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Originally Posted by rflores5432 View Post

Buffin, Yes, after I hit enter, nothing happened but it wouldn't go back to the menue that is before that has the "N/D ADJ" and "source" options. The only way I could think to get back to that menu to be able to choose the "Source" option was to push the "return back" button on the remote (not the arrow left button) and it brought me back to the menu so I could select and change "Source" to "all". So I think what your saying is, after changing "N/D ADJ" to "on" you pressed enter and then the arrow down button and it then went to "Source" without out having to back out with the "return" button?

You don't have to go back to main menu after you select "N/D ADJ" and hit enter. Just scroll down one click and SOURCE just appears in place of "N/D ADJ." Either way works so its fine.
post #2492 of 5647
Ahhhh, gotcha.
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Anyone else observing better - more stable blacks with 1116? Something definitely seems different with this recent firmware update.
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Hi guys and gals,

I am considering returning Panasonic ZT60 and getting Samsung F8500 as the replacement.

I am planning to game on this set often. How is image retention on F8500?

It would be especially helpful if someone can compare image retention between ZT/VT and F8500.

On my ZT, I game for 2 hours, and I watch regular full screen content for about 2 hours in between, but I still experience image retention. It takes about 8 -12 hours of regular content watching to get rid of it.

Also, my stand is 35 inch wide.

Is it wide enough to hold this set securely?
Edited by SwiftSweeper - 12/21/13 at 2:27pm
post #2495 of 5647
We have the 60 and it has been running break in slides when we are not watching it. Very impressed with brightness and overall picture quality. Can't wait to get some hours on it so we can dial it in.
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post #2497 of 5647
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Originally Posted by SwiftSweeper View Post

Hi guys and gals,

I am considering returning Panasonic ZT60 and getting Samsung F8500 as the replacement.

I am planning to game on this set often. How is image retention on F8500?

It would be especially helpful if someone can compare image retention between ZT and F8500.

On my ZT, I game for 2 hours, and I watch regular full screen content for about 2 hours in between, but I still experience image retention. It takes about 8 -12 hours of regular content watching to get rid of it.

Also, my stand is 35 inch wide.

Is it wide enough to hold this set securely?

Image retention is completely a non issue on the F8500. The longest retention I ever saw lasted maybe 5 seconds on it.
I can't compare it to the the ZT60 but I used to have a Panasonic 65VT30 that was really bad. After 2 years I had to use my BB WARRANTY to exchange the set for having Cartoon Network burned in . I have to say I'm loving this F8500. Not sure about the stand but it may be an issue. I'll let someone else answer that one.
post #2498 of 5647
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Originally Posted by SwiftSweeper View Post

Hi guys and gals,

I am considering returning Panasonic ZT60 and getting Samsung F8500 as the replacement.

I am planning to game on this set often. How is image retention on F8500?

It would be especially helpful if someone can compare image retention between ZT/VT and F8500.

On my ZT, I game for 2 hours, and I watch regular full screen content for about 2 hours in between, but I still experience image retention. It takes about 8 -12 hours of regular content watching to get rid of it.

I ran slides for the first 150 hours before trying anything else, but image retention on this is pretty awesome. I don't yet know about uneven wear with this set yet (like watching ESPN as the majority of your viewing so those phosphors age differently where the logo is, etc.) so I can't say anything on that end, but as far as image retention goes, doesn't matter if you watch something for five minutes or five hours, you'll get IR... for like thirty seconds maximum. Then it's gone. Poof!

Haven't seen anything different with it, but I'm pretty careful with it to avoid overall uneven wear anyway. I have the 60" screen, by the way.

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Also, my stand is 35 inch wide.

Is it wide enough to hold this set securely?

What size screen are you getting? Even the 51" screen is about 47 inches across horizontally (when you factor in the sides and all that), and the base of the screen is the entire bottom so you'll need every inch of it. The 60" can just fit with a 55" stand, and the 65" needs a 60" stand.

