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@DanF

Yes, I tried plugging the stb into different ports, no go.
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Originally Posted by mrTr0ut View Post

@DanF

Yes, I tried plugging the stb into different ports, no go.
Try turning off your tv. Disconnect all hdmi cables connected to your tv. Unplug your tv from the power outlet...wait a minute or two. While it's off, connect your stb's hdmi cable into one of your tv's non-audio functioning hdmi inputs. Plug your tv back in for power, and turn your tv back on....test the audio from hdmi2 or hdmi3 (whatever input you chose for your stb)...
post #1563 of 5624
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Originally Posted by todd95008 View Post



So what we have here is Samsung resorting to trickery and deception to get such good numbers (with very dark content) but they are not that great with real content.



Todd

I'd disagree Todd. I don't think there's 'deception' when so many owners, coming from displays like the Sharp Elite, Kuro etc., are finding black levels excellent with real-world material. I would describe the black levels as 'visually excellent' with virtually any kind of material. Granted the blacks are not as black as my Sharp Elite, but they're very very good. A TV picture by itself is 'trickery', so I don't see the relevance of that word when it comes to electronic imagery. smile.gif

As for anyone seeing serious 'black crush', you just don't have a properly adjusted display.
post #1564 of 5624
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Originally Posted by jae3cpamd View Post

I recently purchased the 64 inch F8500 plasma from Cruitchfield. I must say that I am very dissipointed with it. While the black levele is improved its at the expense of color and brightness in my opinion. The picture looks dull to me and too much like the Panasonic plasmas. Im going to return it and wait for the Sony or Sansung 4k tvs to fall some more in price!

Sounds like plasmas in general are not for you. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

Try turning off your tv. Disconnect all hdmi cables connected to your tv. Unplug your tv from the power outlet...wait a minute or two. While it's off, connect your stb's hdmi cable into one of your tv's non-audio functioning hdmi inputs. Plug your tv back in for power, and turn your tv back on....test the audio from hdmi2 or hdmi3 (whatever input you chose for your stb)...

Unfortunately, that didn't help
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I'd disagree Todd. I don't think there's 'deception' when so many owners, coming from displays like the Sharp Elite, Kuro etc., are finding black levels excellent with real-world material. I would describe the black levels as 'visually excellent' with virtually any kind of material. Granted the blacks are not as black as my Sharp Elite, but they're very very good. A TV picture by itself is 'trickery', so I don't see the relevance of that word when it comes to electronic imagery. smile.gif

As for anyone seeing serious 'black crush', you just don't have a properly adjusted display.

My take from the data Ken - which is very interesting by the way - is that it demonstrates the floating blacks that some have said they've seen with the 8500 while others have claimed don't exist after the earlier firmware upgrade. Curious to learn more about this because I have my eye on a 51" 8500 to replace a XBR9 upstairs to which I have reached the end of my rope with in regards to clouding. Hoping the prices drop a little as the year progresses - until then I will just go downstairs and enjoy the uniformity that plasma delivers.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I'd disagree Todd. I don't think there's 'deception' when so many owners, coming from displays like the Sharp Elite, Kuro etc., are finding black levels excellent with real-world material. I would describe the black levels as 'visually excellent' with virtually any kind of material. Granted the blacks are not as black as my Sharp Elite, but they're very very good. A TV picture by itself is 'trickery', so I don't see the relevance of that word when it comes to electronic imagery. smile.gif

