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The is a .PDF on the Samsung Firmware page with a "How To" for USB & network updating
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Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post

The is a .PDF on the Samsung Firmware page with a "How To" for USB & network updating

I'm guessing you are referring to the US version? Unfortunately, this does not seem to be the case on the the homepage for Samsung Sweden.
post #1773 of 5732
Yes, the US site, but (I think) you can get it via this link.

I'm certain you can get it from here.

Hmm. Accesses from ziggo.nl (Netherlands) and pp.htv.fi (Finland) but not from Sweden? It would seem that Samsung does not wish to translate the document? Since the dialect of the internet is definitely English, it seems strange that European countries cannot access this PDF - IMHO...
Edited by WantsNWarrants - 9/29/13 at 11:23am
post #1774 of 5732
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Originally Posted by floridaman View Post

The $800 discount ended 3 weeks ago.

not so... rolleyes.gif

as I correctly stated - the $800 price drop still on - here is 1 example... http://www.sonxplus.com/en/catalog/product/146226-Samsung-PN60F8500?searchterm=pn60f8500
post #1775 of 5732
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Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post

It most certainly is someone else's returned TV - they sold you shares in a bridge

My dealer/friend has 2 employees that also work part time shiftwork at FS & BB - he asked & they said no that has never been done at either of their stores.
He said that also never happened at the chain of 19 stores he owns

I guess BB & FS are getting way too many returns of this set (buzzers)

Don't forget - this PNxxF8500 series just recently & suddenly dropped $800 in price...

EDIT: 12 changed to 19 stores

UPDATE:

Didn't get the exchange set - the owner tested the in-store "replacement" set again & can still hear the buzz from 10-11ft away when program content drops to dialog levels.

He said no point exchanging mine for another beehive - he is in contact with Samsung now...I will update when this is resolved

BTW surprised Samsung posted my review on their site http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/tv-video/tv/plasma/PN60F8500AFXZC-reviews/consumer-reviews
post #1776 of 5732
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Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post

not so... rolleyes.gif

as I correctly stated - the $800 price drop still on - here is 1 example... http://www.sonxplus.com/en/catalog/product/146226-Samsung-PN60F8500?searchterm=pn60f8500
Canada and the US probably have different deals at different times.
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^ Plus in Canada, we get royally ripped off with higher prices anyway. An $800 discount for us, would probably put things in line with the US non-sale price lol.

We shouldn't really compare both in a monetary way.
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It is nice being so close to the border for us, for those who import goods smile.gif
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Cleveland Plasma, do you guys ship to Canada?
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Originally Posted by Supermans View Post

agreed

Thanks very much for the settings! I'll have to disagree about it being imperceptible though. Having played GTAV on other TV's for quite awhile, I had a lot of trouble with the input lag trying to drive on normal settings. Setting it to PC helped quite a bit and I think I would declare it livable in this mode.

I'm still trying to decide on the buzzing on this set. I know there has been a lot of discussion. I'm not sure if its just my room setup or what but the buzz from straight on is not OK. I have the TV sitting in the corner facing another corner and straight viewing in that corner is really bad. It's like a fly buzzing in my ear. Even just to either side I can hear it in my ear with normal programming. Perhaps its just the corner amplifying it but I can't be sure. I think I might try to experiment with some sound absorbing foam in the corner behind the TV and see if it improves. Otherwise I dont know what I'm going to do. I have until the end of the week to decide before the BB return period is up. My alternatives are trying the VT60 and hoping for less buzz or trying an exchange for another F8500. I'm guessing both will have similar buzzing though. It's a really tough decision as the picture is flat out fantastic and makes me smile everytime I turn it on....until my brain focuses on the bee swarm in the corner of the room.
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The buzzing is truly annoying if I'm sitting/standing directly in front of the set. I mean literally in front of it. At the angle I have it at, however, I'm rarely directly in front of it... And I rarely have the volume low enough for it to be a true issue for me. No audible buzzing at this angle whatsoever.
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Grant3d, I'm not sure how bad the buzzing is on your set, but I have the 65vt60 (that I'm thinking about exchanging for the f8500) and my set has loud fans at times and a good (or bad) amount of buzz to it. The fans are more noticeable when there is just dialogue and the buzz obviously on bright shots.
post #1783 of 5732
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

^ Plus in Canada, we get royally ripped off with higher prices anyway. An $800 discount for us, would probably put things in line with the US non-sale price lol.

