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Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post

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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

Doug I know this is of no relief. But what he is talking about is being below Resident Ambient Noise level which is 40 db.
Some others that may be of interest to you are :
Avg Conversation 65DB
Quiet Whisper at 5 Feet 25DB
Where did he take his read ? Right against the TV or out a ways. If it was close to the TV 41DB may be acceptable , but if it was 10 ft away not acceptable in my lifetime. This is where I would go with the conversation. Also remember those SPL meter's pick up DB reading from everywhere, Cars, AC Units, Refrigerators, all kinds of things.
I also Love the Bluetooth Keyboard.

Tech's SPL reading of 41 db was taken 11 to 12 feet away in a dead silent house in the country, away from roads or neighbours. The room is very quite & absorbent - rugs, large sofas etc

I was pretty stressed when he said "within Samsung specs" I forgot to ask what is their upper db limit 60? 70? 80? ...

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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

A surround system totally negates any buzzing. A speaker ei ther side of where you sit and it's not an issue wink.gif

rolleyes.gif MEH! - I have an 11.1 properly set up speaker config- which of course does bugger all for buzz negation mad.gif
Unfortunately, because ~40db is common for average household 'quiet' noise levels due to HVAC noise, refrigerators etc., a 41db reading at your MLP may be considered 'acceptable' to Samsung.

What you need to do is get an SPL meter of your own and measure the ambient noise levels with the TV Off vs On at the MLP as well as 3-6" away from the front of the TV.
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

SPL Level Drops about 3DB per meter of distance from SPL meter to source. I changed my estimate, but with the sound asorbption material in the room I bet it is close to 55DB at the TV. If he got a 41 db reading from 12 feet.
Actually, SPL losses are about 6db for every doubling of distance.

If this holds true, the SPL levels right in front of the TV could potentially be as high as 71db.


Max
Edited by djbluemax1 - 9/19/13 at 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

The DD limitations over the 8500's optical output have been misunderstood by quite a few 8500 owners. The 8500 cannot output DD (5.1) audio out its optical cable when the source is from an hdmi cable. DD (5.1) audio is available via optical if the source is an ota antenna, the tv's smarthub, or usb.

This is a limitation set by the nature of the protected path of HDMI aka DRM.
The same limitation affects all TV's with SPDIF out.
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

This is a limitation set by the nature of the protected path of HDMI aka DRM.
The same limitation affects all TV's with SPDIF out.
Perhaps that should read all "new" tvs and Im not even certain about that. It is only recently that you cannot get 5.1 from an external source on many of these tvs. I have a 2009 LG that I can get 5.1 from external sources via optical.
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^Specifically HDMI to optical 5.1?

/edit: After a quick look around, it appears that there are indeed some TV's that allow HDMI to SPDIF 5.1 passthrough, apologies.
It's strange that they don't honor the DRM requirement. I suppose as it's not 'HD' audio, they may have let it slip through the net.
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

^Specifically HDMI to optical 5.1?
Yes sir. I used to have a non HDMI AVR and had no problems watching cable tv, etc in 5.1 via the optical in my LG. When I got my 2012 tv I had to get an HDMI AVR.
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

^Specifically HDMI to optical 5.1?

/edit: After a quick look around, it appears that there are indeed some TV's that allow HDMI to SPDIF 5.1 passthrough, apologies.
It's strange that they don't honor the DRM requirement. I suppose as it's not 'HD' audio, they may have let it slip through the net.
Yeah, I read those other DRM discussions on other forums a few months back. Another term used is HDCP (High Density-Bandwidth Content Protection). Apparently, Sony tv's have no limitations via spdif.
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