As for anyone seeing serious 'black crush', you just don't have a properly adjusted display.
I am one of the happy campers having switched from VT60 to the F8500. I haven't professionally calibrated the set but I hadn't done that with my VT60 either - just used slight variations of settings posted by many in both the sets. I mainly switched because of the fan noise on the VT60 but now I am glad I had a chance to check out the F8500 at my home and l just love this set. I don't watch TV in total darkness so don't know the comparison in that kind of viewing setup. But with some amount of ambient lighting I pretty much don't miss much of the "blackness", but with some lighting to bright daytime viewing the F8500 shines big time especially with the whites and hence the contrast of the whites to blacks. The colors pop out more and also in general I see more details on the picture on the f8500 compared to the VT60. All this with no fan noise or no perceivable IR issues (I didn't have any IR issues with my VT60 either).
I ended up paying a little bit more on the F8500 compared to VT60 but it was worth every penny of the extra money that I spent.
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I'd disagree Todd. I don't think there's 'deception' when so many owners, coming from displays like the Sharp Elite, Kuro etc., are finding black levels excellent with real-world material. I would describe the black levels as 'visually excellent' with virtually any kind of material. Granted the blacks are not as black as my Sharp Elite, but they're very very good. A TV picture by itself is 'trickery', so I don't see the relevance of that word when it comes to electronic imagery. smile.gif

As for anyone seeing serious 'black crush', you just don't have a properly adjusted display.

My take from the data Ken - which is very interesting by the way - is that it demonstrates the floating blacks that some have said they've seen with the 8500 while others have claimed don't exist after the earlier firmware upgrade. Curious to learn more about this because I have my eye on a 51" 8500 to replace a XBR9 upstairs to which I have reached the end of my rope with in regards to clouding. Hoping the prices drop a little as the year progresses - until then I will just go downstairs and enjoy the uniformity that plasma delivers.
Unfortunately yes, my 64F8500 does have floating blacks. Really only noticeable in a dark room (little to no other light). For folks viewing in a bat cave, the Panny's might be the ticket. For folks viewing in mixed conditions, this set is pretty impressive with good blacks and class beating whites.

I don't know if it was 1111.4, or some of the settings in the avr that i changed, but I'm having much less issue with the odd motion stutter now. The only remaining issue is 3D brightness pops with Cinema Smooth Off.


Max
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For everyone commenting on my data, please keep in mind that this is 51 inch panel of less than a month vintage.
From measurements that others have made I would say the larger panels perform better Vs this 51".
My biggest complaint is that with "Smart Apps" and streaming content, the Black optimizer is always off.
You can also see from my data that with this 51" version the B.O. does make a difference !!
I have a second ROKU 3 box on the way which solves this issue ....

Todd
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jae3cpamd View Post

I recently purchased the 64 inch F8500 plasma from Cruitchfield. I must say that I am very dissipointed with it. While the black levele is improved its at the expense of color and brightness in my opinion. The picture looks dull to me and too much like the Panasonic plasmas. Im going to return it and wait for the Sony or Sansung 4k tvs to fall some more in price!

this sounds like some settings need to be changed? or the eco sensor is on? what i have experienced with this set is most definitely not dull, no lack of brightness, no lack of color pop, whatsoever. in fact, in dynamic mode its too bright and too lcd like for me.
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Honestly, you're remarks are just so far off of everyone else's Todd that it makes me think you may have some kind of defective panel. I mean, when you say it lacks "brightness" that right there is a red flag something is wrong w/ your set. This tv is known for it's almost LED levels of brightness and by far and away smokes all other plasma's in this regard. I'm with the above post, maybe eco sensor is on or you may need to do the eco sensor trick. In fact, I think that may just be it, as your comments sound the same as those people who needed to do the trick to get the panel's brightness right. But you should see all those same posters AFTER they did the trick and how they rave. I think you either have a bad set or are one of the handful that needs to do the eco sensor trick to get your panel working right.
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What are some movies that really bring out the best in this tv?...as far as my sound issue, I'm using the warranty to get a new main board. so would that require the tv to have to be calibrated again?
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Originally Posted by shpankey View Post

Honestly, you're remarks are just so far off of everyone else's Todd that it makes me think you may have some kind of defective panel. I mean, when you say it lacks "brightness" that right there is a red flag something is wrong w/ your set.

If you are talking about my 51" panel and my data, I have never said it "lacks brightness".
I think you have me confused with something/someone else ???