So unfortunately, unless you plan to wall-mount it or your stand has a sturdy enough bracket mount, you're going to need a bigger stand. 35" would look a bit odd for a TV of this size anyway.
post #2499 of 5647
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Originally Posted by muffinmcfluffin View Post

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Originally Posted by SwiftSweeper View Post

Hi guys and gals,

I am considering returning Panasonic ZT60 and getting Samsung F8500 as the replacement.

I am planning to game on this set often. How is image retention on F8500?

It would be especially helpful if someone can compare image retention between ZT/VT and F8500.

On my ZT, I game for 2 hours, and I watch regular full screen content for about 2 hours in between, but I still experience image retention. It takes about 8 -12 hours of regular content watching to get rid of it.

I ran slides for the first 150 hours before trying anything else, but image retention on this is pretty awesome. I don't yet know about uneven wear with this set yet (like watching ESPN as the majority of your viewing so those phosphors age differently where the logo is, etc.) so I can't say anything on that end, but as far as image retention goes, doesn't matter if you watch something for five minutes or five hours, you'll get IR... for like thirty seconds maximum. Then it's gone. Poof!

Haven't seen anything different with it, but I'm pretty careful with it to avoid overall uneven wear anyway. I have the 60" screen, by the way.

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Also, my stand is 35 inch wide.

Is it wide enough to hold this set securely?

What size screen are you getting? Even the 51" screen is about 47 inches across horizontally (when you factor in the sides and all that), and the base of the screen is the entire bottom so you'll need every inch of it. The 60" can just fit with a 55" stand, and the 65" needs a 60" stand.

So unfortunately, unless you plan to wall-mount it or your stand has a sturdy enough bracket mount, you're going to need a bigger stand. 35" would look a bit odd for a TV of this size anyway.

Thanks for the responses. smile.gif My stand is rated up to 200 lbs. I used it to hold a 200 lbs 34 inch CRT for years. The front of the stand is 40 inch wide, but it is narrower toward the back of the stand. My 65 inch ZT60 looks great on my smaller stand because ZT60's supplied stand is only 23 inches wide. If I decide to get F8500, it will be 65 inch version. Unfortunately, I would have to rearrange my furniture to accommodate a 60 inch wide stand. I was hoping that I can at least use my old stand as a stop gap solution. I am not sure that Samsung was thinking with its stand design for F8500. Sure it looks slick, but it does not seem very practical for people like me who already have narrower stands.
post #2500 of 5647
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Originally Posted by SwiftSweeper View Post

Thanks for the responses. smile.gif My stand is rated up to 200 lbs. I used it to hold a 200 lbs 34 inch CRT for years. The front of the stand is 40 inch wide, but it is narrower toward the back of the stand. My 65 inch ZT60 looks great on my smaller stand because ZT60's supplied stand is only 23 inches wide. If I decide to get F8500, it will be 65 inch version. Unfortunately, I would have to rearrange my furniture to accommodate a 60 inch wide stand. I was hoping that I can at least use my old stand as a stop gap solution. I am not sure that Samsung was thinking with its stand design for F8500. Sure it looks slick, but it does not seem very practical for people like me who already have narrower stands.

That's too bad I guess. That stand definitely won't work for the 65" screen. And as I said, even if it did, it would look hilarious.
post #2501 of 5647
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Originally Posted by SwiftSweeper View Post

Hi guys and gals,

I am considering returning Panasonic ZT60 and getting Samsung F8500 as the replacement.

I am planning to game on this set often. How is image retention on F8500?

It would be especially helpful if someone can compare image retention between ZT/VT and F8500.

On my ZT, I game for 2 hours, and I watch regular full screen content for about 2 hours in between, but I still experience image retention. It takes about 8 -12 hours of regular content watching to get rid of it.

Also, my stand is 35 inch wide.

Is it wide enough to hold this set securely?

I have mine hooked to an HTPC and will have Win7 desktop or the fixed part of the browser frame on their easily for two hours and so far have had no IR issues, I did wait until I had 300 hours on the screen and generally keep it Relax if I know it will be on for a long time, otherwise it is in CAL-Day. I don't use a game console so can't speak to lag on games, there is no lag issue using it with a PC.

If you are getting the 64" then a 35" stand will not work at all, the stand is 59" wide and all of the weight sits on the last 2-3 inches of each side.
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Originally Posted by caeguy View Post

Anyone else observing better - more stable blacks with 1116? Something definitely seems different with this recent firmware update.

