards at this point.
The sub channel does appear to be different to the other channels by having the 10 presets.
Yes, any current Yamaha AVR will be a step-down for you when it comes to sub EQ. But there are several good options in the $100 range (e.g. BFD, miniDSP).
Looking at the miniDSP manual, it even has an advanced mode where you can set any values for the filter coefficients. So it looks to have a lot more flexibility than you get with AVR PEQ implementations. For $105 (or less as a kit) it could be worth picking one up just to experiment with.
Edited by kriktsemaj99 - 12/29/13 at 9:08am
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Hope Im not cross posting but hadn't seen this 'Offical' thread for the RX-A series. Got a question regarding DLNA issues Im facing with my new RX-A3030. Thread is here if any other owners care to take a peek: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1508335/yamaha-rx-a3030-dlna-issues-are-you-experiencing-this-too
I do not own one of these yet, but in my research between 1030->3030 the manual only shows that the 1030 supports a single subwoofer. Even though there are two jacks on the back they are using an internal Y cable. Both SW1 and SW2 are set mono and the 1030 does not do any sub eq at all. You need the 2030 or 3030 to configure two different subs and to have sub eq.
Download the manuals from Yamaha's website to confirm. I'm 99% positive that the 1030 only has a single SW channel. The 2030/3030 have two and you can define left/right, front/back, or both mono.
I'm not surprised since the 1030 does not EQ the subwoofer. You need at least the 2030 to EQ the sub. Without an EQ I don't see that it matters that two subs are running a single mono signal.
The 1030 has one sub channel that's split to the two outputs, so calling it .2 is a bit misleading on Yamaha's part. The 2030 and 3030 have two sub channels with independent distance, level, and EQ.
I don't know what your TV box is outputting, but when the source has no dedicated .1 channel you should make sure all your speakers are set as SMALL (with a suitable crossover frequency) so that bass is sent to the sub.