We shouldn't really compare both in a monetary way.

so bang on. when i bought my f8500 i bought it through a friend and was given 'cost' pricing which was $1000 less than sticker price on the 64", when i compared that to the 'deals found' thread on the tv it was less than 50bux cheaper than you could buy in the states.

so... dealer cost in canada = normal sale price in US
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Originally Posted by liquidplatinum View Post

She just fits smile.gif Looks sweet. Did you make the mantel ? Looks custom made.

Our setup fits snug as well, over the fireplace is like the only spot when one is in the room I feel. That is a 80" here but the 90" will be up soon enough, there will be a 1/2" between the mantal and TV, 1/2" from the tv to ceiling smile.gif

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^ Needs more speakers.

Seriously, they look to be shopped in. Immense things. How on earth do you get WAF with those behemoths? eek.gifbiggrin.gif

Well at least you don't need drapes!
Edited by pieandchips - 9/30/13 at 9:33am
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Our setup fits snug as well, over the fireplace is like the only spot when one is in the room I feel. That is a 80" here but the 90" will be up soon enough, there will be a 1/2" between the mantal and TV, 1/2" from the tv to ceiling smile.gif
Dude. No offense, seriously but it pains me to see such high end equipment set up so poorly.
You really should get that tv down from the fireplace. Its sitting too high.
Why do you have that tiny center with those behemoth primaries? And why is it in the floor?
Do those primaries have enough room to breathe? They seem too close to the walls for speakers that are moving that much air and they should be farther apart too. What are you using to drive them? Are those multiple ribbon tweeters?
Edited by Bond 007 - 9/30/13 at 10:18am
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why is cleveland PLASMA rocking an LCD? for shame! frown.gif
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It is a temporary setup until the theater room is done. I like to lay down or slouch when watching tv, the angle of my head is perfect. If the TV was lower I would have to tilt my head down to watch it. To land a deal, I sold the mammoth center, it is about 12" X 12" X 36" long, Swan 2.3C. I am going to try a KEF T301C Center and mount it right under the Mantel, looked killer in white. The KEF is ultra thin and sound great. ( No where else to put the center as of this moment. ) The mains sound great where they are, they sing. 16 Ribbon Tweeters, 16 Dome Tweeters, 4 mids, and the 2 --15" subs are there as well on the side.

Sharp LC-80LE632U ( Needed a big TV, wish there was a 80" plasma for $4K, as we all do I am sure frown.gif )
Swan 2.3B
Onkyo PR SC5509 PrePro
Red Dragon Class D 1000 watt mono blocks ( front mains )
Emotiva XPA 3 Class A/B 200 watt X 3 ( Center, rears )
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Good deal Cleveland! smile.gif
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Hi,

 

I'm the new owner of a PN64F8500 which replaces my 2010 PN50B850. I must say this thread is HUGE, I hope it means there are a lot of satisfied F8500 owners out there ;) It's way too long to read start to finish but I /may/ try to get through it on my spare time. It's quite the task.

 

I'm very excited to have this TV and want to get it ISF calibrated as soon as possible. I'm hoping that Michael Chen will make his way to Thunder Bay, ON Canada this month as we have a lack of local options. So far I'm very impressed with the picture quality of this panel. To break it in I'm just going to be watching full screen TV and movies without any static images for too long, I don't see the point in using test slides for x ammount of hours. In the mean time, there are a couple small quirks I'm trying to figure out regarding the picture of  this TV but I will take some more time to troubleshoot and search through the forums before I post anything or jump to conclusions.