Todd
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Unfortunately yes, my 64F8500 does have floating blacks. Really only noticeable in a dark room (little to no other light). For folks viewing in a bat cave, the Panny's might be the ticket. For folks viewing in mixed conditions, this set is pretty impressive with good blacks and class beating whites.

I don't know if it was 1111.4, or some of the settings in the avr that i changed, but I'm having much less issue with the odd motion stutter now. The only remaining issue is 3D brightness pops with Cinema Smooth Off.


Max

I've noticed the motion stutter is gone, too. Not sure when it was fixed, but glad it was.
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I searched thread but didn't quite find an answer.

Everything is run through my receiver: 1 HDMI from TV to AVR, PS3 to AVR, DirecTV to AVR. Audio works great when on PS# or DirecTV.

Used Smart Hub features for the first time today and I have no audio. If I keep DirecTV box on I get its audio; if I turn it off I get zero audio from any Smart TV features. Obviously TV speaker is turned off so all audio outputs via my AVR and speakers but is there something else I can set to get the Smart TV audio?

Thanks a lot.
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I have an issue with my 64F8500. I updated to current firmware 1111. Twice today while watching TV the picture cut out twice and the screen went black for a few seconds before coming back . The HDMI banner at the top appeared also when the picture turned back on. I did a factory reset after this and am waiting to see if this happens again. Using HDMI 3 into a Brand new Yamaha receiver. My DVR and blu ray are hooked up the receiver via HDMI. I also reseated the HDMI cable. Any owners of this set ever experience this?

Thanks
Edited by floridaman - 9/7/13 at 7:49pm
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think so,I'm coming from a 64D8000 and what a difference two years makes!!! Fantastic TV! kUH9
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Originally Posted by floridaman View Post

I have an issue with my 64F8500. I updated to current firmware 1111. Twice today while watching TV the picture cut out twice and the screen went black for a few seconds before coming back . The HDMI banner at the top appeared also when the picture turned back on. I did a factory reset after this and am waiting to see if this happens again. Using HDMI 3 into a Brand new Yamaha receiver. My DVR and blu ray are hooked up the receiver via HDMI. I also reseated the HDMI cable. Any owners of this set ever experience this?

Thanks

Yup. I've had this behavior with DirecTV since I've had the set. When I first turn on the display, I get a picture, but then within 10 seconds the picture blanks out for a second and then reappears with the HDMI input displaying at the top right for another second or two. It does this only once and never repeats during a viewing session.

This has never concerned me since I get exactly the same behavior from my Sharp Elite when watching DirecTV. I've always attributed it to an HDMI handshake quirk of the DirecTV receivers.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Yup. I've had this behavior with DirecTV since I've had the set. When I first turn on the display, I get a picture, but then within 10 seconds the picture blanks out for a second and then reappears with the HDMI input displaying at the top right for another second or two. It does this only once and never repeats during a viewing session.

This has never concerned me since I get exactly the same behavior from my Sharp Elite when watching DirecTV. I've always attributed it to an HDMI handshake quirk of the DirecTV receivers.
My issue didn't start until the 1111 update. When the picture blanks out it is 5 minutes after turning the set on. It isn't consistent however. Sometimes the picture doesn't blank out but when it does it is around 5 minutes after turning the set on and then no issue after that.
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Originally Posted by esswun View Post

I searched thread but didn't quite find an answer.

Everything is run through my receiver: 1 HDMI from TV to AVR, PS3 to AVR, DirecTV to AVR. Audio works great when on PS# or DirecTV.

Used Smart Hub features for the first time today and I have no audio. If I keep DirecTV box on I get its audio; if I turn it off I get zero audio from any Smart TV features. Obviously TV speaker is turned off so all audio outputs via my AVR and speakers but is there something else I can set to get the Smart TV audio?

