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post #121 of 2316
Thread Starter 
David... when you made the comment about higher end units, I was confusing RSC with Angle Measurement...

That, I believe, is only applicable (i.e. helps) when using the certain DSP decoding modes..
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Enables the angle measurement. The unit will measure angle of each speaker at the listening position and correct the speaker parameters so that CINEMA DSP can create more effective sound fields.

I agree RSC sounds like MCACC's EQ Professional measurement.
post #122 of 2316
Yes, the angle measurement only works when you use DSP HD3 programmes and IF you have most of the presence speakers connected.
post #123 of 2316
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

I agree RSC sounds like MCACC's EQ Professional measurement.

+1
seems like that to me, too smile.gif
post #124 of 2316
Yes, I was referring to the spotify that it's not radio, your downloaded spotify playlists.

I'm sure that it will be able to play spotify radio streams.
post #125 of 2316
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Originally Posted by bwillcox View Post

I'm not following you when you say 'the A5000 cannot do streaming over the ethernet connection'. Certainly it must be doing music streaming for Pandora, Rhapsody, and DLNA. Are you referring just to Spotify here?

Yes, I was referring to the spotify that it's not radio, your downloaded spotify playlists.

I'm sure that it will be able to play spotify radio streams.
post #126 of 2316
I want to be able to listen to streaming music from sites like MOG, Classical Archives, Naxos Music Library, etc, without routing it through my computer. This is a biggie. Do we know for certain if the RX-A3030 or the CX-A5000 will do that?
post #127 of 2316
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by khenyth View Post

I want to be able to listen to streaming music from sites like MOG, Classical Archives, Naxos Music Library, etc, without routing it through my computer. This is a biggie. Do we know for certain if the RX-A3030 or the CX-A5000 will do that?

No.. and I don't think you will find an AVR that does.

I would suggest an Apple TV and iOS product.. then you can use AirPlay to stream from those devices to the Apple TV (if they have supported iOS apps.)
post #128 of 2316
Yamaha receivers include AirPlay, so there's no need to get an AppleTV to stream music from AirPlay capable devices.
post #129 of 2316
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

Yamaha receivers include AirPlay, so there's no need to get an AppleTV to stream music from AirPlay capable devices.

I forgot you can directly stream to the AVR... thanks for the correction.
Edited by FilmMixer - 7/7/13 at 10:04am
post #130 of 2316
Does anyone know if it is possible to stream Spotify thru 2020 or 2030? Thx
post #131 of 2316
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Originally Posted by GlockFan View Post

Does anyone know if it is possible to stream Spotify thru 2020 or 2030? Thx

No.
post #132 of 2316
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Originally Posted by SoundChex View Post

YPAO™ R.S.C. (Reflected Sound Control) Sound Optimization with Speaker Angle Measurement

YPAO analyzes room acoustics and performs speaker angle measurements, then calibrates audio parameters to achieve optimum sound at any of several listening positions. It employs Reflected Sound Control to correct early reflections for studio-quality sound. It also provides DSP Effect Normalization, which varies the CINEMA DSP parameters according to the reflected sounds.



<< from CX-A5000 features webpage >>

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OK, so the early reflections part is like Audyssey's time domain freq response adjustment. Anyone know any details about how/if YPAO R.S.C. deals with subwoofers, room nodes, etc?

I.e., is YPAO R.S.C. in the same league as XT32, ARC, etc?
post #133 of 2316
Thread Starter 
Looks like all the AVRs are now available. smile.gif

And it looks like I might be the first A3030 owner on here. cool.gif

Should have it Tuesday....
Edited by FilmMixer - 7/9/13 at 8:47pm
post #134 of 2316
Nice going, Marc! Install it right away and tell us how it is. smile.gif
post #135 of 2316
ahh FINALLY seperates from Yammy.

Been dreaming about this for years :-) - Ever since I heard the DSP A1 perform - with those extra presense/heigh channels.... so much better than any other receive at the time. Good old Laserdisc days :-)
post #136 of 2316
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Originally Posted by Kevin C Brown View Post

OK, so the early reflections part is like Audyssey's time domain freq response adjustment. Anyone know any details about how/if YPAO R.S.C. deals with subwoofers, room nodes, etc?

I.e., is YPAO R.S.C. in the same league as XT32, ARC, etc?

No, Yamaha RSC only deals with reducing reverberation. In terms of dealing with room nodes, sub standing wave, the Yamaha does not do that. Only Pioneer MCACC, XT32 and ARC, Lyngdorf, Antimode do that. The best of them all is ARC, then Antimode, then XT32 being as effective as Advanced MCACC.
post #137 of 2316
^^
+1

from that Yamaha marketing diagram, to me it strongly suggests that YPAO RSC is going to work similarly to how Pioneer does "reverb compensation". basically use the tones to determine the time in milliseconds from the initial pulse that the amplitude of each EQ'r freq band reaches its maximum dB amplitude and flattens in strength, then delays the measurement point to that time point in milliseconds. the assumption is that the reflected sounds will be arriving at same time as direct sounds after that amount of delay & not still building in volume (giving a false measurement).

and I would agree, not same as how Audyssey says their system works.

but it is a diagram so until someone comes up with technical details from Yamaha, like Pioneer's MCACC PC software directions with graphic examples, it's conjecture wink.gif

I don't believe Yamaha suddenly redesigned YPAO wink.gif RSC is just an enhancement on the same YPAO parametric equalizer, like Pioneer's reverb compensation has been for MCACC.
post #138 of 2316
^^^^ it may just be aconjencture on my part but that's what was told to me by my contact at Yamaha Japan. Although I've known them for more than a decade the language barrier still persists. biggrin.gif
post #139 of 2316
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

^^^^ it may just be aconjencture on my part but that's what was told to me by my contact at Yamaha Japan. Although I've known them for more than a decade the language barrier still persists. biggrin.gif

so are you agreeing that it works in a similar or same way as Pioneer's & not Audyssey? confused.gif
post #140 of 2316
Yes, it works like Pioneer and completely NOT like ARC/XT
post #141 of 2316
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

No, Yamaha RSC only deals with reducing reverberation. In terms of dealing with room nodes, sub standing wave, the Yamaha does not do that.