 

Warm regards,

 

Marc


Edited by MarcGSR - 10/2/13 at 7:52pm
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

************************ NEW AS OF 7-18-13 ************************


samsung is now offering the standard remote at no cost...

https://support-us.samsung.com/cyber/notice/remote/index.jsp

http://www.samsungsupport.com/remote

 

Does anyone know if this deal will be offered to Canadians?

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Most folks might not care about this, but for folks who dislike judder and like frame interpolation/creation, the F8500's appears to be buggy.

The Motion Judder Canceler in the F8500 seems to be very inconsistent. I send the set a constant 1080p 60Hz signal (produced by the Oppo 93 or Onkyo 5008). With MJC on Smooth, sometimes the motion is silky smooth (i.e. strong Soap Opera Effect), which is what I want, and sometimes the motion shows judder.

As I'm typing this, I'm watching the Oppo screensaver (Oppo logo slowly bouncing around the screen). Sometimes the motion is super smooth and sometimes, immediately after a bounce, it judders over the initial inches of movement after the bounce until the F8500 apparently syncs and smooths out the motion.

I thought that Samsung, having been in the LCD market for so long, would have pretty good SOE tech. Apparently, they're still lagging behind Sony by quite a bit. The Sony NEVER exhibited this alternation between smooth motion and judder with their version of MJC on Maximum. On the Sony, it was just smooth movement, with occasional haloing around objects when they move past complex backgrounds (eg. person walking past a chainlink fence), which the F8500 also does.

In fact, the Sammy's haloing is worse than the Sony's and includes occasional image breakup. With the Sony, the walking person was always clear. If they were walking past a fence or lots of bushes, they remained sharp and clear, but there would occasionally be a blurred halo around them as the complex background moved past. With the Sammy, the walking person's image occasionally breaks up.

It seems that Samsung's Intelligent Frame Creation/Interpolation algorithms aren't as intelligent or robust as Sony's. Sure hope they can improve this.

Unfortunately, testing this set with the Spears and Munsil BD shows that any other setting than MJC-Smooth results in a loss of clarity. If you have the SM disc, try the scene that looks like a park with trees and a pond. As the scene pans horizontally, look at the trees and leaves in the background. Any other setting either makes the trees a blurry or juddery mess.


Max
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Is there something else you can suggest to see the issue, I have read a number of professional reviews and seen this issue mentioned in many of them but I don't see any effects like you mention using a Panasonic Blu-Ray and movies like Star Trek into the Darkness and the other extreme for % of screen in motion was Cars in the close ups. I am not doubting you but I have not been able to see it so far.

I'll play with it some more this weekend, when all was said and done in my tune I have it off and things look very smooth to me, but I may not know how to look for it.
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Any other setting either makes the trees a blurry or juddery mess.

I am pretty certain this is an ongoing battle with FW updates to resolve the MJC bugs.
The FW my TV shipped with, MJC worked very well. It seems to have thrown a wobbly of late with the last batch of recent FW's.
Edited by pieandchips - 10/3/13 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by CamaroDrvr View Post

Is there something else you can suggest to see the issue, I have read a number of professional reviews and seen this issue mentioned in many of them but I don't see any effects like you mention using a Panasonic Blu-Ray and movies like Star Trek into the Darkness and the other extreme for % of screen in motion was Cars in the close ups. I am not doubting you but I have not been able to see it so far.

I'll play with it some more this weekend, when all was said and done in my tune I have it off and things look very smooth to me, but I may not know how to look for it.
Not too sure what other source material shows it as clearly.

To check the motion resolution anything with a slow pan that retains clarity when viewed frame by frame should work. Watch for differences in clarity while switching through the various settings. The Spears & Munsil BD has two scenes that work very well for this. One is the aforementioned scene, the other is a slow pan of the brickwork on the side of a building. Using anything other than Smooth makes the bricks too blurry to make out.