Thanks a lot.
esswun, you're using the wrong hdmi input on your tv to send audio to your avr. The only hdmi connector that will transmit audio on your tv is hdmi 3. This is the one with ARC (audio return channel) functionality. You'll need to read your avr/tv manuals to properly set up the ARC functionality. Because ARC tends to be really buggy with various avr models, others have opted to use the 8500's optical audio output to stream audio to their avrs.
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Originally Posted by floridaman View Post

My issue didn't start until the 1111 update. When the picture blanks out it is 5 minutes after turning the set on. It isn't consistent however. Sometimes the picture doesn't blank out but when it does it is around 5 minutes after turning the set on and then no issue after that.

When it blanks out, is it for a second or so?
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

When it blanks out, is it for a second or so?
I would say it blanks out for about 5 seconds.
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Thanks, Dan I'll try HDMI 3 then!
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So I just pulled the trigger on a Samsung PN60F8500 for my apartment. This is my first TV purchase ever, so I am pretty excited!!! Gets Delivered on Thursday.

Being my first TV, I do have some questions....especially after reading these threads for a few days.

Break-In:
Should I do it?
Where do i get slides/WOW/Pixel flipper/etc.? Only thing I can find that still downloads is DNices Panny Slides, but those seem to be panny specific.
What settings do i use for Break-In?

Calibration
I was going to calibrate using the settings provided by some people on here, any reason to pay for an ISF Calibration?

Anything else i need to do?
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Bioshock Infinite on this Plasma

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I bought the 60F8500 to replace the Panasonic VT60 but I'm not getting any audio from the TV using HDMI pass through from my receiver (Denon 3312). Can somebody help? I've never had this issue before, not on the VT60 and my older LCD that this plasma replaced. Thank you.

My set up is as follow:

Fios set top box connect to hdmi1 on receiver.
Receiver connect to hdmi 3 on tv.
HDMI pass through is enabled on the receiver and is set to hdmi 1.

I can get the picture, but no audio for some reason. Many thanks in advance.
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Originally Posted by rojkai View Post

I bought the 60F8500 to replace the Panasonic VT60 but I'm not getting any audio from the TV using HDMI pass through from my receiver (Denon 3312). Can somebody help? I've never had this issue before, not on the VT60 and my older LCD that this plasma replaced. Thank you.

My set up is as follow:

Fios set top box connect to hdmi1 on receiver.
Receiver connect to hdmi 3 on tv.
HDMI pass through is enabled on the receiver and is set to hdmi 1.

I can get the picture, but no audio for some reason. Many thanks in advance.

Have u tried hDMI 1 on the TV? HDMI 3 has ARC which shouldn't pose issues, but might as well try another Input just to make sure
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Originally Posted by Nitrobass24 View Post

So I just pulled the trigger on a Samsung PN60F8500 for my apartment. This is my first TV purchase ever, so I am pretty excited!!! Gets Delivered on Thursday.

Being my first TV, I do have some questions....especially after reading these threads for a few days.

Break-In:
Should I do it?
Where do i get slides/WOW/Pixel flipper/etc.? Only thing I can find that still downloads is DNices Panny Slides, but those seem to be panny specific.
What settings do i use for Break-In?

If you're going to get it calibrated, yes I'd break it in. I'm a firm believer in aging the panel helping stubborn IR over time as well, because my D7000 had that happen.

The WOW disc has the Pixel flipper, so if you want it, you need the disc.

I used slides that have 120 colors/images on them. Don't know where to find them anymore. I just started with low settings and increased them over time with every 40 hours or so, just for the hell of it.

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Calibration
I was going to calibrate using the settings provided by some people on here, any reason to pay for an ISF Calibration?

Other than the settings not properly matching up for your TV, I can't really think of any other reason why you would want to pay for ISF Calibration. wink.gif
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No luck on either HDMI on the TV. Tried a different source as the standby source and still no luck.
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Originally Posted by rojkai View Post

No luck on either HDMI on the TV. Tried a different source as the standby source and still no luck.
Rojkai, just to narrow down where your problem is, try bypassing your denon avr and connect your directv hdmi output into your tv's hdmi 1 input. You should be getting sound out of your tv's speakers. If you are, then the problem is somewhere in your avr's settings..
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