Yeah, I read those other DRM discussions on other forums a few months back. Another term used is HDCP (High Density-Bandwidth Content Protection). Apparently, Sony tv's have no limitations via spdif.
Sorry if this is getting a bit off topic but if you are certain about those Sonys Id like to know. No one seems to know the reason for all this but the general consensus seems to be that the change was some sort of Federal Copyright law. If Sony is not affected then that would blow that theory.
Can you point me to some definitive info?
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^ Bond. Sorry. I don't remember the sites, but I'm having doubts about my above statement with regards to "all" sony tv's. I remember seeing a list of tv's capable of 5.1 optical output via hdmi and the majority of them were Sony's, but there were some LG's, Vizios, and some older Samsungs on the list too. I remember one discussion talking about going into the tv's service menu of an LG and changing a setting to enable 5.1 optical.
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

^ Bond. Sorry. I don't remember the sites, but I'm having doubts about my above statement with regards to "all" sony tv's. I remember seeing a list of tv's capable of 5.1 optical output via hdmi and the majority of them were Sony's, but there were some LG's, Vizios, and some older Samsungs on the list too. I remember one discussion talking about going into the tv's service menu of an LG and changing a setting to enable 5.1 optical.
Thank you, sir.
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Originally Posted by endlessender View Post

Installed 1112, unplugged TV for a few minutes, and still have brightness pops all over 3D content. It's easy to miss if you aren't looking for it (i.e. looking at backgrounds as opposed to focus element). I was hopeful when some of you said they were gone for you. The only way they disappear for me is killing the contrast or enabling Cinema Smooth.
If you are still experiencing this problem I ask that you please stay on Samsung about it. Only through a higher ratio of customer complaints will they actually do something about it. They seem to think they've already fixed it - but they haven't. Owner's need to let them know.

For those that don't' see pops in 3D anymore...any idea what could be different from those of us that still see them?

I finally got a call from Tier 2 tech after pressing the issue via another email and Samsung set me up with a local tech to come look at my tech. This is the second time I've been through this with them.
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I appreciate the clarification, makes more sense that it's a DRM limitation rather than a technological one since it's a DD 5.1 bitstream on both ends. I have the workaround of routing the optical straight from the device to my AVR so it's not a huge loss, was just trying to cut down on the cabling.

Still have a bit more tinkering to do but amazed at the quality of this. There was no way to get size/performance from a panel the last time I was shopping (switching from a HL-T6189s DLP) and the shadow detail in particular on this is just outstanding. Much thanks for all the information.
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I am also having totally unacceptable buzzing problems.

If I sit on my couch in the center of the screen, about 12 feet away, I hear extremely annoying buzz that I can distinguish over almost any show/movie/game unless the volume is way louder than I would ever normally use. Browsing SmartHub, or during anything quiet, the buzz is so loud and annoying that I will deliberately switch seats to one on the far left or right to avoid hearing it. If I stand up from my normal couch position, the buzz is completely gone. I can't hear it anywhere else in the room either. In fact, it is quieter when putting my head directly behind the TV than it is 12ft away on the couch.

Do you guys recommend exchanging this or should I give up on this unit and go with Panasonic plasma or LED? I really like this TV other than the buzzing, but it is becoming intolerable for me. All of my guests have heard it too when I told them where to sit.

The only other problem I have with this TV is some sort of flickering when there is a large region of white on the screen. This reminds of an old CRT monitor with the refresh rate set too low (which no one else ever seemed to notice); I can't really describe it, but I think people will know what I am talking about. None of the motion judder settings alleviate this.
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Originally Posted by jmilacek View Post

I am also having totally unacceptable buzzing problems.

If I sit on my couch in the center of the screen, about 12 feet away, I hear extremely annoying buzz that I can distinguish over almost any show/movie/game unless the volume is way louder than I would ever normally use. Browsing SmartHub, or during anything quiet, the buzz is so loud and annoying that I will deliberately switch seats to one on the far left or right to avoid hearing it. If I stand up from my normal couch position, the buzz is completely gone. I can't hear it anywhere else in the room either. In fact, it is quieter when putting my head directly behind the TV than it is 12ft away on the couch.