IMO, that is a mistake for a $3k SSP. So then you'd have to add something like the Antimode or AS-EQ1. More cost.
post #142 of 2316
^ Precisely. Not accounting for 35hz on down is simply unacceptable in a $3k pre pro, circa 2013.


James
post #143 of 2316
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Until HDMi 2.0 , Dolby Atmos, DTS Multi-Dimensional Audio is not available, I am not changing my pre/pro
I totaly agree.
Owner of a DSP-Z11 (10.2 speakers conf.) for 5 years, I will only change it for a real new yamaha flagship A/V amplifier that supports HDMI 2.0 with real 4k 50/60p support and new audio formats. In between I'm using Quick 6 HDMI switcher to drive my Sony VPL-VW1000ES projector for 3D and 4K support.
John
post #144 of 2316
+2. I'm always interested in the new AVRs and PREPROS but the 2.0/displayport thing is just too big a hurdle to ignore. It will be interesting to see how/if this affects the flagship and higher end models this year. I would bet there are much more than 3 of us, lol. tongue.gif

James
post #145 of 2316
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Until HDMi 2.0 , Dolby Atmos, DTS Multi-Dimensional Audio is not available, I am not changing my pre/pro I want transformational changes not incremental inovations.

I agree too, but Yamaha have resisted licensing new audio technologies in the last few years. They would probably have no choice if a new format became popular, but unfortunately it's not a given that they will immediately adopt anything new that comes along.

Also the MX-A5000 amp looks pretty wimpy. It weights almost 20lbs less than a Z11 and probably doesn't have much more power. It's almost as if Yamaha just split the 3030 into two parts (pre-pro and amp) and priced it 3x as much. Inside I bet you'd see that if you opened them up.
Edited by kriktsemaj99 - 7/11/13 at 10:46am
post #146 of 2316
If you guys are waiting for MDA (Dolby Atmos, etc) in home for consumer use..... get ready to sit around not having it for a very long time.
post #147 of 2316
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Originally Posted by CharlieU View Post

I have to agree with you James. People with decent systems that are less than 5 years old are not going to get much value for a whole lot more money. Times have changed though and with the economy picking up, more people have the spare cash to pay their asking price. It's not greed as some have said, it's what the market will bear. We'll find out what it's truly worth when it comes out and we can see what dealers can actually sell them for. While this may not be our cup of tea, for those looking to expand their home theater with more speakers, or starting out in the world of separates, this looks like a prepro worth considering. Whatever your thoughts are on DACs, Sabre DACs are good parts and more than likely anyone that buys this prepro won't be disappointed in the sound. It looks like it has enough features to make anyone happy. I have to agree with those disappointed with the lack of XLRs for the subs though. While we sit on the sidelines and wait for our world changing prepro to appear, I think it's best to leave this thread to those anxiously awaiting its arrival.

I think you have to wait to see what the "street " price is before you make a value judgement

Arguably the hottest receiver right now in terms of 'buzz" is the Denon 4520....people are paying up to $1000 less than retail ...in the pre/pro world its the marantz 8801...which I was considering to replace my Onkyo 5508 pre/pro
I got a quote for $800 off retail
I do think D&M uses inflated MSRP's that may not even be close to street price...historical point...4310 and 4311 sold for no where near MSRP

I think the Yamaha pre/pro will have a street price slightly below the Marantz 8801

Dont use MSRP as a litmus test

I have owned an A3000, A2000( both sold) and now a A2010. All bought from an authorized dealer and I didnt pay anywhere near retail...in fact a couple of those were displays bought at about 1/3 of MSRP

I am curious about this pre/pro. I like the sound and durability of yamaha....sans a freak HDMI board failure in a Z7 a few years ago I have had zero issues


Warren
Edited by turnne1 - 7/11/13 at 1:06pm
post #148 of 2316
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

I agree too, but Yamaha have resisted licensing new audio technologies in the last few years. They would probably have no choice if a new format became popular, but unfortunately it's not a given that they will immediately adopt anything new that comes along.

Also the MX-A5000 amp looks pretty wimpy. It weights almost 20lbs less than a Z11 and probably doesn't have much more power. It's almost as if Yamaha just split the 3030 into two parts (pre-pro and amp) and priced it 3x as much. Inside I bet you'd see that if you opened them up.

I thought the same thing....an 11 channel amp at 56 lbs?

My 200x5 Sherbourn amp weighs in at 85lbs...the Rotel I was considering at the time did as well

Also... separate amp ratings with only 2 channels driven?


Warren
post #149 of 2316
Unfortunately for us Canadians, the MSRP tend to be higher with much less discount. frown.gif
post #150 of 2316
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

I thought the same thing....an 11 channel amp at 56 lbs?

My 200x5 Sherbourn amp weighs in at 85lbs...the Rotel I was considering at the time did as well

Also... separate amp ratings with only 2 channels driven?


Warren

Looking at the topography, running all 11 channels driven full-spectrum, may not yield more than 65 W/ch, if we're lucky.
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