Not only more stable blacks, but overall better blacks. And to me the picture quality has been highly improved with this update. I installed it on Thursday night and have been in awe of the picture quality on my tv. Samsung did something with this update to really improve the picture and it's great.
post #2503 of 5647
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Originally Posted by mark_b View Post

Not only more stable blacks, but overall better blacks. And to me the picture quality has been highly improved with this update. I installed it on Thursday night and have been in awe of the picture quality on my tv. Samsung did something with this update to really improve the picture and it's great.

Lucky you. I'm trying to get by putting Digital Clean View on Low just to get rid of most of the fuzz, and it's softening the picture on football games way too much.

Even if I put it back on, the image is still softer than in general. Not good. I'm happy for you guys who have a better picture now, but hot damn I wish it was the same for me.
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Which "push-button" remote is required to use with the PN64F8500? The "swipe remote" isn't going to be very practical for a "physically challenged" individual and the "speech recognition" of no value either. Part number would help so I could attempt a buy before the arrival of the F8500. I believe originally there was a "push-button" supplied either with the buy or maybe the first run didn't have the "swipe remote" and it was provided to owners later.

I asked a question yesterday regarding the stand and I've seen no responses for that either. Could you take a look maybe and try to help.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1506877/pn64f8500-stand-information

It would be appreciated.

*** Also how is the 64" packaged in the box? Is the stand attached and can it rest in the end bottom supports so that the stand can be removed and the brackets for the "wall mount" attached easily? My 58" C8000 was very easy to work with.
Edited by WVZR1 - 12/22/13 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by CamaroDrvr View Post

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Originally Posted by SwiftSweeper View Post

Hi guys and gals,

I am considering returning Panasonic ZT60 and getting Samsung F8500 as the replacement.

I am planning to game on this set often. How is image retention on F8500?

It would be especially helpful if someone can compare image retention between ZT/VT and F8500.

On my ZT, I game for 2 hours, and I watch regular full screen content for about 2 hours in between, but I still experience image retention. It takes about 8 -12 hours of regular content watching to get rid of it.

Also, my stand is 35 inch wide.

Is it wide enough to hold this set securely?

I have mine hooked to an HTPC and will have Win7 desktop or the fixed part of the browser frame on their easily for two hours and so far have had no IR issues, I did wait until I had 300 hours on the screen and generally keep it Relax if I know it will be on for a long time, otherwise it is in CAL-Day. I don't use a game console so can't speak to lag on games, there is no lag issue using it with a PC.

If you are getting the 64" then a 35" stand will not work at all, the stand is 59" wide and all of the weight sits on the last 2-3 inches of each side.

Thank you for the reply. It is disappointing to hear that my stand will not work at all.

Hight input lag was one of the main reasons I ruled out F8500 initially.

Did Panasonic address input lag with a firmware update, or did you find a way to reduce input lag through settings?

If someone, who plays games on this set, chimes in on the lag for games, it would be great.

Do you get not image retention at all after you have had static content on the screen for 2 hours, or do you still get image retention after you have had static content on the screen for 2 hours, but it clears out quickly?

How fast does image retention clear out if it is the latter of the two?
post #2506 of 5647
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Originally Posted by mark_b View Post

Not only more stable blacks, but overall better blacks. And to me the picture quality has been highly improved with this update. I installed it on Thursday night and have been in awe of the picture quality on my tv. Samsung did something with this update to really improve the picture and it's great.

1116.1 went in without a hitch and am enjoying a better picture. Overall, my "not bright enough issues" which I thought I had resolved before the update with a careful Spears & Munsill calibration is now fully resolved. Movie now has probably 90-95% luminance of Standard while retaining the smoother and richer tonal gradations that make it IMO the mode that offers the best image this set has to offer.
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Originally Posted by SwiftSweeper View Post

Thank you for the reply. It is disappointing to hear that my stand will not work at all.

Hight input lag was one of the main reasons I ruled out F8500 initially.

Did Panasonic address input lag with a firmware update, or did you find a way to reduce input lag through settings?