As for the odd occasional stutter/judder. It was there on my set out of the box. It disappeared with the previous FW update, and reappeared with 1111.4

The odd stutter seems to occur most often on a scene change. The motion seems to hitch/judder for a split second before the F8500 catches up and smooths things out. I believe this only happens with MJC On.


Max
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Not too sure what other source material shows it as clearly.

To check the motion resolution anything with a slow pan that retains clarity when viewed frame by frame should work. Watch for differences in clarity while switching through the various settings. The Spears & Munsil BD has two scenes that work very well for this. One is the aforementioned scene, the other is a slow pan of the brickwork on the side of a building. Using anything other than Smooth makes the bricks too blurry to make out.

As for the odd occasional stutter/judder. It was there on my set out of the box. It disappeared with the previous FW update, and reappeared with 1111.4

The odd stutter seems to occur most often on a scene change. The motion seems to hitch/judder for a split second before the F8500 catches up and smooths things out. I believe this only happens with MJC On.


Max

I have a scenic American Forests disc around somewhere, I have been looking for issues when a high percentage of the screen is in fast motion/change, with strong color changes like in a big explosion or like in Cars where they zoom in and nearly the entire screen is moving fast. I see no artifacts, rips, blocking, or judder under this settings no matter what it is set at, I ended up with it off figuring since it was fine off, might as well leave it off. I'll retry now looking for detail and focus in a scene like that.

My firmware is at 1112, came out of the box with it.

Thanks for the description of what you were watching.
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I'm pulling my hair out trying to get blurays to run smoothly. I have an oppo 103 directly connected to the 60f8500 via HDMI 3. I'm using avengers and oblivion for reference material and in very situation I'm finding tearing and blur.

As I Understand it, there's a defect in the way the f8500 handles 24p material due to a mismatching of frames 24 vs 23.97 etc.

Can anyone confirm this is still a problem? Are all TVs affected by this issue or a this just a plasma thing or a samsung thing or simply exclusive to this model.

Am I missing something critical? I'd love to smooth everything out with this dang bluray situation.

I just wish I could unsee the blur and put my head in the sand...
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All F8500 I have seen have motion issues, more with 24p but also present with 1080p60, with CinemaSmooth or without I see it. This is just what I see, others may not notice. I still kept this set because of the overall picture despite buzzing and motion mistakes. Samsung's tech that came to inspect said he sees motion problems too but he refused to document it.
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Originally Posted by DanBook Pro View Post

I'm pulling my hair out trying to get blurays to run smoothly. I have an oppo 103 directly connected to the 60f8500 via HDMI 3. I'm using avengers and oblivion for reference material and in very situation I'm finding tearing and blur.

As I Understand it, there's a defect in the way the f8500 handles 24p material due to a mismatching of frames 24 vs 23.97 etc.

Can anyone confirm this is still a problem? Are all TVs affected by this issue or a this just a plasma thing or a samsung thing or simply exclusive to this model.

Am I missing something critical? I'd love to smooth everything out with this dang bluray situation.

I just wish I could unsee the blur and put my head in the sand...
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MarcGSR View Post

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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

************************ NEW AS OF 7-18-13 ************************



samsung is now offering the standard remote at no cost...

https://support-us.samsung.com/cyber/notice/remote/index.jsp

http://www.samsungsupport.com/remote

Does anyone know if this deal will be offered to Canadians?

you might want to try,but as far as i know, it is U.S. only. tho its possible that has changed since july, im not sure. sorry i cant be of more help!
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Thread Starter 
i am still on FW update 1108 or whatever it is. probably going to hold off doing any more updates until they resolve that issue. i also do not use cinema smooth, never have, and dont seem to have any motion issues.

also a quick reminder there are sets out there with no buzz. thankfully i have one! 51". but i know what people are talking about as the E7000 i have for two months prior to the F8500 was most definitely a buzzer....
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