Do you guys recommend exchanging this or should I give up on this unit and go with Panasonic plasma or LED? I really like this TV other than the buzzing, but it is becoming intolerable for me. All of my guests have heard it too when I told them where to sit.

The only other problem I have with this TV is some sort of flickering when there is a large region of white on the screen. This reminds of an old CRT monitor with the refresh rate set too low (which no one else ever seemed to notice); I can't really describe it, but I think people will know what I am talking about. None of the motion judder settings alleviate this.

If you read my previous posts & the responses about my issue - you will see the action (or rather inaction) from Samsung regarding this issue...

The internet has forums discussing this plasma Buzz issue -known by Samsung since 2009 model years
- is this now very common buzz issue on these sets, what recently drove the sudden $800 drop in these sets' prices????
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My fear is that over time, as some have reported, the buzz gets louder

I am in a position to dump this (angry beehive) set for a Panny & am strongly considering doing so...
The dealer's next shipment is in another 2-3 weeks (just within the 30 day window)

According to some reviews, certain Panasonic models (arguably) exceed or minimally exceed the pic quality of this set, but cost more to much more.
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^ The VT and ZT pannys also have the potential for fan noise (ST has no fan), so you must decide on the lesser of two evils.
Edited by DanF8500 - 9/20/13 at 9:48am
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The only other problem I have with this TV is some sort of flickering when there is a large region of white on the screen. This reminds of an old CRT monitor with the refresh rate set too low (which no one else ever seemed to notice); I can't really describe it, but I think people will know what I am talking about. None of the motion judder settings alleviate this.[/quote]

I'm not sure if it's exactly the same issue, but some people on the board (myself included) saw flickering on white screen when the cell light was at 16. I'm not sure if the issue was fixed with firmware updates. You may want to try turn up or down the cell light setting.
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

^ The VT and ZT pannys also have fan noise (ST has no fan), so you must decide on the lesser of two evils.
Some do and some dont. That would be the equivalent of saying that all Samsungs buzz.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Some do and some dont. That would be the equivalent of saying that all Samsungs buzz.
This is my personal opinion...I believe all plasma tv's buzz to varying degrees (some more/less than others). No plasmas are dead silent....it's part of their design. What's also a variable is a person's sensitivity to the "buzz" frequency. Some people are more/less sensitive to buzz frequency.
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

This is my personal opinion...I believe all plasma tv's buzz to varying degrees (some more/less than others). No plasmas are dead silent....it's part of their design. What's also a variable is a person's sensitivity to the "buzz" frequency. Some people are more/less sensitive to buzz frequency.
I agree. You could say almost the exact same thing about fans. They all make some noise. But I dont think its fair to assume that the buzzing or fans will always present a problem.
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^ Okay. I agree with that too. Fans and plasma buzzing have the "potential" to present an audible problem...
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The advent of this thermal design by Panasonic creates a louder and more distracting scenario than the typical plasma buzz, IMO (typical being that which I've experienced with Pioneer and now Panasonic panels).
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

The advent of this thermal design by Panasonic creates a louder and more distracting scenario than the typical plasma buzz, IMO (typical being that which I've experienced with Pioneer and now Panasonic panels).
I have no idea what this means.
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Meaning the typical buzzing found in a plasma (I agree with the contention that they all do it to varying degrees) is less bothersome than the fan/air noise on the VT/ZT product line. I would say the same for any buzzing phenomenon that can be heard at a typical seating distance.
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Hi guys,

