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post #781 of 2266
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Originally Posted by TKO1 View Post

Hey Jim,

no, sorry. Looking at it from a pure technical point of view the Oppo would have a better SNR going straight to an amplifier than going through the CX-A5000 as its analog circuitry is higher quality due to the better DACs and the way they are configured. Whether or not that is noticeable is another story. From my brief listening experiences with the Yamaha, without even attempting to use YPAO or the PEQ, I haven't even bothered to hook up the analog RCAs from my Oppo, as the CX-A5000 sounds so good. I will be hooking up the XLRs though, maybe this weekend, to see how the balanced approach works. The THD and the SNR specs for the CX-A5000 are excellent and I believe are worst-case specifications. I believe they will test better than that. The Oppo BDP-105, according to these Audioholic measurements are off-the-charts excellent. The THD for the Oppo measured .005 and the THD for the CX-A5000 is .008 or less! The SNR for the CX-A5000 is 112dB or more! If you check out the excellent article from Dr. Rich at Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity: Audio Video Receiver Build Quality - Part 1 you can see where the Yamaha would likely be placed in comparison to others. The top DACS in the chart are what is in the Oppo BDP-105.

Cheers.

Tony

Do you know if the Yamaha has a better analog volume control?

I am fairly sure that my Marantz AV8801 digitizes the XLR inputs because it can do LFE+Main processing to send a copy of the main bass to the sub. This feature is not available for the 7.1 analog inputs. I do prefer the 7.1 analog inputs from the BDP-105 and this might be the reason.

It is always difficult to know what the processors are actually doing. If processing is available on the XLR input they can be digitized.
The question is, in Pure Direct do they remain in unprocessed, remaining entirely analog.

- Rich
Edited by RichB - 11/4/13 at 4:03pm
post #782 of 2266
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Originally Posted by TKO1 View Post

I posted my reasons for choosing the CX-A5000 here

They both sound like great pieces of gear so make a decision based on what is most important for you.

Cheers.

Thanks very much for your reply. I just looked at your prior post. I am not sure I understand the quote from the article that you cite (and I'll have to check it out) - does that mean that the 8801 has the same chip as a cheap receiver and the CX-A5000 has a higher quality chip?
post #783 of 2266
Hi,

it means that the SNR ratio for direct/pure direct mode is limited by the quality of this chip as Dr. Rich states and not the DACs. This is an area where companies, Yamaha included, can cut costs and complexity. The article is really worth reading a few times as you will see some interesting information about the DACs and the circuitry in a lot of the top of the line AVRs that he talked about.

The Yamaha Z11, Z9 etc. didn't use that type of circuitry/chip and since the CX-A5000 is built on their topology the literature and brochures for the A5000 suggest that this would not be the case.

Now whether or not you can actually hear that difference is another story. The Marantz may do other things that ensure that that chip is given a pristine signal to work with.

Cheers.
post #784 of 2266
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

Do you know if the Yamaha has a better analog volume control?

I am fairly sure that my Marantz AV8801 digitizes the XLR inputs because it can do LFE+Main processing to send a copy of the main bass to the sub. This feature is not available for the 7.1 analog inputs. I do prefer the 7.1 analog inputs from the BDP-105 and this might be the reason.

It is always difficult to know what the processors are actually doing. If processing is available on the XLR input they can be digitized.
The question is, in Pure Direct do they remain in unprocessed, remaining entirely analog.

- Rich
j

Rich,

The older Yamahas had a different volume control which they talk about in their literature. Since the CX-A5000 is built around that foundation I would imagine that would be the case.

I think the 7.1 analog in would also bypass everything but the volume control even if it is not digitized.

If you were to take the Oppo straight to the amplifier you would have the best SNR possible as this is highlighted in Dr. Rich's article, i.e. the fact that no AVR currently uses the top of the line SABRE ESS DAC (the Oppo does).

Cheers.
post #785 of 2266
Does the new Krell Foundation have the 9018 DACs? If so, don't understand why it does not do DSD if I understood correctly.
post #786 of 2266
As pReviously noted, Yamaha has lowered the voltage on the sub output from previous models, would I run into problems if I put a Y splitter from the 2 outs on the receiver to a single cable to another Y at the sub? Would this increase the voltage to the sub?
post #787 of 2266
Try a single cable from one sub output first, it works for most people.