If someone, who plays games on this set, chimes in on the lag for games, it would be great.

Do you get not image retention at all after you have had static content on the screen for 2 hours, or do you still get image retention after you have had static content on the screen for 2 hours, but it clears out quickly?

How fast does image retention clear out if it is the latter of the two?

Yes, I know the feeling on the stand, I was lucky and had the materials handy to make a new top shelf, the old one was about the same width as yours, perfect for the pani but it was 5' wide on the next shelf down so I just used it for a template. I suspect in most cases it will mean a new stand, although you could screw a 5 foot board on top of your 35" one but it will likely look funky, I removed the old top shelf and put the new wider one on.

Can't speak to games.

As for IR if there is any I have no noticed it and will go from the PC screen to TV and back and never have seen anything and I was looking pretty hard in the first few weeks, now I don't really think about it at all.
post #2508 of 5647
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Originally Posted by WVZR1 View Post

Which "push-button" remote is required to use with the PN64F8500? The "swipe remote" isn't going to be very practical for a "physically challenged" individual and the "speech recognition" of no value either. Part number would help so I could attempt a buy before the arrival of the F8500. I believe originally there was a "push-button" supplied either with the buy or maybe the first run didn't have the "swipe remote" and it was provided to owners later.

I asked a question yesterday regarding the stand and I've seen no responses for that either. Could you take a look maybe and try to help.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1506877/pn64f8500-stand-information

It would be appreciated.

*** Also how is the 64" packaged in the box? Is the stand attached and can it rest in the end bottom supports so that the stand can be removed and the brackets for the "wall mount" attached easily? My 58" C8000 was very easy to work with.

The stand does not come installed, so you can unbox and screw the wall mount right on.
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Originally Posted by CamaroDrvr View Post

The stand does not come installed, so you can unbox and screw the wall mount right on.

Thank you!

So it would "free stand" in the box bottom in the packaging for a "power up" or if the temperature was extremely low it could be inspected for physical damage while the delivery people are present? At what temperature would you consider a physical inspection and no "power up" on delivery? My C8000 was quite easily inspected, just remove box top, 3 Styrofoam top blocks, the sleeve and "power up" while standing in bottom shipping blocks. I can expect maybe similar?
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I game on the 8500 all the time. PS3 & Xbox 360. Do the "Game" input setting while simultaneously using "Game Mode" setting in the options & it's great. I can't tell the difference between it & my old Panny plasma. You will be happy with the gaming. I'd guess it's right around the top tier of lcd/plasmas in regards to low input lag for gaming now with the latest firmware update.

The reason I do this over the PC input method is you get access to more options in the picture menu & subsequently much better image quality.

One trick I also do is use a cord for the controller. This cuts a tiny bit of input lag also.
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Originally Posted by WVZR1 View Post

Thank you!

So it would "free stand" in the box bottom in the packaging for a "power up" or if the temperature was extremely low it could be inspected for physical damage while the delivery people are present? At what temperature would you consider a physical inspection and no "power up" on delivery? My C8000 was quite easily inspected, just remove box top, 3 Styrofoam top blocks, the sleeve and "power up" while standing in bottom shipping blocks. I can expect maybe similar?

A tad more complex question. Now I have not tried this so it is my guestimation that this should be no issue. The top of the box is full height, floor to top, the bottom is just about a foot -18" deep, then all you will need to do is pull the top off, cut the plastic bag away or get the guys to lift it enough to remove it. (Do not test it even a short time in the plastic bag) I do think someone will have to hold it steady even in the foam base.

As for the very cold to a test, I make it a habit to give anything electronic time to acclimate to indoor temps before turning it on to prevent condensation, I have no ideal how to deal with the "very cold" issue, the manual says the operating temp is 50F (10C) to 104F (40C) and I would not be too worried down to say freezing, 32F/0C but under that and I would be worried about the plasma and potential shorts in the high voltage section as condensation will form nearly instantly. I run a little paranoid on these things but I suspect you have no option the delivery people will not wait until it is warmed up to factory spec (50F) unless you arrange it and chances are it will survive a quick power on test, if it fries the delivery guys are right there to take it back. Once you see the picture I would then unplug as soon as possible and let it come up to temp. If the TV is below zero (what I call really cold) I personally would not fire it up.