Been lurking on here for a number of years now but I'm finally posting with a few questions. My Sony KDS-60A2000 had its optical block go bad recently so I upgraded to an F8500. I will receive it on Sunday and wanted to be as prepared as possible for its arrival. I have researched quite extensively on plasma, analysis to paralysis is typical for me unfortunately, so I am aware of slides and break in. However I haven't seen a whole lot of discussion on running slides with this specific set? Is it unnecessary? I don't have any immediate plans to get it professionally calibrated, if that makes any difference, I just want to give it the best chance to perform as well as possible otherwise. If you guys are running slides where can I find them? I have seen settings for running slides but not the actual download. Second, what kind of power protection do you all use? I never really worried much about it at my previous residence but my new residence is a bit older and I often see light dimming etc. when the fridge kicks on. I just worry about protecting this brand new TV as well as new home theater components. Any input would be much appreciated! I look forward to getting this wonderful set into my living room smile.gif
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http://www.avsforum.com/t/1466472/2013-panasonic-settings-issues-thread

This is where you find the slides if you decide to use them.
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I'm coming from a 64D8000 and what a difference two years makes!!! Fantastic TV!! 22.gif
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Originally Posted by grant3d View Post

Hi guys,

Been lurking on here for a number of years now but I'm finally posting with a few questions. My Sony KDS-60A2000 had its optical block go bad recently so I upgraded to an F8500. I will receive it on Sunday and wanted to be as prepared as possible for its arrival. I have researched quite extensively on plasma, analysis to paralysis is typical for me unfortunately, so I am aware of slides and break in. However I haven't seen a whole lot of discussion on running slides with this specific set? Is it unnecessary? I don't have any immediate plans to get it professionally calibrated, if that makes any difference, I just want to give it the best chance to perform as well as possible otherwise. If you guys are running slides where can I find them? I have seen settings for running slides but not the actual download. Second, what kind of power protection do you all use? I never really worried much about it at my previous residence but my new residence is a bit older and I often see light dimming etc. when the fridge kicks on. I just worry about protecting this brand new TV as well as new home theater components. Any input would be much appreciated! I look forward to getting this wonderful set into my living room smile.gif
Running slides is a choice and there has not been independent testing done to prove it works or if it does not. I run as normal myself, filling the whole screen where possible and avoiding still images or logo's the first 100 hours.
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Originally Posted by crabnebula View Post

Tried searching but couldn't find anything.

Can anyone tell me whether this TV has the capability to record OTA HDTV to external USB storage like a DVR?

My understanding is that many Samsung Smart TVs have this functionality, but it is disabled in North American models. Is that still true with the F8500? If so, can the DVR functionality be enabled in the service menu?

Thanks for any insights!
Same question.
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Running slides is a choice and there has not been independent testing done to prove it works or if it does not. I run as normal myself, filling the whole screen where possible and avoiding still images or logo's the first 100 hours.

Thanks for the replies guys. I have the slides downloaded and ready to go. Maybe ill do normal viewing and slides over night to accelerate the panel aging for awhile. It's going to be tough because honestly all I want to do is fire up GTA5 as soon as I get it smile.gif BTW did you guys have any recommendations on power protection?
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Originally Posted by grant3d View Post

Thanks for the replies guys. I have the slides downloaded and ready to go. Maybe ill do normal viewing and slides over night to accelerate the panel aging for awhile. It's going to be tough because honestly all I want to do is fire up GTA5 as soon as I get it smile.gif BTW did you guys have any recommendations on power protection?
Just a good quality surge protector.
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Protector-Coaxial-Telephone-Protection/dp/B0042W52D2/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1379846180&sr=1-3&keywords=surge+protector

This is a good one. 3000 Joules and has coax and telephone protection. 6ft cord. Its a good brand and has some good features at a resonable price and has good reviews.
Edited by Bond 007 - 9/22/13 at 3:44am
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

This is my personal opinion...I believe all plasma tv's buzz to varying degrees (some more/less than others). No plasmas are dead silent....it's part of their design. What's also a variable is a person's sensitivity to the "buzz" frequency. Some people are more/less sensitive to buzz frequency.

The ~5 year old 50" Samsung Series 5 plasma this F8500 replaced had absolutely no buzz at all....

But there is no comparison between the PQ of the 2 sets! But is still no justification for this angry beehive issue....
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