If you find the signal is too low (e.g. the sub is not turning on automatically), you can try a Y connector the other way around from what you described. i.e. a single output from the receiver split to both L and R inputs on the sub. With most subs this boosts the signal.
post #788 of 2266
I do have a y adaptor right now at the sub, I was just curious if the 2 outs mated into 1 from the receiver would boost the signal
post #789 of 2266
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Originally Posted by Redoryx View Post

I do have a y adaptor right now at the sub, I was just curious if the 2 outs mated into 1 from the receiver would boost the signal
Why are you trying to boost the signal?
post #790 of 2266
Great deal
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post #791 of 2266
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

The functional differences between the A1030, 2030, 3030 and CX-A5000 are rather trivial.

I went to the effort to post almost all of them in my first post.

A difference that may temp me to get the 2030 over a 1030 is PEQ of the subwoofer channel and the ability to set subs for left and right as opposed to just mono. (if I understand this correctly?)

Is the practical use of those extra features worthwhile? What have users of 2030/3030 found while experimenting with those settings?

(Has this been talked about here before?)
post #792 of 2266
Happy to have added a RX-A3030 to my system....

Only thing that I have not sorted out is the codes for Yamaha RC to operate the other bits of gear that I have..

From the list which Yamaha provide I can only find two codes which work.

So..
Q. other than buying an expensive Universal RC what other options are there..? Any android apps to do the job (samsung note2)..?

Q. where if anywhere can I get the codes for the below bits of gear which Yamaha do not list..?

Denon DCD-1015
Pioneer DVR-630H
Netgear EVA9000
Humax iCord HD+
WDTV LIVE

Thanks for any and all advice.
cheers
CD
post #793 of 2266
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Originally Posted by doobre View Post

Happy to have added a RX-A3030 to my system....

Only thing that I have not sorted out is the codes for Yamaha RC to operate the other bits of gear that I have..

From the list which Yamaha provide I can only find two codes which work.

So..
Q. other than buying an expensive Universal RC what other options are there..? Any android apps to do the job (samsung note2)..?

Q. where if anywhere can I get the codes for the below bits of gear which Yamaha do not list..?

Denon DCD-1015
Pioneer DVR-630H
Netgear EVA9000
Humax iCord HD+
WDTV LIVE

Thanks for any and all advice.
cheers
CD

Since the 3030's remote is claimed to be a 'learning' remote (though I haven't tried learning any commands with mine as I use a Harmony Touch instead) have you tried to learn the commands you need? If so, did it not work for you?
post #794 of 2266
Hi bwillcox
Sorry I forgot to mention that when I do go thru the learning process it will not work and display "NG" = no good..!

Interesting thing is, that my last Yamaha was an RX-V2090 which also had a learning remote and it had no trouble learning and using the same codes that I am try to get the 3030 RC to remember..

Unless there is something wrong with me, I think that there is something wrong with the remote..

Q regards the harmony touch you use.. does it have any trouble getting the right codes for your gear..? would you recommend it..?

cheers
CD
post #795 of 2266
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Originally Posted by doobre View Post

Hi bwillcox
Sorry I forgot to mention that when I do go thru the learning process it will not work and display "NG" = no good..!

Interesting thing is, that my last Yamaha was an RX-V2090 which also had a learning remote and it had no trouble learning and using the same codes that I am try to get the 3030 RC to remember..

Unless there is something wrong with me, I think that there is something wrong with the remote..

Q regards the harmony touch you use.. does it have any trouble getting the right codes for your gear..? would you recommend it..?

cheers
CD

So far I've not had any problem learning commands with my Harmony Touch. I haven't learned lots of them, though. Overall, I'm reasonably happy with the Touch. Its main pluses is that It is easy to program and fits in the hand pretty well. This is compared to my Pronto TSU9600 that I LOVE (but is very hard to get anymore since they quit selling them) that is much more flexible, though you do pay for that flexibility in greater programming difficulty. I use the Pronto with my main theater system that has lots of devices and is running a CX-A5000.

I also own a few Harmony Ones that I actually prefer due to the fact that they have more hard buttons. I do like the size and feel of the Touch, just not the gesture part (but then I don't like that on my smart phone either). So, bottom line is that I would recommend it, esp. if you like your smart phone interface. smile.gif
post #796 of 2266
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Originally Posted by bwillcox View Post

Does anyone know why the firmware level of the CX-A5000 is behind that of the RX-A2030 and RX-A3030? I own all three of these products and my RX-Ax030 models are at firmware level 1.22 (they've both been updated since I received them) but the CX-A5000 hasn't had an update and its currently at level 1.05. I've noticed some interface/operational differences between the CX and RX units and prefer the operation of the RX units in handling the Net functions in particular.