I had a bit of a hassle with my delivery guys, I live in Jersey where service people are required by state law to be rude and regular citizens are strongly encouraged to do so also, heck of a culture shock from California where I moved from where "Have a Nice Day" and the smiley face was coined smile.gif In any event like all delivery people their only goal is to leave ASAP and without the TV, so they have no interest in the check out and tried to pressure me to sign for it before the inspection, I told them, guys you have a very easy choice, set it up for the test or take it with you. Little muffled swearing and they unboxed it and let me test it. I had full screen all Black / White / Red / Green / and Blue slides to look for dead or stuck pixels, this is the only get out of jail free card on bad pixels you get.

If you test it and the set was below zero please post your experience here, I would think the plasma might act weird if you get cold enough, should be fun finding out.

Two other tips, go to Samsung and D/L the manual before the set arrives and review it enough so you can quickly navigate to your slides in the USB port, they are only obligated to let you test it with the HDMI cable to your STB. I just slipped the memory stick in while they were still setting it up.
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Originally Posted by WVZR1 View Post

Which "push-button" remote is required to use with the PN64F8500? The "swipe remote" isn't going to be very practical for a "physically challenged" individual and the "speech recognition" of no value either. Part number would help so I could attempt a buy before the arrival of the F8500. I believe originally there was a "push-button" supplied either with the buy or maybe the first run didn't have the "swipe remote" and it was provided to owners later.

http://www.electronicadventure.us/ Remote Model # AA59-00784C - Watch the `Why buy from us' video for a Discount Code at the end.
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Thanks "CamaroDrvr" and "p5browne" - I believe if it's very cold I can just note that on the delivery receipt and maybe be covered for any issues. I don't believe I want to be the "tester" for the "power-up" under anything but maybe the recommended service temperatures. Noting the temp at time of delivery might be sufficient to argue that after the fact. If there's no physical damage I don't believe I can refuse the deliver and it was suggested NOT to.
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Originally Posted by SwiftSweeper View Post

Thank you for the reply. It is disappointing to hear that my stand will not work at all.
You can still try and see how stable it is. Wall mount the TV behind and above the stand for $50 ......
post #2515 of 5647
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Originally Posted by mark_b View Post

Not only more stable blacks, but overall better blacks. And to me the picture quality has been highly improved with this update. I installed it on Thursday night and have been in awe of the picture quality on my tv. Samsung did something with this update to really improve the picture and it's great.


And now I want to replace my 500m Kuro smile.gif

I was already impressed with the set at the shootout, so if it's closed in on the miniscule difference between the VT60 in mll, I'm just about sold.

Have to wait to see what 2014 H series brings, though. I'm guessing cheaper prices all around
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Just received my 64 inch F8500 today and am having an issue getting the panel attached to the stand. The vertical brackets screwed in fine to the stand but upon putting the panel onto the vertical brackets (and it sliding down onto them), I cannot get the remaining screws (the ones that secure the panel to the vertical brackets) to grab hold. Has anyone else encountered this situation? Thanks!
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Thank you for the info guys smile.gif My return window expires tomorrow. I am going to sleep on it. At this point, I am leaning towards keeping ZT60 though.
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I was looking for this at Frys which for some reason they did not carry. My concern besides the energy used was the heat generated for this model. I'ts going to be in a den so heat might be a factor to consider.
I will say that the model below this felt like I was being radiated by the screen and sides. Is the 51 8500 like that?
post #2519 of 5647
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Originally Posted by levik1832 View Post

Just received my 64 inch F8500 today and am having an issue getting the panel attached to the stand. The vertical brackets screwed in fine to the stand but upon putting the panel onto the vertical brackets (and it sliding down onto them), I cannot get the remaining screws (the ones that secure the panel to the vertical brackets) to grab hold. Has anyone else encountered this situation? Thanks!

Make sure you install the brackets on the proper sides, sounds like you put them on reversed...

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Yeah, that's what it was. Face palm'd myself on this one. Thanks for your help! smile.gif
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