I've thought that perhaps Yamaha is waiting till it's ready to roll out Spotify support before updating the CX-A5000, but since I've not seen any schedule or date for when that might happen I thought I'd ask here.

Why do you own all three, so many rooms? Why not try other brands like Marantz, Integra?

So is the RXA3030 as good as the CXA5000
post #797 of 2266
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Originally Posted by TKO1 View Post

j. Rich,

The older Yamahas had a different volume control which they talk about in their literature. Since the CX-A5000 is built around that foundation I would imagine that would be the case.

I think the 7.1 analog in would also bypass everything but the volume control even if it is not digitized.

If you were to take the Oppo straight to the amplifier you would have the best SNR possible as this is highlighted in Dr. Rich's article, i.e. the fact that no AVR currently uses the top of the line SABRE ESS DAC (the Oppo does).

Cheers.

With the right room and a good amplifier Oppo is the way to go smile.gif you can plug- in
- an APPLE TV
- a computer for superb resolution music
- a hard drive also for music

So unless you need room correction software forget the Pre/Pro
post #798 of 2266
Is the CX5000 fully differential balanced design and balanced inputs and outputs? If not is the Marantz fully balanced design?
post #799 of 2266
A friend just gave me his yamaha CX-A5000 to demo against my marantz AV8801. The yamaha is not as good for music it sounds a bit too bright.
post #800 of 2266
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Originally Posted by nucky View Post

A friend just gave me his yamaha CX-A5000 to demo against my marantz AV8801. The yamaha is not as good for music it sounds a bit too bright.

could you elaborate on your findings??
post #801 of 2266

Hi all,

 

I am using the RXA3030 and just started to stream FLAC files to the Yamaha, and I noticed that I hear occasional click/pops. I thought it might be PC latency or network issues. I then copied the file to a USB stick, and play it directly on the RXA3030, I still hear the clicks/pops, but less often.

 

I have also tested the same FLAC file using MediaMonkey via HDMI to Yamaha, all clean, no clicks/pops.

 

Anyone has faced this problem with RXA3030? 

Any suggestions what to check next would be great?

 

 

Cheers.

 

Update: I used flac.exe to decode the file to WAV, copied to USB drive, and played the WAV file directly on the RXA3030, the clicks/pops are there. Hmm....could it be the source then?....


Edited by boxerfan88 - 11/9/13 at 6:35am
post #802 of 2266
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Originally Posted by boxerfan88 View Post

Hi all,

I am using the RXA3030 and just started to stream FLAC files to the Yamaha, and I noticed that I hear occasional click/pops. I thought it might be PC latency or network issues. I then copied the file to a USB stick, and play it directly on the RXA3030, I still hear the clicks/pops, but less often.

I have also tested the same FLAC file using MediaMonkey via HDMI to Yamaha, all clean, no clicks/pops.

Anyone has faced this problem with RXA3030? 
Any suggestions what to check next would be great?


Cheers.

Update: I used flac.exe to decode the file to WAV, copied to USB drive, and played the WAV file directly on the RXA3030, the clicks/pops are there. Hmm....could it be the source then?....

If you've done all those steps and it's still there, yes it's the source.
Try some other music to see if it's still present.
Most all of my collection is FLAC and it tends to be the cleanest source for me.
post #803 of 2266
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Why do you own all three, so many rooms? Why not try other brands like Marantz, Integra?

So is the RXA3030 as good as the CXA5000

Actually, I have 6 rooms in which I have multi-channel AV systems. Three of them have Yamaha receivers (RX-A3030, RX-A2030, & RX-A1030), two of them have Onkyo TX-NR515s, and one has a Yamaha CX-A5000.

As for why...well it's a long story and I don't want to bore you with it. eek.gif

Over the years I have tried other brands (not Marantz, but a number of others). I have mostly settled on Yamaha and have primarily used their AVRs for the last 15 years now. I like the way they work, I've not had any trouble with them, and I prefer their DSP surround settings (I've been a surround sound junky since the early '70s when Quad was in Vogue).

The Onkyo's are something of an anomaly, but they were pretty cheap (got them on sale at Fry's), are working fine, and I use them in the garage and kitchen so they aren't too critical (I never listen critically in either location).

Bob
post #804 of 2266
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Originally Posted by bwillcox View Post

Actually, I have 6 rooms in which I have multi-channel AV systems. Three of them have Yamaha receivers (RX-A3030, RX-A2030, & RX-A1030), two of them have Onkyo TX-NR515s, and one has a Yamaha CX-A5000.

As for why...well it's a long story and I don't want to bore you with it. eek.gif

Over the years I have tried other brands (not Marantz, but a number of others). I have mostly settled on Yamaha and have primarily used their AVRs for the last 15 years now. I like the way they work, I've not had any trouble with them, and I prefer their DSP surround settings (I've been a surround sound junky since the early '70s when Quad was in Vogue).

Bob

So many set - up do you have an 11.2 system with all the speakers, pictures please biggrin.gif

Bob please tell us the Story
post #805 of 2266
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Originally Posted by nucky View Post

A friend just gave me his yamaha CX-A5000 to demo against my marantz AV8801. The yamaha is not as good for music it sounds a bit too bright.

It's only as bright as you want it to be, it depends how you set it up. If YPAO made it too bright for your taste then choose a different setting (Natural instead of Flat) or adjust the EQ.
post #806 of 2266
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

It's only as bright as you want it to be, it depends how you set it up. If YPAO made it too bright for your taste then choose a different setting (Natural instead of Flat) or adjust the EQ.
Yes we did that, We just didn't like it definitely not as musical.
post #807 of 2266
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Originally Posted by nucky View Post

Yes we did that, We just didn't like it definitely not as musical.

What exactly does "not as musical" equate to? I always have a hard time with adjectives like this in that it suggests the Marantz (or other product) modifies the frequency response to be more pleasing to the listener's ear. I think you just don't like the cold clinical precision of the Yamaha which for me is my preference. ;-)

Cheers.
post #808 of 2266
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Originally Posted by TKO1 View Post

What exactly does "not as musical" equate to? I always have a hard time with adjectives like this in that it suggests the Marantz (or other product) modifies the frequency response to be more pleasing to the listener's ear. I think you just don't like the cold clinical precision of the Yamaha which for me is my preference. ;-)

Cheers.
You are correct that's exactly what I don't like.
post #809 of 2266
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

So many set - up do you have an 11.2 system with all the speakers, pictures please biggrin.gif

Bob please tell us the Story

Well, I don't have any pictures (sorry), but two of the systems are 11.2. My living room 'theater' system with the CX-A5000 and in my den with the RX-A3030 where I'm using a Emotiva mini-X a-100 amp for the rear presence channels since the 3030 only has 9 channels of amplification. The others are 9.1, 7.1, and a couple of 5.1 channel systems. I honestly don't recommend anyone doing this (even me) as maintaining them is something of a nuisance and when I upgrade one there's this compulsion to then upgrade the others as well (as I did recently after getting the CX-A5000). rolleyes.gif

As for the story, I'll just say that years ago after my wife moved out of the house I started to notice that quite a few rooms in the house didn't have a quality audio system in them (the house was built in the mid '70s with an intercom system that she liked but was anything but high quality sound). So, I began to 'fix' that. Coupled with my obsession (some would say) for toys, I gradually installed audio only systems in the places that I found I spent time. Eventually, as multi-channel sound became more popular, audio only receivers gave way to audio/video receivers, and flat panel TVs and monitors (I have found that PC monitors are great for places where you don't need really big screens) became available and affordable, my audio only systems transformed into audio video systems.
post #810 of 2266
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Originally Posted by bwillcox View Post

Well, I don't have any pictures (sorry), but two of the systems are 11.2. My living room 'theater' system with the CX-A5000 and in my den with the RX-A3030 where I'm using a Emotiva mini-X a-100 amp for the rear presence channels since the 3030 only has 9 channels of amplification. The others are 9.1, 7.1, and a couple of 5.1 channel systems. I honestly don't recommend anyone doing this (even me) as maintaining them is something of a nuisance and when I upgrade one there's this compulsion to then upgrade the others as well (as I did recently after getting the CX-A5000). rolleyes.gif

As for the story, I'll just say that years ago after my wife moved out of the house I started to notice that quite a few rooms in the house didn't have a quality audio system in them (the house was built in the mid '70s with an intercom system that she liked but was anything but high quality sound). So, I began to 'fix' that. Coupled with my obsession (some would say) for toys, I gradually installed audio only systems in the places that I found I spent time. Eventually, as multi-channel sound became more popular, audio only receivers gave way to audio/video receivers, and flat panel TVs and monitors (I have found that PC monitors are great for places where you don't need really big screens) became available and affordable, my audio only systems transformed into audio video systems.

Whoa boys with toys, I feel naked wink.gif

So does the CX-5000 and RX-A3030 sound similar?
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